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Winnemucca to the Sea Highway
agentsteel53:
got this in a private message today; I'm thinking roadfro will forgive me for posting it publicly so that other people can give more info ...
--- Quote from: roadfro on July 01, 2009, 10:13:44 PM ---
Incidentally, can you point me to any sources that talk more about the Winnemucca to the Sea Highway effort? All I've seen is an unsourced mention on the Wikipedia page for NV 8A and what's listed at the NV 140 entry on AA Roads' Nevada Route Log.
As to connecting routes, NV/UT 30 was another one that existed (UT renumbered, then Nevada's renumbering happened shortly afterwards). NV/CA 266 is another one that formed post renumbering. Nevada's numbers from the renumbering came from numbers used in the state's Federal Aid System, so that's probably why 51 didn't survive.
NV 225A doesn't exist...maybe you're thinking of 226? At any rate, Google tends to incorrectly use old state route numbers in many places, especially where a current state highway ends in the middle of nowhere but a former highway carried on. As such, I doubt there's any SR 11 shields still in place, although I've never been out that way so I can't speak to any degree of certainty.
-roadfro
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okay, I heard about US-140 from AARoads's own Andy Field verbally, and it was confirmed by someone else I talked to, a highway sign collector, who mentioned that NV never made any US-140 shields but they sure wanted to...
225A vs 226 ... is that the correct number? I knew there was a loop road that branched off of 225, and I quickly googled it, and it said 225A. If it is 226, then it is 226. I've driven both, but it was a while ago so I do not remember much past there being a "bridge to nowhere" off the 225. Didn't remember seeing any 11 or 11A shields. (Google Maps shows both 11 and 11A numbers.)
Google Maps tends not to be flat out wrong in assigning highway numbers - they just zealously tack on decommissioned numbers onto old alignments. It's very useful in its own way - though you'd swear US-80 still made it all the way to San Diego by this measure.
(They also mix up state and US route shields a bunch, but that's easy to correct for mentally.)
roadfro:
--- Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2009, 10:35:54 PM ---got this in a private message today; I'm thinking roadfro will forgive me for posting it publicly so that other people can give more info ...
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Forgiven!
--- Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2009, 10:35:54 PM ---okay, I heard about US-140 from AARoads's own Andy Field verbally, and it was confirmed by someone else I talked to, a highway sign collector, who mentioned that NV never made any US-140 shields but they sure wanted to...
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Thinking more about this from the Nevada perspective. . . .
I've discovered in the last few months that state highway numbers in Nevada used to be described legislatively. Each route was described with a separate entry in the state's highway laws and also later in what became the Nevada Revised Statutes. For longer routes, this was a general description of the route via certain towns or locales; for urban routes, it listed fairly specifically the streets the state highway followed. Legislative definitions of routes ceased after the highway renumbering in 1976.
Something to note from this is that routes were assigned more or less chronologically (although one or two numbers were never assigned, and some numbers were inexplicably reassigned). Through this method, state route numbers never made it higher than 93. However, NV 140 was legislated before the renumbering. This shows that there was concerted effort to at least number the highway as 140 in Nevada, because there were ~40-50 numbers skipped when 140 was assigned.
Incidentally, Nevada's legislative numbers were given with no regard for US highways (or the later Interstates), and only state routes were mentioned in the laws. The highway signed US 40 was legislatively SR 1; US 91 was SR 6; US 95 was SR 8, part of SR 1, SR 1A, part of SR 3, and SR 5; and so forth. I'm not sure as to what extent the state highways were cosigned with US routes, though. It is interesting to note that had US 140 been signed, it would be the only case where the legislative route and the US route were the same number.
It is also interesting to note that SR 140 was one of only three routes to retain its pre-1976 number (the others being 28 and 88). In this case, it is especially notable because NDOT planned to change it to SR 291 but never did.
All this to say that I'm finding more validity in reports of the proposed "US 140"/Winnemucca to the Sea Highway. . .
roadfro:
Just found this, courtesy of the Winnemucca Convention & Visitors Authority (which I didn't know existed):
http://www.winnemucca.nv.us/winnemucca_to_the_sea_highway.pdf
8 page PDF with some history and present-day route description and pictures.
I read the first pages on the Nevada portion and skimmed the rest, but it does seem to corroborate.
Tarkus:
Very interesting stuff, roadfro and agentsteel. It would kind of make some sense with the anomalies in Oregon's numbering system in the southern part of the state as well.
Until 2002, when ODOT assigned a bunch of route numbers to state-maintained highways that previously didn't have them, there were only three 3-digit Oregon State Highways that began with 1: OR-126, OR-138 and OR-140.
OR-126 was actually US-126 until 1972 (and US-28 before US-26 was extended in 1951). And given that, along with the location and length of the other two 1XX routes (OR-138 runs along the north of Crater Lake National Park), I have had a hunch that ODOT had been planning on proposing OR-138 and OR-140 as US Highways back then. (138 seems like a silly number choice, though, as it has been in continuous use since 1926.)
OR-140/NV-140 is also the one of only three cases of Oregon route numbers being maintained across a state line--and the only substantial one. The Winnemucca Convention & Visitors Authority brochure seems to suggest ODOT may have been in on the "Winnemucca to the Sea"/US-140 scheme, too (see page 3).
According to Wikipedia, OR-138 and OR-140 were commissioned in the 1960s, before US-126 had been decommissioned. I'd be curious to know a more precise date on that, as well as the date when NV-140 got its current number. The "Winnemucca to the Sea" concept, according to the brochure, also involved US-199, which would have become "parentless" in 1964 with the decommissioning of US-99, and could have been renumbered as part of US-140.
Hope I didn't make too much of an off-road excursion bringing a bunch of Oregon stuff into the Pacific Southwest board . . .
-Alex (Tarkus)
Alex:
How would the number of MSR 140 to U.S. 140 played out given that the Maryland to Pennsylvania one lasted until 1980?
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