New OK designations: SH-351 and SH-364

[Scott5114]

This hasn't yet been approved, but is in the meeting agenda for the highway commission meeting on Monday, March 10 (thanks to okroads for the tip-off via Facebook). SH-351 will be designated along the Muskogee Turnpike (including an overlap with SH-165), and SH-364 along the Creek Turnpike.

I am not sure if these are intended as inventory designations or if they will be actually signed, but I would imagine they are meant to be signed, since there would be little need for them as inventory designations, since they are maintained separately from the other state highways.

It will be interesting to see if these are followed up with other 3xx designations for the other turnpikes. These seem to be prefixing 3 onto the number of one of the highways the turnpikes intersect. Some sensible and as of yet fictitious designations for the other turnpikes that fit the pattern would be: SH-374 for the Kilpatrick, SH-376 for the H.E. Bailey Spur, SH-343 for the Indian Nation, SH-301 for the Chickasaw (which would hopefully continue west over SH-7 Spur). SH-325 would become a bit of an oddity in this scenario.

[NE2]

I heard that they're going to build a new interchange at SH 351 and SH 16 and designate a new SH 351A from that interchange to Okay.

[bugo]

I thought it was odd that they were giving numbers to the Creek and Muskogee and not turnpikes like the Indian Nation and the Kilpatrick.

[Scott5114]

Same here. Maybe we can look forward to that in April. (Perhaps OTA doesn't wish to overburden itself with the changes).

[US71]

Any word on Indian Nation? Maybe an OK x75?
I can't see 351 overlapping 165: that's just plain silly IMO

MB886

[bugo]

I can't see 351 overlapping 165: that's just plain silly IMO

It wouldn't be silly for 351 to be discontinuous?

[NE2]

Get rid of the part of 165 on the overlap, duh.

[Scott5114]

I can't see 351 overlapping 165: that's just plain silly IMO

But that's how it's defined:

Add SH-351 designation on the North portion of Muskogee Turnpike, between SH 51 in Broken Arrow and SH-165 at the Port of Muskogee exit of Harris Road, and on SH-165, between the North portion of Muskogee Turnpike at the Port of Muskogee exit of Harris Road and the South portion of Muskogee Turnpike in Muskogee and on the South portion of Muskogee Turnpike between the SH-165 in Muskogee and I-40 in Muskogee County.

[bugo]

Any word on whether the new numbers were accepted?  There is no OK 364 signage along the Creek Turnpike as of 4 hours ago.

[Scott5114]

ODOT has not yet posted the meeting minutes to their site.

Even if it were approved Monday, it is somewhat unrealistic to think signage should be posted by now. I imagine a work order would have to be written and signs fabricated, which could take a couple of months, perhaps longer if ODOT/OTA contracts the signage out. I-49 in Missouri wasn't signed until six months after being approved by AASHTO, and that was an important project involving long term planning by the DOT and congressional involvement. I would imagine something like SH-364 could potentially take that long, if not longer, due to a lower level of emphasis by the powers that be.

[Scott5114]

Minutes finally posted: SH-351 and SH-364 were indeed commissioned on March 10.

[rte66man]

Minutes finally posted: SH-351 and SH-364 were indeed commissioned on March 10.

Keep reading down for a good summation of the Nance bridge problems

[bugo]

As of April 12 there are no OK 364 signs from 31st Street to US 412. 

[Scott5114]

Didn't you say you saw at least one 351 or 364 somewhere? If so, do you think you could get a picture?

[bugo]

Didn't you say you saw at least one 351 or 364 somewhere? If so, do you think you could get a picture?

You were acting like a jackass in the chat that night so I decided to troll you.  There are no OK 364 signs at the east end of the turnpike.  I'll get a picture as soon as they go up.

[Scott5114]

I apologize for not recognizing it as such. It wasn't up to your usual standard...

[bugo]

Has anybody heard anything new?  The Creek is still unsigned at its eastern end.

[Scott5114]

Haven't been up to Tulsa in almost a year. I've been keeping an eye on the agendas though, and so far no other designations have come through.

[Arkansastravelguy]

I drove the Creek 2 weeks ago and it is not signed . What is my toll money paying for?


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[route56]

I drove the Creek 2 weeks ago and it is not signed . What is my toll money paying for?

Any Chance you got a new shot of that hideous signage at 169?

[bugo]

I was on the Creek about 4 hours ago and still no signs.  I expect this to either be an unsigned highway or for the signs to be posted when they are replaced.

[Arkansastravelguy]

Unfortunately not, by the time I got there it was raining and dusk, a pair my camera doesn't like. I'm looking forward to getting a better camera this year for my roadgeek adventures


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[bugo]

The signage on I-244 is worse than the signage at Creek/64/169/Memorial.

[Scott5114]

Jeremy: Maybe we should make a Google map with pins showing off the location of Oklahoma signage atrocities. People visiting the state could go on a crappy signage tour.

[route56]

I asked about the signage on the Creek at 169 because my photo of said signage was accidentally destroyed.