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NWI_Irish96:

--- Quote from: hobsini2 on August 10, 2022, 11:02:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: lstone19 on August 08, 2022, 11:05:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Revive 755 on August 08, 2022, 10:09:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: lstone19 on August 08, 2022, 09:16:08 AM ---
Haven't figured out why they still have one lane open through the old cash plazas since all the high-speed plazas are now "I-Pass or Pay by Plate." I think it's been long enough for almost everyone to know there is no more cash collection.

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Probably some combination of capacity issues and weaving for those plazas near interchanges - particularly for the Army Trail and Boughton Plazas on I-355.

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Any weaving problem is the result of allowing traffic to go through the old cash lanes. Close them and problem goes away.

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What's more questionable is the newer sign for the westbound plaza at the Genoa Road exit marking the wide I-Pass lane for 15 mph.

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There shouldn’t even be ramp tolls at Genoa Rd. Their presence is one of ISTHA’s broken promises when they went to one-way tolling at Hampshire and Belvedere which was round-trip travelers woulnd’t pay any more. Travelers who make round-trips to/from Genoa Rd. were told they’d pay the double-toll one direction and no toll the other direction. But then someone said “but some people are getting a free ride” so they decided to screw the Genoa Rd. users. Just one more reason ISTHA’s tolls on I-90 have become super-screwed up (e.g. I-290 at Schaumburg to U.S. 20 at Marengo costs $0.75 but Barrington Rd to IL-47 at Huntley, completely contained within the I-290 to U.S. 20 trip, costs $1.50 with an entry toll (no entry toll five miles back at I-290), the Elgin mainline toll, and an exit toll (no exit toll four miles ahead at U.S. 20)).

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Absolutely agree. This is why I was saying the ISTHA needs to reevaluate the mainline tolls "areas of influence" months ago.

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I've always looked at it this way and don't know why it couldn't be done.

On an E-W tollway, take the midpoint between any two mainline toll plazas. Interchanges east of that midpoint have westbound entry and westbound exit tolls only. Interchanges west of that midpoint have eastbound entry and eastbound exit tolls only. Seems like the fairest way of doing it.

Yes, if you happen to be someone who gets on one interchange on one side of that midpoint and go to the next one on the other side you kinda get screwed, but it still seems like the fairest way.

Joe The Dragon:
just do an EOE and add more tolling points

lstone19:

--- Quote from: hobsini2 on August 10, 2022, 11:02:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: lstone19 on August 08, 2022, 11:05:07 PM ---There shouldn’t even be ramp tolls at Genoa Rd. Their presence is one of ISTHA’s broken promises when they went to one-way tolling at Hampshire and Belvedere which was round-trip travelers woulnd’t pay any more. Travelers who make round-trips to/from Genoa Rd. were told they’d pay the double-toll one direction and no toll the other direction. But then someone said “but some people are getting a free ride” so they decided to screw the Genoa Rd. users. Just one more reason ISTHA’s tolls on I-90 have become super-screwed up (e.g. I-290 at Schaumburg to U.S. 20 at Marengo costs $0.75 but Barrington Rd to IL-47 at Huntley, completely contained within the I-290 to U.S. 20 trip, costs $1.50 with an entry toll (no entry toll five miles back at I-290), the Elgin mainline toll, and an exit toll (no exit toll four miles ahead at U.S. 20)).

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Absolutely agree. This is why I was saying the ISTHA needs to reevaluate the mainline tolls "areas of influence" months ago.

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I-90 began getting screwed up more than 25 years ago when the eliminated the WB entry toll at I-290. Originally, things were balanced with the areas of influence of the mainline tolls being Kennedy to Barrington Rd. (originally WB exit/EB entry only) for the O'Hare complex tolls and IL-59 (originally EB exit/WB entry only) to US-20 (Marengo/Hampshire) for the Elgin toll. Roselle Rd. was also WB exit/EB entry) so after the I-290 ramp tolls to/from the west, there were no other ramp tolls until IL-25 to/from the east. Then they started making a real mess of things when the added the Beverly Rd. ramps to/from the east without ramp tolls even though in the Elgin toll area of influence. Their solution to that potential free ride was first to add the EB exit toll at IL-59 and then add the WB exit tolls at Roselle Rd., Barrington Rd., IL-59 and Beverly Rd. With that, the WB boundary between areas of influence moved to I-290. It also created what I consider a flaw in that a person entering EB at IL-25 paid an entry toll but then had no place the could exit without paying another toll (I believe that having paid a toll, there should be at least one place you can exit without paying another toll).

If you subscribe to the idea of "areas of influence" for a mainline toll, then there should never be a place where there is both an exit and an entry toll in the same direction. And there should be a boundary interchange (could be split between two half-interchanges as it used to be between Barrington Rd., and IL-59) where there are no ramp tolls. This has been grossly violated by ISTHA on I-90 with ramp tolls both ways at Meacham Rd. (partial interchange - WB exit and entry only), Roselle Rd., Barrington Rd., and IL-47. And none of that gets into the mess they created with the one-way tolls west of the US-20 Marengo/Hampshire interchange. I suspect their thinking is that some of these ramp tolls are to pay for the interchange improvements rather than the mainline usage but that's not how tolling has traditionally worked. But it's also created the bizarre situation I encountered a couple of years ago when I-90 was closed due to "police activity" between US-20 (Marengo/Hampshire) and IL-47 with traffic detoured via US-20 and IL-47. But ISTHA was not going to be denied their entry tolls at IL-47 so the detoured traffic paid more in tolls for the "privilege" of a longer and slower back roads route.

Fortunately, we're moving in two months to a state without toll roads after which I can largely put ISTHA and their bizarre tolls behind me.

abefroman329:

--- Quote from: lstone19 on August 08, 2022, 11:05:07 PM ---Any weaving problem is the result of allowing traffic to go through the old cash lanes. Close them and problem goes away.
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OK, but then you'd have to block the entrance with the cash lanes with Jersey barriers or something similar, lest someone drive towards the cash lanes, discover they're all closed, and then do something boneheaded like reversing (or, worse, driving in the wrong direction) to get back to the ETC lanes.  And then there's a risk of someone who's driving using muscle memory crashing into the barriers.

And you still have to leave at least one cash line (ideally, more than one, given the backups I've seen) open on 294 south at Irving Park, 294 north before Touhy, etc.

hobsini2:

--- Quote from: lstone19 on August 10, 2022, 11:48:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: hobsini2 on August 10, 2022, 11:02:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: lstone19 on August 08, 2022, 11:05:07 PM ---There shouldn’t even be ramp tolls at Genoa Rd. Their presence is one of ISTHA’s broken promises when they went to one-way tolling at Hampshire and Belvedere which was round-trip travelers woulnd’t pay any more. Travelers who make round-trips to/from Genoa Rd. were told they’d pay the double-toll one direction and no toll the other direction. But then someone said “but some people are getting a free ride” so they decided to screw the Genoa Rd. users. Just one more reason ISTHA’s tolls on I-90 have become super-screwed up (e.g. I-290 at Schaumburg to U.S. 20 at Marengo costs $0.75 but Barrington Rd to IL-47 at Huntley, completely contained within the I-290 to U.S. 20 trip, costs $1.50 with an entry toll (no entry toll five miles back at I-290), the Elgin mainline toll, and an exit toll (no exit toll four miles ahead at U.S. 20)).

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Absolutely agree. This is why I was saying the ISTHA needs to reevaluate the mainline tolls "areas of influence" months ago.

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I-90 began getting screwed up more than 25 years ago when the eliminated the WB entry toll at I-290. Originally, things were balanced with the areas of influence of the mainline tolls being Kennedy to Barrington Rd. (originally WB exit/EB entry only) for the O'Hare complex tolls and IL-59 (originally EB exit/WB entry only) to US-20 (Marengo/Hampshire) for the Elgin toll. Roselle Rd. was also WB exit/EB entry) so after the I-290 ramp tolls to/from the west, there were no other ramp tolls until IL-25 to/from the east. Then they started making a real mess of things when the added the Beverly Rd. ramps to/from the east without ramp tolls even though in the Elgin toll area of influence. Their solution to that potential free ride was first to add the EB exit toll at IL-59 and then add the WB exit tolls at Roselle Rd., Barrington Rd., IL-59 and Beverly Rd. With that, the WB boundary between areas of influence moved to I-290. It also created what I consider a flaw in that a person entering EB at IL-25 paid an entry toll but then had no place the could exit without paying another toll (I believe that having paid a toll, there should be at least one place you can exit without paying another toll).

If you subscribe to the idea of "areas of influence" for a mainline toll, then there should never be a place where there is both an exit and an entry toll in the same direction. And there should be a boundary interchange (could be split between two half-interchanges as it used to be between Barrington Rd., and IL-59) where there are no ramp tolls. This has been grossly violated by ISTHA on I-90 with ramp tolls both ways at Meacham Rd. (partial interchange - WB exit and entry only), Roselle Rd., Barrington Rd., and IL-47. And none of that gets into the mess they created with the one-way tolls west of the US-20 Marengo/Hampshire interchange. I suspect their thinking is that some of these ramp tolls are to pay for the interchange improvements rather than the mainline usage but that's not how tolling has traditionally worked. But it's also created the bizarre situation I encountered a couple of years ago when I-90 was closed due to "police activity" between US-20 (Marengo/Hampshire) and IL-47 with traffic detoured via US-20 and IL-47. But ISTHA was not going to be denied their entry tolls at IL-47 so the detoured traffic paid more in tolls for the "privilege" of a longer and slower back roads route.

Fortunately, we're moving in two months to a state without toll roads after which I can largely put ISTHA and their bizarre tolls behind me.

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In the case of Route 25 having a toll and not getting off without a free point, Route 59 was that free point ages ago when it was a EB off/WB only interchange.

As i posted before...
I-88 Reagan (E-W) Twy
York/Meyers I-290 to Rt 59
Aurora Rt 59 to Rt 47
DeKalb Rt 47 to I-39/US 51
Dixon I-39 to US 30

I-90 Jane Addams (NW) Twy
River/Devon I-190/Kennedy Expy to I-290/Rt 53
Elgin I-290/Rt 53 to Rt 47
Marengo/Belvidere Rt 47 to I-39/US 20/US 51
South Beloit I-39/US 20/US 51 to Rockton Rd
(Honestly, they should move the South Beloit Toll to south of Riverside Blvd. and make it Rockford or do a split direction like they did with Marengo/Belvidere with the plazas at the current South Beloit for Northwestbound and south of Riverside Blvd for Southeastbound)

I-94/I-294/I-80 Tri State Twy
163rd St I-94/Rt 394 to Rt 50 Cicero Ave/127th St
83rd/82nd Rt 50 Cicero Ave/127th St to I-55
Cermak I-55 to I-290
Irving Park/Touhy I-290 to Willow Rd
*NEW Half Day Willow Rd to Rt 132 Grand Ave (This would include the Edens Spur Plaza at Pfingsten Rd. I would put this just north of Rt 22 Half Day Rd)
Waukegan Rt 132 Grand Ave to US 41

I-355 Veterans Memorial (N-S) Twy
Spring Creek I-80 to I-55
Boughton I-55 to I-88
Army Trail I-88 to I-290 (the free section north of Army Trail remains free)

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