Indianapolis, why no routes inside 465?

[CapeCodder]

Aside from 65 and 70, why are all the other routes routed onto 465?  It seems odd. It bothers me. Always has, especially for those interested in old alignments of numbered routes.

[Bitmapped]

Indiana has a statutory limit on the mileage in the state highway system. Re-routing state highways onto I-465 saves mileage under the cap.

[hbelkins]

Indiana has a statutory limit on the mileage in the state highway system. Re-routing state highways onto I-465 saves mileage under the cap.

I've read elsewhere that Indiana is well under the statutory cap. It's probably done to give more local control to the city.

[US71]

Aside from 65 and 70, why are all the other routes routed onto 465?  It seems odd. It bothers me. Always has, especially for those interested in old alignments of numbered routes.

I'm hoping the National Road is posted through town when I get there.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

Indiana has a statutory limit on the mileage in the state highway system. Re-routing state highways onto I-465 saves mileage under the cap.

I've read elsewhere that Indiana is well under the statutory cap. It's probably done to give more local control to the city.

It's likely a combination of both things; it gives more freedom to accept transfers of roads to the state if need be.

[abqtraveler]

Indiana has a statutory limit on the mileage in the state highway system. Re-routing state highways onto I-465 saves mileage under the cap.

I've read elsewhere that Indiana is well under the statutory cap. It's probably done to give more local control to the city.

It's likely a combination of both things; it gives more freedom to accept transfers of roads to the state if need be.

NIMBY-ism also played a role, particularly with the cancellation of I-69 following Binford Boulevard to the I-65/I-70 north split.  The ghost ramps where I-69 was to tie into that interchange can still be seen.

[jnewkirk77]

Aside from 65 and 70, why are all the other routes routed onto 465?  It seems odd. It bothers me. Always has, especially for those interested in old alignments of numbered routes.

I'm hoping the National Road is posted through town when I get there.

The National Road is signed, and quite well at that. Indiana has done a good job with the "Historic National Road" markers.

[dvferyance]

Until the early 2000's US 31 US 40 and IN 37 where still signed inside 465. I think it should have stayed that way.

[US71]

Aside from 65 and 70, why are all the other routes routed onto 465?  It seems odd. It bothers me. Always has, especially for those interested in old alignments of numbered routes.

I'm hoping the National Road is posted through town when I get there.

The National Road is signed, and quite well at that. Indiana has done a good job with the "Historic National Road" markers.

Excellent!

[Interstate 69 Fan]

All routes were signed inside my city, but they were put out onto 465 in 2002 to reduce confusion. It was very confusing where they went inside 465.

[Interstate 69 Fan]

Aside from 65 and 70, why are all the other routes routed onto 465?  It seems odd. It bothers me. Always has, especially for those interested in old alignments of numbered routes.

I'm hoping the National Road is posted through town when I get there.

The National Road is signed, and quite well at that. Indiana has done a good job with the "Historic National Road" markers.

Excellent!

I wouldn't be too sure on that. Outside of Indy, it's signed well. Inside 465, not so much. There's a National Road Monument heading west in the median just after the 65/70 interchange in downtown on Washington St.

[Flint1979]

I agree that US-40 could easily go across the city of Indianapolis. All it would have to do is follow Washington Street.

US-36 could follow Massachusetts Avenue into the city and then run down Sherman Drive to Washington Street and muliplex US-40 there and then split at Rockville Road.

US-52 could follow Brookville Road into the city then route it with US-40 along Washington Street and then run it along Michigan and New York Streets to I-65 and let it run multiplexed with I-65 until it's split in Lebanon. The thing I have with US-52 all together is it's out of the grid in the northern part of the country.

[US71]

I agree that US-40 could easily go across the city of Indianapolis. All it would have to do is follow Washington Street.

US-36 could follow Massachusetts Avenue into the city and then run down Sherman Drive to Washington Street and muliplex US-40 there and then split at Rockville Road.

US-52 could follow Brookville Road into the city then route it with US-40 along Washington Street and then run it along Michigan and New York Streets to I-65 and let it run multiplexed with I-65 until it's split in Lebanon. The thing I have with US-52 all together is it's out of the grid in the northern part of the country.

There's an E-W split on 40 near downtown along Marlyand St. but checking Google maps, it segues back to Washington with no problem.

[Flint1979]

I agree that US-40 could easily go across the city of Indianapolis. All it would have to do is follow Washington Street.

US-36 could follow Massachusetts Avenue into the city and then run down Sherman Drive to Washington Street and muliplex US-40 there and then split at Rockville Road.

US-52 could follow Brookville Road into the city then route it with US-40 along Washington Street and then run it along Michigan and New York Streets to I-65 and let it run multiplexed with I-65 until it's split in Lebanon. The thing I have with US-52 all together is it's out of the grid in the northern part of the country.

There's an E-W split on 40 near downtown along Marlyand St. but checking Google maps, it segues back to Washington with no problem.

I didn't notice that but it's just a pair of one way streets so Maryland is simply the other one way it wouldn't be difficult to route along there.

[US71]

I agree that US-40 could easily go across the city of Indianapolis. All it would have to do is follow Washington Street.

US-36 could follow Massachusetts Avenue into the city and then run down Sherman Drive to Washington Street and muliplex US-40 there and then split at Rockville Road.

US-52 could follow Brookville Road into the city then route it with US-40 along Washington Street and then run it along Michigan and New York Streets to I-65 and let it run multiplexed with I-65 until it's split in Lebanon. The thing I have with US-52 all together is it's out of the grid in the northern part of the country.

There's an E-W split on 40 near downtown along Marlyand St. but checking Google maps, it segues back to Washington with no problem.

I didn't notice that but it's just a pair of one way streets so Maryland is simply the other one way it wouldn't be difficult to route along there.

There's also a cool tralblazer
https://goo.gl/maps/f74jBMQ4VhR2

[Flint1979]

I agree that US-40 could easily go across the city of Indianapolis. All it would have to do is follow Washington Street.

US-36 could follow Massachusetts Avenue into the city and then run down Sherman Drive to Washington Street and muliplex US-40 there and then split at Rockville Road.

US-52 could follow Brookville Road into the city then route it with US-40 along Washington Street and then run it along Michigan and New York Streets to I-65 and let it run multiplexed with I-65 until it's split in Lebanon. The thing I have with US-52 all together is it's out of the grid in the northern part of the country.

There's an E-W split on 40 near downtown along Marlyand St. but checking Google maps, it segues back to Washington with no problem.

I didn't notice that but it's just a pair of one way streets so Maryland is simply the other one way it wouldn't be difficult to route along there.

There's also a cool tralblazer
https://goo.gl/maps/f74jBMQ4VhR2

That is indeed different lol.

[SSR_317]

I agree that US-40 could easily go across the city of Indianapolis. All it would have to do is follow Washington Street.

US-36 could follow Massachusetts Avenue into the city and then run down Sherman Drive to Washington Street and muliplex US-40 there and then split at Rockville Road.

US-52 could follow Brookville Road into the city then route it with US-40 along Washington Street and then run it along Michigan and New York Streets to I-65 and let it run multiplexed with I-65 until it's split in Lebanon. The thing I have with US-52 all together is it's out of the grid in the northern part of the country.

There's an E-W split on 40 near downtown along Marlyand St. but checking Google maps, it segues back to Washington with no problem.

I didn't notice that but it's just a pair of one way streets so Maryland is simply the other one way it wouldn't be difficult to route along there.

US 40 = Washington Street throughout Indianapolis. When they realigned Washington around the "new" Indianapolis Zoo at White River, the instituted a one-way pair with Maryland Street (which USED to be one way WB, but is now one-way EB). This occurred sometime in the 1980s (can't recall the exact date). The original US 40 Washington St bridge still stands as a pedestrian & non-motorized vehicle path connecting the Zoo on the river's west bank to White River State Park on the east bank. Driving east, you seamlessly flow onto Maryland near Victory Field & the JW Marriott hotel, then back onto Washington Street just beyond the county jail & the Virginia Avenue parking garage for {Your Company's Name Here} (at present Banker's Life, but not for much longer) Fieldhouse. Otherwise, the old National Road is pretty much where it's always been, along Washington Street.

[US71]

Are the US routes posted along 465 or is it done "Arkansas style" where everything but the main road disappears?

[Interstate 69 Fan]

Are the US routes posted along 465 or is it done "Arkansas style" where everything but the main road disappears?

Kinda both. I’ll use US 31 on the south side for my example. There’s signs that say “SR/US xx Follow I-465 WEST/EAST to Exit XX”

Here it is https://www.google.com/maps/place/Unnamed+Road,+Indianapolis,+IN+46227/@39.6958694,-86.1483759,3a,75y,33.34h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s76PZk-H_MoRJN6LX9r5lZg!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x886b5bbc7264352d:0x5b355e96b134334c?hl=en-US

It’s down the ramp to 465 east a bit

[roadman65]

US 136 too used to continue inside the 465 loop.  I think it connected to its parent. I will have to check Dale's website to know for sure.

[ilpt4u]

US 136 too used to continue inside the 465 loop.  I think it connected to its parent. I will have to check Dale's website to know for sure.

Considering US 136 is the old Dixie Highway between Danville IL and Indy, I'm sure it went Downtown, and then connected with what became IN SR 37 South, which was Dixie Highway from Indy to Paoli, I believe

Someone posted a pic of the Dixie Highway system on another thread here, not too awful long ago

[jnewkirk77]

US 136 too used to continue inside the 465 loop.  I think it connected to its parent. I will have to check Dale's website to know for sure.

I know 136 went as far as Northwestern Avenue (now Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Street), picking up 52 at Lafayette Road, but I don't remember if it followed 421/52 south to Washington Street (36/40) or not.  I don't think it did, but it could (and probably should) have.

[Interstate 69 Fan]

Well I-465 east between Exit 9 to Exit 53 is now closed on the southwest side for 9 miles.

[2trailertrucker]

Well I-465 east between Exit 9 to Exit 53 is now closed on the southwest side for 9 miles.

Here is the info on the closures:

https://www.in.gov/indot/3775.htm

[silverback1065]

I agree that US-40 could easily go across the city of Indianapolis. All it would have to do is follow Washington Street.

US-36 could follow Massachusetts Avenue into the city and then run down Sherman Drive to Washington Street and muliplex US-40 there and then split at Rockville Road.

US-52 could follow Brookville Road into the city then route it with US-40 along Washington Street and then run it along Michigan and New York Streets to I-65 and let it run multiplexed with I-65 until it's split in Lebanon. The thing I have with US-52 all together is it's out of the grid in the northern part of the country.

you've basically described their old routings.

US 421 took michigan road (mlk south of 38th) down to washington, turned left followed washington to southeastern ave out.
US 40 followed washington the whole way
US 36 followed rockville to washington, turned left on west st, then right on 38th st to pendleton pike and out
US 136 ended at 16th and mlk
SR 67 took kentucky to west, then followed US 36 out
SR 37 took binford to 38th, then followed 31 out of the city until it hit 465, then jumped over to harding
US 31 took meridan down to north street, jumped over to delaware and penn, and ran out along madison ave/east st
US 52 took lafayette road to 16th then down mlk/west down to washington then it followed 421 and jumped off at english ave, then left on brookville road

the routes were decommissioned because they are no longer necessary, through traffic is basically non existent, everyone uses 465 to bypass the inside of indy.  It made no sense to keep paying for upkeep for a bunch of local routes, so INDOT gave them back to indy, which indy has promptly done nothing really in terms of upkeep ever since.  this was the same reasoning for why us 40 doesnt go through terre haute anymore.  and yes, INDOT isn't even close to hitting its mileage cap. 

Bonus, SR 135 used to go all the way downtown, not sure where it ended, but it did use capitol ave
Also, Mass ave was SR 367 for a time.

Ohio should do the same, nearly all the routes in their large cities are completely useless.