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Started by Chrysler375Freeway, October 21, 2021, 06:29:21 PM

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Chrysler375Freeway

So from what I saw, a local group wants I-64 removed between the Watterson and 64's junction between 65/71. If it were to be removed, what would happen to the I-64 designation in the Louisville area? And what should be considered other than removal? What would happen to traffic and development if 64's Riverfront section was removed entirely?


silverback1065

This movement was squashed when they went with the Ohio river bridges. 64 isn't going anywhere. But in your alternate history if it did happen I'd say it would replace 265.

SkyPesos

#2
How many new threads do you need to post per day? Lots of these topics have been discussed in plenty of other threads already.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure the group that wants I-64 removed (8664) faded out of prominence years ago. If I-64 were to be removed, it'll most likely get rerouted on I-265 via the Lewis and Clark bridge.

Chrysler375Freeway

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2021, 06:35:09 PM
This movement was squashed when they went with the Ohio river bridges. 64 isn't going anywhere. But in your alternate history if it did happen I'd say it would replace 265.
I was thinking it would replace 264 between exits 0 and 12, then piggyback with 65 between exits 131 and 137, then continue its trek towards Lexington and Ashland via Frankfort and Winchester.

silverback1065

This statement literally applies to you. And it's really not relevant how many times I post in this thread.

Chrysler375Freeway

At least I've not exceeded the 8 in 24 hours yet. Do they really do anything if you post 9 in 24 hours?

silverback1065

Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:40:44 PM
At least I've not exceeded the 8 in 24 hours yet. Do they really do anything if you post 9 in 24 hours?
Are you 12 years old? Resulting in petty insults that have nothing to do with anything? Maybe you should look in the mirror, and spell check too.

Chrysler375Freeway

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2021, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:40:44 PM
At least I've not exceeded the 8 in 24 hours yet. Do they really do anything if you post 9 in 24 hours?
Are you 12 years old? Resulting in petty insults that have nothing to do with anything? Maybe you should look in the mirror, and spell check too.
I'm in the younger generation, but not THAT young.

silverback1065

Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2021, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:40:44 PM
At least I've not exceeded the 8 in 24 hours yet. Do they really do anything if you post 9 in 24 hours?
Are you 12 years old? Resulting in petty insults that have nothing to do with anything? Maybe you should look in the mirror, and spell check too.
I'm in the younger generation, but not THAT young.
This is a thread for posting however many times you want and give your opinion. Stick to that not sophomoric insults.

Chrysler375Freeway

Back to the topic at hand here. I don't think the group succeeded in getting 64 removed. I'm sure it would have not only taken years, but also required federal approval and even the movement's 1999 proponent of the movement called it a paper dream. And I'm not sure that 264, 265, and 65 would be able to suddenly take on that section of 64's traffic. And right now there's no plans on the books for a West End Bridge on 265. I'll ask, is there a thread about a 265 West End Bridge? I'm not planning to make any more threads for the day so I'll just start looking at the other ones and see if there's one about a west end bridge on 265.

silverback1065

Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
Back to the topic at hand here. I don't think the group succeeded in getting 64 removed. I'm sure it would have not only taken years, but also required federal approval and even the movement's 1999 proponent of the movement called it a paper dream. And I'm not sure that 264, 265, and 65 would be able to suddenly take on that section of 64's traffic. And right now there's no plans on the books for a West End Bridge on 265. I'll ask, is there a thread about a 265 West End Bridge? I'm not planning to make any more threads for the day so I'll just start looking at the other ones and see if there's one about a west end bridge on 265.
I don't think a west end bridge was ever or will ever be planned. There's literally nothing over there in Indiana for it to go to

rickmastfan67

This is borderline Fictional, just so you know.

hbelkins

"8664" was a bad idea that got shot down.

A western I-265 bridge would be prohibitively expensive, and would require a long freeway through a rural area to tie back in to I-64. It's as bad of an idea as the third Louisville beltway that's actually under serious consideration.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

SkyPesos

Quote from: hbelkins on October 21, 2021, 08:25:46 PM
It's as bad of an idea as the third Louisville beltway that's actually under serious consideration.
I'm really hoping that the third Louisville beltway idea dies down quicker than the proposed "I-875"  Cincinnati outer beltway from about 2 decades ago. There's no way a metro area with a population of 1.4 million needs three beltways.

NWI_Irish96

I lived in the Louisville area for 11 years, and here are my thoughts:

1) This site has a search function, so you can search to see if a thread exists about a topic before starting a new one.

2) There is a group that wants to remove the 64 freeway between I-65/71 and the western I-264 junction, but they're barely active.

3) This site has a search function, so you can search to see if a thread exists about a topic before starting a new one.

4) While I-64 (and the accompanying through traffic) could certainly be routed over the new east end bridge and I-265 in Indiana, there is a sizable amount of traffic that commutes to downtown Louisville via I-64 from Floyd and Harrison counties in Indiana and removing this section of I-64 would lengthen that commute and also dump a lot of unwanted traffic on west end surface streets.

5) This site has a search function, so you can search to see if a thread exists about a topic before starting a new one.
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Chrysler375Freeway

I used the search function to try and see if there was a topic about a West End Bridge, but I couldn't find such a topic.

SkyPesos

Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 09:29:25 PM
I used the search function to try and see if there was a topic about a West End Bridge, but I couldn't find such a topic.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=22987.0

Not exactly the same (as it's mainly about the third beltway), but there is discussion about an I-265 West End bridge, as that would logically come before a third beltway, if either would get built anyways.

Chrysler375Freeway

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2021, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
Back to the topic at hand here. I don't think the group succeeded in getting 64 removed. I'm sure it would have not only taken years, but also required federal approval and even the movement's 1999 proponent of the movement called it a paper dream. And I'm not sure that 264, 265, and 65 would be able to suddenly take on that section of 64's traffic. And right now there's no plans on the books for a West End Bridge on 265. I'll ask, is there a thread about a 265 West End Bridge? I'm not planning to make any more threads for the day so I'll just start looking at the other ones and see if there's one about a west end bridge on 265.
I don't think a west end bridge was ever or will ever be planned. There's literally nothing over there in Indiana for it to go to
A new terrain route would cost millions to build, and environmental studies would take years. Meaning it's out of the question. In 2005, some Louisville Metro Council members did plan a committee to begin planning a West End Bridge to link the west end to Indiana's 265 (Exit 121) or I-64 Exit 119, where I-265 could join I-64 east to connect to Exit 121. The committee never gained traction.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2021, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
Back to the topic at hand here. I don't think the group succeeded in getting 64 removed. I'm sure it would have not only taken years, but also required federal approval and even the movement's 1999 proponent of the movement called it a paper dream. And I'm not sure that 264, 265, and 65 would be able to suddenly take on that section of 64's traffic. And right now there's no plans on the books for a West End Bridge on 265. I'll ask, is there a thread about a 265 West End Bridge? I'm not planning to make any more threads for the day so I'll just start looking at the other ones and see if there's one about a west end bridge on 265.
I don't think a west end bridge was ever or will ever be planned. There's literally nothing over there in Indiana for it to go to
A new terrain route would cost millions to build, and environmental studies would take years. Meaning it's out of the question. In 2005, some Louisville Metro Council members did plan a committee to begin planning a West End Bridge to link the west end to Indiana's 265 (Exit 121) or I-64 Exit 119, where I-265 could join I-64 east to connect to Exit 121. The committee never gained traction.

Not sure where you got your info about the Council committee, but liking a southwestern bridge to I-64 at either exits 121 or 119 is pretty much impossible due to the terrain in that area.
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

Chrysler375Freeway

Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2021, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
Back to the topic at hand here. I don't think the group succeeded in getting 64 removed. I'm sure it would have not only taken years, but also required federal approval and even the movement's 1999 proponent of the movement called it a paper dream. And I'm not sure that 264, 265, and 65 would be able to suddenly take on that section of 64's traffic. And right now there's no plans on the books for a West End Bridge on 265. I'll ask, is there a thread about a 265 West End Bridge? I'm not planning to make any more threads for the day so I'll just start looking at the other ones and see if there's one about a west end bridge on 265.
I don't think a west end bridge was ever or will ever be planned. There's literally nothing over there in Indiana for it to go to
A new terrain route would cost millions to build, and environmental studies would take years. Meaning it's out of the question. In 2005, some Louisville Metro Council members did plan a committee to begin planning a West End Bridge to link the west end to Indiana's 265 (Exit 121) or I-64 Exit 119, where I-265 could join I-64 east to connect to Exit 121. The committee never gained traction.

Not sure where you got your info about the Council committee, but liking a southwestern bridge to I-64 at either exits 121 or 119 is pretty much impossible due to the terrain in that area.
Basically, it's too hilly and rugged for a freeway to be built through there without lots of excavation, even if eminent domain usage is minimized?

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2021, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
Back to the topic at hand here. I don't think the group succeeded in getting 64 removed. I'm sure it would have not only taken years, but also required federal approval and even the movement's 1999 proponent of the movement called it a paper dream. And I'm not sure that 264, 265, and 65 would be able to suddenly take on that section of 64's traffic. And right now there's no plans on the books for a West End Bridge on 265. I'll ask, is there a thread about a 265 West End Bridge? I'm not planning to make any more threads for the day so I'll just start looking at the other ones and see if there's one about a west end bridge on 265.
I don't think a west end bridge was ever or will ever be planned. There's literally nothing over there in Indiana for it to go to
A new terrain route would cost millions to build, and environmental studies would take years. Meaning it's out of the question. In 2005, some Louisville Metro Council members did plan a committee to begin planning a West End Bridge to link the west end to Indiana's 265 (Exit 121) or I-64 Exit 119, where I-265 could join I-64 east to connect to Exit 121. The committee never gained traction.

Not sure where you got your info about the Council committee, but liking a southwestern bridge to I-64 at either exits 121 or 119 is pretty much impossible due to the terrain in that area.
Basically, it's too hilly and rugged for a freeway to be built through there without lots of excavation, even if eminent domain usage is minimized?

Yes, no freeway is getting built through that terrain.
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

Chrysler375Freeway

Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2021, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
Back to the topic at hand here. I don't think the group succeeded in getting 64 removed. I'm sure it would have not only taken years, but also required federal approval and even the movement's 1999 proponent of the movement called it a paper dream. And I'm not sure that 264, 265, and 65 would be able to suddenly take on that section of 64's traffic. And right now there's no plans on the books for a West End Bridge on 265. I'll ask, is there a thread about a 265 West End Bridge? I'm not planning to make any more threads for the day so I'll just start looking at the other ones and see if there's one about a west end bridge on 265.
I don't think a west end bridge was ever or will ever be planned. There's literally nothing over there in Indiana for it to go to
A new terrain route would cost millions to build, and environmental studies would take years. Meaning it's out of the question. In 2005, some Louisville Metro Council members did plan a committee to begin planning a West End Bridge to link the west end to Indiana's 265 (Exit 121) or I-64 Exit 119, where I-265 could join I-64 east to connect to Exit 121. The committee never gained traction.

Not sure where you got your info about the Council committee, but liking a southwestern bridge to I-64 at either exits 121 or 119 is pretty much impossible due to the terrain in that area.
Basically, it's too hilly and rugged for a freeway to be built through there without lots of excavation, even if eminent domain usage is minimized?

Yes, no freeway is getting built through that terrain.
And many people would be unhappy if they have to blast part of that to get 265 through there.

KCRoadFan

I was just thinking: has there been any talk in Louisville about putting I-64 through a tunnel with a park on top of it, much like with the "Big Dig" in Boston? Why or why not?

Chrysler375Freeway

No, I don't believe so. I'm sure it would require ventilation buildings. Lots of them.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: KCRoadFan on October 21, 2021, 11:06:40 PM
I was just thinking: has there been any talk in Louisville about putting I-64 through a tunnel with a park on top of it, much like with the "Big Dig" in Boston? Why or why not?

Is a tunnel right next to a river even possible?
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%



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