This hasn't yet been approved, but is in the meeting agenda for the highway commission meeting on Monday, March 10 (http://www.odot.org/tcomm/agendas14/tc_agenda-20140310-r-special.pdf) (thanks to okroads for the tip-off via Facebook). SH-351 will be designated along the Muskogee Turnpike (including an overlap with SH-165), and SH-364 along the Creek Turnpike.
I am not sure if these are intended as inventory designations or if they will be actually signed, but I would imagine they are meant to be signed, since there would be little need for them as inventory designations, since they are maintained separately from the other state highways.
It will be interesting to see if these are followed up with other 3xx designations for the other turnpikes. These seem to be prefixing 3 onto the number of one of the highways the turnpikes intersect. Some sensible and as of yet fictitious designations for the other turnpikes that fit the pattern would be: SH-374 for the Kilpatrick, SH-376 for the H.E. Bailey Spur, SH-343 for the Indian Nation, SH-301 for the Chickasaw (which would hopefully continue west over SH-7 Spur). SH-325 would become a bit of an oddity in this scenario.
I heard that they're going to build a new interchange at SH 351 and SH 16 and designate a new SH 351A from that interchange to Okay.
I thought it was odd that they were giving numbers to the Creek and Muskogee and not turnpikes like the Indian Nation and the Kilpatrick.
Same here. Maybe we can look forward to that in April. (Perhaps OTA doesn't wish to overburden itself with the changes).
Any word on Indian Nation? Maybe an OK x75?
I can't see 351 overlapping 165: that's just plain silly IMO
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Quote from: US71 on March 07, 2014, 09:53:25 PM
I can't see 351 overlapping 165: that's just plain silly IMO
It wouldn't be silly for 351 to be discontinuous?
Get rid of the part of 165 on the overlap, duh.
Quote from: US71 on March 07, 2014, 09:53:25 PM
I can't see 351 overlapping 165: that's just plain silly IMO
But that's how it's defined:
QuoteAdd SH-351 designation on the North portion of Muskogee Turnpike, between SH 51 in Broken Arrow and SH-165 at the Port of Muskogee exit of Harris Road, and on SH-165, between the North portion of Muskogee Turnpike at the Port of Muskogee exit of Harris Road and the South portion of Muskogee Turnpike in Muskogee and on the South portion of Muskogee Turnpike between the SH-165 in Muskogee and I-40 in Muskogee County.
Any word on whether the new numbers were accepted? There is no OK 364 signage along the Creek Turnpike as of 4 hours ago.
ODOT has not yet posted the meeting minutes to their site.
Even if it were approved Monday, it is somewhat unrealistic to think signage should be posted by now. I imagine a work order would have to be written and signs fabricated, which could take a couple of months, perhaps longer if ODOT/OTA contracts the signage out. I-49 in Missouri wasn't signed until six months after being approved by AASHTO, and that was an important project involving long term planning by the DOT and congressional involvement. I would imagine something like SH-364 could potentially take that long, if not longer, due to a lower level of emphasis by the powers that be.
Minutes finally posted: SH-351 and SH-364 were indeed commissioned on March 10. (http://www.odot.org/tcomm/minutes14/tc_minutes-20140310.pdf)
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 26, 2014, 10:25:03 PM
Minutes finally posted: SH-351 and SH-364 were indeed commissioned on March 10. (http://www.odot.org/tcomm/minutes14/tc_minutes-20140310.pdf)
Keep reading down for a good summation of the Nance bridge problems
As of April 12 there are no OK 364 signs from 31st Street to US 412.
Didn't you say you saw at least one 351 or 364 somewhere? If so, do you think you could get a picture?
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 14, 2014, 02:55:22 AM
Didn't you say you saw at least one 351 or 364 somewhere? If so, do you think you could get a picture?
You were acting like a jackass in the chat that night so I decided to troll you. There are no OK 364 signs at the east end of the turnpike. I'll get a picture as soon as they go up.
I apologize for not recognizing it as such. It wasn't up to your usual standard...
Has anybody heard anything new? The Creek is still unsigned at its eastern end.
Haven't been up to Tulsa in almost a year. I've been keeping an eye on the agendas though, and so far no other designations have come through.
I drove the Creek 2 weeks ago and it is not signed . What is my toll money paying for?
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Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on May 24, 2014, 10:03:23 PM
I drove the Creek 2 weeks ago and it is not signed . What is my toll money paying for?
Any Chance you got a new shot of that hideous signage at 169?
I was on the Creek about 4 hours ago and still no signs. I expect this to either be an unsigned highway or for the signs to be posted when they are replaced.
Unfortunately not, by the time I got there it was raining and dusk, a pair my camera doesn't like. I'm looking forward to getting a better camera this year for my roadgeek adventures
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The signage on I-244 is worse than the signage at Creek/64/169/Memorial.
Jeremy: Maybe we should make a Google map with pins showing off the location of Oklahoma signage atrocities. People visiting the state could go on a crappy signage tour.
I asked about the signage on the Creek at 169 because my photo of said signage was accidentally destroyed.
I just got home from driving the entire length of the Muskogee Turnpike in both directions and there are no OK 351 signs along it.
Quote from: bugo on May 27, 2014, 03:10:19 PM
I just got home from driving the entire length of the Muskogee Turnpike in both directions and there are no OK 351 signs along it.
Aw, you know they were there, but hidden in the tall grass :)
Signing plans are now online on the OTA website: https://www.pikepass.com/pdf/SP-54%20Plan.pdf (https://www.pikepass.com/pdf/SP-54%20Plan.pdf).
Be forewarned, the signs look to be of the usual OTA quality design, but for those who are fans of FHWA Series "C", you just might enjoy them!
It looks like the Creek and Muskogee turnpike shields will be completely retired and replaced by SH-351/SH-364 shields. These are actually Series B, which is part of the standard for three-digit state routes. There are a couple of instances of SH-51 shields in this document that are diagrammed to three-digit width, complete with Series B font.
The Series "C" I was referring to is on some new BGSs in the plan set. I don't know why OTA likes narrow fonts (look at the signage on the Will Rogers Tpk.), but it looks awful. Like much of their signage.
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Since the new standard for Turnpike signs is purple, I wonder what OTA's excuse is for still creating yellow signs.
Interesting that there's no Clearview...
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 29, 2014, 03:29:35 PM
Interesting that there's no Clearview...
They must have gotten the FHWA memo regarding the plan to revoke interim approval of Clearview.
It also means that the butt-ugly sign for the Creek Turnpike near the 169/Creek split will be replaced. Unfortunately, I lost my photo of that sign. Could someone in Tulsa get a new "before" picture (and an "after" to verify that the new sign is actually an improvment)
Quote from: route56 on August 30, 2014, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 29, 2014, 03:29:35 PM
Interesting that there's no Clearview...
They must have gotten the FHWA memo regarding the plan to revoke interim approval of Clearview.
It also means that the butt-ugly sign for the Creek Turnpike near the 169/Creek split will be replaced. Unfortunately, I lost my photo of that sign. Could someone in Tulsa get a new "before" picture (and an "after" to verify that the new sign is actually an improvment)
I think somebody has a picture of it. If not, I can get one.
Quote from: bugo on August 31, 2014, 07:40:37 AM
I think somebody has a picture of it. If not, I can get one.
There was a thread in the Road Related Illustrations forum it seems for the sign in question, but following it back to a post in the Worst of Road Signs thread only turns up a blank image.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8913.0
(Keep following the quotes and you should arrive at Scott5114's post where the image
should be)
Quote from: Zeffy on August 31, 2014, 08:54:23 AM
Quote from: bugo on August 31, 2014, 07:40:37 AM
I think somebody has a picture of it. If not, I can get one.
There was a thread in the Road Related Illustrations forum it seems for the sign in question, but following it back to a post in the Worst of Road Signs thread only turns up a blank image.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8913.0
(Keep following the quotes and you should arrive at Scott5114's post where the image should be)
The picture you are referring to is from my photoset. The image link is dead because I have moved my photos from route56.com to Flickr.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5470/9168487959_f1a3f73242.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/eYbU3B)
45781 (https://flic.kr/p/eYbU3B) by richiekennedy56 (https://www.flickr.com/people/39506502@N04/), on Flickr
There was a second guide sign, located just downstream of this gantry. I got a pic of that one; however, it
is irretrievably lost.
(The loss of that picture is partially what led me to move my photos to flickr.)
I don't think these are going to be replaced, actually. Looking at the sign plan, while the sign with this legend looks totally different (it is in EM with much better kerning and such), it is grayed out and only the SH-364 shield is highlighted, with the text "New Placard". I think the Creek Turnpike shield is just going to be patched over with a SH-364 shield.
OK 364 is now signed on US 412 eastbound. No signs on the WB Creek mainline yet. I'll get pics ASAP.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5595/15188660815_1f320aa30b_c.jpg)
Taken less than an hour ago.
Quote from: bugo on September 09, 2014, 08:58:24 AM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5595/15188660815_1f320aa30b_c.jpg)
Taken less than an hour ago.
WIN for first sighting, but the overall sign with the different size fonts is ugly
That sign may be goofy looking, but it's still better looking than any Clearview sign.
With that size font, they could have put "Oklahoma" instead of "Okla"
Quote from: bugo on September 09, 2014, 09:32:13 AM
That sign may be goofy looking, but it's still better looking than any Clearview sign.
Yeah, I second this notion. Though I'm really unsure how someone could mess up the scaling that bad on something like GuidSIGN or SignCAD...
Quote from: Zeffy on September 09, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
Though I'm really unsure how someone could mess up the scaling that bad on something like GuidSIGN or SignCAD...
OTA + Local Contractors = Amateur Hour :banghead:
Along Creek Turnpike/US 64/US 169/OK 364 looking due east:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5580/15195336785_66981e0685_c.jpg)
Creek Turnpike/OK 364 eastbound C/D lanes at Muskogee Turnpike/OK 351 cloverleaf:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5591/15008672520_1bcd668a0e_c.jpg)
The signs along the mainline haven't been changed but the signs on Yale Avenue pointing towards the turnpike are OK 364 meat cleavers.
More OK 364 goodness:
I-44/US 412 eastbound:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3835/15016745247_e7dda71892_c.jpg)
US 412 eastbound:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3840/15016747657_3e4aa5acda_c.jpg)
Creek Turnpike just south of 11th Street:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3879/15016749678_de9bc1a85e_c.jpg)
Quote from: bugo on September 09, 2014, 09:32:13 AM
That sign may be goofy looking, but it's still better looking than any Clearview sign.
I'll disagree.
Quote from: Stratuscaster on September 10, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
Quote from: bugo on September 09, 2014, 09:32:13 AM
That sign may be goofy looking, but it's still better looking than any Clearview sign.
I'll disagree.
X gets the square...
I guess the OK-351 signs are now posted as well?
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 16, 2014, 07:19:07 PM
I guess the OK-351 signs are now posted as well?
I've not had time to look.
Stephanie: Look at the pictures.
Quote from: bugo on September 16, 2014, 08:44:24 PM
Stephanie: Look at the pictures.
I saw it. I can't wait to see more photos. :)
Now, I could almost go into fictionnal highways territory, but I could imagine the Norman spur being OK-344 and Kilpatrick as OK-340. ;)
The Norman spur could simply be an OK-4 extension.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 18, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
The Norman spur could simply be an OK-4 extension.
OK-4F?
/Yes, it's a joke.
Quote from: US71 on September 16, 2014, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 16, 2014, 07:19:07 PM
I guess the OK-351 signs are now posted as well?
I've not had time to look.
They are up. I went through there a couple weeks ago.
I got to noticing and by looking at the backs of the signs, instead of the OTA removing the Creek Turnpike shields and replacing them with OK 364 shields, they just put the OK 364 shields on top of the Creek Turnpike shields, leaving the old shields behind but hidden. I wonder if this whole OK 351/364 bullshit is an experiment and they left the old signs up in case it fails?
Either that or OTA is demented.
Quote from: bugo on January 26, 2015, 09:42:52 PM
I got to noticing and by looking at the backs of the signs, instead of the OTA removing the Creek Turnpike shields and replacing them with OK 364 shields, they just put the OK 364 shields on top of the Creek Turnpike shields, leaving the old shields behind but hidden. I wonder if this whole OK 351/364 bullshit is an experiment and they left the old signs up in case it fails?
When ODOT finally replaced the circle signs for OK 9 at 271 at Pocola, they simply covered the old signs with the "meat cleavers", so you see parts of the old signs showing through.
Quote from: US71 on January 27, 2015, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: bugo on January 26, 2015, 09:42:52 PM
I got to noticing and by looking at the backs of the signs, instead of the OTA removing the Creek Turnpike shields and replacing them with OK 364 shields, they just put the OK 364 shields on top of the Creek Turnpike shields, leaving the old shields behind but hidden. I wonder if this whole OK 351/364 bullshit is an experiment and they left the old signs up in case it fails?
When ODOT finally replaced the circle signs for OK 9 at 271 at Pocola, they simply covered the old signs with the "meat cleavers", so you see parts of the old signs showing through.
That's on a green guide sign. The markers I'm referring to are standalone JCT OK 364 signs and the signs with the arrows.
There's a NORTH OK 165/WEST OK 351 assembly where the turnpike ends on the south side of Muskogee going westbound close to the 165 merge.