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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2300 on: April 25, 2019, 01:04:39 AM »

How are highways with concurrent routes, such as US 1/9 being signed with new mileposts? I've noticed on Google Maps only US 1 mileage. Same deal with US 130/NJ 33, US 322/40, etc.

NJ has always traditionally gone with whatever the "primary route" is for its mileposting. So, for example, 1-9 uses 1's mileage after they merge in Woodbridge and the mileposts just show a 1 shield. However, I came home from the City on the Skyway tonight for the first time in a while, and noticed that on the section in Newark between 78 and the Skyway, the mileposts are actually signed with the same 1-9 shields that are used on signs from Linden northward (for whatever reason, in Middlesex County, they sign 1-9 with two separate shields, but it changes once you get into Union County).

202-206 in Bridgewater and Bedminster still only shows 202's shield on the mileposts. Same for 202-31 south of the Flemington Circle.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2301 on: April 26, 2019, 12:26:59 AM »

How are highways with concurrent routes, such as US 1/9 being signed with new mileposts? I've noticed on Google Maps only US 1 mileage. Same deal with US 130/NJ 33, US 322/40, etc.

NJ has always traditionally gone with whatever the "primary route" is for its mileposting. So, for example, 1-9 uses 1's mileage after they merge in Woodbridge and the mileposts just show a 1 shield. However, I came home from the City on the Skyway tonight for the first time in a while, and noticed that on the section in Newark between 78 and the Skyway, the mileposts are actually signed with the same 1-9 shields that are used on signs from Linden northward (for whatever reason, in Middlesex County, they sign 1-9 with two separate shields, but it changes once you get into Union County).

202-206 in Bridgewater and Bedminster still only shows 202's shield on the mileposts. Same for 202-31 south of the Flemington Circle.
Not always. NJ 23 and US 202 shared mileposts back in the day, if not now. There was a little shield to tell you which route's milepost it was.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2302 on: April 30, 2019, 09:59:30 AM »

The ACX welcome center is departing for the boards.

https://kywnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/atlantic-city-expressway-visitor-welcome-center-closing

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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (KYW Newsradio) – There is a sudden change of venue for an information hub housed inside a visual staple on the Atlantic City Expressway.

For years, Joseph Polillo says he ran a postcard stand at the Atlantic City Visitor Welcome Center.

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Polillo says he was pretty surprised when he heard just a few days ago the visitor's center, right on the expressway, was closing down.

"I just happened to come across it on a Facebook page. They didn't even call me or tell me or anything or ask me to come and get my stuff out there, we're closing. Nah," he said.

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He says the center's location could have been a lot better than the expressway.

"Drivers going 70 miles an hour are not going to stop for something they're going to go see anyway," he said.

The closure of the rest stop even came as a surprise to New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy, who stopped by center Monday morning.

A sign on the door of the center says it's been relocated to Boardwalk Hall.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2303 on: April 30, 2019, 10:20:15 AM »

The ACX welcome center is departing for the boards.

https://kywnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/atlantic-city-expressway-visitor-welcome-center-closing

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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (KYW Newsradio) — There is a sudden change of venue for an information hub housed inside a visual staple on the Atlantic City Expressway.

For years, Joseph Polillo says he ran a postcard stand at the Atlantic City Visitor Welcome Center.

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Polillo says he was pretty surprised when he heard just a few days ago the visitor's center, right on the expressway, was closing down.

"I just happened to come across it on a Facebook page. They didn't even call me or tell me or anything or ask me to come and get my stuff out there, we're closing. Nah," he said.

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He says the center's location could have been a lot better than the expressway.

"Drivers going 70 miles an hour are not going to stop for something they're going to go see anyway," he said.

The closure of the rest stop even came as a surprise to New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy, who stopped by center Monday morning.

A sign on the door of the center says it's been relocated to Boardwalk Hall.

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Many did stop there...back before the internet was a thing.  Today, most people going have already done their research. 
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2304 on: May 11, 2019, 04:11:35 PM »

I think this is a complete list of 3+ level crossings in NJ. Did I miss any?

    PIP/9W/67
    PIP/95U/505/95L
    46E/95/exit 72
    exit 69/95S/80E
    flyovers/17/4
    46E ramp/46/GSP
    exit 17/95/Paterson Plank Rd
    501/ramps/495
    495/Blvd East/495
    95W/1&9/1&9T
    Raymond Blvd ramp/1&9T/Raymond Blvd
    Port St ramp/exit 58A/78
    81N ramp/81S/1&9
    78 Express/EB entrance/EB exit
    WB entrance/78W/EB entrance
    78W/WB exit/EB exit
    GSP ramp/280/exit 12A
    exit 145/GSP/280 ramp
    MLK Blvd/GSP+Oraton/280
    exit 142B/78 ramp/GSP
    GSP ramp/exit 52/78
    78/exit 48/24E
    287S/80/287N
    514/GSP/95
    440/exit 127/9S
    GSP/9S/440 ramp
    exit 13B/18N/Hope Rd

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2305 on: May 11, 2019, 10:40:52 PM »

I think there's a three-level stack somewhat near NJ Turnpike Exit 11 and MM 90?
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2306 on: May 12, 2019, 01:05:49 AM »

I think there's a three-level stack somewhat near NJ Turnpike Exit 11 and MM 90?
    514/GSP/95

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2307 on: May 12, 2019, 07:14:57 AM »

Thank you! I forget about NJ's county routes sometimes!
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2308 on: May 13, 2019, 05:02:16 PM »

You might as well add the coming attraction:  I-76/CR 659 Browning Road/I-295.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2309 on: May 14, 2019, 06:17:08 AM »

You might as well add the coming attraction:  I-76/CR 659 Browning Road/I-295.

That's gonna be a 4 stack, or very close to it.  The ramp from 295 South to 42 South will be under Rt. 42 very close to the vicinity of the Browning Road overpass.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2310 on: May 14, 2019, 04:29:25 PM »

Does anyone know what NJ regulations are on a municipality setting local speed limits at 15mph or 20mph?
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2311 on: May 14, 2019, 05:00:51 PM »

Does anyone know what NJ regulations are on a municipality setting local speed limits at 15mph or 20mph?

Specifics?
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2312 on: May 14, 2019, 05:04:52 PM »

Does anyone know what NJ regulations are on a municipality setting local speed limits at 15mph or 20mph?

Specifics?

Can a municipality pass an ordinance setting a speed limit along a road they maintain to 15mph or 20mph? is there any state level prohibition from doing so?

I cant find anything explicitly allowing it or explicitly barring it in Title 39.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2313 on: May 14, 2019, 05:37:23 PM »

4-98 specifically allows it. Without a signed limit, the speed limit can be 25, 35, 50 or 65.

I think the state has a policy of no limits under 25 mph on regular roadways. I think I've seen lower in some developments with a lot of parking and shopping centers though
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2314 on: May 14, 2019, 09:18:58 PM »

4-98 specifically allows it. Without a signed limit, the speed limit can be 25, 35, 50 or 65.

I think the state has a policy of no limits under 25 mph on regular roadways. I think I've seen lower in some developments with a lot of parking and shopping centers though
I'm not sure if I've seen under 25 on a publicly maintained road, though.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2315 on: May 16, 2019, 08:29:07 AM »

Is this sign blade new?  I'd swear it wasn't there in 2017.  NJ 64 remains un-mileposted (at least, not in the new style).
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2316 on: May 16, 2019, 12:12:57 PM »

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2317 on: May 18, 2019, 11:21:30 AM »

Yes NJDOT loves to sign blades with directions even if a turn prohibition is in place like in Union where from Stuyvesant Avenue NB has a no left turn sign right next to a NJ 82 W Blade sign telling you to turn left.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2318 on: May 20, 2019, 10:41:21 PM »

https://www.nj.com/traffic/2019/05/lane-pain-starts-monday-a-fond-farewell-to-an-extra-turnpike-lane-thats-shutting-down.html

This involves the Newark Bay Extension (I-78) from the New Jersey Turnpike. A shoulder used as a travel lane is no more.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2319 on: May 24, 2019, 11:59:50 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/vMJXtSM1zq7YKi4NA
What was greened out on this Exit 11 supplemental sign beneath the Shore Points header?
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2320 on: May 25, 2019, 12:01:45 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/vMJXtSM1zq7YKi4NA
What was greened out on this Exit 11 supplemental sign beneath the Shore Points header?

Zooming in as much as I can, I can't see evidence of any green out.  Maybe they were thinking of adding something and never did. 
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2321 on: May 25, 2019, 12:14:52 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/vMJXtSM1zq7YKi4NA
What was greened out on this Exit 11 supplemental sign beneath the Shore Points header?

Zooming in as much as I can, I can't see evidence of any green out.  Maybe they were thinking of adding something and never did. 
  Well I see on the other guides there is no follow ups to Shore Points.  After the Exit 11 tolls the Parkway South is signed with the text of the Garden State Parkway as control city, and US 9 is just signed with Woodbridge- Perth Amboy.   

In addition exit the GSP service road at New Brunswick Avenue and at the end of the ramp you will also find no follow up signs for Perth Amboy or NJ 440 N Bound either.  When I lived in NJ there never was until in 1987 one of the ramps to New Brunswick Avenue was briefly signed for Fords and Perth Amboy and that was it.

Classic case of carbon copy as NJ 440 does not need to be there being NJ 184 is signed for it.   When they added that current gantry the engineers should have eliminated that, but they just copied it over minus the old EAST direction as they did update it to NB as that was done in the Mid 80's the changeover.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2322 on: June 01, 2019, 06:27:03 PM »

4-98 specifically allows it. Without a signed limit, the speed limit can be 25, 35, 50 or 65.

I think the state has a policy of no limits under 25 mph on regular roadways. I think I've seen lower in some developments with a lot of parking and shopping centers though
I'm not sure if I've seen under 25 on a publicly maintained road, though.

Brigantine has Lincoln Drive, Vardon Road, and alleyways posted at 15 mph. All are maintained by the city as public streets.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2323 on: June 01, 2019, 11:36:40 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/vMJXtSM1zq7YKi4NA
What was greened out on this Exit 11 supplemental sign beneath the Shore Points header?

Zooming in as much as I can, I can't see evidence of any green out.  Maybe they were thinking of adding something and never did. 
  Well I see on the other guides there is no follow ups to Shore Points.  After the Exit 11 tolls the Parkway South is signed with the text of the Garden State Parkway as control city, and US 9 is just signed with Woodbridge- Perth Amboy.   

In addition exit the GSP service road at New Brunswick Avenue and at the end of the ramp you will also find no follow up signs for Perth Amboy or NJ 440 N Bound either.  When I lived in NJ there never was until in 1987 one of the ramps to New Brunswick Avenue was briefly signed for Fords and Perth Amboy and that was it.

Classic case of carbon copy as NJ 440 does not need to be there being NJ 184 is signed for it.   When they added that current gantry the engineers should have eliminated that, but they just copied it over minus the old EAST direction as they did update it to NB as that was done in the Mid 80's the changeover.

Pretty sure that it was supposed to be "The Amboys", to more or less match what was on the sign it replaced. At the very least, they should have included Perth Amboy, since signage post toll plaza refers to it.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #2324 on: June 02, 2019, 12:21:19 AM »

As a curiosity, does the Garden State Parkway have control cities? I know of ones at the Local-Express split, but I'm unsure of any at major interchanges, with the GSP merely signed as "Parkway North" or "Parkway South". I'm not even sure if control cities are used at the entrances. For what it's worth, here's what I think control cities could look like:

South of Exit 38: Atlantic City (NB), Cape May (SB)
38 - 80: Toms River (NB), Atlantic City (SB)
80 - MP 104 (Local - Express split): Wall (maybe Asbury Park?) (NB), Toms River (SB)
Local - Express: New York or NJ Turnpike (NB Express), Middletown (NB Local, 104-114), The Amboys (114-125); Wall (SB Express), Middletown (SB Local, 125-114), Asbury Park (114-105)
125 - 145: Newark or The Oranges (NB), NJ Turnpike or New York (SB)
145 - NY Line (172): Albany or NY Thruway (NB), Newark or The Oranges (SB)

No reason to sign the Thruway for New York, so I chose Albany. I could probably have better choice for Local - Express, as the Parkway doesn't go through some of these cities (namely Asbury Park). Finally, I wasn't sure if I-195 or Wall was more recognizable, but Wall won in the end; it felt more recognizable than just I-195. I'm aware the Turnpike is I-95, but it's recognizable enough that it does make sense as a destination instead of I-195.
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