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WIS 29 - Interstate Standard? Or no?

Started by merrycilantro, May 25, 2012, 01:04:53 AM

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The Ghostbuster

Even if STH-29 were completely brought up to Interstate Standards from Interstate 94 to Interstate 41, something I would support, it would probably be decades, or even a century or more before such a conversion were completed. Same with upgrading portions of US 10, US 12, US 41, US 51, US 53, US 141, US 151, STH-23 and STH-57 to full freeway standards.


thspfc

I doubt WI-29 will be an Interstate within the next 50 years, but if and when that conversion does happen, I would rather it be numbered I-96 than I-98, as I feel like the 98 number should be saved for a more northern corridor. I doubt there would be any confusion with the Michigan Interstate.

Roadsguy

Quote from: thspfc on April 13, 2021, 10:55:15 PM
I doubt there would be any confusion with the Michigan Interstate.

Plus if they ever built a bridge across Lake Michigan then the two I-96's would become one. :bigass:
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The Ghostbuster

I'd like to see anyone try to build a bridge across any of the Great Lakes, excluding the Interstate 75 Mackinac Bridge in Michigan.

SkyPesos

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 14, 2021, 09:32:55 PM
I'd like to see anyone try to build a bridge across any of the Great Lakes, excluding the Interstate 75 Mackinac Bridge in Michigan.
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peterj920

Wis 29 is a model Highway to be built on a limited budget and many southern states should take note. There isn't a single traffic signal or stop between I-94 and I-41. Freeway bypasses were built around cities guaranteeing that development won't interfere with traffic flow. Even with the intersections in rural areas traffic flows just about as well as a full freeway.

As intersections become busier upgrades will occur. Between the Shawano Co Line and I-41, Wis 29 will become full freeway by next year. A project is underway to build a new Hwy VV Interchange and remove the Hwy U intersection and will m Since the removal of the Wis 156 intersection, there has been an uptick in crashes there since Old 29 is used as a "short cut"  between Wis 29 and Wis 156.

dvferyance

#56
I could definitely see WI-29 as a full freeway all the way out to Shawano. There are many at grade separations as is. But I doubt it will ever be a full freeway the whole way. There may be a few other at grade intersections here and there that get overpassed.

chrismarion100


mgk920

Quote from: Roadsguy on April 14, 2021, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: thspfc on April 13, 2021, 10:55:15 PM
I doubt there would be any confusion with the Michigan Interstate.

Plus if they ever built a bridge across Lake Michigan then the two I-96's would become one. :bigass:

More so, there is a 'WI 96' that runs east-west from US 10 in Fremont, WI through Appleton to I-43 in Denmark, WI, not far from WI 29.

Mike

SEWIGuy

Quote from: mgk920 on August 05, 2021, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on April 14, 2021, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: thspfc on April 13, 2021, 10:55:15 PM
I doubt there would be any confusion with the Michigan Interstate.

Plus if they ever built a bridge across Lake Michigan then the two I-96's would become one. :bigass:

More so, there is a 'WI 96' that runs east-west from US 10 in Fremont, WI through Appleton to I-43 in Denmark, WI, not far from WI 29.

Mike


Which could probably be decommissioned without much effort.

thspfc

Quote from: mgk920 on August 05, 2021, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on April 14, 2021, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: thspfc on April 13, 2021, 10:55:15 PM
I doubt there would be any confusion with the Michigan Interstate.

Plus if they ever built a bridge across Lake Michigan then the two I-96's would become one. :bigass:

More so, there is a 'WI 96' that runs east-west from US 10 in Fremont, WI through Appleton to I-43 in Denmark, WI, not far from WI 29.

Mike
Just renumber it to WI-196.

US 12 fan

There's an I-96 in Michigan. I would suggest I-98 if they ever do that because it would be easier to decommission Highway 98 since it only runs for sixteen miles and Highway 96 runs for 56 miles. You could make it Highway 196 or 198 afterwards. Or it you want to be different, make it a single digit highway since we don't have any in this state except US 2 and 8. However, there is a potential Interstate 98 that is being proposed in New York.


Big John

Quote from: US 12 fan on August 07, 2021, 12:22:25 PM
There's an I-96 in Michigan. I would suggest I-98 if they ever do that because it would be easier to decommission Highway 98 since it only runs for sixteen miles and Highway 96 runs for 56 miles. You could make it Highway 196 or 198 afterwards. Or it you want to be different, make it a single digit highway since we don't have any in this state except US 2 and 8. However, there is a potential Interstate 98 that is being proposed in New York.


It would be a western 96 or 98.

thspfc

Quote from: US 12 fan on August 07, 2021, 12:22:25 PM
There's an I-96 in Michigan. I would suggest I-98 if they ever do that because it would be easier to decommission Highway 98 since it only runs for sixteen miles and Highway 96 runs for 56 miles. You could make it Highway 196 or 198 afterwards. Or it you want to be different, make it a single digit highway since we don't have any in this state except US 2 and 8. However, there is a potential Interstate 98 that is being proposed in New York.
If WI-29 became I-96, the two I-96s would be further apart by driving distance than the two I-87s (the New York and VA/NC ones) once the southern I-87 is completed. So if you're not annoyed by the proximity of the 87s, then the proximity of the 96s would be no problem.

skluth

Knowing Wisconsin, they'll extend I-43 along it. They can then up the I-39/90/94 triplex to a quadraplex as they make I-43 a complete loop within the state.

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: skluth on August 07, 2021, 07:15:48 PM
Knowing Wisconsin, they'll extend I-43 along it. They can then up the I-39/90/94 triplex to a quadraplex as they make I-43 a complete loop within the state.

Maybe they'll make it I-29.  :spin:
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SSOWorld

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 07, 2021, 07:46:48 PM
Quote from: skluth on August 07, 2021, 07:15:48 PM
Knowing Wisconsin, they'll extend I-43 along it. They can then up the I-39/90/94 triplex to a quadraplex as they make I-43 a complete loop within the state.

Maybe they'll make it I-29.  :spin:
Scott O.

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JREwing78

Fun fact: If the expressway section of Hwy 29 between I-94 and I-41 ever got an Interstate designation, it would run 196 miles, 5 miles longer than I-43 and 4 miles longer than I-96 in Michigan. WisDOT could also extend it along WIS 172 to I-43 for 10 additional miles.

chrismarion100

#68
Then they could route it to WI 57 for another 10 miles (VIA WI 172) and if WisDOT really want to extend it they could upgrade the expressway part of WI 57 to freeway standards making another 32 miles ending just outside of Sturgeon Bay making a total distance of 240 miles

triplemultiplex

Quote from: US 12 fan on August 07, 2021, 12:22:25 PM
There's an I-96 in Michigan. I would suggest I-98 if they ever do that because it would be easier to decommission Highway 98 since it only runs for sixteen miles and Highway 96 runs for 56 miles. You could make it Highway 196 or 198 afterwards. Or it you want to be different, make it a single digit highway since we don't have any in this state except US 2 and 8. However, there is a potential Interstate 98 that is being proposed in New York.

In the I-98 scenario, WI 98 is a natural extension of WI 153.

Nothing's impossible, but I have to figure WI is done with new mainline interstates.  US 53 was an original pitch but will never come back because there isn't the traffic and almost certainly never will be.  The only snowball's chance in hell is if WI and IA got super ambitious about the US 151 corridor, but even that is pushing it.
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SEWIGuy

I would think US-151 between I-39/90 and I-41 would become an interstate before WI-29.  But even that's a long way off, and I don't think WIDOT seems very interested in 3dis since there are numerous highways that would qualify for them now.

gr8daynegb

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 09, 2021, 03:10:41 PM
I would think US-151 between I-39/90 and I-41 would become an interstate before WI-29.  But even that's a long way off, and I don't think WIDOT seems very interested in 3dis since there are numerous highways that would qualify for them now.

At this point I think WI-441 would be the leader in the clubhouse for US or State highways in the state that could receive an interstate upgrade.

If an interstate was to be extended then maybe I-41 extended to Abrams, or 39 up to US 8 or near it......maybe
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thspfc

Quote from: gr8daynegb on August 09, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 09, 2021, 03:10:41 PM
I would think US-151 between I-39/90 and I-41 would become an interstate before WI-29.  But even that's a long way off, and I don't think WIDOT seems very interested in 3dis since there are numerous highways that would qualify for them now.

At this point I think WI-441 would be the leader in the clubhouse for US or State highways in the state that could receive an interstate upgrade.

If an interstate was to be extended then maybe I-41 extended to Abrams, or 39 up to US 8 or near it......maybe
I don't know what is stopping WISDOT from slapping the red and blue shields on WI-441. They would have no problem getting federal approval to make it an Interstate. They wouldn't even have to change the number.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on August 09, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 09, 2021, 03:10:41 PM
I would think US-151 between I-39/90 and I-41 would become an interstate before WI-29.  But even that's a long way off, and I don't think WIDOT seems very interested in 3dis since there are numerous highways that would qualify for them now.

At this point I think WI-441 would be the leader in the clubhouse for US or State highways in the state that could receive an interstate upgrade.

If an interstate was to be extended then maybe I-41 extended to Abrams, or 39 up to US 8 or near it......maybe
I don't know what is stopping WISDOT from slapping the red and blue shields on WI-441. They would have no problem getting federal approval to make it an Interstate. They wouldn't even have to change the number.

Or WI-172, US-12, US-45, etc. they're just not interested.

mgk920

For such a 'promotion' on WI 441, I'm thinking that there are substandard sections on the Outagamie County part, mainly relating to narrow shoulders.

Mike



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