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situveux1:

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--- Quote from: Bobby5280 on January 16, 2023, 06:43:26 PM ---I can't remember for certain when ODOT shifted from the old circle shields to the current design.

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2006.

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The meat cleaver is so lame that even the circle is a big improvement on it. It's a shame because they could have done more with it.

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Speaking as someone who drives past them every time I leave the city, and has two of them in his house...They're really not that bad once you actually see one in the field.

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I've seen them in the field many times and remain quite unimpressed. It's a square (which is a duller shape than a circle, IMHO) with an offset outline halfway above the number.  Seems off-balance and is boring. At least Florida nestles the numbers into the Gulf Coast, which looks balanced and even.

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I'm 1000% biased, so take it for what it is... but I still think Kansas has the best design. The black on yellow is the best visible contrast possible. It's a great representation of the state and since it's not a state outline, it extends well with 3 digit route numbers. And it doesn't get much better balance than a circle/oval design.

StogieGuy7:

--- Quote from: situveux1 on January 18, 2023, 09:37:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2023, 09:32:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: Scott5114 on January 17, 2023, 03:01:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 17, 2023, 11:11:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: Scott5114 on January 16, 2023, 06:57:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bobby5280 on January 16, 2023, 06:43:26 PM ---I can't remember for certain when ODOT shifted from the old circle shields to the current design.

--- End quote ---

2006.

--- End quote ---

The meat cleaver is so lame that even the circle is a big improvement on it. It's a shame because they could have done more with it.

--- End quote ---

Speaking as someone who drives past them every time I leave the city, and has two of them in his house...They're really not that bad once you actually see one in the field.

--- End quote ---

I've seen them in the field many times and remain quite unimpressed. It's a square (which is a duller shape than a circle, IMHO) with an offset outline halfway above the number.  Seems off-balance and is boring. At least Florida nestles the numbers into the Gulf Coast, which looks balanced and even.

--- End quote ---

I'm 1000% biased, so take it for what it is... but I still think Kansas has the best design. The black on yellow is the best visible contrast possible. It's a great representation of the state and since it's not a state outline, it extends well with 3 digit route numbers. And it doesn't get much better balance than a circle/oval design.

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Definitely one of the very best indeed. Original, attractive and appropriate to the state. Utah's beehive, Colorado's state-flag themed shield would also be vying for the top spot.

Bobby5280:
One drawback to Kansas' sunflower symbol shield: it has to be horizontally stretched out of symmetrical proportions to fit 3 digit route numbers. It's either that or use really condensed numerals that are less legible.

New Mexico has the same kind of problem with its round Zia-themed shield. On big green signs they tend to just use the generic round cirles and ovals and leave the Zia symbols on the post-mounted reassurance signs.

Another issue with Kansas' state highway shield: yellow background colors are typically used on various types of standard warning signs (diamond shaped signs, chevron signs on sharp roadway curves, etc).

StogieGuy7:

--- Quote from: Bobby5280 on January 18, 2023, 02:34:07 PM ---One drawback to Kansas' sunflower symbol shield: it has to be horizontally stretched out of symmetrical proportions to fit 3 digit route numbers. It's either that or use really condensed numerals that are less legible.

New Mexico has the same kind of problem with its round Zia-themed shield. On big green signs they tend to just use the generic round cirles and ovals and leave the Zia symbols on the post-mounted reassurance signs.

Another issue with Kansas' state highway shield: yellow background colors are typically used on various types of standard warning signs (diamond shaped signs, chevron signs on sharp roadway curves, etc).

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Kansas stretches the dimensions a little for 3di highways, but thanks to the flower pedals the stretching is hardly noticeable (unlike KY, where circles become ovals).  NM handles the zia by shrinking the numerical font size - enough to detract from the design. I always thought that just using circles (and ovoids) on BGS' was a real cop out for NM. 

Then again, look how Texas handles their state-shaped FM/RM highway badges (the most common shield in the state). Talk about mailing it in.

Bobby5280:
It's not offensive for a state using generic round state highway markers to use ovals for 3 digit routes. Both are just ordinary geometric shapes. People are accustomed to thinking of sunflowers as being round. An oval sunflower shape just seems odd.

I think NM DOT had no choice but to use the generic circle designs for state highway markers on big green signs. In order to incorporate the Zia details the shields would have to be significantly larger for the numerals to scale to acceptable sizes.

Texas' Farm to Market and Ranch to Market signs also do not translate at all to big green sign designs. The Texas state shape is a pretty lousy container for route numerals (even worse than the diamond shapes used by NC and MI). It's easy to see why TX DOT uses ordinary rectangles for BGS FM and RM route markers. The numerals can be larger and more legible in that treatment.

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