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Started by US71, October 11, 2017, 09:09:35 PM

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abqtraveler

Quote from: I-55 on November 15, 2024, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 15, 2024, 02:49:15 PMAlthough Google Maps is notorious, and jumps the gun on new roadway designations, it remains my favorite online maps service (due to its Street View mode). I don't think they screwed up too badly in this case; the Interstate 57 designation on US 67, and AR 440 becoming Interstate 440 will soon become reality.

Ironic since I-169 was displayed in Kentucky for something like 5 years, then they finally took it down, and now I-169 is posted but Google Maps doesn't show it.
I haven't seen any recent news articles stating that the remainder of the Pennyrile has been officially signposted as I-169. Here is a GSV from August 2024 of the Pennyrile just north of its southern end at I-24 that still shows a Future I-169 Corridor sign.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7558533,-87.5066151,3a,75y,38.58h,82.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slCV0rcoiEaRct0K45zhZ5A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.325697909275675%26panoid%3DlCV0rcoiEaRct0K45zhZ5A%26yaw%3D38.57927444141181!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTExMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
2-d Interstates traveled:  4, 5, 8, 10, 15, 20, 24, 25, 27, 29, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45, 49, 55, 57, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76(E), 77, 78, 81, 83, 84(W), 85, 87(N), 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95

2-d Interstates Clinched:  12, 22, 30, 37, 44, 59, 80, 84(E), 86(E), 238, H1, H2, H3, H201


I-55

Quote from: abqtraveler on November 18, 2024, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: I-55 on November 15, 2024, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 15, 2024, 02:49:15 PMAlthough Google Maps is notorious, and jumps the gun on new roadway designations, it remains my favorite online maps service (due to its Street View mode). I don't think they screwed up too badly in this case; the Interstate 57 designation on US 67, and AR 440 becoming Interstate 440 will soon become reality.

Ironic since I-169 was displayed in Kentucky for something like 5 years, then they finally took it down, and now I-169 is posted but Google Maps doesn't show it.
I haven't seen any recent news articles stating that the remainder of the Pennyrile has been officially signposted as I-169. Here is a GSV from August 2024 of the Pennyrile just north of its southern end at I-24 that still shows a Future I-169 Corridor sign.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7558533,-87.5066151,3a,75y,38.58h,82.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slCV0rcoiEaRct0K45zhZ5A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.325697909275675%26panoid%3DlCV0rcoiEaRct0K45zhZ5A%26yaw%3D38.57927444141181!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTExMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34908.0

seicer has verified the route is signed I-169 now. Google will live in the past and the future but never the present
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MikieTimT

Timelapse trip through Cabot/Jacksonville (currently unsigned) I-57 southbound on 11/14.  Best viewed at 1/2 speed.  I attempted time lapses on recently signed US-78 from Jonesboro to (currently unsigned, but signed on Google Maps) I-57, but 60x speed resulted in too few frames to get good signage, so left it off.  My (also currently unsigned, but signed on Google Maps) I-440 timelapse had some freezing as my phone was overheating there towards the end facing into the sun with jumping straight from the I-57 to I-440 video, so not bothering with that one either.



MikieTimT

Corning to Missouri State Line Future Interstate 57 Clay County  Job 101173 Public Involvement Meeting

Public Involvement Meeting 12/5 in Corning for the 4.9 mile I-57 connection to the Missouri state line, tentatively to start late 2026 with a completion of late 2029.


Great Lakes Roads

Quote from: MikieTimT on November 25, 2024, 09:42:40 PMCorning to Missouri State Line Future Interstate 57 Clay County  Job 101173 Public Involvement Meeting

Public Involvement Meeting 12/5 in Corning for the 4.9 mile I-57 connection to the Missouri state line, tentatively to start late 2026 with a completion of late 2029.



Nice for ARDOT to implement an 80-foot grassy median on the new segments of I-57.
-Jay Seaburg

I-39

Quote from: MikieTimT on November 25, 2024, 09:42:40 PMCorning to Missouri State Line Future Interstate 57 Clay County  Job 101173 Public Involvement Meeting

Public Involvement Meeting 12/5 in Corning for the 4.9 mile I-57 connection to the Missouri state line, tentatively to start late 2026 with a completion of late 2029.



Does Missouri expect to have funding for the remaining section of Phase 3 and 4 soon?

Right now, they only have funding to build it to Neelyville. I would hope they can get the remaining funding to get it down to the state line to connect with this.

edwaleni

Quote from: I-39 on November 27, 2024, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: MikieTimT on November 25, 2024, 09:42:40 PMCorning to Missouri State Line Future Interstate 57 Clay County  Job 101173 Public Involvement Meeting

Public Involvement Meeting 12/5 in Corning for the 4.9 mile I-57 connection to the Missouri state line, tentatively to start late 2026 with a completion of late 2029.



Does Missouri expect to have funding for the remaining section of Phase 3 and 4 soon?

Right now, they only have funding to build it to Neelyville. I would hope they can get the remaining funding to get it down to the state line to connect with this.

Per the City of Poplar Bluff, they have a grant request in with the Feds for the final work (Phase 4) to the state line. They submitted the grant request about an hour prior to the deadline.

TBKS1

Quote from: MikieTimT on November 25, 2024, 09:42:40 PMCorning to Missouri State Line Future Interstate 57 Clay County  Job 101173 Public Involvement Meeting

Public Involvement Meeting 12/5 in Corning for the 4.9 mile I-57 connection to the Missouri state line, tentatively to start late 2026 with a completion of late 2029.



I saw this, thought about attending that meeting but that's like a three hour drive from here during finals week lol
I take pictures of road signs, that's about it.

General rule of thumb: Just stay in the "Traffic Control" section of the forum and you'll be fine.

Road Hog

Jacksonville is a mess right now. At James Street they have northbound traffic down to one lane and taking the frontage road with the intersection there (fortunately no stop sign on the frontage road).

MikieTimT

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 15, 2024, 02:49:15 PMAlthough Google Maps is notorious, and jumps the gun on new roadway designations, it remains my favorite online maps service (due to its Street View mode). I don't think they screwed up too badly in this case; the Interstate 57 designation on US 67, and AR 440 becoming Interstate 440 will soon become reality.

They'll probably have to let a signing project before the shields get swapped out physically instead of just virtually.  You can actually see the current status of signage in the Jacksonville area by using idrivearkansas.com and just use the traffic cameras checkbox to turn on the Traffic Cameras layer.  The camera that I use is the Kiehl Ave. (Exit 5) northbound camera, which shows the AR-440 (Future I-440) BGS in addition to the US-67/US-167(Future I-57) confirmation shields in one view.  The traffic cameras are a good way to see how hectic I-40 is between Little Rock and Memphis and choked with trucks for the non-believers of the forum.

bwana39

It is kind of funny. The I-57 thread is the busiest on the mid-south thread.

The irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant. The distance from Little Rock to Sikeston Mo will be virtually the same on I-57 versus I-40/I-55.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

english si

Quote from: bwana39 on January 24, 2025, 11:00:31 AMThe irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant.
I'm pretty sure the cities en route wouldn't think that their interstate connection to the outside world is 'redundant'.

Nor would people who have to deal with the traffic on I-40 view an alternative, emptier, route for N-S traffic to reach Little Rock as 'redundant' - it's a needed relief!

webny99

Quote from: bwana39 on January 24, 2025, 11:00:31 AMThe irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant. The distance from Little Rock to Sikeston Mo will be virtually the same on I-57 versus I-40/I-55.

Even if the distance ends up about the same, I-57 will provide more opportunities to save time because it will be less busy and have a lot less truck traffic. Very few people are going to choose the much busier I-40/I-55... especially those who are connecting to I-57 already. And, the side benefit of that is it will reduce traffic on the stretch of I-40 that is overburdened with trucks.

sprjus4

Quote from: bwana39 on January 24, 2025, 11:00:31 AMIt is kind of funny. The I-57 thread is the busiest on the mid-south thread.

The irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant. The distance from Little Rock to Sikeston Mo will be virtually the same on I-57 versus I-40/I-55.

About 15 miles shorter, and also avoids the highway that features about 10 trucks to every 1 car, and is often limited to 60-65 mph due to miles of micropassing trucks.

Hardly "redundant".

Bobby5280

The situation on I-40 between Little Rock and Memphis is compounded due to the 2x2 lanes design and outdated features on bridges and other parts of the roadway. It's stupid that segment of I-40 wasn't already 3x3 or wider.

Road Hog

The aim of I-57 is a lot broader than Little Rock to Sikeston. It's more like Chicago to Dallas and points south.

Road Hog

I'm surprised with the extension of US 78 that Jonesboro hasn't become a control city out of Central Arkansas yet. Probably just a matter of time. I think St. Louis will disappear once the shield goes up.

Henry

Quote from: sprjus4 on January 24, 2025, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: bwana39 on January 24, 2025, 11:00:31 AMIt is kind of funny. The I-57 thread is the busiest on the mid-south thread.

The irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant. The distance from Little Rock to Sikeston Mo will be virtually the same on I-57 versus I-40/I-55.

About 15 miles shorter, and also avoids the highway that features about 10 trucks to every 1 car, and is often limited to 60-65 mph due to miles of micropassing trucks.

Hardly "redundant".
Hell, the current routing of I-57 is redundant to I-55 from Sikeston to Chicago; while it may be some 60 miles longer than I-55, at least it'll allow you to bypass St. Louis entirely, as well as Springfield and Bloomington. And bonus points goes to I-57 for having an exit that leads to the only Burger King that's not part of the chain we all know.
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sprjus4

Quote from: Henry on January 24, 2025, 10:28:50 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 24, 2025, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: bwana39 on January 24, 2025, 11:00:31 AMIt is kind of funny. The I-57 thread is the busiest on the mid-south thread.

The irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant. The distance from Little Rock to Sikeston Mo will be virtually the same on I-57 versus I-40/I-55.

About 15 miles shorter, and also avoids the highway that features about 10 trucks to every 1 car, and is often limited to 60-65 mph due to miles of micropassing trucks.

Hardly "redundant".
Hell, the current routing of I-57 is redundant to I-55 from Sikeston to Chicago; while it may be some 60 miles longer than I-55, at least it'll allow you to bypass St. Louis entirely, as well as Springfield and Bloomington. And bonus points goes to I-57 for having an exit that leads to the only Burger King that's not part of the chain we all know.
I agree completely, but I-57 shaves off about 46 miles from I-55's routing between its southern terminus and Chicago. Unless you're heading to a specific destination say on the west side of the metro.

bwana39

Quote from: webny99 on January 24, 2025, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: bwana39 on January 24, 2025, 11:00:31 AMThe irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant. The distance from Little Rock to Sikeston Mo will be virtually the same on I-57 versus I-40/I-55.

Even if the distance ends up about the same, I-57 will provide more opportunities to save time because it will be less busy and have a lot less truck traffic. Very few people are going to choose the much busier I-40/I-55... especially those who are connecting to I-57 already. And, the side benefit of that is it will reduce traffic on the stretch of I-40 that is overburdened with trucks.

I knew this. It actually is the same argument I use for why I-69 through Arkansas is needed. I may hate the "Proposed Route" and the proposed river crossing, but overall it would be a good relief route.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

edwaleni

Quote from: bwana39 on January 25, 2025, 04:28:31 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 24, 2025, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: bwana39 on January 24, 2025, 11:00:31 AMThe irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant. The distance from Little Rock to Sikeston Mo will be virtually the same on I-57 versus I-40/I-55.

Even if the distance ends up about the same, I-57 will provide more opportunities to save time because it will be less busy and have a lot less truck traffic. Very few people are going to choose the much busier I-40/I-55... especially those who are connecting to I-57 already. And, the side benefit of that is it will reduce traffic on the stretch of I-40 that is overburdened with trucks.

I knew this. It actually is the same argument I use for why I-69 through Arkansas is needed. I may hate the "Proposed Route" and the proposed river crossing, but overall it would be a good relief route.

I agree. Point to point distances are one thing, but relief and capacity routes are another.

Hurricane Helene and now the freak southern snow didn't stop commerce completely because there were other more safe routes to take during the obstructions.


armadillo speedbump

So a summary for those who don't want to search a dozen pages:

In Arkansas, IIRC all are being built to freeway standard:

1. A 4-mile bypass northwest of Corning is funded, completion of 2027

2. From there to the MO border is funded, completion late 2029

3. Large final gap from Corning to Walnut Ridge is not funded nor scheduled, but some state bigwig is from there so the project probably will move ahead sooner than later

Here's a map kindly provided on page 51:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21289.msg2950425#msg2950425


In Missouri:

1. US 160 to Neelyville has been funded, completion date ?, I think to freeway standard

2. Neelyville to the AR border funding has been applied for, I think to freeway standard

3. US 160 to Sikeston is a ways away, probably many years into the future, because there isn't a strong need and funding is limited.  It is already 4-lane divided with no stoplights or stop signs.

edwaleni

Quote from: armadillo speedbump on January 25, 2025, 06:57:20 PM3. US 160 to Sikeston is a ways away, probably many years into the future, because there isn't a strong need and funding is limited.  It is already 4-lane divided with no stoplights or stop signs.

Several parts between Poplar Bluff and Sikeston are not up to Interstate standard. It will be done in small segments, not unlike how KYDOT updated the Pennyrile to I-69.

MikieTimT

Once the portions south of Poplar Bluff are completed, the facility is functionally done from the perspective of the motoring public, with the remaining work on US-60 to get interstate-grade effectively buying a 5MPH boost in speed limit since Missouri is still only 70MPH on interstates.  Maybe that changes before this project gets completed, though, since Missouri has 4 states bordering on the south and west with 75MPH speed limits on rural limited access 4 lane roads.

MikieTimT

Quote from: bwana39 on January 24, 2025, 11:00:31 AMIt is kind of funny. The I-57 thread is the busiest on the mid-south thread.

The irony is that that I-57 is virtually redundant. The distance from Little Rock to Sikeston Mo will be virtually the same on I-57 versus I-40/I-55.


Now that I-49 is fairly quiet with its Bella Vista Bypass making a logical short term completion down to Alma with a little movement of AR-549 northward during the remainder of the 2020's, I-57 is the next 2DI with a snowball's chance of fairly rapid progress, although Alec Farmer is not only not the Chairman of the Highway Commission anymore, he's not on the Commission at all anymore after 12/30/2024.  Philip Taldo from Tontitown in NWA is now the head, so likely more focus is going to be back on NWA for the foreseeable future, especially with 30 Crossing wrapping up.  I'd expect more traction in the next couple of years on a Siloam Springs Bypass of US-412 that should have happened about 17 years ago.



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