Quick review: I-85 is rerouted around the southeastern side of Greensboro along the Urban Loop; a few years later, I-40 is also rerouted around the south side and shortly returned back to its original alignment through town; US 421 is rerouted to make up for the loss of I-40 (this section is also signed as I-73).
Any new developments since then?
NCDOT has received AASHTO approval for numbering I-840 and I-73 along the segment from I 40 north to Bryan Boulevard and I-840 along the segment from I 40 north to US 70, but has not changed any signage yet.
Note that old US 421 between the loop and I-40 no longer has a signed number.
According to this (http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-840_nc.html), the next section is to be constructed sometime this year, between US 70 and the part of US 29 that will also carry I-785 north to Virginia.
That AAroads page is out of date. According to the NCDOT Outer Loop web page, http://www.ncdot.org/projects/greensborourbanloop/ , right-of-way acquisition for the segment from US 70 to US 29 is scheduled for 2015. The next segment scheduled is from Bryan Boulevard to US 220 with right-of-way acquisition to start this year. The rest of the loop is unfunded.
Was just through there yesterday on my way to Boston from Atlanta. I gotta say, from what I saw where I-85 is concerned, once it's finished the entire way through NC, it will be a sweet drive. NC has done a really great job with the upgrades through the Triad area as well as Charlotte and you can see there's more to come.
I just want to see the Greensboro Urban Loop complete... and now i hear that they plan to delay the projects for the Loop again.. WHAT... politics...
Thread resurrection!
So far, The Greensboro Urban Loop is nearly 3/4 complete.
The section of I-840 from I-73/Bryan Blvd interchange to US 220 will be open in March 2018, with the extension to Lawndale Drive currently under construction; while the Eastern section (I-785/I-840, but will only be signed as I-785 for now) from US 70 to US 29 will be open by the end of the year if possible even though it is scheduled to be complete in Dec. 2018.
They are starting the bid for the final section of the Loop between Lawndale and US 29.
And signages are already up for I-785. I hope bob7374 sends in some photos. For more information on the GUL, (Greensboro Urban Loop), go to this website:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html
Quote from: Strider on October 29, 2017, 09:39:38 PM
And signages are already up for I-785. I hope bob7374 sends in some photos. For more information on the GUL, (Greensboro Urban Loop), go to this website:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html
New photos have been posted in the link above in the section devoted to the Northeast Segment (I-785/I-840).
Update:
http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/new-urban-loop-improvements-coming-online-soon/article_4405f7d5-d16a-5b3e-97ca-aa120e35f713.html
The Eastern Urban Loop is now open from I-40/I-85 up to US 29. Now, the loop is nearly 3/4 complete with the western section between I-73/Bryan and US 220 interchanges still under construction and will be open on February 1, 2018 unless there is a weather delay.
The current section of the Northern Loop from Battleground (US 220) to Lawndale is already under construction, and the contract work for the final section of the Northern Loop (between Lawndale and US 29) is going out in March.
http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/eastern-portion-of-greensboro-urban-loop-has-opened-ncdot-says/article_05f2c82b-a555-5aa2-9f20-2b5cb743746d.html
Took a photo of I-785 the other day:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4566/37961379385_a574b3a113_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZQvZx8)
The 785 portion is currently signed exclusively as I-785, right, with I-840 relegated to Future Interstate Corridor signs?
Will US 29 north of the Greensboro Loop ever receive an upgrade to Interstate 785? Or is that potential upgrade as far into the future as it was when US 29 was designated future Interstate 785 20 years ago?
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 07, 2017, 04:20:45 PM
The 785 portion is currently signed exclusively as I-785, right, with I-840 relegated to Future Interstate Corridor signs?
Yes. The Eastern Urban Loop is fully signed as I-785 between US 29 and I-40/85. I-840 isn't signed, but it is a hidden concurrency at least for now.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 07, 2017, 05:58:45 PM
Will US 29 north of the Greensboro Loop ever receive an upgrade to Interstate 785? Or is that potential upgrade as far into the future as it was when US 29 was designated future Interstate 785 20 years ago?
Yes, US 29 will eventually be upgraded to I-785 in the future. It isn't in NCDOT's plan for some reason (should be), as the only part of US 29 that needs a upgrade is the section between Hicone Rd (which was upgraded). and the Business 29 split just south of Reidsville in Guilford County.
The only portion of US 29 that is in NCDOT's plan is to reconstruct the Reddy Fork/Summit Ave and US 29 interchange that will upgrade that section of US 29 to interstate standards which won't happen until sometime in 2020, i believe.
I have posted photos Strider sent to me of the new segment of the Loop on my NC Future Interstates Greensboro Loop site including this of the new I-785 (with room for a future I-840 shield) exit sign on US 29 South:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Ffut785str1217e.JPG&hash=80ed9e9c2cfb521519beee15bf69b871ce08e75f)
The full set can be found here in the Northeast Segment section: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html)
One interesting note is that I-840 will have a concurrency on both sides: I-73 to the west, and I-785 to the east.
Quote from: Henry on December 14, 2017, 09:54:29 AM
One interesting note is that I-840 will have a concurrency on both sides: I-73 to the west, and I-785 to the east.
It will also be only the second concurrency of two 3di's in the entire country, the other being I-271 and I-480 near Cleveland. NC will also have another eventually: 795 and 587.
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 14, 2017, 10:13:12 AM
Quote from: Henry on December 14, 2017, 09:54:29 AM
One interesting note is that I-840 will have a concurrency on both sides: I-73 to the west, and I-785 to the east.
It will also be only the second concurrency of two 3di's in the entire country, the other being I-271 and I-480 near Cleveland. NC will also have another eventually: 795 and 587.
It is crazy to think that there will be the second concurrency of two 3di's in the entire country. I expected more than that. And, yes you are correct, NC is going to have 587 and 795 on the same route together in the future.
I-785 & I-840 updated on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1244381,-79.7102624,13z/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1244381,-79.7102624,13z/data=!3m1!1e3)
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 14, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
I-785 & I-840 updated on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1244381,-79.7102624,13z/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1244381,-79.7102624,13z/data=!3m1!1e3)
...except that Google jumped the gun again. I-840 isn't signed on it yet. For now, it's just I-785.
Quote from: LM117 on December 14, 2017, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 14, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
I-785 & I-840 updated on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1244381,-79.7102624,13z/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1244381,-79.7102624,13z/data=!3m1!1e3)
...except that Google jumped the gun again. I-840 isn't signed on it yet. For now, it's just I-785.
At least the older section actually was signed as Future I-840 at some point (with normal shields, not just Future 840 Corridor signs).
I have posted several new photos and a new video to my Greensboro Loop page, Northwest section. The photos are via Strider showing new overhead signage on the soon to be open, currently snow covered, section between I-73/Bryan Blvd and US 220, for I-73:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Ffut840str118b.JPG&hash=8608c8e5c1f51934573ca3c40db554888daf8691)
and for US 220:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Ffut840str118g.JPG&hash=e910847407a6c651f036f753219c34cbe731b2fb)
Full set at: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html)
NCDOT posted as of yesterday plans for the final segment of the Greensboro Loop to be constructed, from Lawndale Ave. to US 29 (Future I-785) which will be let in February. The 2-part sign plan documents not only include those for the new signs along the last section, such as this showing exit numbers for the final 2 exits:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi840exits10and11signplans.jpg&hash=eefefda0d7be2aea82120bf776c126e5a057aa98)
but also new signage needed when I-840 gets extended along I-785 to I-40/I-85, and on those interstates as well, such as this new travel time sign which will let drivers know the fastest way to get around Greensboro:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi840traveltimesignplan1.jpg&hash=5b6b464117d2adfa347a4458d559cd3b86f87b15)
There are also sign plans in the Part 2 document for I-40 since it appears NCDOT has decided to remove the Business 85 designation from that route and US 29-70 heading south back to I-85. Here's the future End I-785/I-840 sign which will replace the recently installed Business 85 auxiliary sign:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fendi785i840repbus85.jpg&hash=4c738d6b8fb81201bf5c93f95235fcd3e9c96271)
Here are plans for the I-40 signage where the Business 85 shields will be removed from the overhead signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi40signplanrandlemannob85c.jpg&hash=b59d3019bc9c96ef792083dd358e16c6ae2d6a04)
The documents can be accessed at:
https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2018%20Highway%20Letting/03-20-18/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guildford,%20U-2525C,%20C204096/ (https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2018%20Highway%20Letting/03-20-18/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guildford,%20U-2525C,%20C204096/) (yes the URL does say 'Guildford').
Good to know about 85 Business signage removal. I'm headed that way next week and will clinch the route while it's still there.
Is the route on the west side open to US 220 yet?
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on April 02, 2018, 02:27:08 PM
Is the route on the west side open to US 220 yet?
Nope. It will be open on April 14th, weather permitting.
It also looks like the last section (from US29 to Lawndale Drive) was part of the March 20 letting (contract U-2525C): https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Central-Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=Central&let_date=2018-03-20%2000:00:00.
Quote from: mvak36 on April 03, 2018, 09:51:59 AM
It also looks like the last section (from US29 to Lawndale Drive) was part of the March 20 letting (contract U-2525C): https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Central-Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=Central&let_date=2018-03-20%2000:00:00.
Great news! I know they said that section will start construction sometime in 2018, but glad to hear it is starting early in the year.
Quote from: Strider on April 03, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on April 03, 2018, 09:51:59 AM
It also looks like the last section (from US29 to Lawndale Drive) was part of the March 20 letting (contract U-2525C): https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Central-Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=Central&let_date=2018-03-20%2000:00:00.
Great news! I know they said that section will start construction sometime in 2018, but glad to hear it is starting early in the year.
I'm not sure when they would start. Hopefully it will start by the summer.
Quote from: mvak36 on April 03, 2018, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: Strider on April 03, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on April 03, 2018, 09:51:59 AM
It also looks like the last section (from US29 to Lawndale Drive) was part of the March 20 letting (contract U-2525C): https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Central-Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=Central&let_date=2018-03-20%2000:00:00.
Great news! I know they said that section will start construction sometime in 2018, but glad to hear it is starting early in the year.
I'm not sure when they would start. Hopefully it will start by the summer.
According to NCDOT, the final section of the Urban Loop is being awarded, and the work could start as early as April 30th. I cannot wait for I-840 to be completed.
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15032
When the Greensboro Urban Loop is completed, will the segment that is co-designated Interstate 785/840 have both designations signposted between Interstate 40/85 and US 29?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 04, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
When the Greensboro Urban Loop is completed, will the segment that is co-designated Interstate 785/840 have both designations signposted between Interstate 40/85 and US 29?
Yeah :) the I-785 portion of the Loop from I-40/85 to US 29 (future I-785) is complete, but it is only signed as I-785 at least until the whole loop (I-840) is finished.
Quote from: Strider on April 04, 2018, 05:22:15 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 04, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
When the Greensboro Urban Loop is completed, will the segment that is co-designated Interstate 785/840 have both designations signposted between Interstate 40/85 and US 29?
Yeah :) the I-785 portion of the Loop from I-40/85 to US 29 (future I-785) is complete, but it is only signed as I-785 at least until the whole loop (I-840) is finished.
Here's the current signage on US 29 South with a space left for a future I-840 shield, photo courtesy of Strider:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Ffut785str1217e.JPG&hash=80ed9e9c2cfb521519beee15bf69b871ce08e75f)
Quote from: Strider on April 02, 2018, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on April 02, 2018, 02:27:08 PM
Is the route on the west side open to US 220 yet?
Are we on schedule for April 14??
Nope. It will be open on April 14th, weather permitting.
I am very excited for the Greensboro Urban Loop!! :nod: :hyper: :thumbsup:
I think Greensboro could definitely use this beltway (I-840), as it, like almost the entirety of the state of North Carolina, is growing rapidly. The interstate system will need to expand along with it, so it is very good that this is happening. I cannot wait to see the results of this construction. :nod:
Also, courtesy of this page from NCDOT, (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/greensborourbanloop/) here is a picture of the planned Greensboro Urban Loop (I-840):
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180413/9bc654180718939d21daed7b4dbe44b0.jpg)
Due to possible rain weekend and there are still a few work to be done, the part from I-73/Bryan to US 220 is now scheduled to open on April 23, but please click on the link for a sneak peek on the first ever I-840 shield signed on the Loop!
http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/opening-imminent-for-major-section-of-the-urban-loop/article_258bb888-baf9-5ca9-b6c8-6efb9e1eb9ea.html
Quote from: Strider on April 13, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
Due to possible rain weekend and there are still a few work to be done, the part from I-73/Bryan to US 220 is now scheduled to open on April 23, but please click on the link for a sneak peek on the first ever I-840 shield signed on the Loop!
http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/opening-imminent-for-major-section-of-the-urban-loop/article_258bb888-baf9-5ca9-b6c8-6efb9e1eb9ea.html
It's hidden behind a paywall for me.
Quote from: signalman on April 13, 2018, 07:06:31 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 13, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
Due to possible rain weekend and there are still a few work to be done, the part from I-73/Bryan to US 220 is now scheduled to open on April 23, but please click on the link for a sneak peek on the first ever I-840 shield signed on the Loop!
http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/opening-imminent-for-major-section-of-the-urban-loop/article_258bb888-baf9-5ca9-b6c8-6efb9e1eb9ea.html
It's hidden behind a paywall for me.
The first time I looked at the article, no problem at all. The second time, the text was covered up until I answered a non-intrusive one-question survey. Not much of a "paywall", IMO.
I was hoping to work the new segment into my return trip from Florida next week, but I guess I'll have to do it some other trip.
Hmm, weird. The first time I tried to access it all the text was blanked out. I was never asked any nonintrusive questions. I just tried it again, this time it asked me questions in regards to home cooking. That was....different.
Here's the article for those that couldn't see it:
QuoteMotorists driving through the construction area on Battleground Avenue have had plenty of clues recently that the new section of the Greensboro Urban Loop would open soon.
For a week or more, traffic lights needed to regulate traffic on the Urban Loop's on- and offramps have been in place. The lights were in flashing mode.
In addition, the entrance and exit ramps at Battleground appeared to have been recently paved, and large, overhead directional signs had been hoisted into position.
The new 3.8-mile section is expected to speed travel for residents in that part of northern Greensboro headed to the airport, parts of western Greensboro and the rest of the interstate system.
The new part is expected to be open by April 23, weather permitting, transportation officials said Friday during a media tour of the expressway.
"This is one part of the Greensboro Urban Loop that we have been planning for the past 50 years," said Mike Fox, the chairman of the N.C. Board of Transportation.
The new stretch of six-lane expressway will be designated Interstate 840, one of several interstate designations that the Urban Loop includes on what eventually will be a 44-mile circuit around the city.
"This will make it tremendously easier for folks to travel from the east and middle of Greensboro to the west," Fox said.
State Rep. John Faircloth (R-Guilford) agreed.
"People don't realize what opening this road will mean," Faircloth said. "It will affect thousands of people because it will take traffic away from other major roads in the area."
Completion of the Bryan-to-Battleground section will leave only two more sections of the Urban Loop yet to be built, and one of them is already under construction.
Construction on the Bryan-to-Battleground section began in October 2013, and although it will soon be opened to traffic, about 15 percent of the project remains to be finished.
That's because the project includes completion of the massive bridge that will carry the new interstate highway across busy Battleground Avenue and an extended, fragile wetland area on the other side.
But the interstate can be opened to traffic west of Battleground without affecting the work that remains on the rest of that bridge.
Officials with the N.C. Department of Transportation estimate that so far the project has cost about $123 million.
The next-to-last section of the Urban Loop, already under construction, is scheduled for completion in December 2020 at a cost of about $58 million.
That leg extends about 1.9 miles from the new, Battleground bridge to just past Lawndale Drive.
Construction work on the last section of the Urban Loop – from Lawndale Drive to U.S. 29 – should begin this year, with completion expected in 2022. Groundbreaking is scheduled for May.
Quote from: signalman on April 13, 2018, 07:06:31 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 13, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
Due to possible rain weekend and there are still a few work to be done, the part from I-73/Bryan to US 220 is now scheduled to open on April 23, but please click on the link for a sneak peek on the first ever I-840 shield signed on the Loop!
http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/opening-imminent-for-major-section-of-the-urban-loop/article_258bb888-baf9-5ca9-b6c8-6efb9e1eb9ea.html
It's hidden behind a paywall for me.
Opening it in a private window in Firefox normally bypasses this all as their cookies can't then track the # of visits you make to the site. ;)
Quote from: Strider on April 13, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
Due to possible rain weekend and there are still a few work to be done, the part from I-73/Bryan to US 220 is now scheduled to open on April 23, but please click on the link for a sneak peek on the first ever I-840 shield signed on the Loop!
http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/opening-imminent-for-major-section-of-the-urban-loop/article_258bb888-baf9-5ca9-b6c8-6efb9e1eb9ea.html
It opened this morning.
http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/new-section-of-urban-loop-in-greensboro-open-for-traffic/article_476f3bd1-4abd-52d0-906d-a2233c754a3a.html (http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/new-section-of-urban-loop-in-greensboro-open-for-traffic/article_476f3bd1-4abd-52d0-906d-a2233c754a3a.html)
Quote from: LM117 on April 19, 2018, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: Strider on April 13, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
Due to possible rain weekend and there are still a few work to be done, the part from I-73/Bryan to US 220 is now scheduled to open on April 23, but please click on the link for a sneak peek on the first ever I-840 shield signed on the Loop!
http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/opening-imminent-for-major-section-of-the-urban-loop/article_258bb888-baf9-5ca9-b6c8-6efb9e1eb9ea.html
It opened this morning.
http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/new-section-of-urban-loop-in-greensboro-open-for-traffic/article_476f3bd1-4abd-52d0-906d-a2233c754a3a.html (http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/new-section-of-urban-loop-in-greensboro-open-for-traffic/article_476f3bd1-4abd-52d0-906d-a2233c754a3a.html)
I plan on driving the section and take some photos later today.
Now that the Western, Eastern and Southern parts of the Loop is complete, the only one remaining is the Northern part (one is still under construction from US 220 to Lawndale). It is now 3/4 complete.
Quote from: Strider on April 19, 2018, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: LM117 on April 19, 2018, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: Strider on April 13, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
Due to possible rain weekend and there are still a few work to be done, the part from I-73/Bryan to US 220 is now scheduled to open on April 23, but please click on the link for a sneak peek on the first ever I-840 shield signed on the Loop!
http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/opening-imminent-for-major-section-of-the-urban-loop/article_258bb888-baf9-5ca9-b6c8-6efb9e1eb9ea.html
It opened this morning.
http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/new-section-of-urban-loop-in-greensboro-open-for-traffic/article_476f3bd1-4abd-52d0-906d-a2233c754a3a.html (http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/new-section-of-urban-loop-in-greensboro-open-for-traffic/article_476f3bd1-4abd-52d0-906d-a2233c754a3a.html)
I plan on driving the section and take some photos later today.
Here's one of the photos taken by Strider at the start I-840 East at Bryan Blvd:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi840str418t.JPG&hash=9e7b6ef4904aafc7446cde764a962f6ba422f02e)
I will eventually be posting all his photos to my Greensboro Urban Loop site:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
Love the pavement markings. DIY lanes.
Quote from: Rothman on April 20, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Love the pavement markings. DIY lanes.
With all the state's various Interstate (and otherwise) projects, maybe they didn't have enough $$ left to sand down the old lane markings! Looks a bit like a railroad diverging point!
Please tell me that they'll switch to I-840 exit numbers once the loop is completed so I-73 won't exit itself. :no: If not, this belongs in Redesign this!
Quote from: bob7374 on April 20, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
Here's one of the photos taken by Strider at the start I-840 East at Bryan Blvd:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi840str418t.JPG&hash=9e7b6ef4904aafc7446cde764a962f6ba422f02e)
Unfortunately, no. That is the plan... However, when approaching I-840/Bryan interchange going south on I-73, both exits for Bryan Blvd East and I-840 East are left exits.
I-73 also exits itself at the I-85/I-73/US 220 interchange south of Greensboro, however.
I-73 still has a long way to go before it dethrones I-80 as the Interstate system's reigning TOTSO king!
Quote from: sparker on April 21, 2018, 02:29:45 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 20, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Love the pavement markings. DIY lanes.
With all the state's various Interstate (and otherwise) projects, maybe they didn't have enough $$ left to sand down the old lane markings! Looks a bit like a railroad diverging point!
LOL...true. Then again, this is a remnant from the days when I-840 ended at Bryan Boulevard.
Quote from: Henry on April 23, 2018, 09:46:42 AM
Quote from: sparker on April 21, 2018, 02:29:45 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 20, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Love the pavement markings. DIY lanes.
With all the state's various Interstate (and otherwise) projects, maybe they didn't have enough $$ left to sand down the old lane markings! Looks a bit like a railroad diverging point!
LOL...true. Then again, this is a remnant from the days when I-840 ended at Bryan Boulevard.
Well, it's still a mistake, and it should be corrected.
Quote from: bob7374 on January 24, 2018, 03:29:50 PM
There are also sign plans in the Part 2 document for I-40 since it appears NCDOT has decided to remove the Business 85 designation from that route and US 29-70 heading south back to I-85.
Any idea when that's happening? I finally clinched this route Friday (was missing the part east of US 29/70/220) and it doesn't look like there have been any changes yet.
They're just gonna keep redesignating the Greensboro area expressways until the end of time, aren't they? :P
Quote from: Eth on April 23, 2018, 07:49:31 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 24, 2018, 03:29:50 PM
There are also sign plans in the Part 2 document for I-40 since it appears NCDOT has decided to remove the Business 85 designation from that route and US 29-70 heading south back to I-85.
Any idea when that's happening? I finally clinched this route Friday (was missing the part east of US 29/70/220) and it doesn't look like there have been any changes yet.
Probably not until work is completed on the last Loop segment in 2022. Business 85 has a few more years of life to it.
Quote from: Roadsguy on April 23, 2018, 09:47:30 PM
They're just gonna keep redesignating the Greensboro area expressways until the end of time, aren't they? :P
If it were up to me, I would've kept I-85 on it's former alignment through Greensboro and signed the entire loop as I-840 (I-73 & I-785 overlaps notwithstanding). At least the loop would then have one consistent interstate number.
Quote from: LM117 on April 24, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on April 23, 2018, 09:47:30 PM
They're just gonna keep redesignating the Greensboro area expressways until the end of time, aren't they? :P
If it were up to me, I would've kept I-85 on it's former alignment through Greensboro and signed the entire loop as I-840 (I-73 & I-785 overlaps notwithstanding). At least the loop would then have one consistent interstate number.
I support the current arrangement because it tends to deflect the I-85 through traffic away from the Death Valley stretch of I-40.
As I recall, that was the primary rationale for building that segment of the Greensboro Loop as an I-85 relocation.
Death Valley is only about 2.5 miles long, and once the northern loop is complete, Greensboro will have so many fantastic freeway bypass options, none of which are currently choked with traffic (even at rush hour!) that it's almost ridiculous. They should just hurry up, close it, and reconstruct all in one fell swoop, before traffic gets worse.. Should take a year and a half at most. Current plans have this project starting in 2022. Hopefully traffic won't be too much worse by then.
Quote from: orulz on May 01, 2018, 12:35:58 PM
Death Valley is only about 2.5 miles long, and once the northern loop is complete, Greensboro will have so many fantastic freeway bypass options, none of which are currently choked with traffic (even at rush hour!) that it's almost ridiculous. They should just hurry up, close it, and reconstruct all in one fell swoop, before traffic gets worse.. Should take a year and a half at most. Current plans have this project starting in 2022. Hopefully traffic won't be too much worse by then.
Also, they plan on rebuild the 2.5 miles of Death Valley section of I-40 in the later years (replacing all bridges and widen the road), starting with the bridge replacement over Buffalo Creek in 2019.
NCDOT press release has link to video of groundbreaking for last section of Greensboro Loop:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15247 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15247)
Has the bridge and loop ramp from the WB loop (NB I-785) to SB US 29 opened yet?
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 30, 2018, 08:55:12 PM
Has the bridge and loop ramp from the WB loop (NB I-785) to SB US 29 opened yet?
That part of the project isn't officially to be completed until December, but its possible it could open before that time.
What's the lane configuration at the I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange now? Particularly I-73 SB and its TOTSO off-ramp (Is it three lanes splitting with 2 going to 840 east and 2 to 73 south?), and I-73 NB/840 EB (Are there now four through lanes continuing through the Friendly Avenue interchange?)
As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.
Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)
At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.
Quote from: Strider on August 14, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.
Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)
At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.
Thanks for the response! Does the left exit ramp from I-73 SB to I-840 EB start out as a single lane now? Is any of that ramp striped for two lanes in the final configuration?
Also, what are the exit numbers and letters? I presume I-73 exits itself southbound like it does northbound.
Quote from: Roadsguy on August 14, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 14, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.
Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)
At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.
Thanks for the response! Does the left exit ramp from I-73 SB to I-840 EB start out as a single lane now? Is any of that ramp striped for two lanes in the final configuration?
Also, what are the exit numbers and letters? I presume I-73 exits itself southbound like it does northbound.
Yes, it is a single lane ramp for I-840 East, but the ramp is so wide you could make 2 lanes out of it (probably will happen in a distant future should traffic counts increase). Yes, while I-73 southbound does "exit itself", EXIT 107A is for Bryan Blvd (left exit when it is technically a straight exit). I-840 Eastbound is EXIT 107B (another left exit).
Quote from: Strider on August 14, 2018, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on August 14, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 14, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.
Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)
At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.
Thanks for the response! Does the left exit ramp from I-73 SB to I-840 EB start out as a single lane now? Is any of that ramp striped for two lanes in the final configuration?
Also, what are the exit numbers and letters? I presume I-73 exits itself southbound like it does northbound.
Yes, it is a single lane ramp for I-840 East, but the ramp is so wide you could make 2 lanes out of it (probably will happen in a distant future should traffic counts increase). Yes, while I-73 southbound does "exit itself", EXIT 107A is for Bryan Blvd (left exit when it is technically a straight exit). I-840 Eastbound is EXIT 107B (another left exit).
Huh, weird. Looking at the original configuration in older satellite imagery, it's clear that the SB-EB flyover was intended originally to be two lanes, with the I-73 SB ramp being only one lane.
As for the exits, interesting that they chose to make Bryan Blvd the exit when they didn't do the same NB for EB I-840, instead making I-73 NB be Exit 107(presumably)A.
Quote from: Strider on August 14, 2018, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on August 14, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 14, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.
Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)
At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.
Thanks for the response! Does the left exit ramp from I-73 SB to I-840 EB start out as a single lane now? Is any of that ramp striped for two lanes in the final configuration?
Also, what are the exit numbers and letters? I presume I-73 exits itself southbound like it does northbound.
Yes, it is a single lane ramp for I-840 East, but the ramp is so wide you could make 2 lanes out of it (probably will happen in a distant future should traffic counts increase). Yes, while I-73 southbound does "exit itself", EXIT 107A is for Bryan Blvd (left exit when it is technically a straight exit). I-840 Eastbound is EXIT 107B (another left exit).
Here are Strider's photo of the I-73 South exit signage approaching I-840:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4str518f.JPG&hash=c58d6388dddfc14e0ee37df6a2f2f63280e07147)
The split of the ramps to I-73 South and I-840 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str518d.JPG&hash=ea9bf0601f1d71ff490a9c26d6b572ec16c3a10c)
and on the I-73 North ramp from I-840 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str818c.JPG&hash=51f4c42408f5a5a1955158c47ec5c86fb232c1e3)
Other photos can be found on my I-73 Segment 4 and 5 pages:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos)
QuoteGREENSBORO – Residents of Battle Forest Village might have to repave a fragmented parking lot on their own dime, but state highway officials are considering other ways they could help fix some of the lingering aftereffects from nearby Urban Loop construction.
Homeowners in this townhouse community of about 150 units are complaining that after construction, private contractors building the Loop's adjoining noise wall did not replace a parking lot they tore up.
State officials say it's up to the homeowners association to repave what is now a grassy field – which isn't popular with some residents.
State officials also are weighing how they might fix other problems that Battle Forest residents have pointed out in connection with the massive road project.
Items under consideration include replacing mismatched shingles on the roof of one unit affected by the project, improving some of the landscaping near the new noise wall and closing off a driveway into the development just up the street from the new highway.
Kay Thornton, the complex's property manager, said residents want to close off access from that part of the community to Lawndale Drive because the driveway is too close to the Urban Loop's future on-ramp.
The proximity could create a traffic hazard by mixing motorists accelerating toward the highway with drivers turning in and out of the driveway, residents fear.
"We agreed that if the (homeowners association) requested in writing, we would consider closing the driveway," said Patty Eason, a DOT engineer.
She said until the request is received, contractors are continuing with construction plans that leave the driveway in place.
Thornton, an executive with Slatter Management Services, said she could not say whether the association's board of directors was likely to make such a request at its meeting next week.
Battle Forest Village lost about 25 percent of its units to the next-to-last segment of the Urban Loop, which extends easterly from Battleground Avenue to Lawndale Drive and is expected to open later this year.
The unit with mismatched shingles was part of what remained after highway contractors demolished part of one townhouse structure to make way for the noise wall, but preserved the rest of the building and put new shingles atop the end unit.
Eason said the state agency is reviewing the requirements for roof replacement with the demolition contractor. Ultimately, if the wrong shingles were installed, "we will work to resolve that," she said.
But the truncated parking lot remains a sore spot with some residents. It serves several units at 3303 Regents Park Lane, forcing some residents and visitors to find other places to park.
North Carolina transportation officials contend they paid the homeowners association enough for a utility easement during construction to cover the cost of all lot repairs. But that's a claim not all Battle Forest residents accept.
Outspoken Battle Forest homeowner Jim Bishop said DOT officials and a representative of the contractor, Flatiron Construction, assured him months ago they would return the parking lot to its original condition after construction.
"What they're doing is not right," Bishop said of the current situation. "Flatiron and DOT said they would put it back when they got done. I was there when they said it."
County records show that the parking area is valued for tax purposes at $9,700 with some depreciation for wear and tear, but none for any loss of function.
Thornton said she did not want to speculate about whether the homeowners association would agree to repave the lot on its own or take some other action.
But Bishop said the association does not have the money to tackle the job and it should not be asked to do so.
Individual homeowners in Battle Forest Village filed a successful lawsuit against DOT for the losses in property value they might suffer because of the Urban Loop's nearby location.
However, that case did not address physical damage to such community assets as a parking lot, Bishop said.
Interesting story regarding impacts due to the Greensboro Urban Loop construction. Also, it is mentioned the segment between Battleground Ave and Lawndale Ave is slated to open by the end of the year.
https://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/state-dot-officials-battle-forest-residents-still-at-odds-over/article_706493ab-9f17-5ccf-873f-df7f5c5bfc59.html
Have added links to 4 new aerial videos taken by Heliflyer over the I-840 construction zone from I-785 to Lawndale Avenue. They can be accessed at: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos)
We need to convince him to fly over the eastern ws beltline.
So they finally opened the ramp from I-785 NB to US 29 SB? I see traffic on it in the flyover video.
obtained this pdf bulletin online that NCDOT is planning to turn Wendover Avenue into U.S. 70 all the way from east Greensboro to high point.
Link: https://www.highpointnc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_06252019-304 (https://www.highpointnc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_06252019-304)
Wendover ave as the new US 70 would be nice. those on either side of the i-840 loop would have one single route direction thats easy to follow directly to high point/jamestown or to burlington, rather than a mess of multiple interstates.
subsequently, us 29 south freeway thru jamestown would lose its i85 business labels/us 70 labels and become us 29 only.
only question is when?
us 29 south still has old 85 business/70 labels on it.
https://www.highpointnc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_06252019-304 (https://www.highpointnc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_06252019-304)
think i may have left out a character. should be good now. copied it straight from the page.
Quote from: ushighway421 on October 12, 2019, 08:54:31 AM
obtained this pdf bulletin online that NCDOT is planning to turn Wendover Avenue into U.S. 70 all the way from east Greensboro to high point.
Link: https://www.highpointnc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_06252019-304
Wendover ave as the new US 70 would be nice. those on either side of the i-840 loop would have one single route direction thats easy to follow directly to high point/jamestown or to burlington, rather than a mess of multiple interstates.
subsequently, us 29 south freeway thru jamestown would lose its i85 business labels/us 70 labels and become us 29 only.
only question is when?
us 29 south still has old 85 business/70 labels on it.
Timing for these things in NC can be inconsistent...
US 311 truncation to Winston-Salem approved a while ago but not done yet
US 158 relocation in Reidsville took 10 years after it was approved
Quote from: ushighway421 on October 12, 2019, 08:59:11 AM
https://www.highpointnc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_06252019-304 (https://www.highpointnc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_06252019-304)
think i may have left out a character. should be good now. copied it straight from the page.
I think it was actually on my end, the connection lagged, because the old link also works now.
The re-routing of US-70 just got officially approved at the AASHTO Fall 2019 meeting last week, so NCDOT should eventually change out signs.
QuoteItem No. 15 ‐ State: North Carolina Route: U.S 70
Action: Relocation of a U.S. Route Between US 29/US 70 in Davidson County and US 29/US 70/US 220 in Guilford County.
Description: Currently, a portion of US 70 is routed along sections of I‐40, I‐ 85, US 29, and US 220 in Davidson, Randolph, and Guilford Counties. The proposed relocated section of US 70 will be concurrent with portions of NC 68, SR 1541/SR 2254 (Wendover Avenue), and US 220 in Guilford County. All the proposed routing will be on the National Highway System. It will provide another US route through the municipalities of Thomasville, High Point, and Greensboro to better serve these communities, serve as a numbered diversion route, aid in incident management, provide single route continuity, and simplify the freeway signing system. The proposed relocated routing of US 70 would provide an alternate primary availability to other parts of the county as well as diverting traffic from concurrent interstate routes. Both the Greensboro Urban Area and High Point Metropolitan Planning Organizations provided resolutions of support for this proposed relocation of US 70.
Affirmative with Condition
https://s3.amazonaws.com/v3-app_crowdc/assets/b/ba/ba708eca603c86f1/000_USRN_Agenda_and_List_of_Applications__AM_St_Louis__MO-2019_%28nc%29.original.1570033411.pdf?1570033413
I'm happy that US 70 will follow Wendover Avenue through Greensboro. There's a temptation to put all the route numbers on bypasses, but it's helpful to visitors to have a few primary routes going through the urban areas. I recall that Raleigh put US 70 on the bypass (I-440) for a time but then returned it to run through downtown.
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 12, 2019, 06:37:23 PM
I'm happy that US 70 will follow Wendover Avenue through Greensboro. There's a temptation to put all the route numbers on bypasses, but it's helpful to visitors to have a few primary routes going through the urban areas. I recall that Raleigh put US 70 on the bypass (I-440) for a time but then returned it to run through downtown.
Agreed. The only routing that follows the interstate in Raleigh anymore is US-64, and with I-87 coming to fruition and it taking over US-64's routing leaving the city to the north / east, it's time US-64 is routed back onto the old routing thru and outside of Raleigh.
Quote from: sprjus4 on October 12, 2019, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 12, 2019, 06:37:23 PM
I'm happy that US 70 will follow Wendover Avenue through Greensboro. There's a temptation to put all the route numbers on bypasses, but it's helpful to visitors to have a few primary routes going through the urban areas. I recall that Raleigh put US 70 on the bypass (I-440) for a time but then returned it to run through downtown.
Agreed. The only routing that follows the interstate in Raleigh anymore is US-64
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HVNZohEHhSimhL4Z9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/HVNZohEHhSimhL4Z9)
Quote from: sprjus4 on October 12, 2019, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 12, 2019, 06:37:23 PM
I'm happy that US 70 will follow Wendover Avenue through Greensboro. There's a temptation to put all the route numbers on bypasses, but it's helpful to visitors to have a few primary routes going through the urban areas. I recall that Raleigh put US 70 on the bypass (I-440) for a time but then returned it to run through downtown.
Agreed. The only routing that follows the interstate in Raleigh anymore is US-64, and with I-87 coming to fruition and it taking over US-64's routing leaving the city to the north / east, it's time US-64 is routed back onto the old routing thru and outside of Raleigh.
Agree with @LM117, US-1 is on the westside of the Beltline and when I-885 is open in Durham, US-70 is going to be on it and I-85, plus US-15 is on I-85 to just north of Falls Lake just north of Durham. US-70 is partially on I-40 from Garner to the bypass and would be on I-42 once signed as well.
Plus US-64 going back on it's old alignment would have going over and under I-87 multiple times and be exit signing nightmare.
Quote from: goobnav on October 13, 2019, 08:32:59 AM
Agree with @LM117, US-1 is on the westside of the Beltline and when I-885 is open in Durham, US-70 is going to be on it and I-85, plus US-15 is on I-85 to just north of Falls Lake just north of Durham. US-70 is partially on I-40 from Garner to the bypass and would be on I-42 once signed as well.
I missed US-1 it appears for the Raleigh area, but the others you mention are closer to Durham, not Raleigh.
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Plus US-64 going back on it's old alignment would have going over and under I-87 multiple times and be exit signing nightmare.
It only interchanges with the old road about 5 times on the route between Raleigh and Williamston. I don't see it being an issue. Look at I-95 for example, it crosses US-301 numerous times.
Quote from: sprjus4 on October 13, 2019, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: goobnav on October 13, 2019, 08:32:59 AM
Agree with @LM117, US-1 is on the westside of the Beltline and when I-885 is open in Durham, US-70 is going to be on it and I-85, plus US-15 is on I-85 to just north of Falls Lake just north of Durham. US-70 is partially on I-40 from Garner to the bypass and would be on I-42 once signed as well.
I missed US-1 it appears for the Raleigh area, but the others you mention are closer to Durham, not Raleigh.
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Plus US-64 going back on it's old alignment would have going over and under I-87 multiple times and be exit signing nightmare.
It only interchanges with the old road about 5 times on the route between Raleigh and Williamston. I don't see it being an issue. Look at I-95 for example, it crosses US-301 numerous times.
Durham or Raleigh just like Greensboro, US 70 being the exception, they weren't routed back to the old alignments, I drive on Future I-87/US 64 every 2 weeks, the old alignment of US 64 crosses current US 64 3 times, Wendell, Zebulon and Nashville, in the span 20 miles people will be confused. It's been on the current alignment for 20+ years, it can stay right where it is and lessen the confusion.
Greensboro is a different animal. At one point, Death Valley, aka Painter Blvd had 2 Interstates and 4 US routes, prior to the bypass being built.
Quote from: goobnav on October 13, 2019, 09:18:43 AM
I drive on Future I-87/US 64 every 2 weeks, the old alignment of US 64 crosses current US 64 3 times, Wendell, Zebulon and Nashville, in the span 20 miles people will be confused. It's been on the current alignment for 20+ years, it can stay right where it is and lessen the confusion.
The Future I-87 / US-64 freeway stretches 97 miles between I-440 and Williamston.
Over that course, the freeway has an interchange with US-64 Alt / Business only four times, and an additional 2 times the routes cross with no connections. They first two interchanges are 30 miles apart, the second and third are 14 miles apart, and the third and forth are 35 miles apart.
Exit 13 / Old Exit 429 - US-64 Business
Exit 458 - US-64 Alt / US-64 Business
Exit 472 - US-64 Alt / US-64 Business
Exit 507 - US-64 Alt
I didn't count the two "overlaps" (where the route merges and defaults as US-64 then leave again) between Exits 461 and Exit 457, and also Exits 485 and 486, as those could easily be routed on parallel surface roads and not have to meet the freeway.
I-95 has a similar situation - over its 182 mile course, it interchanges with US-301 six different times and has an "overlap" near Lumberton.
Exit 1 - US-301
Exit 10 - US-301 (southern end of overlap)
Exit 22 - US-301 (northern end of overlap)
Exit 25 - US-301
Exit 33 - US-301
Exit 107 - US-301
Another example is I-77 and US-21. I'm not going to spend the time to look at the specifics as I did with I-95 and I-87, but simply looking at a map, you can see they cross and interchange at least 5 different times.
Quote from: goobnav on October 13, 2019, 08:32:59 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on October 12, 2019, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 12, 2019, 06:37:23 PM
I'm happy that US 70 will follow Wendover Avenue through Greensboro. There's a temptation to put all the route numbers on bypasses, but it's helpful to visitors to have a few primary routes going through the urban areas. I recall that Raleigh put US 70 on the bypass (I-440) for a time but then returned it to run through downtown.
Agreed. The only routing that follows the interstate in Raleigh anymore is US-64, and with I-87 coming to fruition and it taking over US-64's routing leaving the city to the north / east, it's time US-64 is routed back onto the old routing thru and outside of Raleigh.
Agree with @LM117, US-1 is on the westside of the Beltline and when I-885 is open in Durham, US-70 is going to be on it and I-85, plus US-15 is on I-85 to just north of Falls Lake just north of Durham.
Comments on Durham:
(1) US 15, US 70, and US 501 all have Business routes through downtown Durham.
(2) US 15/501 coincides with I-85 on the north side of downtown but then splits off on a freeway west of Duke University, so the short overlap with I-85 is necessary.
(3) When I-885 opens it will no longer be necessary for US 70 to coincide with the interstates; it could go back to the Business 70 routing through town, although I don't think it will.
(4) Finally, the overlap of US 15 with I-85 northeast of Durham to Falls Lake is necessary because there actually is no other route for it to take; the interstate must have wiped out its former route.
Quote from: wdcrft63(3) When I-885 opens it will no longer be necessary for US 70 to coincide with the interstates; it could go back to the Business 70 routing through town, although I don't think it will.
HIGHLY doubtful. General US route policy states that routes should follow the straightest and best (i.e. highest quality) roads. Can't get much higher quality than an all-freeway routing.
That said, the approval for US 70 between Greensboro and High Point suggests that US route relocations onto roads on the National Highway System (which as of MAP-21 includes roads with a functional classification of Principal Arterial) is acceptable. However, no such east-west roads exist in Durham between I-85 and NC 147. So if there was to be a US 70 Durham relocation, one option would be to move it onto the East End Connector for one exit, then have it replace NC 147 out to I-85. That would reduce its concurrencies with I-85 and I-885 to one exit each.
Quote(4) Finally, the overlap of US 15 with I-85 northeast of Durham to Falls Lake is necessary because there actually is no other route for it to take; the interstate must have wiped out its former route.
Only over Falls Lake proper. Southwest of Falls Lake, Geer Street is the pre-Interstate US 15 routing.
Quote from: froggie on October 13, 2019, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63(3) When I-885 opens it will no longer be necessary for US 70 to coincide with the interstates; it could go back to the Business 70 routing through town, although I don't think it will.
HIGHLY doubtful. General US route policy states that routes should follow the straightest and best (i.e. highest quality) roads. Can't get much higher quality than an all-freeway routing.
Tell that to US-117 when it was re-routed from the I-795 freeway onto surface routing. Also, any US route that follows a surface road that's paralleled by a freeway.
The latter are, almost without exception, grandfathered in because they were never moved in the first place. The former was a violation of AASHTO's own policies...but for whatever reason they chose to approve that move.
Quote from: sprjus4 on October 13, 2019, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 13, 2019, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63(3) When I-885 opens it will no longer be necessary for US 70 to coincide with the interstates; it could go back to the Business 70 routing through town, although I don't think it will.
HIGHLY doubtful. General US route policy states that routes should follow the straightest and best (i.e. highest quality) roads. Can't get much higher quality than an all-freeway routing.
Tell that to US-117 when it was re-routed from the I-795 freeway onto surface routing.
A little OT, but one thing I never understood is why NCDOT didn't just go for the I-795 designation from the get-go rather than go through the trouble of playing musical chairs with US-117. I'm glad that US-117 was put back on it's old alignment, though.
Funny thing is that Wayne County had proposed that the freeway become I-795 back in 2001 when it was still under construction, but NCDOT wasn't interested until after the freeway opened in 2006 and trucks over 48 ft. kept getting pulled over. I-795 is the only fairly recent interstate where "economic development" wasn't the driving factor for it's designation. Obviously, attitudes have changed since then.
AASHTO didn't approve moving 117 back. Nobody cares so it was done anyway.
Since major portions of the Greensboro Urban Loop have been completed, has anyone noticed a significant reduction in congestion on the still-existing Interstate 40 and pre-existing Interstate 85 alignments? I'd imagine that local traffic would continue to use the original alignments, while most through traffic would move to the Urban Loop. I assume that is what happens when new alignments are built that bypass previously existing alignments.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 14, 2019, 01:58:29 PM
Since major portions of the Greensboro Urban Loop have been completed, has anyone noticed a significant reduction in congestion on the still-existing Interstate 40 and pre-existing Interstate 85 alignments? I'd imagine that local traffic would continue to use the original alignments, while most through traffic would move to the Urban Loop. I assume that is what happens when new alignments are built that bypass previously existing alignments.
Yes and no. People still drive through I-40 going through Death Valley and congestion is still there, especially between I-40/ I-85 Business split and I-40/I-85 Business US 29/70/220 split. However, that section is going to be rebuilt in the next few years.
The Business I-85 section is still also signed as US 29/70, so yeah many local and through traffic still uses that road.
I will bet that as soon as the ENTIRE I-840 is finished, traffic will be reduced in certain areas around Greensboro. I don't know how many percentage of reduction it would be.
The next section between Battleground Avenue and Lawndale Drive is scheduled to open on December 31.
https://www.wfmynews2.com/mobile/article/traffic/new-greensboro-urban-loop-i-840-to-open-traffic/83-ba29c9a3-3503-4a69-9708-89ee5bb86d2b (https://www.wfmynews2.com/mobile/article/traffic/new-greensboro-urban-loop-i-840-to-open-traffic/83-ba29c9a3-3503-4a69-9708-89ee5bb86d2b)
The segment of the Loop from US 220/Battleground Ave to Lawndale Dr opened this afternoon, 1 day ahead of schedule. Despite the ending now not being at a numbered route, it is signed as I-840. Here's the East I-840 reassurance marker after the US 220 exit, courtesy of Strider:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi840str1219aw.JPG&hash=86a14dcc870d6d85e5694f18e5e68d46b8245983)
I have posted other photos of his at my Future Interstates Greensboro Loop page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
News broadcast regarding the opening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2_O_xyFrL4
The signage at US-220 Battleground Ave to I-840 reads "I-840 East - To Lawndale Dr" with space open for another route number, likely "To US-29" or "To I-785" in the future.
The footage also features an aerial shot of the US-220 interchange.
(https://i.ibb.co/brg2JkW/I840-US220-Interchange.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/xCqF1bQ/To-Lawndale-Dr.png)
It's nice of how it opened before New Years! :) That just leaves the section from Lawndale to US 29.
Fun Fact: If the connection from I-40 to I-73 was built, there would be a lot of traffic on the northern part of the Greensboro Urban Loop. That would make a second bypass of Greensboro! :)
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 10:44:54 PM
Fun Fact: If the connection from I-40 to I-73 was built, there would be a lot of traffic on the northern part of the Greensboro Urban Loop.
How would a connection between I-40 and I-73 bring a lot of traffic to I-840? Traffic can already access it via I-40 to I-73 directly.
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2019, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 10:44:54 PM
Fun Fact: If the connection from I-40 to I-73 was built, there would be a lot of traffic on the northern part of the Greensboro Urban Loop.
How would a connection between I-40 and I-73 bring a lot of traffic to I-840? Traffic can already access it via I-40 to I-73 directly.
http://prntscr.com/qhrt8i
This was what I was thinking when you look at (Bypass 2).
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 10:50:37 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2019, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 10:44:54 PM
Fun Fact: If the connection from I-40 to I-73 was built, there would be a lot of traffic on the northern part of the Greensboro Urban Loop.
How would a connection between I-40 and I-73 bring a lot of traffic to I-840? Traffic can already access it via I-40 to I-73 directly.
http://prntscr.com/qhrt8i
This was what I was thinking when you look at (Bypass 2).
Potentially...
The current I-40 through is 19 minutes, the southern loop is 22 minutes, the completed northern loop would be 26 minutes, and a connector + northern loop would be 23 minutes.
I wouldn't say a "lot" of traffic, but could be a draw.
These signs are to be placed on either end of the urban loop to provide route and time options for travelers between either end of the city on I-40 via I-840, I-40, or I-73 and I-85. More than likely, I-40 and I-73 / I-85 will continue to be the preferred east-west routes, with I-840 acting more as a local route and connection to I-785 / US-29 north, though could be useful if anything were to ever happen that chokes both the southern loop and I-40 straight thru.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi840destmileagesignplan2.jpg&hash=cf69e9737d6dd56603e5cdf9942f1143bc4fccaa)
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2019, 10:35:31 PM
The signage at US-220 Battleground Ave to I-840 reads "I-840 East - To Lawndale Dr" with space open for another route number, likely "To US-29" or "To I-785" in the future.
(https://i.ibb.co/xCqF1bQ/To-Lawndale-Dr.png)
The signage plans do indicate that there will be a "To I-785" shield there, and that "To Lawndale Drive" will be replaced with "Raleigh" (which will be signed all the way from the I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange). Similarly, Winston-Salem will be signed westbound starting from the interchange with US 29. Danville is already signed northbound on I-785/Future I-840 between I-40/85 and US 29, and that won't change.
The new section is showing up on Google Maps, though it's not marked as a freeway.
Quote from: LM117 on January 09, 2020, 07:56:07 AM
The new section is showing up on Google Maps, though it's not marked as a freeway.
It will likely change eventually, the segment of upgraded US-220 to I-73 north of the city was like this, and changed to freeway. It being designated as an interstate may be the reason why it switches once the system processes it.
For traffic heading towards Greensboro from the east, I-840 will provide some time savings to PTI Airport. I hope I-840 is signed to reflect the time savings as it will further reduce traffic through Death Valley.
Quote from: tjcreasy on January 09, 2020, 02:34:48 PM
For traffic heading towards Greensboro from the east, I-840 will provide some time savings to PTI Airport. I hope I-840 is signed to reflect the time savings as it will further reduce traffic through Death Valley.
They will be putting dynamic travel time signs on I-40 on each side of the city listing times to the other side via I-40 through downtown, the I-73/85 southern loop, and I-840. I-840 will also be signed for Winston-Salem and Raleigh in their respective directions, but only starting from I-785 and Friendly Avenue, respectively, and not from the termini at I-40.
Understood, but that specific sign won't mean much to motorist headed to PTI.
The signage for I-540 on the east side at I-87 includes "RDU Airport", encouraging traffic to go around the northern loop to enter the airport.
It'll be a similar situation in Greensboro presumably, with or without signage.
I checked the signing plans and didn't see any mention of the airport at the eastern terminus of 840, so I don't know.
Link to a drone video shot yesterday showing progress in constructing I-840 west of US 29:
https://youtu.be/9QaZHEfMVPM (https://youtu.be/9QaZHEfMVPM)
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 09, 2020, 06:14:56 PM
I checked the signing plans and didn't see any mention of the airport at the eastern terminus of 840, so I don't know.
It isn't listed because I-840 isn't fully completed yet. Can't sign that shows any mention of the airport that way. They're more likely to put it when I-840 is fully completed.
Quote from: Strider on January 10, 2020, 03:19:46 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 09, 2020, 06:14:56 PM
I checked the signing plans and didn't see any mention of the airport at the eastern terminus of 840, so I don't know.
It isn't listed because I-840 isn't fully completed yet. Can't sign that shows any mention of the airport that way. They're more likely to put it when I-840 is fully completed.
I should've specified, but I meant the signing plans for U-2525C, the last segment between Lawndale and US 29, which also includes the dynamic travel time signs for all three travel options across the area. When it's finished and all the signage is installed, I-840
will be fully completed.
Why no flyover from.29/785 south to 840 clockwise.
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on January 10, 2020, 07:00:47 PM
Why no flyover from.29/785 south to 840 clockwise.
It was probably designed before I-785 was planned (or at least certain to follow the loop; perhaps it was once intended to follow US 29 and former Business 85 through Greensboro), and they didn't think the movement would be heavy enough to justify increasing the cost and complexity of the pair of interchanges by adding another flyover and keeping the other needed one.
A very very long time ago I-785 was supposed to follow US 29 to what is now Business 85. I would imagine this was way before the state decided to relocate I-85 through Greensboro.
Are there any plans to upgrade the small segment of US-29 between I-840 and Cone Blvd to freeway standards? The segment from Cone Blvd down to I-40, while substandard, is a freeway, and closing that short gap would only make sense in the long-run, especially as I-785 is completed between I-840 and Danville.
Improvements along the substandard freeway portion should also be studied, such as providing continuous right paved shoulders, better signage, limited-access fencing, etc. The segment from Gate City Blvd to I-40 is mostly updated, including good signage, paved shoulders, etc. but not so much north of there.
It's an old roadway, but is built to freeway standards, and is a valuable piece of infrastructure in the local road network, and should be maintained and improved upon as a piece in the freeway system. Right now, it seems merely treated as a surface arterial that happens to have grade separations and interchanges.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 10, 2020, 10:52:31 PM
Are there any plans to upgrade the small segment of US-29 between I-840 and Cone Blvd to freeway standards? The segment from Cone Blvd down to I-40, while substandard, is a freeway, and closing that short gap would only make sense in the long-run, especially as I-785 is completed between I-840 and Danville.
Improvements along the substandard freeway portion should also be studied, such as providing continuous right paved shoulders, better signage, limited-access fencing, etc.
It's an old roadway, but is built to freeway standards, and is a valuable piece of infrastructure in the local road network, and should be maintained and improved upon as a piece in the freeway system. Right now, it seems merely treated as a surface arterial that happens to have grade separations and interchanges.
The three lanes of southbound throughput through the interchange with I-840 suggest eventual plans to upgrade the entire thing to a modern six-lane freeway, though it's not an active plan as far as I'm aware.
On the topic of substandard Greensboro freeways that deserve upgrades to modern standards, I wish it were remotely feasible to extend the Wendover Avenue freeway down to I-40. The whole thing would make a nice 3di.
I've posted a new set of photos taken along the currently open sections of I-840 and I-785 by David Johnson. Here's the signage at the US 220/Battleground Avenue exit heading east put up when the Loop was extended to Lawndale Drive:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi840dj720c.jpg&hash=ef0f411175a44fef3d930b1344fe914a9460eafb)
Other photos can be found at: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
A couple photos courtesy of Strider showing progress constructing the I-840 Greensboro Loop between Lawndale Drive and North Elm Street. Photos taken looking east then west from the recently opened Lake Jeanette Road bridge over the future interstate:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Ffut840str720a.JPG&hash=74a2c727e14ebb5669c6605f9c2329b04672922b)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Ffut840str720b.JPG&hash=061da91d16fe1aca53292e1b6751aac4d331ba86)
This section is still planned to be opened by the end of the year.
I've posted a couple new drone videos of Greensboro Loop construction taken last week by Heliflyer on my Future Loop page: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos)
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 30, 2019, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2019, 10:35:31 PM
The signage at US-220 Battleground Ave to I-840 reads "I-840 East - To Lawndale Dr" with space open for another route number, likely "To US-29" or "To I-785" in the future.
(https://i.ibb.co/xCqF1bQ/To-Lawndale-Dr.png)
The signage plans do indicate that there will be a "To I-785" shield there, and that "To Lawndale Drive" will be replaced with "Raleigh" (which will be signed all the way from the I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange). Similarly, Winston-Salem will be signed westbound starting from the interchange with US 29. Danville is already signed northbound on I-785/Future I-840 between I-40/85 and US 29, and that won't change.
Can you believe that Georgia has no informational overheads on any highways or junctions with interstates? Even in Atlanta, the most that we get is a tiny lane sign with an interstate shield to know where to turn. And those tiny signs are neglected for decades and not replaced at 60% or more interstate junctions across the state.
NC spends millions upon millions more just for these overheads on non-interstate roads. Be glad.
Maybe the US 220 north sign should have had a control city on it, such as Summerfield or even Madison. Martinsville and Roanoke are probably too far away.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 24, 2020, 09:07:29 PM
Maybe the US 220 north sign should have had a control city on it, such as Summerfield or even Madison. Martinsville and Roanoke are probably too far away.
Not too far... its signed on Wendover Ave. They used to have a different sign... with just a Big Shield 220 and Roanoke on it.... not sure how long ago this replacement sign was put up.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0887431,-79.8025656,3a,75y,288h,84.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sn3JAlYlk3Sng6QRy7phv_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: Love2drive on September 24, 2020, 10:53:58 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 24, 2020, 09:07:29 PM
Maybe the US 220 north sign should have had a control city on it, such as Summerfield or even Madison. Martinsville and Roanoke are probably too far away.
Not too far... its signed on Wendover Ave. They used to have a different sign... with just a Big Shield 220 and Roanoke on it.... not sure how long ago this replacement sign was put up.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0887431,-79.8025656,3a,75y,288h,84.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sn3JAlYlk3Sng6QRy7phv_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
At that rate, I'd follow Wendover to Bryan to I-73 past the airport.
Quote from: Strider on October 14, 2019, 02:51:18 PM
I will bet that as soon as the ENTIRE I-840 is finished, traffic will be reduced in certain areas around Greensboro. I don't know how many percentage of reduction it would be.
Well, I suppose that depends somewhat on how many people visit Emerald Pointe waterpark next summer. :-D
There have been a few incidents in recent months were 29 South was shut down and they had to detour traffic onto city roads. There was an incident in particular maybe last month where there was a incident south of Gate City .. and they had to detour traffic onto Gate City West to Benbow Road to get to MLK to get back onto 29. I haven't been on 29 south north of the 785 interchange to see if they have put up any of those Variable Message Signs that could direct through traffic to use 785 to get to either 40 West or 85 South. That would be useful
^
I don't know, but the control city for the I-785 segment of the loop is Charlotte, so NCDOT already intends through traffic to use I-785 South to I-85 South around the eastern and southern side of the city vs. US-29 to I-40 to I-85 Business to I-85 South. The former route is shorter, though the latter route is 65 - 70 mph interstate highway and avoids the city vs. 55 - 60 mph divided highway / urban interstate highway. The I-785 segment of the loop ought to be increased from 65 mph to 70 mph similar to how the I-85 leg was a few years back.
Unless 29 is down-graded, Google and Waze will continue to direct traffic down 29. Most people aren't going to take a route that's 6 miles longer and 4-5 minutes slower, especially now that you have technology to get you where you're going instead of signs. NCDOT could maybe make 785/840 the truck route and place restrictions on 29 to help remove some through trucks from the weaves through Death Valley.
I wonder if that single lane ramp from 73/840 to 40 west will turn into a bottleneck one day like 485 to 85 south on the west side of Charlotte. DOT just doesn't seem to learn.
I frequently commute on the west side of the loop from Bryan Blvd to Wendover Ave. It's a pretty smooth ride, but I think the southbound section from Friendly Ave to Wendover Ave could have been built better. Merging on to the loop (going south) from the Friendly Ave interchange can be tricky with a lot of traffic wanting to exit onto I-40 and the merge lane from F.A. ending prematurely and then 2 tenths of a mile later a lane opens up for I-40 exit traffic.
Why not extend the Friendly Ave merge lane and make it an auxiliary lane so Friendly Ave and I-40 traffic have more time and capacity to get on and off the loop?
Also having only one exit lane from I-840 south to I-40 is terrible and only going to get worse as traffic increases on the west/NW side of Greensboro, but silly NCDOT opens the ramp up to 3 lanes as soon as it gets off I-840.
Another thing that bugs me is the fact that thru traffic on the Loop goes from 3 lanes to 2 lanes and then has to merge onto the travel lanes that are coming in from I-40 eastbound. This is a more minor issue than the 2 others I have mentioned, but still keeping a 3rd lane would be nice, sometimes I do encounter a left lane hog who wants to match speeds instead of passing a car in the right lane.
The next section of I-840 from Lawndale Drive to Elm Street is expected to open on December 23.
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/new-section-of-greensboro-urban-loop-to-open-this-month/83-ee51b431-6be4-403f-9248-4c57b77ea73c (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/new-section-of-greensboro-urban-loop-to-open-this-month/83-ee51b431-6be4-403f-9248-4c57b77ea73c)
I find it interesting that at the interchange of I-840, I-785, and US 29, that 840 East to 785/29 North gets a flyover ramp, but I-785 South has to squeeze through a 270-degree ramp to get through that interchange.
Just a hunch, but my guess is there weren't enough projected trips to justify a fly over. Most southbound trips from Reidsville and Danville are Greensboro bound. NC 86 will likely remain the route of choice for Danville traffic headed towards Raleigh-Durham.
That or I-785 was rerouted at the last minute and was originally intended to go through town, or end at I-85 in town if it hadn't been rerouted onto the southeast part of the loop. I-73 goes through a loop for a similar reason.
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 04, 2020, 11:41:00 PM
That or I-785 was rerouted at the last minute and was originally intended to go through town, or end at I-85 in town if it hadn't been rerouted onto the southeast part of the loop. I-73 goes through a loop for a similar reason.
The I-840/US 29 interchange has always been planned like this with the flyover going from I-840 East to US 29 North. As far as I know.... they didn't state a reason of why, but I could ask around.
As for I-73 going through a loop, I-73 was originally proposed to continue straight to I-40 instead of using the Loop and follow I-40 towards NC 68 before turning up north along NC 68, but plans changed after I-85 Bypass was built as they decided to put I-73 along the Loop (with former I-40 before it was returned to the original route).
The new section from Lawndale Drive to North Elm Street opened this afternoon. They now expect the last segment to be completed in early 2023 (previous reports had it in the fall of 2022):
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-12-23-greensboro-urban-loop-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-12-23-greensboro-urban-loop-section-opens.aspx)
Once the Greensboro Urban Loop is completed, they can tackle turning US 29 north of the GUL into Interstate 785, as has been planned since way back in 1997. Having the 785 designation disappear into thin air at Exit 14 will as awkward as letting Interstate 95 vanish on the north side of Trenton was from 1983 to 2018.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 23, 2020, 06:31:14 PMHaving the 785 designation disappear into thin air at Exit 14 will as awkward as letting Interstate 95 vanish on the north side of Trenton was from 1983 to 2018.
That's a huge exaggeration. I-95 is a major mainline interstate, the backbone of the East Coast. I-785 isn't anywhere near that.
Quote from: bob7374 on December 23, 2020, 05:06:54 PM
The new section from Lawndale Drive to North Elm Street opened this afternoon. They now expect the last segment to be completed in early 2023 (previous reports had it in the fall of 2022):
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-12-23-greensboro-urban-loop-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-12-23-greensboro-urban-loop-section-opens.aspx)
I've posted photos taken by Strider the day after the opening, here is one of the 2 new reassurance markers:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i840str1220f.jpg)
Most of the other signs, including exit signs, have not been put up yet. The rest of the photos are at:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
Fixed the img code for ya bob7374. ;)
Looks like imagery on google earth has been updated.
It has been updated to September 21, 2020.
The Winston Salem belt is updated as well
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on March 23, 2021, 06:25:55 PM
The Winston Salem belt is updated as well
That too yeah. It stretches to High Point as well
Back in the news, NCDOT will be closing North Elm Street for I-840 Loop construction:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-09-20-elm-street-greensboro-loop-closed.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-09-20-elm-street-greensboro-loop-closed.aspx)
Does anyone still refer to the Greensboro Urban Loop as Painter Boulevard, which was the Loop's original name?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 21, 2021, 09:05:55 PM
Does anyone still refer to the Greensboro Urban Loop as Painter Boulevard, which was the Loop's original name?
Not since 1995 (the day the ROD was approved for I-85 Bypass). Since then, it is called I-840/I-785, I-73 and I-85. Greensboro Urban Loop is the official name.
The Speed Limit has been raised from 65 to 70 on the Loop from the split with I-85 (Grandover area) all the way around until Battleground Ave. It is still 65 from Battleground to Elm Street. Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
It has always been 70 MPH on the southeast side of the loop (concurrency with I-85).
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
The Speed Limit has been raised from 65 to 70 on the Loop from the split with I-85 (Grandover area) all the way around until Battleground Ave. It is still 65 from Battleground to Elm Street. Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
It has always been 70 MPH on the southeast side of the loop (concurrency with I-85).
That's super weird. The least traffic, we'll designed...why, ncdot?
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
The Speed Limit has been raised from 65 to 70 on the Loop from the split with I-85 (Grandover area) all the way around until Battleground Ave. It is still 65 from Battleground to Elm Street. Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
It has always been 70 MPH on the southeast side of the loop (concurrency with I-85).
To be honest, that section of the loop they just increased was the last section I expected them to (I-73 portion south of I-40). It's got more curvature and is more urban... I was expecting 65 mph to be permanent.
Especially when they still won't increase I-40/I-85 east of Greensboro to 70 mph, or I-73 south and north of Greensboro, I-74, US-421, etc. but can do this.
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
The Speed Limit has been raised from 65 to 70 on the Loop from the split with I-85 (Grandover area) all the way around until Battleground Ave. It is still 65 from Battleground to Elm Street. Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
It has always been 70 MPH on the southeast side of the loop (concurrency with I-85).
I remember it changing from
65 (https://goo.gl/maps/ik3ds8oruy4QTnSL8) to
70 (https://goo.gl/maps/3qEcdnx1rx7zMfr69) a few years ago... unless it wasn't considered a loop then.
The latest Construction Progress Report has the Greensboro Loop segment between US 29 and North Elm Street over 75% complete. The official completion date is still July 2023. I have updated my Future Greensboro Loop page with new construction photos taken this past June and July from Google Maps Street View images, available at: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
To see what progress has been made since the summer, check out the links to 2 new videos taken this past week at:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos)
A few months ago it DID make me ask why the speed limit on the southwestern portion on the beltway is posted at 65 mph and not 70.
Now NCDOT is thinking BIG time here. According to this (https://www.greensboro-nc.gov/home/showdocument?id=4967) document listed in page 4, it has a design speed of 70 mph. The Knightdale Bypass also has a design speed of 70 mph and it was once posted at 65 mph and then raised to 70 mph. But these days, they built 75 mph design speeds.
Quote from: bob7374 on December 09, 2021, 11:48:16 PM
The latest Construction Progress Report has the Greensboro Loop segment between US 29 and North Elm Street over 75% complete. The official completion date is still July 2023.
Well, given that pretty much all of the bridges are up, I can see this opening late next year.
I'm getting the same video on both new links
Project update on the final section.
https://greensboro.com/news/local/final-leg-of-greensboro-urban-loop-is-taking-shape/article_8f945490-6e81-11ec-973a-c786b0d44484.html#tracking-source=home-top-story (https://greensboro.com/news/local/final-leg-of-greensboro-urban-loop-is-taking-shape/article_8f945490-6e81-11ec-973a-c786b0d44484.html#tracking-source=home-top-story)
Quote from: LM117 on January 10, 2022, 02:51:41 PM
Project update on the final section.
https://greensboro.com/news/local/final-leg-of-greensboro-urban-loop-is-taking-shape/article_8f945490-6e81-11ec-973a-c786b0d44484.html#tracking-source=home-top-story (https://greensboro.com/news/local/final-leg-of-greensboro-urban-loop-is-taking-shape/article_8f945490-6e81-11ec-973a-c786b0d44484.html#tracking-source=home-top-story)
Seen that, and now it has been moved up to spring 2023 it says...
QuoteThat portion is expected to open to motorists in spring 2023.
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.
I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.
Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.
Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would
not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.
Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 22, 2022, 08:53:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.
I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.
Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.
Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.
Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
I have to agree with all of this. I would add I-74 too, as well as the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway once it's fully opened to US-52. I feel like sometimes an engineer cannot think straight at some times...
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 22, 2022, 08:53:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.
I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.
Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.
Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.
Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
I have to agree with all of this. I would add I-74 too, as well as the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway once it's fully opened to US-52. I feel like sometimes an engineer cannot think straight at some times...
Agreed.
I feel like the beltway, at minimum, will be increased to 70 mph. However, the rest of I-74 south of Winston-Salem to Asheboro should also be increased to 70 mph.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 22, 2022, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 22, 2022, 08:53:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.
I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.
Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.
Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.
Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
I have to agree with all of this. I would add I-74 too, as well as the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway once it's fully opened to US-52. I feel like sometimes an engineer cannot think straight at some times...
Agreed.
I feel like the beltway, at minimum, will be increased to 70 mph. However, the rest of I-74 south of Winston-Salem to Asheboro should also be increased to 70 mph.
Now, how about the Winston-Salem bypass on the east side? this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.097444,-80.0132435/36.0649911,-80.1873592/@36.0757722,-80.1404866,12.75z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) is the side that I'm referring to.
I'm scratching my head on this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.0677862,-79.9216298/36.0965936,-80.0100945/@36.0726215,-80.01963,12.25z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) one. Should it be 70 mph? It was rebuilt and widened in the early 2000s so I don't see a reason why it should be 70. It's currently 65... You are barely in the city limits of Greensboro so they should go on and do it...
^ That whole segment could be 70 mph reasonably.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 22, 2022, 10:13:51 PM
^ That whole segment could be 70 mph reasonably.
Yeah because people drive well over 65.
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 09:37:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 22, 2022, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 22, 2022, 08:53:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.
I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.
Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.
Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.
Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
I have to agree with all of this. I would add I-74 too, as well as the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway once it's fully opened to US-52. I feel like sometimes an engineer cannot think straight at some times...
Agreed.
I feel like the beltway, at minimum, will be increased to 70 mph. However, the rest of I-74 south of Winston-Salem to Asheboro should also be increased to 70 mph.
Now, how about the Winston-Salem bypass on the east side? this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.097444,-80.0132435/36.0649911,-80.1873592/@36.0757722,-80.1404866,12.75z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) is the side that I'm referring to.
I'm scratching my head on this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.0677862,-79.9216298/36.0965936,-80.0100945/@36.0726215,-80.01963,12.25z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) one. Should it be 70 mph? It was rebuilt and widened in the early 2000s so I don't see a reason why it should be 70. It's currently 65... You are barely in the city limits of Greensboro so they should go on and do it...
The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 22, 2022, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 04, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
Yes, and after I-840 is finished from Elm to US 29/I-785, They just might raise the speed limit to 70 mph so the whole beltway is 70 mph all around.
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2022, 09:38:07 PM
The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I'd argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.
Quote
As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn't restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2022, 09:38:07 PM
The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I'd argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.
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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn't restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.
The SW portion of the loop (I-73) has always been planned to be 70 mph for a long awhile. They are not going to put 70 mph on I-40 west of The loop. It is never in the plans. The same goes for the portion of I-40 between W-S and Greensboro unless they widen that part then that's a maybe. I live in the area and hear about it all the time. That's my argument.
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2022, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2022, 09:38:07 PM
The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I'd argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.
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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn't restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.
The SW portion of the loop (I-73) has always been planned to be 70 mph for a long awhile. They are not going to put 70 mph on I-40 west of The loop. It is never in the plans. The same goes for the portion of I-40 between W-S and Greensboro unless they widen that part then that's a maybe. I live in the area and hear about it all the time. That's my argument.
It's clearly 70 mph when looking at this: https://goo.gl/maps/xYFZrFJUPKqLok1Q8
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 05, 2022, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2022, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2022, 09:38:07 PM
The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I'd argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.
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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn't restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.
The SW portion of the loop (I-73) has always been planned to be 70 mph for a long awhile. They are not going to put 70 mph on I-40 west of The loop. It is never in the plans. The same goes for the portion of I-40 between W-S and Greensboro unless they widen that part then that's a maybe. I live in the area and hear about it all the time. That's my argument.
It's clearly 70 mph when looking at this: https://goo.gl/maps/xYFZrFJUPKqLok1Q8
That's the loop... not I-40 west of the loop...
December 2021 imagery shows 65 mph on that segment.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0949339,-80.0055486,3a,60.2y,120.62h,85.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st5MVP0WtrzKFotTqqXZxmg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 05, 2022, 06:33:14 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 05, 2022, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2022, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2022, 09:38:07 PM
The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I'd argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.
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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn't restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.
The SW portion of the loop (I-73) has always been planned to be 70 mph for a long awhile. They are not going to put 70 mph on I-40 west of The loop. It is never in the plans. The same goes for the portion of I-40 between W-S and Greensboro unless they widen that part then that's a maybe. I live in the area and hear about it all the time. That's my argument.
It's clearly 70 mph when looking at this: https://goo.gl/maps/xYFZrFJUPKqLok1Q8
That's the loop... not I-40 west of the loop...
December 2021 imagery shows 65 mph on that segment.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0949339,-80.0055486,3a,60.2y,120.62h,85.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st5MVP0WtrzKFotTqqXZxmg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
Forgot to say the southwestern part of I-73...
I took time out from returning from Durham last month to view the construction progress on completing the Greensboro Loop (Future I-840) last month, here's a view of the future I-840 east interchange with US 29 (Future I-785 North):
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i840const1022c.jpg)
More photos between US 29 and the future exit at Yanceyville Street are at:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
The entire loop could finally be finished by mid-January instead of later in the Spring... The entire I-840 could be signed sooner than later.
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-last-stretch-to-open-in-january-2023-ncdot-says/83-6b8649fa-9433-419e-850d-5d3a38c0749f
Official announcement from NCDOT says the final leg of I-840, from N. Elm St. to US-29, will be completed on January 23rd, 2023. As long as weather allows.
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on January 11, 2023, 05:04:22 PM
Official announcement from NCDOT says the final leg of I-840, from N. Elm St. to US-29, will be completed on January 23rd, 2023. As long as weather allows.
Meanwhile, as part of the process in preparing for the last section to open, traffic on No. Elm Street headed north can now use its own ramp to access I-840 West as of tomorrow (1/12):
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-01-11-new-traffic-pattern-urban-loop-project.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-01-11-new-traffic-pattern-urban-loop-project.aspx)
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on January 11, 2023, 05:04:22 PM
Official announcement from NCDOT says the final leg of I-840, from N. Elm St. to US-29, will be completed on January 23rd, 2023. As long as weather allows.
The announcement:
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-to-open-jan-23-nc/83-5d216bd2-9830-487d-8636-c8c7f9d3731d (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-to-open-jan-23-nc/83-5d216bd2-9830-487d-8636-c8c7f9d3731d)
There is a very nice video of drone footage from the Greensboro News & Record that can be seen here -- https://greensboro.com/news/local/north-elm-street-traffic-can-use-new-ramp-to-access-i-840-on-friday/article_e091bca6-9267-11ed-bb45-e373a99e42ab.html (https://greensboro.com/news/local/north-elm-street-traffic-can-use-new-ramp-to-access-i-840-on-friday/article_e091bca6-9267-11ed-bb45-e373a99e42ab.html)
The opening of the Greensboro Loop is still scheduled for Monday, 1/23. A newly released video by Heliflyer shows the road apparently set to open with most signage in place. This includes a I-785 South/I-840 East pull through approaching the US 29 exit seen in this still from the video:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i785i840signonvideo12022.jpg)
I was hoping for Durham instead of Raleigh, but at least that appears on signage at the I-40/I-85 exit.
To view the video yourself, go to: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos)
Quote from: bob7374 on January 20, 2023, 09:59:00 PM
The opening of the Greensboro Loop is still scheduled for Monday, 1/23. A newly released video by Heliflyer shows the road apparently set to open with most signage in place. This includes a I-785 South/I-840 East pull through approaching the US 29 exit seen in this still from the video:
File this under "Jumped the gun": I need to go to downtown Greensboro sometime in the near future, so I checked out the location. Ducky is back to using AppleMaps and they were showing the entire Greensboro Urban Loop completed as of yesterday afternoon. I highly suspect that AppleMaps has been watching the GPS data from onboard the contractor vehicles (and perhaps NCDOT vehicles) as they make their way around testing the ride on the unopened freeway. Anyhow, I decided to wait until next week and possibly clinch the Loop (as well as the one tiny extension of I-73 to the north).
It's open!
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e)
QuoteYou'll be able to drive the 49-mile loop around the Gate City and it should be roughly a 20-minute commute.
Wow! One would have to travel approximately 147 mph to make 49 miles in 20 minutes.
The loop is 39 miles long (I-840, I-85, I-73) and would take approximately 33 minutes to travel at the posted 70 mph speed limit (assuming the last 65 mph zone between US-29 and I-85/I-40 east is increased).
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
It's open!
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e)
NCDOT press release. See if you spot the same mistake I saw...
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx)
I am so glad the Loop is finally complete! NCDOT still have a couple of months to put up finishing touches (changing signages, adding new signages, and etc.) which should be completed by Spring 2023. And yes, that includes removing Business I-85 and US 70 shields and rerouting US 70 to Wendover Ave, follow NC 68 through High Point towards Thomasville and US 29 (Business I-85 shields will be removed along that road as well)
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
It's open!
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e)
NCDOT press release. See if you spot the same mistake I saw...
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx)
Two of them.
The first being the I-840 designation extending to I-85, and the second being that the loop is 49 miles long. Where does that number come from?
Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show the completed Interstate 840 yet: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1466422,-79.7672615,3703m/data=!3m1!1e3. Since it only opened today, that's not surprising. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long until Google Maps acknowledges the completed Greensboro Urban Loop.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
It's open!
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e)
NCDOT press release. See if you spot the same mistake I saw...
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx)
Two of them.
The first being the I-840 designation extending to I-85, and the second being that the loop is 49 miles long. Where does that number come from?
Both of them are errors from them. It happens, but still embarrassing. The Loop is actually 39 miles. I think what they meant is that the interchanges with the Loop added to the construction (I am pretty sure interchanges does NOT count towards the total mileage....) so yes, both are errors by them.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 23, 2023, 07:58:28 PM
Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show the completed Interstate 840 yet: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1466422,-79.7672615,3703m/data=!3m1!1e3. Since it only opened today, that's not surprising. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long until Google Maps acknowledges the completed Greensboro Urban Loop.
Waze has it up already
https://www.waze.com/en/live-map/directions?latlng=36.14286537528351%2C-79.78400230407716 (https://www.waze.com/en/live-map/directions?latlng=36.14286537528351%2C-79.78400230407716)
(https://imgur.com/L4KNiC1)
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2023, 09:17:10 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
It's open!
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e)
NCDOT press release. See if you spot the same mistake I saw...
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx)
Two of them.
The first being the I-840 designation extending to I-85, and the second being that the loop is 49 miles long. Where does that number come from?
Both of them are errors from them. It happens, but still embarrassing. The Loop is actually 39 miles. I think what they meant is that the interchanges with the Loop added to the construction (I am pretty sure interchanges does NOT count towards the total mileage....) so yes, both are errors by them.
Mistakes do happen. The problem is that if NCDOT makes them in a press release they tend to be repeated over and over again by all the media outlets that get the release. Seeming all the articles I saw on the Greensboro area TV station and publication websites repeat the error about the mileage. Even if NCDOT fixes the error later, this is usually not picked up by the media who have moved on to the next big story. Therefore it should be the goal of NCDOT, or any public agency for that matter, to double check the information they distribute to the pubic for accuracy before sending it out. Of course, it may be of some help if the media did their own checking about the facts given them, instead of just repeating what they get. Do you think we will see an edit to today's press release to correct the 2 errors?
It will be interesting to hear/see when they plan on the future interchanges that are still to be constructed.
E. Cone Blvd extension
Lewiston Rd extension to Fleming Rd.
Quote from: bob7374 on January 23, 2023, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2023, 09:17:10 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
It's open!
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e)
NCDOT press release. See if you spot the same mistake I saw...
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx)
Two of them.
The first being the I-840 designation extending to I-85, and the second being that the loop is 49 miles long. Where does that number come from?
Both of them are errors from them. It happens, but still embarrassing. The Loop is actually 39 miles. I think what they meant is that the interchanges with the Loop added to the construction (I am pretty sure interchanges does NOT count towards the total mileage....) so yes, both are errors by them.
Mistakes do happen. The problem is that if NCDOT makes them in a press release they tend to be repeated over and over again by all the media outlets that get the release. Seeming all the articles I saw on the Greensboro area TV station and publication websites repeat the error about the mileage. Even if NCDOT fixes the error later, this is usually not picked up by the media who have moved on to the next big story. Therefore it should be the goal of NCDOT, or any public agency for that matter, to double check the information they distribute to the pubic for accuracy before sending it out. Of course, it may be of some help if the media did their own checking about the facts given them, instead of just repeating what they get. Do you think we will see an edit to today's press release to correct the 2 errors?
I still want to know where the idea of traveling 49 miles of loop in 20 minutes came from... does no one use any common sense to see, unless you travel triple digits, is legally impossible?
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 24, 2023, 01:22:17 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 23, 2023, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2023, 09:17:10 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 23, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
It's open!
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/greensboro-urban-loop-opens/83-4630dee1-6d41-408c-aba1-1ef2a536251e)
NCDOT press release. See if you spot the same mistake I saw...
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/01-23-23-greensboro-urban-loop-final-section-opens.aspx)
Two of them.
The first being the I-840 designation extending to I-85, and the second being that the loop is 49 miles long. Where does that number come from?
Both of them are errors from them. It happens, but still embarrassing. The Loop is actually 39 miles. I think what they meant is that the interchanges with the Loop added to the construction (I am pretty sure interchanges does NOT count towards the total mileage....) so yes, both are errors by them.
Mistakes do happen. The problem is that if NCDOT makes them in a press release they tend to be repeated over and over again by all the media outlets that get the release. Seeming all the articles I saw on the Greensboro area TV station and publication websites repeat the error about the mileage. Even if NCDOT fixes the error later, this is usually not picked up by the media who have moved on to the next big story. Therefore it should be the goal of NCDOT, or any public agency for that matter, to double check the information they distribute to the pubic for accuracy before sending it out. Of course, it may be of some help if the media did their own checking about the facts given them, instead of just repeating what they get. Do you think we will see an edit to today's press release to correct the 2 errors?
I still want to know where the idea of traveling 49 miles of loop in 20 minutes came from... does no one use any common sense to see, unless you travel triple digits, is legally impossible?
"I live my life a quarter mile at a time."
On another forum, someone posted that the loop is open and he said it's 39 miles. I questioned that (and made it clear I wasn't questioning him but rather was questioning NCDOT's press release) and I offered the Google Maps link below showing that the already-open portion was about 35.3 miles around. Using surface streets to connect between either end shows a distance of just over five miles, so concluding that the new portion is four miles is reasonable. That, in turn, means a total distance of about 39 miles.
His response? "49 is the total length of the loop around the city." :banghead:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.1431352,-79.7358381/36.1392219,-79.8045848/@36.0315674,-79.7932681,12.13z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-79.759039!2d35.9971862!3s0x885317f5834d5a49:0xded765cf9dd75b71!1m0!3e0
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on January 23, 2023, 10:35:24 PM
It will be interesting to hear/see when they plan on the future interchanges that are still to be constructed.
E. Cone Blvd extension
Lewiston Rd extension to Fleming Rd.
Lewiston Rd extension with the interchange with I-840 has been dropped from the plans a while ago. Now the only one interchange that is proposed is the E. Cone Blvd extension.
Quote from: Strider on January 24, 2023, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on January 23, 2023, 10:35:24 PM
It will be interesting to hear/see when they plan on the future interchanges that are still to be constructed.
E. Cone Blvd extension
Lewiston Rd extension to Fleming Rd.
Lewiston Rd extension with the interchange with I-840 has been dropped from the plans a while ago. Now the only one interchange that is proposed is the E. Cone Blvd extension.
Thank you for the information! The east side of Greensboro could use any and all catalysts that it can get, I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
Drove and clinched the entire Greensboro Urban Loop today. I would tell you that I had so much fun! It only took me about 30 to 35 minutes to drive the entire loop (traffic wasn't heavy that time).
The flyover from I-840 East to US 29 North (Future I-785) has a 45 mph curve advisory sign. The curve on the flyover is a little bit tight. And it feels like you are on the high flyover because at that area, US 29/Future I-785 is hilly therefore you can almost see the entire interchange from the top of the flyover. (and no, I did not stop on the top of the flyover, despite having a shoulder there, LOL)
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 23, 2023, 07:58:28 PM
Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show the completed Interstate 840 yet: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1466422,-79.7672615,3703m/data=!3m1!1e3. Since it only opened today, that's not surprising. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long until Google Maps acknowledges the completed Greensboro Urban Loop.
Google Maps is showing it now.
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on January 24, 2023, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 24, 2023, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on January 23, 2023, 10:35:24 PM
It will be interesting to hear/see when they plan on the future interchanges that are still to be constructed.
E. Cone Blvd extension
Lewiston Rd extension to Fleming Rd.
Lewiston Rd extension with the interchange with I-840 has been dropped from the plans a while ago. Now the only one interchange that is proposed is the E. Cone Blvd extension.
Thank you for the information! The east side of Greensboro could use any and all catalysts that it can get, I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
Yeah, east side of the city could use more catalysts. I knew of the 1/2 mile extension of E. Cone Blvd that was finished went from 16th St to Nealtown Rd. But I have not heard of anything of when NCDOT will extend it to meet I-840/I-785 Loop to the east. The bridge that I-840/I-785 crossed at milemarker 16 (around where the proposed interchange will be) that Hines Chapel Rd went under, is wide enough in preparation for the Cone Blvd. Extension.
Quote from: Strider on January 25, 2023, 07:37:42 PM
Drove and clinched the entire Greensboro Urban Loop today. I would tell you that I had so much fun! It only took me about 30 to 35 minutes to drive the entire loop (traffic wasn't heavy that time).
The flyover from I-840 East to US 29 North (Future I-785) has a 45 mph curve advisory sign. The curve on the flyover is a little bit tight. And it feels like you are on the high flyover because at that area, US 29/Future I-785 is hilly therefore you can almost see the entire interchange from the top of the flyover. (and no, I did not stop on the top of the flyover, despite having a shoulder there, LOL)
Did they add a control city for I-840 East now that it's finished?
Quote from: LM117 on January 25, 2023, 07:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 23, 2023, 07:58:28 PM
Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show the completed Interstate 840 yet: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1466422,-79.7672615,3703m/data=!3m1!1e3. Since it only opened today, that's not surprising. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long until Google Maps acknowledges the completed Greensboro Urban Loop.
Google Maps is showing it now.
But it does not show 840 as concurrent with the 785 section
Quote from: LM117 on January 25, 2023, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 25, 2023, 07:37:42 PM
Drove and clinched the entire Greensboro Urban Loop today. I would tell you that I had so much fun! It only took me about 30 to 35 minutes to drive the entire loop (traffic wasn't heavy that time).
The flyover from I-840 East to US 29 North (Future I-785) has a 45 mph curve advisory sign. The curve on the flyover is a little bit tight. And it feels like you are on the high flyover because at that area, US 29/Future I-785 is hilly therefore you can almost see the entire interchange from the top of the flyover. (and no, I did not stop on the top of the flyover, despite having a shoulder there, LOL)
Did they add a control city for I-840 East now that it's finished?
Yes. Raleigh from some signages that I have already seen. Not every signage is up yet, so the control city for I-840 East is Raleigh. For I-840 West, it is Winston-Salem.
The 49 Miles that NCDOT reported is including all the mileage of entrance and exit ramps as well. Which totals 10 miles?
I've posted photos taken by Strider along the final section of the Greensboro Loop, including this first (and so far, only) pull through sign featuring both I-785 and I-840:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i840signsstr123s.jpg)
on my NC New and Future Interstates Greensboro Loop page: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
Updating signage along the rest of the Loop, I-85, I-40 and I-73, that, based on the contract's sign plans, includes removing the Business 85 signs from I-40, US 29 and approaching roadways (along with references to US 70 due to its relocation through the city) has not begun yet. According to contract documents, work must be completed by the end of June.
Quote from: wdcrft63 on January 25, 2023, 08:37:33 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 25, 2023, 07:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 23, 2023, 07:58:28 PM
Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show the completed Interstate 840 yet: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1466422,-79.7672615,3703m/data=!3m1!1e3. Since it only opened today, that's not surprising. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long until Google Maps acknowledges the completed Greensboro Urban Loop.
FWIW Google Maps has now added the 840 shield on the 785 segment.
Google Maps is showing it now.
But it does not show 840 as concurrent with the 785 section
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 23, 2023, 07:58:28 PM
Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show the completed Interstate 840 yet: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1466422,-79.7672615,3703m/data=!3m1!1e3. Since it only opened today, that's not surprising. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long until Google Maps acknowledges the completed Greensboro Urban Loop.
Quote from: LM117 on January 25, 2023, 07:42:13 PM
Google Maps is showing it now.
Quote from: wdcrft63 on January 25, 2023, 08:37:33 PM
But it does not show 840 as concurrent with the 785 section
Quote from: wdcrft63 on January 29, 2023, 08:02:53 PM
FWIW Google Maps has now added the 840 shield on the 785 segment.
It looks like Google Maps is having trouble displaying both shields at the same time. I'm having to drag the display in-and-out to get them both to show up on the same segment. Usually, only the I-840 shield is showing. This seemed worse on the northbound flyover segment from the southeast Loop to the northeast Loop. (This may be a common problem with the newer version of Google Maps, but it seems like a new problem here).
Why is everyone riding Google Maps's dick?
^ Because some people believe that Google Maps should be perfect and instantaneously up-to-date. Is Google Maps supposed to have one of their vehicles positioned at the ready for an Interstate Highway opening? News flash--not gonna happen! :no:
Quote from: bob7374 on January 28, 2023, 11:50:19 AM
I've posted photos taken by Strider along the final section of the Greensboro Loop, including this first (and so far, only) pull through sign featuring both I-785 and I-840:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i840signsstr123s.jpg)
on my NC New and Future Interstates Greensboro Loop page: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
Updating signage along the rest of the Loop, I-85, I-40 and I-73, that, based on the contract's sign plans, includes removing the Business 85 signs from I-40, US 29 and approaching roadways (along with references to US 70 due to its relocation through the city) has not begun yet. According to contract documents, work must be completed by the end of June.
I was driving yesterday along MLK and the 40 interchange, and off to the side of the on-ramp to 40 east was a stack of signs. I guess its just a matter of time now
Quote from: amroad17 on January 29, 2023, 11:15:38 PM
^ Because some people believe that Google Maps should be perfect and instantaneously up-to-date. Is Google Maps supposed to have one of their vehicles positioned at the ready for an Interstate Highway opening? News flash--not gonna happen! :no:
Actually I was surprised at how quickly Google Maps picked up the new section. No criticism intended.
Now that the Greensboro Urban Loop is completed, they can start getting a move on upgrading US 29 into Interstate 785 from Exit 135 northward (the segments that need upgrading, that is).
^ Exits 136 to 145 needs to be upgraded from a partially controlled access highway into a fully controlled access interstate highway. There's no traffic signals, access is controlled to some extent with a few frontage roads, and a few interchanges do exist, but some private driveways and intersecting roads still need to be addressed.
North of Exit 145, the freeway meets interstate standards up to the Virginia state line and is posted at 70 mph.
Interestingly, they just recently raised the speed limit north of Reedy Fork Pkwy from 55 mph to 60 mph. A welcome change, IMO, when I drove that section a couple years ago, traffic was seemingly moving over 70 mph.
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 01, 2023, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on January 29, 2023, 11:15:38 PM
^ Because some people believe that Google Maps should be perfect and instantaneously up-to-date. Is Google Maps supposed to have one of their vehicles positioned at the ready for an Interstate Highway opening? News flash--not gonna happen! :no:
Actually I was surprised at how quickly Google Maps picked up the new section. No criticism intended.
Meanwhile, Google Maps has yet to add the second phase of the I-66 HOT lanes, which opened over 2 months ago, and its depiction of Indy's North Split is woefully inaccurate. But I digress....
Quote from: davewiecking on February 01, 2023, 09:48:52 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 01, 2023, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on January 29, 2023, 11:15:38 PM
^ Because some people believe that Google Maps should be perfect and instantaneously up-to-date. Is Google Maps supposed to have one of their vehicles positioned at the ready for an Interstate Highway opening? News flash--not gonna happen! :no:
Actually I was surprised at how quickly Google Maps picked up the new section. No criticism intended.
Meanwhile, Google Maps has yet to add the second phase of the I-66 HOT lanes, which opened over 2 months ago, and its depiction of Indy's North Split is woefully inaccurate. But I digress....
Just out of curiosity, does Apple depict either of those correctly?
(FWIW, Apple still doesn't correctly overlay where NC-885 becomes I-885, and shows the East End connector as ramps rather than a roadway.)
Quote from: BlueRidge on February 02, 2023, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on February 01, 2023, 09:48:52 PM
Meanwhile, Google Maps has yet to add the second phase of the I-66 HOT lanes, which opened over 2 months ago, and its depiction of Indy's North Split is woefully inaccurate. But I digress....
Just out of curiosity, does Apple depict either of those correctly?
(FWIW, Apple still doesn't correctly overlay where NC-885 becomes I-885, and shows the East End connector as ramps rather than a roadway.)
They've taken a stab at both. I'm not sure if all the I-66 ramps are depicted properly.
Here is a video from Tarheel Travels, which drove the Greensboro Urban Loop in entirely, but going counterclockwise. (I-840 West, I-73 South, I-85 North, I-785 North/I-840 West).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zjfUheDLAg
Thanks for posting the video. One thing it does is help to prove that the Loop is 39 (or 39.5 according to Wikipedia) and not 49 miles long. I timed how long it took to go the video to go from the 1 1/4 mile advance sign for No. Elm Street to the exit ramp, 1 minute and 5 seconds or 65 seconds. My back of the envelope calculation equates this to a speed around 74 miles per hour. If the Loop is 39.5 miles long and that speed maintained throughout, this would equate to a video of about 32 minutes and 6 seconds long, the actual video is 32 minutes and 19 seconds. If the Loop was 49 miles long, the average speed of the car taking the video would have to be 92 MPH to take the same amount of time to drive the loop and driving a mile at that speed would take about 39 seconds. This is not shown to be the case watching the video.
LATE UPDATE: According to Waze, some sign work is going on along I-40 and US 29 tonight (2/5), hopefully related to removing Business 85 and US 70 from signage: "Contract forces are working on removal and replacement of overhead sign assemblies along I-40 WB & EB between Randleman Rd. and McConnell Rd. (between mile markers 219 & 225) along with US-29 SB @ Florida Street. Due to the span of these signs multiple lanes will be required to safely work each night. NCDOT 3 hrs ago."
Quote from: bob7374 on February 05, 2023, 06:19:47 PM
Thanks for posting the video. One thing it does is help to prove that the Loop is 39 (or 39.5 according to Wikipedia) and not 49 miles long. I timed how long it took to go the video to go from the 1 1/4 mile advance sign for No. Elm Street to the exit ramp, 1 minute and 5 seconds or 65 seconds. My back of the envelope calculation equates this to a speed around 74 miles per hour. If the Loop is 39.5 miles long and that speed maintained throughout, this would equate to a video of about 32 minutes and 6 seconds long, the actual video is 32 minutes and 19 seconds. If the Loop was 49 miles long, the average speed of the car taking the video would have to be 92 MPH to take the same amount of time to drive the loop and driving a mile at that speed would take about 39 seconds. This is not shown to be the case watching the video.
the 49 miles includes all the entrance ramps, exit ramps, and their respective merging on/off lanes, of the whole loop.
Quote from: bob7374 on February 05, 2023, 06:19:47 PM
LATE UPDATE: According to Waze, some sign work is going on along I-40 and US 29 tonight (2/5), hopefully related to removing Business 85 and US 70 from signage: "Contract forces are working on removal and replacement of overhead sign assemblies along I-40 WB & EB between Randleman Rd. and McConnell Rd. (between mile markers 219 & 225) along with US-29 SB @ Florida Street. Due to the span of these signs multiple lanes will be required to safely work each night. NCDOT 3 hrs ago."
The overhead signs when you ramp onto 29/220 and 40 from MLK are up. The Green 85 and 70 are indeed removed. The Florida Street Exit only sign has been installed on 29. The 29/220 sign with 2 directional arrows is up at Exit 223, They had the right lane of 40 closed last night, I guess tonight they will be closing the left lanes tonight to replace the 40/Green 85 sign.
Quote from: Love2drive on February 06, 2023, 07:34:15 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 05, 2023, 06:19:47 PM
LATE UPDATE: According to Waze, some sign work is going on along I-40 and US 29 tonight (2/5), hopefully related to removing Business 85 and US 70 from signage: "Contract forces are working on removal and replacement of overhead sign assemblies along I-40 WB & EB between Randleman Rd. and McConnell Rd. (between mile markers 219 & 225) along with US-29 SB @ Florida Street. Due to the span of these signs multiple lanes will be required to safely work each night. NCDOT 3 hrs ago."
The overhead signs when you ramp onto 29/220 and 40 from MLK are up. The Green 85 and 70 are indeed removed. The Florida Street Exit only sign has been installed on 29. The 29/220 sign with 2 directional arrows is up at Exit 223, They had the right lane of 40 closed last night, I guess tonight they will be closing the left lanes tonight to replace the 40/Green 85 sign.
So the removal of Business 85 through Greensboro has begun. US Highway 70 will be rerouted to Wendover Ave through Greensboro and Eastchester Dr through High Point towards Thomasville where they meet US Highway 29 (and join it).
Business 85 though High Point, Thomasville and Lexington is also in process of being removed as well.
Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 07, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?
US 29...because US 70 is being rerouted via NC 68 and Wendover Ave from High Point through Greensboro
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 07, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?
The exits will follow US 29 Mileage.
Quote from: Strider on February 07, 2023, 04:46:05 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 07, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?
The exits will follow US 29 Mileage.
Presumably, curiously though the sign plans do not show any of the exit signs along US 29, while they do show the new signs along I-40 and US 220 for the US 29 exit. For many of the signs they simply show removing the Business 85 shield from the existing sign since the US 70 relocation had not been approved yet. I assume some of these signs are now being replaced due to the removal of 2 shields. From looking at Waze it appears no work going on tonight, at least so far.
Fixed broken quote. - Alex
Quote from: bob7374 on February 07, 2023, 11:45:47 PM
Quote from: Strider on February 07, 2023, 04:46:05 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 07, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?
Presumably, curiously though the sign plans do not show any of the exit signs along US 29, while they do show the new signs along I-40 and US 220 for the US 29 exit. For many of the signs they simply show removing the Business 85 shield from the existing sign since the US 70 relocation had not been approved yet. I assume some of these signs are now being replaced due to the removal of 2 shields. From looking at Waze it appears no work going on tonight, at least so far.
The exits will follow US 29 Mileage.
They were working on the signs 29 South before the curve and ramp onto MLK. Tuesday Night/Wednesday Morning
Google Maps has new imagery posted on the new section heading eastbound... quite fast! It's only been open for a few weeks.
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 10, 2023, 09:46:11 PM
Google Maps has new imagery posted on the new section heading eastbound... quite fast! It's only been open for a few weeks.
Some of the westbound side is showing up as well.
I drove the entire 840 last night, and noticed that some advance exit signs are not installed yet. They have digital signs in place in the meantime. Interesting that it was permitted to open without the signage being complete.
A digital sign is considered a valid temporary sign, so i don't see the problem tbh.
Considering some the digital signs being used on the I-64 widening project near I-464 in Chesapeake, VA, and how confusing they are to those not familiar with the area... I would not complain too much.
Quote from: fillup420 on February 12, 2023, 10:16:10 AM
I drove the entire 840 last night, and noticed that some advance exit signs are not installed yet. They have digital signs in place in the meantime. Interesting that it was permitted to open without the signage being complete.
They did the same thing when they opened the last section of Interstate 140.
Quote from: fillup420 on February 12, 2023, 10:16:10 AM
I drove the entire 840 last night, and noticed that some advance exit signs are not installed yet. They have digital signs in place in the meantime. Interesting that it was permitted to open without the signage being complete.
They wanted to open the last leg of the loop so it could be utilized sooner. The signage, lighting and other finishing touches are not due until June or so.
Still a ways to go, but they have made considerable progress to the finishing touches for the N. Elm St. intersection.
I have posted new photos taken approaching and along I-840 West showing lack of progress of updating signage along the earlier sections of the Loop and signage along the newest section to open:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i840signsap33123d.jpg)
on my NC New and Future Interstates Greensboro Loop page: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
No room for future Interstate 785 shields on the second signs? I guess it won't extend north of the GUL anytime soon.
^ Considering it won't be upgraded to interstate standards for another decade, your assumption is correct.
I talked with my parents in North Carolina recently, and they had a trip surprisingly on-point for this thread: They printed out directions at home for a road trip involving taking I-40 west to I-840 north. However, they didn't see any signs for I-840 and weren't using any smartphone apps, so they missed their exit and (when they realized it, around downtown Greensboro) had to reroute using city streets!
So, bob7374, you're absolutely right that it's a bad thing they aren't updating signage!
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 05, 2023, 11:20:50 AM
^ Considering it won't be upgraded to interstate standards for another decade, your assumption is correct.
Here's the plan for the sign when I-785 is completed to VA:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i785plansexit14narrow.jpg)
Quote from: Evan_Th on April 05, 2023, 01:59:00 PM
I talked with my parents in North Carolina recently, and they had a trip surprisingly on-point for this thread: They printed out directions at home for a road trip involving taking I-40 west to I-840 north. However, they didn't see any signs for I-840 and weren't using any smartphone apps, so they missed their exit and (when they realized it, around downtown Greensboro) had to reroute using city streets!
So, bob7374, you're absolutely right that it's a bad thing they aren't updating signage!
After all of this time, I finally made it to Sears in Greensboro today. It was probably my last Roadgeek trip, so not only did I take in I-840 but I also took the opportunity to clinch I-73 again (over and over and over and over). It was strange to return by making the entire trip around the Greensboro Urban Loop.
Sorry, I digress. I was surprised to see that I-840 is not posted along the concurrency with I-73. It was signed on all the BGSs that I saw, including those on Friendly Avenue. If NCDOT wasn't going to sign the route anytime soon, they could have saves a ton of money by asking AASHTO to renumber the route to an even I-x73.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on May 06, 2023, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: Evan_Th on April 05, 2023, 01:59:00 PM
I talked with my parents in North Carolina recently, and they had a trip surprisingly on-point for this thread: They printed out directions at home for a road trip involving taking I-40 west to I-840 north. However, they didn't see any signs for I-840 and weren't using any smartphone apps, so they missed their exit and (when they realized it, around downtown Greensboro) had to reroute using city streets!
So, bob7374, you're absolutely right that it's a bad thing they aren't updating signage!
After all of this time, I finally made it to Sears in Greensboro today. It was probably my last Roadgeek trip, so not only did I take in I-840 but I also took the opportunity to clinch I-73 again (over and over and over and over). It was strange to return by making the entire trip around the Greensboro Urban Loop.
Sorry, I digress. I was surprised to see that I-840 is not posted along the concurrency with I-73. It was signed on all the BGSs that I saw, including those on Friendly Avenue. If NCDOT wasn't going to sign the route anytime soon, they could have saves a ton of money by asking AASHTO to renumber the route to an even I-x73.
What are you talking about? I-840 is already signed along with I-73 between I-40 and I-73 on the western side. You may have been not paying attention.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on May 06, 2023, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: Evan_Th on April 05, 2023, 01:59:00 PM
I talked with my parents in North Carolina recently, and they had a trip surprisingly on-point for this thread: They printed out directions at home for a road trip involving taking I-40 west to I-840 north. However, they didn't see any signs for I-840 and weren't using any smartphone apps, so they missed their exit and (when they realized it, around downtown Greensboro) had to reroute using city streets!
So, bob7374, you're absolutely right that it's a bad thing they aren't updating signage!
After all of this time, I finally made it to Sears in Greensboro today. It was probably my last Roadgeek trip, so not only did I take in I-840 but I also took the opportunity to clinch I-73 again (over and over and over and over). It was strange to return by making the entire trip around the Greensboro Urban Loop.
Sorry, I digress. I was surprised to see that I-840 is not posted along the concurrency with I-73. It was signed on all the BGSs that I saw, including those on Friendly Avenue. If NCDOT wasn't going to sign the route anytime soon, they could have saves a ton of money by asking AASHTO to renumber the route to an even I-x73.
It is posted in both directions along the concurrency.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KQQFooZxnDkKHA1d7?g_st=ic
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I was surprised to see that I-840 is not posted along the concurrency with I-73. It was signed on all the BGSs that I saw, including those on Friendly Avenue. If NCDOT wasn't going to sign the route anytime soon, they could have saves a ton of money by asking AASHTO to renumber the route to an even I-x73.
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2023, 09:04:21 PM
What are you talking about? I-840 is already signed along with I-73 between I-40 and I-73 on the western side. You may have been not paying attention.
No trailblazer signage for I-840 going counterclockwise along I-73 (westbound); not quite sure about eastbound. I did see several standalone traiblazers for I-73. But see the response below.
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 06, 2023, 09:33:03 PM
It is posted in both directions along the concurrency.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KQQFooZxnDkKHA1d7?g_st=ic
Well, it is obvious that I-840/I-73 were posted counterclockwise along the Greensboro Urban Loop as of January 2023, so my original comment is indeed not correct. But this sign wasn't there yesterday, and a standlone I-73 trailblazer was in its place (either here or closeby). There was also one other standalone I-73 posted somewhere between Friendly Avenue and I-40.
I am curious as to why this sign was missing. It doesn't look like an easy one to knock over.
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I was surprised to see that I-840 is not posted along the concurrency with I-73. It was signed on all the BGSs that I saw, including those on Friendly Avenue. If NCDOT wasn't going to sign the route anytime soon, they could have saves a ton of money by asking AASHTO to renumber the route to an even I-x73.
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2023, 09:04:21 PM
What are you talking about? I-840 is already signed along with I-73 between I-40 and I-73 on the western side. You may have been not paying attention.
No trailblazer signage for I-840 going counterclockwise along I-73 (westbound); not quite sure about eastbound. I did see several standalone traiblazers for I-73. But see the response below.
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 06, 2023, 09:33:03 PM
It is posted in both directions along the concurrency.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KQQFooZxnDkKHA1d7?g_st=ic
Well, it is obvious that I-840/I-73 were posted counterclockwise along the Greensboro Urban Loop as of January 2023, so my original comment is indeed not correct. But this sign wasn't there yesterday, and a standlone I-73 trailblazer was in its place (either here or closeby). There was also one other standalone I-73 posted somewhere between Friendly Avenue and I-40.
I am curious as to why this sign was missing. It doesn't look like an easy one to knock over.
As of this morning, May 10 2023, that I 73/I 840 is still there. It is the only trailblazer between I 73 and I 40. I was reclinching I 840 counter-clockwise and the sign is still there just past the Bailinger Bridge.
I was traversing I-840 from Battleground Ave to Yanceyville St and noticed new metal half gantry east bound and west bound in between Elm and Yanceyville. New signage coming soon.
Yeah, someone drove that section of I-840 and there are new metal gantry setting up along I-840 between N. Elm and US 29. The signage is coming up soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9svpMMNPReI
2 days until the end of June, and there is still quite a bit of signage and line painting that still needs to be done. Did they extend the deadline?
Has anyone else noticed the lack of a good sign to get on 840 West going towards Winston Salem from northbound hwy-29? I feel like it can be very confusing for motorists that are not familiar with the area.
Here is the current sign..
I think they should add an 840 shield on the Exit 135-B sign. I understand that there is space on the A sign for a 840 East shield, but why not designation for West on B?
(https://i.imgur.com/kl4PVl5.jpg)
I made my first trip to Greensboro in 30 years a couple of weeks ago and drove part of I-73 and I-840 (not from a route-clinching standpoint, it was the quickest way from Charlotte to the Guilford Courthouse battlefield). I noticed that the exit numbers on I-73 from I-40 around to where I-73 and I-840 separate are for I-73, but at the separation the Exit 107 numbering tab follows I-73/Bryan Boulevard rather than I-840. The next exit off I-840 was a single-digit number (Exit 6 if I remember right but don't quote me).
Seems to me that the Exit 107 tab should have been for I-840, even though three lanes go straight onto 840 and I-73 is the offramp to the right.
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on June 28, 2023, 03:10:32 PM
2 days until the end of June, and there is still quite a bit of signage and line painting that still needs to be done. Did they extend the deadline?
Has anyone else noticed the lack of a good sign to get on 840 West going towards Winston Salem from northbound hwy-29? I feel like it can be very confusing for motorists that are not familiar with the area.
Here is the current sign..
I think they should add an 840 shield on the Exit 135-B sign. I understand that there is space on the A sign for a 840 East shield, but why not designation for West on B?
(https://i.imgur.com/kl4PVl5.jpg)
There are ground mounted electric viable message that are there to lead traffic to the proper exit while new signage is in works. Blame the weather for the delay as we had a lot of rain on and off for the past two weeks.
The official completion date for the project is July 21, as of 2 weeks ago they were 92.8% done. Something has to start soon or the company risks late fines. Has anyone noticed whether signs have gone up on the gantries put up a couple months ago now on the new section of the Loop?
Quote from: bob7374 on June 29, 2023, 07:20:25 PM
The official completion date for the project is July 21, as of 2 weeks ago they were 92.8% done. Something has to start soon or the company risks late fines. Has anyone noticed whether signs have gone up on the gantries put up a couple months ago now on the new section of the Loop?
I can check it out tomorrow since I live right next to I-840. I will let you know if they finally start something or not... (I highly doubt it since you mentioned the completion date for the project is July 21...) They did in fact finally finished the line painting the last time I was on I-840.
I can confirm that they are working on putting up the new signages. There are already signages up for Yanceyville Rd (Exit 11) and US 29 (exit 14A-B) when you go east on I-840 towards US 29 (The N. Elm St interchange is fully signed and complete) however, the westbound (going west on I-840) signage are not up yet. I did in fact saw three trucks that carry new signages that will be put on I-840, US 29 and I-40. I will take pictures when everything is put up.
Quote from: Strider on July 06, 2023, 04:09:10 PM
I can confirm that they are working on putting up the new signages. There are already signages up for Yanceyville Rd (Exit 11) and US 29 (exit 14A-B) when you go east on I-840 towards US 29 (The N. Elm St interchange is fully signed and complete) however, the westbound (going west on I-840) signage are not up yet. I did in fact saw three trucks that carry new signages that will be put on I-840, US 29 and I-40. I will take pictures when everything is put up.
I have added photos that Strider has taken of the new signs both east and westbound between North Elm Street and US 29 to my Greensboro Loop page:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
The new 785/840 signs were going up today between US 70 and I-40/85. Nice looking shields on green background, instead of just pole-mounted shields.
I can confirm that I-785/I-840 is FINALLY signed along the Eastern Urban Loop. Pictures to come soon via bob7374.
Quote from: Strider on July 24, 2023, 07:19:15 PM
I can confirm that I-785/I-840 is FINALLY signed along the Eastern Urban Loop. Pictures to come soon via bob7374.
Here's a photo of one of the new reassurance marker signs, courtesy of Strider:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/785i840signsstr723a.jpg)
Here's one of the APL signs leading up to the split of I-85 South and I-40 West:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/785i840signsstr723k.jpg)
Notice that there's no longer a reference to I-73 for I-85 South, this was what the sign was going to look like according to the plans:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i785plansi85sexitarrow.jpg)
Other photos I've posted so far are at:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
Now if they could just get US 29 north of the Greensboro Urban Loop upgraded to Interstate Standards, then Interstate 785 would truly have a reason to exist.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 25, 2023, 01:43:39 PM
Now if they could just get US 29 north of the Greensboro Urban Loop upgraded to Interstate Standards, then Interstate 785 would truly have a reason to exist.
I-785 is fine where it is for now. It has a reason to exist (within Guilford County). US 29 from Rockingham/Guilford Co line up to Danville VA is already interstate standard, so the only left is the 7 mile between Hicone Rd interchange (just north of I-785/I-840) and the Rockingham County line. One of the new interchanges is currently under construction that will at least extend that 1/2 mile part out of 7 miles of US 29 to interstate standards at least until the full upgrade of US 29 happens.
I-785 sort of made sense to be designated on the beltway when it was by itself, but now with it being fully concurrent with I-840 and having nowhere else to go, it sort of is in a weird spot. Until it is signed / completed north of I-840 up to Virginia, it doesn't make a lot of sense right now.
I concur, sprjus4. It reflects my sentiments exactly.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 25, 2023, 05:28:21 PM
I-785 sort of made sense to be designated on the beltway when it was by itself, but now with it being fully concurrent with I-840 and having nowhere else to go, it sort of is in a weird spot. Until it is signed / completed north of I-840 up to Virginia, it doesn't make a lot of sense right now.
At least it will need only a short section to be upgraded in order to be a legitimate route (7 miles), and 1/2 mile of it is being worked on right now.
Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
At least there is now a completed beltway around the Greensboro area, even if it does have four Interstate designations (73, 85, 785, and 840).
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on August 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
The contract is completed as far as NCDOT's Construction Progress Report site is concerned. The project is no longer listed among those for Guilford County.
Quote from: bob7374 on August 05, 2023, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on August 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
The contract is completed as far as NCDOT's Construction Progress Report site is concerned. The project is no longer listed among those for Guilford County.
Who is still working on the project then?
Quote from: bob7374 on August 05, 2023, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on August 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
The contract is completed as far as NCDOT's Construction Progress Report site is concerned. The project is no longer listed among those for Guilford County.
Did this contract include signage for the relocated US 70?
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Quote from: bob7374 on August 05, 2023, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: AlmaPinnix on August 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
The contract is completed as far as NCDOT's Construction Progress Report site is concerned. The project is no longer listed among those for Guilford County.
Did this contract include signage for the relocated US 70?
Yes, however I was on Wendover Ave the other day and no US 70 shields up yet. But that was a few days ago. I have not taken a complete drive around Guilford County so when I have a chance, I will check.
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Quote from: AlmaPinnix on August 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
The contract is completed as far as NCDOT's Construction Progress Report site is concerned. The project is no longer listed among those for Guilford County.
Did this contract include signage for the relocated US 70?
Yes, however I was on Wendover Ave the other day and no US 70 shields up yet. But that was a few days ago. I have not taken a complete drive around Guilford County so when I have a chance, I will check.
I have a couple NCDOT traffic cameras along NC 68 I frequently check regarding the addition of new US 70 shields. I did not see any when I looked on Friday.
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Quote from: AlmaPinnix on August 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
The contract is completed as far as NCDOT's Construction Progress Report site is concerned. The project is no longer listed among those for Guilford County.
Did this contract include signage for the relocated US 70?
Yes, however I was on Wendover Ave the other day and no US 70 shields up yet. But that was a few days ago. I have not taken a complete drive around Guilford County so when I have a chance, I will check.
I have a couple NCDOT traffic cameras along NC 68 I frequently check regarding the addition of new US 70 shields. I did not see any when I looked on Friday.
They keep removing more US-70 signs on the I-40 BGS signs but no new US-70 signs on Wendover that I've seen either - and I live less than a 1/4 mile from Wendover.
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Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
The contract is completed as far as NCDOT's Construction Progress Report site is concerned. The project is no longer listed among those for Guilford County.
Did this contract include signage for the relocated US 70?
Yes, however I was on Wendover Ave the other day and no US 70 shields up yet. But that was a few days ago. I have not taken a complete drive around Guilford County so when I have a chance, I will check.
I have a couple NCDOT traffic cameras along NC 68 I frequently check regarding the addition of new US 70 shields. I did not see any when I looked on Friday.
They keep removing more US-70 signs on the I-40 BGS signs but no new US-70 signs on Wendover that I've seen either - and I live less than a 1/4 mile from Wendover.
Looks like there may be a period of time where US 70 simply disappears through Greensboro. The Greensboro Loop contract only covers removing the US 70 shields from the interstate routes. I have not seen any contract awarded or advertised that specifically calls for placing US 70 shields along its new routing. There was even a contract let on May 8 that is rehabbing the I-40/South Elm St/Eugene St interchange whose sign plans, created in 2021, call for the retaining of the existing Business 85 and US 70 signage:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%207%20Letting/05-18-2023/DG00615%20STANDARD%20PLANS%20PDF%20-%20SIGNING.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%207%20Letting/05-18-2023/DG00615%20STANDARD%20PLANS%20PDF%20-%20SIGNING.pdf)
No changes were spotted today (8/10) in signage based on traffic camera images.
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Quote from: AlmaPinnix on August 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Still a good bit of work to be done in quite a few spots. Specific Service Logo Signs are to be expected soon on the N. Elm St. exit, as they've already erected the metal poles for them. They also need to paint more permanent lines all over the place. I would say they are close to 98% done with everything. Still a lot of orange traffic barrels out there.
The contract is completed as far as NCDOT's Construction Progress Report site is concerned. The project is no longer listed among those for Guilford County.
Did this contract include signage for the relocated US 70?
Yes, however I was on Wendover Ave the other day and no US 70 shields up yet. But that was a few days ago. I have not taken a complete drive around Guilford County so when I have a chance, I will check.
I have a couple NCDOT traffic cameras along NC 68 I frequently check regarding the addition of new US 70 shields. I did not see any when I looked on Friday.
They keep removing more US-70 signs on the I-40 BGS signs but no new US-70 signs on Wendover that I've seen either - and I live less than a 1/4 mile from Wendover.
Looks like there may be a period of time where US 70 simply disappears through Greensboro. The Greensboro Loop contract only covers removing the US 70 shields from the interstate routes. I have not seen any contract awarded or advertised that specifically calls for placing US 70 shields along its new routing. There was even a contract let on May 8 that is rehabbing the I-40/South Elm St/Eugene St interchange whose sign plans, created in 2021, call for the retaining of the existing Business 85 and US 70 signage:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%207%20Letting/05-18-2023/DG00615%20STANDARD%20PLANS%20PDF%20-%20SIGNING.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%207%20Letting/05-18-2023/DG00615%20STANDARD%20PLANS%20PDF%20-%20SIGNING.pdf)
No changes were spotted today (8/10) in signage based on traffic camera images.
That maybe a separate project or the signage plans for US 70 relocation is really going very slow.
The adding of new I-840 signage along the Loop continues, here along US 29:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i785i840signsstr823b.jpg)
Other sign photos, courtesy of Strider, at:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos)
It does appear that US 70 has disappeared in Greensboro. Google Maps is showing most of the new signage. On southbound US 29 approaching Wendover, the new signage is for US 220 West and for US 70 East. No clue as to what happens to US 70 WB. South of Wendover the reassurance signing is for 29/220 only.
Signing the new route of 70 will need a major contract because multiple BGS wil be needed, at the I-40 interchange and several other locations.
Quote from: wdcrft63 on September 06, 2023, 09:54:30 PM
It does appear that US 70 has disappeared in Greensboro. Google Maps is showing most of the new signage. On southbound US 29 approaching Wendover, the new signage is for US 220 West and for US 70 East. No clue as to what happens to US 70 WB. South of Wendover the reassurance signing is for 29/220 only.
Signing the new route of 70 will need a major contract because multiple BGS wil be needed, at the I-40 interchange and several other locations.
Not yet signed because the signing project is going VERY SLOW, however US 70 now follows Wendover Ave all the way to NC 68 in High Point, and then turn south and follows NC 68 towards US 29 (former Business I-85 and US 70) in Thomasville before joining US 29 South going towards Lexington and beyond.
For a couple of weeks now, it seems like all orange traffic cylinders and construction equipment have vacated the northern sections of the loop and everything has been finalized.