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Started by hbelkins, March 04, 2021, 09:32:12 PM

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What is your covid vaccination status?

I have taken the first shot, but not yet taken the second one.
22 (16.4%)
I have taken both shots.
74 (55.2%)
I plan to take the one-dose shot when it's available in my area.
4 (3%)
My priority group is not yet eligible, but I plan to take it when I can.
16 (11.9%)
I have not had covid and I don't plan to take the shot at all.
14 (10.4%)
I've already had covid so I don't need to/don't plan to take the shot.
3 (2.2%)
I've already had covid but I do plan to take the shot.
7 (5.2%)

Total Members Voted: 134

Duke87

#650
Quote from: Jim on April 13, 2021, 05:17:13 PM
People's reactions to this "pause", like so much of what we've seen in the era of COVID-19, demonstrates the massive failure of mathematics education over at least a few decades.

Even moreso than that, lack of critical thinking skills. You know how most people only read the headline of an article and immediately jump to conclusions? Yeah.

At any rate, I have to echo the sentiment that this is government bureaucracy... doing what it does. They're following the standard procedure for when a potential problem with a drug is spotted. Said procedure never considered the possibility that delaying administration of a particular drug might carry far greater risk than continuing to administer it in spite of a potential problem, because said procedure was not written with battling an active pandemic in mind. But since it is the procedure, the bureaucracy will follow it, consequences be damned.

The FDA is likely relatively powerless to push back against hesitancy arising from this issue anyway - freedom of the press means they don't get to control the message. Sensationalized news about blood clots was going to spread around and freak people out regardless of what the FDA did, so they might as well cover their asses.

Of course, that ass-covering will inevitably be interpreted as an admission from the government that the J&J vaccine is not safe, and this will persist long after the government clears it for use again. If you doubt this, look no further than how many people still say they will refuse to fly on a 737 MAX because they don't trust it is safe. When you approve something, pull it due to safety concerns, then reapprove it, you naturally trigger a "fool me once..." mentality in people.
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Scott5114

#651
Quote from: J N Winkler on April 13, 2021, 04:50:03 PM
I'm actually a bit more worried about the new and improved version of the British variant, B.1.1.7, as it has the E484K mutation that is associated with enhanced resistance to vaccines.

Isn't one of the benefits of the mRNA vaccines that the the mRNA code can be quickly rewritten to target specific variants and mutations? So it would be possible for Pfizer and Moderna to release a vaccine v1.1 and administer it as a booster shot?

Quote from: Jim on April 13, 2021, 05:17:13 PM
People's reactions to this "pause", like so much of what we've seen in the era of COVID-19, demonstrates the massive failure of mathematics education over at least a few decades.  I don't know enough to judge how appropriate it was to issue the advisory to states to pause J&J usage, but I do know so many people's reactions indicate a total lack of ability to understand very large numbers and very small probabilities, and to compare the relative risks of various courses of action.  When someone says "why do I need to learn all this math" or "why do I have to help my kid through all this math", I think we have an excellent response.

Problem is that, in my math education, we spent months and months on things like how to graph parabolas and didn't even touch on probability. No wonder Oklahoma has so many casinos...
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Mapmikey

Quote from: Jim on April 13, 2021, 05:17:13 PM
People's reactions to this "pause", like so much of what we've seen in the era of COVID-19, demonstrates the massive failure of mathematics education over at least a few decades.  I don't know enough to judge how appropriate it was to issue the advisory to states to pause J&J usage, but I do know so many people's reactions indicate a total lack of ability to understand very large numbers and very small probabilities, and to compare the relative risks of various courses of action.  When someone says "why do I need to learn all this math" or "why do I have to help my kid through all this math", I think we have an excellent response.

A version of this happens in my field of work, too (Health Physics/Occupational Radiation Safety), when interacting with members of the public or employees who have no formal training with radioactive material and principles surrounding it.  Because radiation cannot be seen or otherwise sensed by humans, a lot of people struggle with concepts surrounding the quantification of it.

For example I can talk about the difference/relationship between a foot and a mile and people understand what that is.  If I instead say I have a (traditional unit) Curie of radioactive material (a large unit - 37 billion decays per sec) or a SI unit Becquerel (a tiny unit - 1 decay per sec).  People don't really know what that means.

kphoger

Quote from: Jim on April 13, 2021, 05:17:13 PM
People's reactions to this "pause", like so much of what we've seen in the era of COVID-19, demonstrates the massive failure of mathematics education over at least a few decades.  I don't know enough to judge how appropriate it was to issue the advisory to states to pause J&J usage, but I do know so many people's reactions indicate a total lack of ability to understand very large numbers and very small probabilities, and to compare the relative risks of various courses of action.  When someone says "why do I need to learn all this math" or "why do I have to help my kid through all this math", I think we have an excellent response.

I am, however, confident that the CDC and FDA have a good understanding of probability and large numbers.

Quote from: webny99 on April 13, 2021, 10:31:03 PM
One thing that hasn't been mentioned much in this discussion, and shouldn't be underrated, is that many people are more willing to get vaccinated if it's only one shot.

I haven't heard that from any person I know.  The people I know just want to get whatever has the least severe side-effects.

Quote from: Duke87 on April 14, 2021, 12:46:33 AM
At any rate, I have to echo the sentiment that this is government bureaucracy... doing what it does. They're following the standard procedure for when a potential problem with a drug is spotted. Said procedure never considered the possibility that delaying administration of a particular drug might carry far greater risk than continuing to administer it in spite of a potential problem, because said procedure was not written with battling an active pandemic in mind. But since it is the procedure, the bureaucracy will follow it, consequences be damned.

Actually, I assume the procedures were written with that possibility in mind.  Their job is to ensure that the products they approve are safe for use–and that job doesn't change just because of current events.  Whether there is an ongoing pandemic or not, their job is still to ensure that the products they approve are safe for use.  I imagine the possibility of greater potential harm was in everyone's mind, but they understood their responsibility to be for only their piece of the whole puzzle.
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J N Winkler

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 14, 2021, 02:56:29 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on April 13, 2021, 04:50:03 PMI'm actually a bit more worried about the new and improved version of the British variant, B.1.1.7, as it has the E484K mutation that is associated with enhanced resistance to vaccines.

Isn't one of the benefits of the mRNA vaccines that the the mRNA code can be quickly rewritten to target specific variants and mutations? So it would be possible for Pfizer and Moderna to release a vaccine v1.1 and administer it as a booster shot?

Yes, and in fact Moderna has a booster under development that specifically targets the South African variant (mRNA-1273.351; original Moderna is mRNA-1273).  It remains to be seen whether testing and production can be expedited sufficiently to stamp out highly transmissible variants as they emerge.  It is said that boosters won't need to go through all of the same studies as the original vaccine, but I'm not aware of even one SRA that has approved a booster.
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webny99

Quote from: kphoger on April 14, 2021, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: webny99 on April 13, 2021, 10:31:03 PM
One thing that hasn't been mentioned much in this discussion, and shouldn't be underrated, is that many people are more willing to get vaccinated if it's only one shot.

I haven't heard that from any person I know.  The people I know just want to get whatever has the least severe side-effects.

I haven't not heard that from any person I know (well, OK, that is a slight exaggeration, especially given that most of the older people I know have been vaccinated for a while now). But it seems like a lot of people don't want to deal with the bother of getting two shots. I tend to think about it with a bit more nuance and I've been back and forth. At least for now, though, it's a moot point since the two-part is the only option.

jmacswimmer

^

Certainly not a sample size, but in the tweet I linked upthread about MD pausing J&J and subbing in Pfizer at one of their mass vaccination sites, one of the replies was someone complaining that they'd now have to make that drive twice.
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davewiecking

Pfizer #2 in the arm yesterday. Same Giant Food pharmacy, which had the date/time filled in on the back of the card after #1. Same professional did the jabbing; I complimented her on how painless the first one had been. No significant effects from first; I'm slightly more aware of my left shoulder than last time.

hbelkins

I find it interesting that the J&J shot got pulled because of six cases of blood clots in about 7 million people, yet the Pfizer and Moderna shots are deemed OK despite VAERS death rates in the actual whole number percentages. (At one point I read that it was 3 percent for one shot and 6 percent for the other).

Correlation may not equal causation, but how long was it after Hank Aaron got his second shot that he died?


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hotdogPi

Quote from: hbelkins on April 14, 2021, 02:02:37 PM
Correlation may not equal causation, but how long was it after Hank Aaron got his second shot that he died?

An adult chosen at random has about a 8-10% chance that they received the vaccine within the last week (12-15% if you include each shot separately). This would mean that for every 10-12 celebrity deaths, on average, one of them would have received the vaccine within the last week. Nothing unusual.
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JayhawkCO

Just got shot #2.  I updated my response in the poll.  For a couple of topic that were discussed earlier in the thread:

This time I got it in the left arm as that was how the chair was set up compared to her desk, whereas last time I got it in the right.

I brought my WHO "Yellow Card" that has my Yellow Fever vaccine info on it, but she said she didn't want to sign off since it was "two different programs".  I didn't push it.

This time they actually asked for my ID vs. last time where I just gave them my name.

Quick and easy and 3 minutes from check-in to getting poked.  Sat around for the customary 15 minutes before heading back home. 

Chris

Mapmikey

Quote from: hbelkins on April 14, 2021, 02:02:37 PM
I find it interesting that the J&J shot got pulled because of six cases of blood clots in about 7 million people, yet the Pfizer and Moderna shots are deemed OK despite VAERS death rates in the actual whole number percentages. (At one point I read that it was 3 percent for one shot and 6 percent for the other).

Correlation may not equal causation, but how long was it after Hank Aaron got his second shot that he died?

VAERS is self-reporting (meaning cranks can put anything out there if they want) and therefore the CDC investigates to attempt to determine if the vaccine caused the adverse reaction.

CDC statement on COVID vaccines and VAERS - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

From Reuters:
Of the 145 million COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in the United States from Dec. 14, 2020 through March 29, 2021, "VAERS received 2,509 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."  Having reviewed "available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records,"  the CDC found "no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths"  (web link above was cited).

6% deaths out of tens of millions of doses is at least 600,000 people.  Pretty sure that many people dying in a ~3 month period would not escape notice.

TravelingBethelite

Getting my first Pfizer/Moderna shot this Friday followed by my second dose in early May, at the clinic being run by MU Health Care at Faurot Field (though I've heard some of the shots are being done by upperclassman students in the School of Health and those doing their residency at University Hospital - not that I mind either).
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NE2

Quote from: kphoger on April 14, 2021, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: webny99 on April 13, 2021, 10:31:03 PM
One thing that hasn't been mentioned much in this discussion, and shouldn't be underrated, is that many people are more willing to get vaccinated if it's only one shot.

I haven't heard that from any person I know.  The people I know just want to get whatever has the least severe side-effects.

I know someone who is terrified of needles. They only agreed to go with me to get jabbed because it was a single shot.
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Quote from: hbelkins on April 14, 2021, 02:02:37 PM
I find it interesting that the J&J shot got pulled because of six cases of blood clots in about 7 million people, yet the Pfizer and Moderna shots are deemed OK despite VAERS death rates in the actual whole number percentages. (At one point I read that it was 3 percent for one shot and 6 percent for the other).

Correlation may not equal causation, but how long was it after Hank Aaron got his second shot that he died?
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Rothman

Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 14, 2021, 08:40:42 PM
Getting my first Pfizer/Moderna shot this Friday followed by my second dose in early May, at the clinic being run by MU Health Care at Faurot Field (though I've heard some of the shots are being done by upperclassman students in the School of Health and those doing their residency at University Hospital - not that I mind either).
You either get Pfizer or Moderna.

There can be only one.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

US71

Quote from: Rothman on April 14, 2021, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 14, 2021, 08:40:42 PM
Getting my first Pfizer/Moderna shot this Friday followed by my second dose in early May, at the clinic being run by MU Health Care at Faurot Field (though I've heard some of the shots are being done by upperclassman students in the School of Health and those doing their residency at University Hospital - not that I mind either).
You either get Pfizer or Moderna.

There can be only one.



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Max Rockatansky

Supposedly the second shot for me is going down tomorrow at 0830.

Ketchup99

Got my first Pfizer dose an hour and a half away in Indiana, Pennsylvania. Feel like crap, but that's a small price to pay. I'll be back for my second in three weeks and then sleep for a day or two.

Duke87

Quote from: Duke87 on March 25, 2021, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 24, 2021, 10:58:25 PM
The current situation means that NY should surpass CT in vaccinations in the near future as recent appointment difficulties will cause a plateau.

Well, this is empirically testable. Let's see how things look in a few weeks, shall we?

Update three weeks later...

CT: 45.7% 1+ doses, 29.2% fully vaccinated
NY: 40.4% 1+ doses, 26.4% fully vaccinated

And by ranking:

CT: 3/50 shots per capita (was: 5/50), 5/50 fully vaccinated (was: 4/50)
NY: 12/50 shots per capita (was: 29/50), 12/50 fully vaccinated (was: 41/50)


So, CT is solidly still ahead of NY, and by about the same number of percentage points that they were a few weeks ago.

NY has climbed higher in the rankings than it was, though this is less a question of NY stepping up its game and more a question of a lot of states that were doing quite well before are running out of residents willing to get jabbed.
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TravelingBethelite

Quote from: US71 on April 14, 2021, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 14, 2021, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 14, 2021, 08:40:42 PM
Getting my first Pfizer/Moderna shot this Friday followed by my second dose in early May, at the clinic being run by MU Health Care at Faurot Field (though I've heard some of the shots are being done by upperclassman students in the School of Health and those doing their residency at University Hospital - not that I mind either).
You either get Pfizer or Moderna.

There can be only one.



That is to say, they decide on the spot - probably whatever's been out longest.
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Rothman

#671
Quote from: Duke87 on April 15, 2021, 02:02:44 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on March 25, 2021, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 24, 2021, 10:58:25 PM
The current situation means that NY should surpass CT in vaccinations in the near future as recent appointment difficulties will cause a plateau.

Well, this is empirically testable. Let's see how things look in a few weeks, shall we?

Update three weeks later...

CT: 45.7% 1+ doses, 29.2% fully vaccinated
NY: 40.4% 1+ doses, 26.4% fully vaccinated

And by ranking:

CT: 3/50 shots per capita (was: 5/50), 5/50 fully vaccinated (was: 4/50)
NY: 12/50 shots per capita (was: 29/50), 12/50 fully vaccinated (was: 41/50)


So, CT is solidly still ahead of NY, and by about the same number of percentage points that they were a few weeks ago.

NY has climbed higher in the rankings than it was, though this is less a question of NY stepping up its game and more a question of a lot of states that were doing quite well before are running out of residents willing to get jabbed.
I smell fear.  Yep, NY is rising, just like I said it would.  And, since the percentage gap is the same, NY is now keeping pace with CT in terms of percentage points added over time, rather than falling behind or anything that would support a dire painting of the state of vaccinations in NY.

Give it some more time.  We'll pass you eventually.  I mean, I know the rates per capita are to simply help compare across state lines, but we have distributed more than five times the doses than your dinky state (literally millions more). :D
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

LM117

Quote from: Ketchup99 on April 15, 2021, 12:15:27 AM
Got my first Pfizer dose an hour and a half away in Indiana, Pennsylvania.

That must've been one long needle.
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JayhawkCO

Quote from: jayhawkco on April 14, 2021, 02:28:55 PM
Just got shot #2.  I updated my response in the poll.  For a couple of topic that were discussed earlier in the thread:

This time I got it in the left arm as that was how the chair was set up compared to her desk, whereas last time I got it in the right.

I brought my WHO "Yellow Card" that has my Yellow Fever vaccine info on it, but she said she didn't want to sign off since it was "two different programs".  I didn't push it.

This time they actually asked for my ID vs. last time where I just gave them my name.

Quick and easy and 3 minutes from check-in to getting poked.  Sat around for the customary 15 minutes before heading back home. 

Chris

Update on side effects.  Didn't sleep very well last night due to a) not being able to lay on my left side and b) going hot and cold all night.  When I woke up in the morning, I was a little bit nauseous, but that seems to have gone away for the most part.

Chris

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Second shot just obtained, I am now the Lord of the Lizard People.  All will fear me and my 5G death beams.



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