I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to this question: why are state routes rarely signed on their duplexes with US highways and why are US and state highways almost never posted on Interstates? Yeah, yeah, I know that Arkansas uses sections and only rarely do these sections actually overlap. Arkansas used to be very good at co-signing duplexed highways, up until the '90s. Don't give me "Dothan" as an excuse either. I recently visited Mena, and heading west on AR 8 at the junction with US 59-71, there is no signage confirming that AR 8 turns left and there are no AR 8 or 88 trailblazers along US 71 like there used to be. If you're trying to follow AR 8 or AR 88 through Mena by following signage alone, you're going to get lost. Instead of "Take AR 8 from Norman to Rocky" you now have to say "Take AR 8 to US 59-71 to AR 8". It's confusing and frankly quite stupid and an embarrassment to the state. The state highway department needs to make navigation around the state easier, not harder. Another thing that annoys me is the relatively new practice of putting "TO" banners above one of the highways in the duplex. An example is the AR 27-28 duplex near Rover. This is ridiculous, and a waste of signs to boot.
This is what the signage in Mena looked like a few years back. Is this confusing to you? Is AHTD (the organization, not the poster) saying that Arkansans are too dumb to understand that 3 or 4 or more routes can be piggybacked on the same road? That is quite insulting if that is the case.
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Now, some states do it at the other extreme. Like New Hampshire, which always signs "JCT" for the routes you're on (plus the actual one being junctioned). At least you can tell which route you're on, but it's not a junction if you're on it!
Heading northbound on US 59-270 in Spiro, OK, there is a sign assembly that says JCT US 59/271/OK 9, when the sign should just say "JCT OK 9". This is overkill, but is preferable to not signing quarter mile overlaps. Oklahoma is very good at signing piggybacks, at least in the Tulsa district. Not so good in the OKC office, as OK 66 is not signed in OKC very often if at all.
Quote from: bugo on January 15, 2014, 10:29:15 PM
Heading northbound on US 59-270 in Spiro, OK, there is a sign assembly that says JCT US 59/271/OK 9, when the sign should just say "JCT OK 9". This is overkill, but is preferable to not signing quarter mile overlaps. Oklahoma is very good at signing piggybacks, at least in the Tulsa district. Not so good in the OKC office, as OK 66 is not signed in OKC very often if at all.
Colorado doesn't co-sign at all along Interstate Highways.
Mississippi is a hodge-podge.
AHTD... Why is this?
If I'm traveling on US 62 from Eureka Springs towards I-540 (Future I-49)... And I want to follow US 62 into Oklahoma... Where are the signs? And why are they sporadic? It's very random with state highways... Why can't there be a standard? And not based by visiting Dothan, Alabama.
Quote from: M86 on January 18, 2014, 01:58:09 AM
AHTD... Why is this?
If I'm traveling on US 62 from Eureka Springs towards I-540 (Future I-49)... And I want to follow US 62 into Oklahoma... Where are the signs? And why are they sporadic? It's very random with state highways... Why can't there be a standard? And not based by visiting Dothan, Alabama.
What if you're trying to go from, say, Dumas to Harrison? Both towns are on US 65, but to follow the signed route you must take US 65 to I-530 to I-30 to I-40 to US 65, when it would be much simpler to just take US 65. Either AHTD is lazy, cheap, or full of contempt for motorists.
Quote from: bugo on January 18, 2014, 03:04:59 PM
What if you're trying to go from, say, Dumas to Harrison? Both towns are on US 65, but to follow the signed route you must take US 65 to I-530 to I-30 to I-40 to US 65, when it would be much simpler to just take US 65. Either AHTD is lazy, cheap, or full of contempt for motorists.
Bad example, because US 65 is signed where necessary:
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(It's also an argument for moving U.S. Routes onto parallel Interstates wherever possible.)
There's a highway in west central Arkansas (I think it's AR 41) that has a 1/4 mile gap in it where it has a hidden duplex with another highway. How hard would it be to place a few extra signs up so you can follow the highway?
Quote from: bugo on January 18, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
There's a highway in west central Arkansas (I think it's AR 41) that has a 1/4 mile gap in it where it has a hidden duplex with another highway. How hard would it be to place a few extra signs up so you can follow the highway?
Exactly....but they made darn sure to put up all the signage needed to sign one of the most useless overlaps in this area: US 63 from El Dorado to Jct. City, so that it could continue into Louisiana (a dead horse that has taken plenty of beatings here).
But then no signage is applied so that someone can follow it from I-55 to where ever it becomes its own "independent" highway again? :no:
Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.
Quote from: bugo on January 20, 2014, 03:47:34 AM
Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.
Also along State Line Rd where 59 has been gone from for a number of years.
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What's silly to me is US 64 is still posted along US 65B in Conway, except it's
TO West (East) 64. The TO seems a bit redundant and a waste of resources since 64 is already posted.
Quote from: US71 on January 22, 2014, 01:43:39 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 20, 2014, 03:47:34 AM
Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.
Also along State Line Rd where 59 has been gone from for a number of years.
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What's silly to me is US 64 is still posted along US 65B in Conway, except it's TO West (East) 64. The TO seems a bit redundant and a waste of resources since 64 is already posted.
Are you joking?
I'll be down there this weekend, so I'll try to get a few photos
UPDATE
I found an overlap for 71/59 in Texarkana on NB Stateline Rd at 8th St
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59 hasn't been through here since at least 1980.
In Rogers, I've seen a few instances where AHTD did sign multiplexes/conjoining routes... Just east of the worst intersection in Benton County (US 62/Hudson, and N 8th Street/who knows what state highway it is), there is an assembly that lists US 62/AR 94/AR 12. I don't think we've figured out AR 12 alignment yet.
Quote from: M86 on January 23, 2014, 03:56:58 AM
In Rogers, I've seen a few instances where AHTD did sign multiplexes/conjoining routes... Just east of the worst intersection in Benton County (US 62/Hudson, and N 8th Street/who knows what state highway it is), there is an assembly that lists US 62/AR 94/AR 12. I don't think we've figured out AR 12 alignment yet.
Well, if you follow only the free standing signs, it follows Bus 71 from Rainbow Curve to 8th St in Rogers, then north on 8th (AR 94) to Hudson Rd (Hwy 62) then east to 2nd St, south on 2nd to Locust, then east on Locust towards Beaver Lake.
If you believe the exit signs on 540, 12 jumps on the interstate at 71B, off on Hudson (US 62) , east to Second, etc.
Maybe it's a trick to keep trucks off 71B ? :hmmm:
Quote from: US71 on January 23, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: M86 on January 23, 2014, 03:56:58 AM
In Rogers, I've seen a few instances where AHTD did sign multiplexes/conjoining routes... Just east of the worst intersection in Benton County (US 62/Hudson, and N 8th Street/who knows what state highway it is), there is an assembly that lists US 62/AR 94/AR 12. I don't think we've figured out AR 12 alignment yet.
Well, if you follow only the free standing signs, it follows Bus 71 from Rainbow Curve to 8th St in Rogers, then north on 8th (AR 94) to Hudson Rd (Hwy 62) then east to 2nd St, south on 2nd to Locust, then east on Locust towards Beaver Lake.
If you believe the exit signs on 540, 12 jumps on the interstate at 71B, off on Hudson (US 62) , east to Second, etc.
Maybe it's a trick to keep trucks off 71B ? :hmmm:
In my opinion, Arkansas State Routes are useless in urban areas, especially NWA. The purpose of a route is to follow it. If you tried to follow AR 72 or AR 12 in Bentonville/Rogers, you would be driving for days, because of signage, since AHTD can't get that whole signage thing right.
It'd be best to just get rid of state routes in urban areas, and simplify it.
Quote from: M86 on January 25, 2014, 03:49:16 AM
In my opinion, Arkansas State Routes are useless in urban areas, especially NWA. The purpose of a route is to follow it. If you tried to follow AR 72 or AR 12 in Bentonville/Rogers, you would be driving for days, because of signage, since AHTD can't get that whole signage thing right.
IMO, 72 is worse than 12 because WB, it simply "ends" at the US 71 Freeway. EB, I think it's (at least) trailblazed along 71B and 102. I need to get back up that way and verify one of these days.
Of course, there's also the intersection of 8th & Walnut in Rogers where 12 shifts north along 94, but the sign on the light pole says something like "Scenic 12 (straight) "
Quote from: US71 on January 26, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
IMO, 72 is worse than 12 because WB, it simply "ends" at the US 71 Freeway. EB, I think it's (at least) trailblazed along 71B and 102. I need to get back up that way and verify one of these days.
Of course, there's also the intersection of 8th & Walnut in Rogers where 12 shifts north along 94, but the sign on the light pole says something like "Scenic 12 (straight) "
AR 72 and 12 are just lost State Routes. It's a huge mess. The city of Rogers has random "Scenic 12" signage.
And it sucks, because AR 12 leads to Prairie Creek & Hobbs State Area, and Beaver Lake.
Good luck following AR 12 to anything.
Quote from: US71 on January 22, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
I'll be down there this weekend, so I'll try to get a few photos
UPDATE
I found an overlap for 71/59 in Texarkana on NB Stateline Rd at 8th St
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59 hasn't been through here since at least 1980.
U.S. Highway 59 does run concurrently with U.S. Highway 71 from Texarkana to Acorn and then with U.S. Highway 270 into Oklahoma.
Quote from: AHTD on January 28, 2014, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: US71 on January 22, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
I'll be down there this weekend, so I'll try to get a few photos
UPDATE
I found an overlap for 71/59 in Texarkana on NB Stateline Rd at 8th St
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3014%2F3057815706_8b4c3a8c68_z_d.jpg&hash=05b071d39ccfcace3d17429da4beb428d93b4554)
59 hasn't been through here since at least 1980.
U.S. Highway 59 does run concurrently with U.S. Highway 71 from Texarkana to Acorn and then with U.S. Highway 270 into Oklahoma.
59 runs with 71 from I-30 at Texarkana up to Acorn. But my photo is at US 67/US 82 where 59
used to be before TxDOT built the 59 Freeway. I suppose if it was posted as 71, TO 59 it would still be valid.
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2014, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: AHTD on January 28, 2014, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: US71 on January 22, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
I'll be down there this weekend, so I'll try to get a few photos
UPDATE
I found an overlap for 71/59 in Texarkana on NB Stateline Rd at 8th St
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3014%2F3057815706_8b4c3a8c68_z_d.jpg&hash=05b071d39ccfcace3d17429da4beb428d93b4554)
59 hasn't been through here since at least 1980.
U.S. Highway 59 does run concurrently with U.S. Highway 71 from Texarkana to Acorn and then with U.S. Highway 270 into Oklahoma.
59 runs with 71 from I-30 at Texarkana up to Acorn. But my photo is at US 67/US 82 where 59 used to be before TxDOT built the 59 Freeway. I suppose if it was posted as 71, TO 59 it would still be valid.
Dear AHTD:
Please don't fix this. Roadgeeks love errors, and this isn't a bad one because it DOES lead to US 59 North straight ahead.
Dear AHTD:
If you do fix this, please send me the shield. I'll pay more than you can get for scrap, and I'll cover shipping.
Dear AHTD:
Fix it by moving the US 59 down and adding a TO plate.
Quote from: Alps on January 28, 2014, 11:35:02 PM
Dear AHTD:
Please don't fix this. Roadgeeks love errors, and this isn't a bad one because it DOES lead to US 59 North straight ahead.
Dear AHTD:
If you do fix this, please send me the shield. I'll pay more than you can get for scrap, and I'll cover shipping.
If memory serves correct, the sign would likely be "recycled": the old decal (is that what you call them? I know they are basically heat treated stick-ons) is stripped off and a new one put in its place.
Quote from: Alps on January 28, 2014, 11:35:02 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2014, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: AHTD on January 28, 2014, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: US71 on January 22, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
I'll be down there this weekend, so I'll try to get a few photos
UPDATE
I found an overlap for 71/59 in Texarkana on NB Stateline Rd at 8th St
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3014%2F3057815706_8b4c3a8c68_z_d.jpg&hash=05b071d39ccfcace3d17429da4beb428d93b4554)
59 hasn't been through here since at least 1980.
U.S. Highway 59 does run concurrently with U.S. Highway 71 from Texarkana to Acorn and then with U.S. Highway 270 into Oklahoma.
59 runs with 71 from I-30 at Texarkana up to Acorn. But my photo is at US 67/US 82 where 59 used to be before TxDOT built the 59 Freeway. I suppose if it was posted as 71, TO 59 it would still be valid.
Dear AHTD:
Please don't fix this. Roadgeeks love errors, and this isn't a bad one because it DOES lead to US 59 North straight ahead.
Dear AHTD:
If you do fix this, please send me the shield. I'll pay more than you can get for scrap, and I'll cover shipping.
Ha! Ha! We'll see if we can get the purchase of this "error" into our next bid letting,
Quote from: NE2 on January 28, 2014, 11:43:17 PM
Dear AHTD:
Fix it by moving the US 59 down and adding a TO plate.
Seconded.
Quote from: yakra on January 31, 2014, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 28, 2014, 11:43:17 PM
Dear AHTD:
Fix it by moving the US 59 down and adding a TO plate.
Seconded.
At least you're not Texas: they posted
SOUTH 59 with
NORTH 71
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I hate to break it to you, but if you look closely. The signage is Texas, but it's standing IN Arkansas.
Quote from: Greybear on January 31, 2014, 02:40:06 PM
I hate to break it to you, but if you look closely. The signage is Texas, but it's standing IN Arkansas.
Yes, I said Texas posted the signs ;)
I've never seen AHTD mis-post a direction. Post the wrong shield (like AR 59 for US 59), sure, but never mis-posting a direction (to my knowledge). ;)
Those also appear to be the larger shields that the TxDOT Atlanta District likes to use.
Okay, have to ask....
How can you tell these are Texas route markers?
Quote from: AHTD on February 01, 2014, 09:33:16 PM
Okay, have to ask....
How can you tell these are Texas route markers?
Based on my examination:
(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored
square posts a lot).
Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.
Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology
Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7377%2F12276877674_f56ce052f6.jpg&hash=642d35a96fbfa77061cf9b6feb83b4f2acea0756)
Quote from: bjrush on February 02, 2014, 12:06:02 PM
Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology
Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?
MoDOT also does their expressways with them
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8158%2F7417263322_b3467e986d_z_d.jpg&hash=88f9e68b913a8242b9a2c20b04b7ef02ec095045)
Quote from: US71 on February 02, 2014, 12:55:43 AM
Quote from: AHTD on February 01, 2014, 09:33:16 PM
Okay, have to ask....
How can you tell these are Texas route markers?
Based on my examination:
(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger the numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).
Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.
IMPRESSIVE!
Quote from: AHTD on February 02, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 02, 2014, 12:55:43 AM
Quote from: AHTD on February 01, 2014, 09:33:16 PM
Okay, have to ask....
How can you tell these are Texas route markers?
Based on my examination:
(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger the numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).
Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.
IMPRESSIVE!
Thank you.
Quote from: AHTD on February 02, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 02, 2014, 12:55:43 AM
Quote from: AHTD on February 01, 2014, 09:33:16 PM
Okay, have to ask....
How can you tell these are Texas route markers?
Based on my examination:
(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger the numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).
Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.
IMPRESSIVE!
Not really. It's actually quite simple.
Quote from: US71 on February 02, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
Quote from: bjrush on February 02, 2014, 12:06:02 PM
Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology
Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?
MoDOT also does their expressways with them
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8158%2F7417263322_b3467e986d_z_d.jpg&hash=88f9e68b913a8242b9a2c20b04b7ef02ec095045)
MoDOT has a lot of little things that really aid motorists, both local and non-local.
It's often those little things that really improve a transportation system.
Quote from: M86 on February 03, 2014, 04:08:52 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 02, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
Quote from: bjrush on February 02, 2014, 12:06:02 PM
Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology
Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?
MoDOT also does their expressways with them
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8158%2F7417263322_b3467e986d_z_d.jpg&hash=88f9e68b913a8242b9a2c20b04b7ef02ec095045)
MoDOT has a lot of little things that really aid motorists, both local and non-local.
It's often those little things that really improve a transportation system.
When did MO start using mileposts on non-interstates? It's been almost 15 years since I drove up there regularly, and I don't remember seeing those.
Quote from: cjk374 on February 03, 2014, 06:41:41 AM
Quote from: M86 on February 03, 2014, 04:08:52 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 02, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
Quote from: bjrush on February 02, 2014, 12:06:02 PM
Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology
Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?
MoDOT also does their expressways with them
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8158%2F7417263322_b3467e986d_z_d.jpg&hash=88f9e68b913a8242b9a2c20b04b7ef02ec095045)
MoDOT has a lot of little things that really aid motorists, both local and non-local.
It's often those little things that really improve a transportation system.
When did MO start using mileposts on non-interstates? It's been almost 15 years since I drove up there regularly, and I don't remember seeing those.
71 In Kansas City has had them for years (ususlly blue). I'm guessing maybe within the last 5 years for everything else..
Quote from: US71 on February 03, 2014, 09:49:38 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on February 03, 2014, 06:41:41 AM
Quote from: M86 on February 03, 2014, 04:08:52 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 02, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
Quote from: bjrush on February 02, 2014, 12:06:02 PM
Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology
Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?
MoDOT also does their expressways with them
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8158%2F7417263322_b3467e986d_z_d.jpg&hash=88f9e68b913a8242b9a2c20b04b7ef02ec095045)
MoDOT has a lot of little things that really aid motorists, both local and non-local.
It's often those little things that really improve a transportation system.
When did MO start using mileposts on non-interstates? It's been almost 15 years since I drove up there regularly, and I don't remember seeing those.
71 In Kansas City has had them for years (ususlly blue). I'm guessing maybe within the last 5 years for everything else..
The U.S. 169 Broadway Expressway north of downtown Kansas City had them prior to 2008 (the last year I visited KC on business). Its miles did not correspond to a route that had just entered Missouri; they were in the 100s.
NJDOT has just added them, with shields, to I-80 between MP 43-46 (I-287 to I-280), on the outsides of the frontage roads. New MUTCD-compliant markers without shields have been added to the western few miles of I-280. If NJDOT can do it, anyone can!
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on February 03, 2014, 10:56:53 AM
The U.S. 169 Broadway Expressway north of downtown Kansas City had them prior to 2008 (the last year I visited KC on business). Its miles did not correspond to a route that had just entered Missouri; they were in the 100s.
Yeah, what's up with those mile numbers?
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on February 03, 2014, 10:56:53 AM
The U.S. 169 Broadway Expressway north of downtown Kansas City had them prior to 2008 (the last year I visited KC on business). Its miles did not correspond to a route that had just entered Missouri; they were in the 100s.
Which way did the numbers increase? Could it have been measuring from the north? AR 59 north of Van Buren measures "backwards"
Northward I think.
They may have just started mileage at 100 to avoid it having mile 2 in downtown Kansas City like everything else under the sun.
Quote from: AHTD on February 02, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 02, 2014, 12:55:43 AM
Quote from: AHTD on February 01, 2014, 09:33:16 PM
Okay, have to ask....
How can you tell these are Texas route markers?
Based on my examination:
(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger the numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).
Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.
IMPRESSIVE!
You are missing one more detail: Arkansas uses '58 spec interstate shields still with small modifications (36" X 36" route markers and using the more royal blue color for the blue field rather than the original more navy matching the US flag) rather than the '70 spec seen in the picture. You can tell by the narrower lines outlining the shield and separating the red and blue fields.
On another note AHTD: I was recently in Little Rock and noticed the I-30 shields on just the south side of Little Rock were '70 spec shields with no state name. I was under the impression that the state standard was the 58' spec. Do you know the answer to this?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on March 24, 2014, 11:57:19 PM
You are missing one more detail: Arkansas uses '58 spec interstate shields still with small modifications (36" X 36" route markers and using the more royal blue color for the blue field rather than the original more navy matching the US flag) rather than the '70 spec seen in the picture. You can tell by the narrower lines outlining the shield and separating the red and blue fields.
On another note AHTD: I was recently in Little Rock and noticed the I-30 shields on just the south side of Little Rock were '70 spec shields with no state name. I was under the impression that the state standard was the 58' spec. Do you know the answer to this?
I don't think AHTD has a set standard.
http://goo.gl/maps/caCBH
And I think that white directional banner has been changed out. I was half-asleep when I drove by it the other day.
Then you have this monstrosity: http://goo.gl/maps/CtVU9
AHTD needs to work on signing standards... and fixing some of the policies regarding cosigning.
Quote from: M86 on March 25, 2014, 12:35:08 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on March 24, 2014, 11:57:19 PM
You are missing one more detail: Arkansas uses '58 spec interstate shields still with small modifications (36" X 36" route markers and using the more royal blue color for the blue field rather than the original more navy matching the US flag) rather than the '70 spec seen in the picture. You can tell by the narrower lines outlining the shield and separating the red and blue fields.
On another note AHTD: I was recently in Little Rock and noticed the I-30 shields on just the south side of Little Rock were '70 spec shields with no state name. I was under the impression that the state standard was the 58' spec. Do you know the answer to this?
I don't think AHTD has a set standard.
http://goo.gl/maps/caCBH
And I think that white directional banner has been changed out. I was half-asleep when I drove by it the other day.
Then you have this monstrosity: http://goo.gl/maps/CtVU9
AHTD needs to work on signing standards... and fixing some of the policies regarding cosigning.
I think the "monstrosity" is a smaller version of this:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3789%2F12468916493_0b5ff2bcf1_d.jpg&hash=27a64bdc95550e3caaa56223084ab2649ed4c335)
Quote from: bugo on January 20, 2014, 03:47:34 AM
Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.
Just a small side note: when US59 joins US71 in Acorn 59 is actually signed with a state shield.
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Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on May 22, 2014, 03:36:14 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 20, 2014, 03:47:34 AM
Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.
Just a small side note: when US59 joins US71 in Acorn 59 is actually signed with a state shield.
That's only been there a year or so. Don't tell AHTD (shhhhhhhh).
Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on May 22, 2014, 03:36:14 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 20, 2014, 03:47:34 AM
Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.
Just a small side note: when US59 joins US71 in Acorn 59 is actually signed with a state shield.
I've documented two on my Flickr page.
A few years ago, there AR 59 was posted as US 59 in Van Buren, but it disappeared within six months.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2542/4099367459_3eb6aa3e74_d.jpg)
When I was a kid, perhaps 30 years ago, there was an AR 59 sign on SB 59-71 between Hatfield and Cove.
Here are a couple from southern Arkansas:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu126%2Fbugo348%2Far270.jpg&hash=270f87eaa01631397a6c613a8e83800922a44284)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3267/2874002577_5992e4c74a_o.jpg)
I keep wondering if the Dothan, AL guy that I talked with at AHTD is still there. I really hope not.
AHTD should seriously look at this site to get quality caring (and roadgeek OCD) employees
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Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on May 23, 2014, 02:30:06 AM
AHTD should seriously look at this site to get quality caring (and roadgeek OCD) employees
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That probably applies to some of the other state DOTs also ;-)
Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on May 23, 2014, 02:30:06 AM
AHTD should seriously look at this site to get quality caring (and roadgeek OCD) employees
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http://www.arkansashighways.com/Employment/joblisting.aspx
AHTD should seriously add about 10K to those starting salaries to even begin attracting quality employees who might care.
Their top end is pretty high, though
If you become a district engineer, you got it made
Quote from: US71 on May 22, 2014, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on May 22, 2014, 03:36:14 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 20, 2014, 03:47:34 AM
Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.
Just a small side note: when US59 joins US71 in Acorn 59 is actually signed with a state shield.
I've documented two on my Flickr page.
A few years ago, there AR 59 was posted as US 59 in Van Buren, but it disappeared within six months.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2542/4099367459_3eb6aa3e74_d.jpg)
Around the same time Ar 162 junction with US 64 in Alma was signed as US 162
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Quote from: robbones on June 05, 2014, 09:04:16 AM
Around the same time Ar 162 junction with US 64 in Alma was signed as US 162
They finally fixed that earlier this year. I'm still waiting for AR 71 or US 7 ;)