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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2015, 09:51:19 AM »

Would this constitute the longest 3di/3di overlap in the interstate system?
Given there is only one (and a future one with 785/840 at Greensboro?) - 271 and 480 in Cleveland, then absolutely it will.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2015, 12:33:36 AM »

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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2015, 11:43:08 PM »

Natcher Parkway included in this bill:

http://www.14news.com/story/30665057/ky-lawmakers-move-forward-with-road-improvement-bill

Indeed ... here's a copy of the bill, which was signed into law by the president on Friday:

http://transportation.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fastact_xml.pdf

See Section 1416(d) regarding the I-65/66 Spur:

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(d) FUTURE INTERSTATE DESIGNATION.—Section 119(a) of the SAFETEA–LU Technical Corrections Act of 2008 (122 Stat. 1608) is amended by striking ‘‘and, as a future Interstate Route 66 Spur, the Natcher Parkway in Owensboro, Kentucky’’ and inserting ‘‘between Henderson, Kentucky, and Owensboro, Kentucky, and, as a future Interstate Route 65 and 66 Spur, the William H. Natcher Parkway between Bowling Green, Kentucky, and Owensboro, Kentucky’’.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2016, 12:58:27 PM »

The Projects List of the 2016 Recommended Highway Plan (p. 30/119 of pdf) indicates that "I-565" is the preferred designation for the I-65 Spur, with construction scheduled for 2018 and 2020:





It's interesting that the I-65 spur designation would be added to the I-66 spur designation, instead of having the I-65 spur designation replace the I-66 spur designation.  I guess they want to keep the I-66 dream alive.
... here's a copy of the bill, which was signed into law by the president on Friday:
http://transportation.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fastact_xml.pdf
See Section 1416(d) regarding the I-65/66 Spur:
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(d) FUTURE INTERSTATE DESIGNATION.—Section 119(a) of the SAFETEA–LU Technical Corrections Act of 2008 (122 Stat. 1608) is amended by striking ‘‘and, as a future Interstate Route 66 Spur, the Natcher Parkway in Owensboro, Kentucky’’ and inserting ‘‘between Henderson, Kentucky, and Owensboro, Kentucky, and, as a future Interstate Route 65 and 66 Spur, the William H. Natcher Parkway between Bowling Green, Kentucky, and Owensboro, Kentucky’’.

However, as far as I can tell, there is no indication of a "secret" preferred I-x66 spur designation, too .....................
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2016, 04:27:08 PM »

Interstate 565? I would have prefered the Interstate 165 designation for the William Natcher Parkway.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2016, 02:06:09 PM »

Interstate 565? I would have prefered the Interstate 165 designation for the William Natcher Parkway.

I agree. I-165 would fit with I-265 at Louisville. I-565 doesn't fit with anything.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2016, 09:14:32 PM »

Interstate 565? I would have prefered the Interstate 165 designation for the William Natcher Parkway.

I would go with I-365 over I-565.  If Kentucky is one of those states that doesn't want to use I-1xx, starting with an I-365 would still allow a decent numerical sequence for any future numbers for the Cumberland and Blue Grass Parkways and still have one odd I-x65 available for future use.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2016, 06:44:13 PM »

How about we flip a coin? Heads the designation becomes Interstate 165. Tails the designation becomes Interstate 365. Who wants to do the coin toss?
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2016, 06:58:13 PM »

What is this, the Iowa Caucus?
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2016, 05:33:20 PM »

Interstate 565? I would have prefered the Interstate 165 designation for the William Natcher Parkway.

I would go with I-365 over I-565.  If Kentucky is one of those states that doesn't want to use I-1xx, starting with an I-365 would still allow a decent numerical sequence for any future numbers for the Cumberland and Blue Grass Parkways and still have one odd I-x65 available for future use.
I agree I-365 makes the most sense. Avoid duplication in other states when possible. I like the fact that I-294 is in Chicago I-494 and 694 is in the twin cities and I-894 is in Milwaukee and nothing is repeated when it doesn't have to be.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2016, 05:51:59 PM »

I'm just surprised that the Owensboro folks didn't lobby for a 2di number (I-63, anyone?) for the Natcher/Audubon combination -- seeing as how they pushed like hell a year or so ago for I-67 for the Natcher/231 combination corridor. 
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2016, 06:22:31 PM »

It might be a good place for an I-61 or I-63, for the single reason that I don't know where the hell else they could place those numbers without coming too close to the US Highway with the same number.  Most ideas for I-61 or I-63 would probably put them too close to US61 or US63.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2016, 09:49:40 AM »

It might be a good place for an I-61 or I-63, for the single reason that I don't know where the hell else they could place those numbers without coming too close to the US Highway with the same number.  Most ideas for I-61 or I-63 would probably put them too close to US61 or US63.

Yet I-41 still exists... :pan:
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2016, 11:16:39 AM »

I'm just surprised that the Owensboro folks didn't lobby for a 2di number (I-63, anyone?) for the Natcher/Audubon combination -- seeing as how they pushed like hell a year or so ago for I-67 for the Natcher/231 combination corridor.

Hell, the mayor of Owensboro, Ron Payne, tried to get I-69 re-routed to go through Owensboro by following the Audobon Parkway from Henderson, US-60 around Owensboro and then up US-231 into Indiana, leaving Evansville completely out of the equation. Of course, the dumbass tried this AFTER Indiana had already built I-69 from Evansville to Crane at that point. Naturally, the response from KYTC and everyone else with a functioning brain was basically "fuck off". Ron Payne met with Evansville's mayor, Lloyd Winnecke, in Evansville where Winnecke proceeded to open up a can of verbal whoop-ass on him. Payne left Evansville and went back to Owensboro looking like a jackass. He dropped the I-69 Owensboro re-route idea not long after that. I-67 became Plan B. That didn't seem to pan out, so now Plan C is a 3-di, which is what Payne should've focused on to start with if he wanted interstate access to Owensboro. The idea of I-69 being re-routed through Owensboro was completely stupid and I don't think I-67 is necessary. An I-x65 from I-65 along the Natcher and an I-x69 from I-69 in Henderson along the Audobon, with both ending at US-60 will work just fine.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2016, 02:57:48 PM »

It seems more logical that the massive & overwhelming Nashville to Evansville traffic would utilize I-24 to the Pennyrile and then north to I-69 rather than use a routing involving the Natcher/Audubon corridor; now that it looks like the southerly portion of the Pennyrile will eventually become I-169, that traffic will have an all-Interstate corridor to traverse.  Mr. Payne and his ilk will just have to get used to the fact that his city isn't on the direct route to & from any major metro areas.  Maybe they can devote their time & effort into building a museum to the last operating consumer vacuum-tube plant to have operated in the U.S. (GE's Owensboro facility, which shuttered in 1986!).
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2016, 12:09:02 PM »

Interstate 565? I would have prefered the Interstate 165 designation for the William Natcher Parkway.

I would go with I-365 over I-565.  If Kentucky is one of those states that doesn't want to use I-1xx, starting with an I-365 would still allow a decent numerical sequence for any future numbers for the Cumberland and Blue Grass Parkways and still have one odd I-x65 available for future use.

With I-369 the most likely number for the Audubon Parkway, going with I-565 on the Natcher makes sense.   Both roads might wind up meeting at Owensboro and 369 and 365 on signage could prove confusing.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2016, 06:54:19 PM »

I doubt it would happen, but if Kentucky wanted to make all of the Gene Snyder Freeway an interstate, the part west of I-65 could be I-165. The Martha Layne Collins Bluegrass Parkway could be I-365, and then the William H. Natcher Parkway could become I-565 - the spurs would actually be in numerical sequence from north to south.  I know that omits the Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Parkway, but I have a feeling that will connect to I-75 at some point and be signed as either I-X75 or a two-digit even number.

The only downside is KY 565 is located southeast of Greensburg - I could see that being changed to a KY XX61 or KY XX55 designation.  KY 365 is between Owensboro and Paducah on US 60 (makes me wonder if it's an old routing of US 60), so that would be less of an issue with I-365 traversing the bluegrass.  KY 165 in the northeastern part of the state really shouldn't be an issue either.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2016, 07:08:39 PM »

I doubt it would happen, but if Kentucky wanted to make all of the Gene Snyder Freeway an interstate, the part west of I-65 could be I-165. The Martha Layne Collins Bluegrass Parkway could be I-365, and then the William H. Natcher Parkway could become I-565 - the spurs would actually be in numerical sequence from north to south.  I know that omits the Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Parkway, but I have a feeling that will connect to I-75 at some point and be signed as either I-X75 or a two-digit even number.

The only downside is KY 565 is located southeast of Greensburg - I could see that being changed to a KY XX61 or KY XX55 designation.  KY 365 is between Owensboro and Paducah on US 60 (makes me wonder if it's an old routing of US 60), so that would be less of an issue with I-365 traversing the bluegrass.  KY 165 in the northeastern part of the state really shouldn't be an issue either.

Even though the part of the Gene Snyder west of I-65 is technically a spur and not a loop, I would have to think if they ever decided to make it an interstate they'd just call it 265 for simplicity's sake.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2016, 04:55:36 PM »

I doubt it would happen, but if Kentucky wanted to make all of the Gene Snyder Freeway an interstate, the part west of I-65 could be I-165. The Martha Layne Collins Bluegrass Parkway could be I-365, and then the William H. Natcher Parkway could become I-565 - the spurs would actually be in numerical sequence from north to south.  I know that omits the Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Parkway, but I have a feeling that will connect to I-75 at some point and be signed as either I-X75 or a two-digit even number.

The only downside is KY 565 is located southeast of Greensburg - I could see that being changed to a KY XX61 or KY XX55 designation.  KY 365 is between Owensboro and Paducah on US 60 (makes me wonder if it's an old routing of US 60), so that would be less of an issue with I-365 traversing the bluegrass.  KY 165 in the northeastern part of the state really shouldn't be an issue either.

Even though the part of the Gene Snyder west of I-65 is technically a spur and not a loop, I would have to think if they ever decided to make it an interstate they'd just call it 265 for simplicity's sake.

Obviously Kentucky wants to convert all or nearly all of its parkway system to interstate highways. I'm OK with that. Why not get everybody in one room and pick all the numbers once and for all, instead of agonizing over the thing one piece at a time? Let's have a plan!
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2016, 05:34:38 PM »

I doubt it would happen, but if Kentucky wanted to make all of the Gene Snyder Freeway an interstate, the part or KY XX55 designation.  KY 365 is between Owensboro and Paducah on US 60 (makes me wonder if it's an old routing of US 60), so that would be less of an issue with I-365 traversing the bluegrass.  KY 165 in the northeastern part of the state really shouldn't be an issue either.
west of I-65 could be I-165. The Martha Layne Collins Bluegrass Parkway could be I-365, and then the William H. Natcher Parkway could become I-565 - the spurs would actually be in numerical sequence from north to south.  I know that omits the Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Parkway, but I have a feeling that will connect to I-75 at some point and be signed as either I-X75 or a two-digit even number.

The only downside is KY 565 is located southeast of Greensburg - I could see that being changed to a KY XX61

They could pull a NC and ask for I-42 (W) (Cumberland Pkwy), I-46 (Moutain Pkwy then Blue Grass then Western Kentucky Pkwy), I-67 (Green River Pkwy), I-63 (Audobon Pkwy), I-53 (Purchase Pkwy)
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2016, 05:18:17 AM »

Since the Purchase is already part of I-69, I doubt a "I-53" designation would be applied there.  As far as the rest of the Parkway numberings go, I don't think the Mountain would, for the time being, be considered for 2di I-status; its east end doesn't come close to connecting to another Interstate (maybe x64 would be more appropriate, once upgrades have taken place).  I'll defer to more localized posters for info regarding the various parkways' compliance to I-standards.   
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2016, 06:15:59 AM »

I doubt it would happen, but if Kentucky wanted to make all of the Gene Snyder Freeway an interstate, the part or KY XX55 designation.  KY 365 is between Owensboro and Paducah on US 60 (makes me wonder if it's an old routing of US 60), so that would be less of an issue with I-365 traversing the bluegrass.  KY 165 in the northeastern part of the state really shouldn't be an issue either.
west of I-65 could be I-165. The Martha Layne Collins Bluegrass Parkway could be I-365, and then the William H. Natcher Parkway could become I-565 - the spurs would actually be in numerical sequence north to south.  I know that omits the Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Parkway, but I have a feeling that will connect to I-75 at some point and be signed as either I-X75 or a two-digit even number.

The only downside is KY 565 is located southeast of Greensburg - I could see that being changed to a KY XX61

They could pull a NC and ask for I-42 (W) (Cumberland Pkwy), I-46 (Moutain Pkwy then Blue Grass then Western Kentucky Pkwy), I-67 (Green River Pkwy), I-63 (Audobon Pkwy), I-53 (Purchase Pkwy)


Kentucky could be a trailblazer here. They could label the highways, for example, Martha Layne Collins Interstate 63. They can plead that this would cause less confusion for Bluegrass drivers! After all, the politicians are the ones that get things done.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2016, 11:19:47 AM »

Since the Purchase is already part of I-69, I doubt a "I-53" designation would be applied there.  As far as the rest of the Parkway numberings go, I don't think the Mountain would, for the time being, be considered for 2di I-status; its east end doesn't come close to connecting to another Interstate (maybe x64 would be more appropriate, once upgrades have taken place).  I'll defer to more localized posters for info regarding the various parkways' compliance to I-standards.   
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2016, 11:40:50 AM »

I don't know why someone in Kentucky hasn't suggested to run I-71 down I-65 from Louisville to the Western KY Parkway and then run it down to I-69 with the option of sending it down the southern Pennyrile to I-24 at Hopkinsville if they wanted to keep that a 2d rather than an X24 spur.
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Re: Natcher Parkway Upgrade to I-65 Spur
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2016, 12:27:59 PM »

You could actually route it over I-265 to get rid of some of the concurrancy. The problem is you would have a road to everywhere that went nowhere first.  Why drive from Nashville to Cinncinnati via Hopkinsvile?
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