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Re: New York
« Reply #6875 on: March 01, 2024, 10:55:41 PM »

NY-12E Realignment (Fall 2025 Completion):
NY-12E will be relocated from its existing bridge over the Black River in Brownsville to a new bridge approximately 0.5 miles to the west. The existing bridge will be demolished, and the rest of the existing alignment in Brownsville will revert to Jefferson County as an extension of CR-190.
Contract plans are here. Scheduled completion for the new bridge, and thus the reroute, is November 30, 2024 (slide 10). The demolition of the existing bridge and other work will be done after.
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b) This kills the town. You've just moved all the traffic on a state highway from downtown to a bridge that avoids it completely. I'm shocked they're okay with this.

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Re: New York
« Reply #6876 on: March 02, 2024, 03:26:37 PM »

b) This kills the town. You've just moved all the traffic on a state highway from downtown to a bridge that avoids it completely. I'm shocked they're okay with this.

Have you been through the town?  There's extremely little in the way of traffic-dependent businesses along there...basically just a Stewart's and a couple of pizza places that are probably frequented by locals to begin with.  I think you're overreacting.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6877 on: March 02, 2024, 04:37:56 PM »

b) This kills the town. You've just moved all the traffic on a state highway from downtown to a bridge that avoids it completely. I'm shocked they're okay with this.

Have you been through the town?  There's extremely little in the way of traffic-dependent businesses along there...basically just a Stewart's and a couple of pizza places that are probably frequented by locals to begin with.  I think you're overreacting.
Goodbye Stewart's and pizza places...
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Re: New York
« Reply #6878 on: March 02, 2024, 04:56:58 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6879 on: March 02, 2024, 05:35:12 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6880 on: March 02, 2024, 05:35:57 PM »

I hate the lack of Stewart's in central NY.  Stupid Byrne Dairy...doesn't match up.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6881 on: March 02, 2024, 07:16:59 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.

Those "in the know" are hitting either the Sunoco next to Price Chopper at Exit 45 to use their gas points or the Sunoco at the 7-Eleven at Exit 46 that also has a Timmy Ho's...
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Re: New York
« Reply #6882 on: March 02, 2024, 08:19:21 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.

Those "in the know" are hitting either the Sunoco next to Price Chopper at Exit 45 to use their gas points or the Sunoco at the 7-Eleven at Exit 46 that also has a Timmy Ho's...
So...okay...town's gonna die.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6883 on: March 02, 2024, 10:59:09 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.
Does that make a difference?  I'm not really sure why a few have the gas branded Sunoco while most don't.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6884 on: March 02, 2024, 11:00:21 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.

Those "in the know" are hitting either the Sunoco next to Price Chopper at Exit 45 to use their gas points or the Sunoco at the 7-Eleven at Exit 46 that also has a Timmy Ho's...
So...okay...town's gonna die.

If that's the case, the town is already dying and moving the bridge isn't going to change or affect that...
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Re: New York
« Reply #6885 on: March 02, 2024, 11:08:42 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.

Those "in the know" are hitting either the Sunoco next to Price Chopper at Exit 45 to use their gas points or the Sunoco at the 7-Eleven at Exit 46 that also has a Timmy Ho's...
So...okay...town's gonna die.

If that's the case, the town is already dying and moving the bridge isn't going to change or affect that...
We must help the town die.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6886 on: March 02, 2024, 11:09:25 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.
Does that make a difference?  I'm not really sure why a few have the gas branded Sunoco while most don't.
Gas stations tend to be a little more dependent on more than just locals.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6887 on: March 03, 2024, 03:41:21 AM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.

Those "in the know" are hitting either the Sunoco next to Price Chopper at Exit 45 to use their gas points or the Sunoco at the 7-Eleven at Exit 46 that also has a Timmy Ho's...
So...okay...town's gonna die.

If that's the case, the town is already dying and moving the bridge isn't going to change or affect that...
We must help the town die.
If reduced traffic at gas station means the town is dead, I would say that town is already dead.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6888 on: March 03, 2024, 08:33:51 AM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.

Those "in the know" are hitting either the Sunoco next to Price Chopper at Exit 45 to use their gas points or the Sunoco at the 7-Eleven at Exit 46 that also has a Timmy Ho's...
So...okay...town's gonna die.

If that's the case, the town is already dying and moving the bridge isn't going to change or affect that...
We must help the town die.
If reduced traffic at gas station means the town is dead, I would say that town is already dead.
We must beat a dead town.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6889 on: March 03, 2024, 02:59:08 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.
Does that make a difference?  I'm not really sure why a few have the gas branded Sunoco while most don't.
Gas stations tend to be a little more dependent on more than just locals.
I was thinking more along the lines of why the gas being branded Sunoco makes a difference, given that most Stewart's locations with gas do not have the Sunoco branding (or any branding at all, other than Stewart's).  They're even in the process of slowly phasing out the stores that don't sell gas.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6890 on: March 05, 2024, 12:52:20 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.

Those "in the know" are hitting either the Sunoco next to Price Chopper at Exit 45 to use their gas points or the Sunoco at the 7-Eleven at Exit 46 that also has a Timmy Ho's...
So...okay...town's gonna die.

If that's the case, the town is already dying and moving the bridge isn't going to change or affect that...
We must help the town die.
If reduced traffic at gas station means the town is dead, I would say that town is already dead.
We must beat a dead town.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6891 on: March 06, 2024, 02:56:24 PM »

Is it weird that my takeaway is that I-81 needs an exit north of the river at CR 190? Not just for Brownville; Glen Park is just as much or more of a pain to access from I-81.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6892 on: March 06, 2024, 10:46:38 PM »

It would probably be too close to Exit 47 (NY-12), plus there is the Black River on the other side. Also, CR-51 seems to me to be a viable connection.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6893 on: March 07, 2024, 07:04:27 PM »

I'm pretty sure Stewart's makes most of its business off locals, not travelers passing though.  They don't even bother to keep much around in the way of hot food outside the workday lunch rush.
It's a Stewart's with Sunoco gas, though.

The Srewart'ses in Ulster County sell Ethanol-free (E0) premium gasoline.  Is that a Sunoco product?
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Re: New York
« Reply #6894 on: March 13, 2024, 02:09:59 PM »

For generations, I've seen map companies (most notably Hagstrom's) post a non-existent westbound loop on-ramp from Veterans Memorial Highway (before it was designated as NY 454), and the Long Island Expressway (back when it was still NY 495). Yet I've never seen this ramp, so I assumed it was something that existed years ago before the L.I.E. went east of Exit 57, and the map companies still hadn't caught on that it wasn't there anymore.

So within the hour, I was looking through some papers, which include hand-written notes regarding source material for the previous ramp and service road configurations for Wikipedia articles on the Long Island Expressway. Then I looked up Historic Aerials of the vicinity, and what I found was something I wish I could say was completely bonkers, but instead the most I can say is that those who set it up may have had a few screws loose.

Instead of a fairly reasonable temporary on-ramp, I saw westbound only turning ramps onto the eastbound service road, and northbound Blydenburgh Road, both of which lead to the eastbound on-ramp, which itself ended at a temporary U-turn to the westbound lanes of the expressway.

This has to be seen to be believed.
https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=11&lat=40.8047&lon=-73.1728

And I still want to know about the loop ramp between the Vets Highway and Long Island Expressway.

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Re: New York
« Reply #6895 on: March 13, 2024, 06:24:44 PM »

For generations, I've seen map companies (most notably Hagstrom's) post a non-existent westbound loop on-ramp from Veterans Memorial Highway (before it was designated as NY 454), and the Long Island Expressway (back when it was still NY 495). Yet I've never seen this ramp, so I assumed it was something that existed years ago before the L.I.E. went east of Exit 57, and the map companies still hadn't caught on that it wasn't there anymore.

So within the hour, I was looking through some papers, which include hand-written notes regarding source material for the previous ramp and service road configurations for Wikipedia articles on the Long Island Expressway. Then I looked up Historic Aerials of the vicinity, and what I found was something I wish I could say was completely bonkers, but instead the most I can say is that those who set it up may have had a few screws loose.

Instead of a fairly reasonable temporary on-ramp, I saw westbound only turning ramps onto the eastbound service road, and northbound Blydenburgh Road, both of which lead to the eastbound on-ramp, which itself ended at a temporary U-turn to the westbound lanes of the expressway.

This has to be seen to be believed.
https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=11&lat=40.8047&lon=-73.1728

And I still want to know about the loop ramp between the Vets Highway and Long Island Expressway.


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Re: New York
« Reply #6896 on: March 13, 2024, 08:45:09 PM »

For generations, I've seen map companies (most notably Hagstrom's) post a non-existent westbound loop on-ramp from Veterans Memorial Highway (before it was designated as NY 454), and the Long Island Expressway (back when it was still NY 495). Yet I've never seen this ramp, so I assumed it was something that existed years ago before the L.I.E. went east of Exit 57, and the map companies still hadn't caught on that it wasn't there anymore.

So within the hour, I was looking through some papers, which include hand-written notes regarding source material for the previous ramp and service road configurations for Wikipedia articles on the Long Island Expressway. Then I looked up Historic Aerials of the vicinity, and what I found was something I wish I could say was completely bonkers, but instead the most I can say is that those who set it up may have had a few screws loose.

Instead of a fairly reasonable temporary on-ramp, I saw westbound only turning ramps onto the eastbound service road, and northbound Blydenburgh Road, both of which lead to the eastbound on-ramp, which itself ended at a temporary U-turn to the westbound lanes of the expressway.

This has to be seen to be believed.
https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=11&lat=40.8047&lon=-73.1728

And I still want to know about the loop ramp between the Vets Highway and Long Island Expressway.


The road east of there is clearly not open yet.  I imagine they figured it would be easier to provide a ramp on the right than to build a left turn for all the traffic, which they may have anticipated being lower after the road opened.
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