What is the name of I-57 in Chicago? I've heard some people call it the Dan Ryan Expwy, but haven't seen it labeled as such on maps. Also, why is Memphis the control city on 57, when it passes through Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Effingham, and Mount Vernon?
In Chicago it's "called" the Dan Ryan west leg, but most news reports just say 57.
Memphis is the biggest population control city, though 57 ends into I-55 which leads into Memphis. More than likely, the exits may have the smaller control cities when entering the highway downstate. I personally would maybe have had Champaign-Urbana when going south from Chicago, then switch to Memphis south of Champaign
Also, probably to eliminate some confusion(yeah, right..lol), from I-55(The Stevenson), which heads for St. Louis before heading toward Memphis. My guessing the logic: More direct.
Quote from: CapeCodder on November 21, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
What is the name of I-57 in Chicago? I've heard some people call it the Dan Ryan Expwy, but haven't seen it labeled as such on maps. Also, why is Memphis the control city on 57, when it passes through Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Effingham, and Mount Vernon?
Chicago and Memphis are the primary control cities on I-57. Chicago, Kankakee, Champaign-Urbana, Effingham, Mount Vernon, and Cairo are the secondary control cities. The primary controls are at freeway to freeway interchanges, the secondary controls are everywhere else.
Quote from: Brandon on November 21, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: CapeCodder on November 21, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
What is the name of I-57 in Chicago? I've heard some people call it the Dan Ryan Expwy, but haven't seen it labeled as such on maps. Also, why is Memphis the control city on 57, when it passes through Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Effingham, and Mount Vernon?
Chicago and Memphis are the primary control cities on I-57. Chicago, Kankakee, Champaign-Urbana, Effingham, Mount Vernon, and Cairo are the secondary control cities. The primary controls are at freeway to freeway interchanges, the secondary controls are everywhere else.
Cairo still exists?
Quote from: CapeCodder on November 21, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
What is the name of I-57 in Chicago? I've heard some people call it the Dan Ryan Expwy, but haven't seen it labeled as such on maps. Also, why is Memphis the control city on 57, when it passes through Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Effingham, and Mount Vernon?
It is most often referred to as "west leg of the Dan Ryan" in historic sites like www.cookexpressways.com. On old planning maps I remember seeing it referred to as the "South Suburban Expressway", but the name never seemed to stick. Just like I-80 between Joliet and I-294 was the "Moline Expressway".
Quote from: johndoe780 on November 21, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 21, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: CapeCodder on November 21, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
What is the name of I-57 in Chicago? I've heard some people call it the Dan Ryan Expwy, but haven't seen it labeled as such on maps. Also, why is Memphis the control city on 57, when it passes through Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Effingham, and Mount Vernon?
Chicago and Memphis are the primary control cities on I-57. Chicago, Kankakee, Champaign-Urbana, Effingham, Mount Vernon, and Cairo are the secondary control cities. The primary controls are at freeway to freeway interchanges, the secondary controls are everywhere else.
Cairo still exists?
It does - what's left of it...
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 22, 2016, 09:32:07 PM
Quote from: johndoe780 on November 21, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 21, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: CapeCodder on November 21, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
What is the name of I-57 in Chicago? I've heard some people call it the Dan Ryan Expwy, but haven't seen it labeled as such on maps. Also, why is Memphis the control city on 57, when it passes through Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Effingham, and Mount Vernon?
Chicago and Memphis are the primary control cities on I-57. Chicago, Kankakee, Champaign-Urbana, Effingham, Mount Vernon, and Cairo are the secondary control cities. The primary controls are at freeway to freeway interchanges, the secondary controls are everywhere else.
Cairo still exists?
It does - what's left of it...
Just looked up the history of the town. Even rockford made it out better.
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 21, 2016, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: CapeCodder on November 21, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
What is the name of I-57 in Chicago? I've heard some people call it the Dan Ryan Expwy, but haven't seen it labeled as such on maps. Also, why is Memphis the control city on 57, when it passes through Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Effingham, and Mount Vernon?
It is most often referred to as "west leg of the Dan Ryan" in historic sites like www.cookexpressways.com. On old planning maps I remember seeing it referred to as the "South Suburban Expressway", but the name never seemed to stick. Just like I-80 between Joliet and I-294 was the "Moline Expressway".
Interstate 80 is the Moline Expressway. I've seen the name Moline Expressway used on maps thoughout my life, but I don't recall ever hearing it used on the radio, nor have I ever heard the name used in conversations with other people. It's always called by its number.
Yea some older maps do use the name Moline Expressway. I have a Chicago 7-County street guide that refers to it as Moline. Why is it named the Moline Expressway though?
Anyways going back to 57, should I-57 be given an actual name other than the South Suburban or Dan Ryan West Leg? I think it deserves a name.
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 08:36:47 AM
Yea some older maps do use the name Moline Expressway. I have a Chicago 7-County street guide that refers to it as Moline. Why is it named the Moline Expressway though?
Because I-80 goes west from there to Moline.
Quote from: Brandon on November 23, 2016, 09:19:09 AM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 08:36:47 AM
Yea some older maps do use the name Moline Expressway. I have a Chicago 7-County street guide that refers to it as Moline. Why is it named the Moline Expressway though?
Because I-80 goes west from there to Moline.
Well yeah but I thought it was only named Moline from Joilet to the Tri-State.
Quote from: johndoe780 on November 22, 2016, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 22, 2016, 09:32:07 PM
Quote from: johndoe780 on November 21, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 21, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: CapeCodder on November 21, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
What is the name of I-57 in Chicago? I've heard some people call it the Dan Ryan Expwy, but haven't seen it labeled as such on maps. Also, why is Memphis the control city on 57, when it passes through Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Effingham, and Mount Vernon?
Chicago and Memphis are the primary control cities on I-57. Chicago, Kankakee, Champaign-Urbana, Effingham, Mount Vernon, and Cairo are the secondary control cities. The primary controls are at freeway to freeway interchanges, the secondary controls are everywhere else.
Cairo still exists?
It does - what's left of it...
Just looked up the history of the town. Even rockford made it out better.
I drove through it last year. (I took US-51 from Memphis to Bloomington which took me through there.) You can see it used to be something bigger and run down as any urban area that I have seen.
Cairo is pretty nifty if you like urban exploration and abandoned buildings.
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 02:18:59 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 23, 2016, 09:19:09 AM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 08:36:47 AM
Yea some older maps do use the name Moline Expressway. I have a Chicago 7-County street guide that refers to it as Moline. Why is it named the Moline Expressway though?
Because I-80 goes west from there to Moline.
Well yeah but I thought it was only named Moline from Joilet to the Tri-State.
When a road leaves the Chicago area, it usually loses its Chicago-area "expressway" name. For instance, no one in Pontiac, IL calls I-55 the "Stevenson Expressway" but one you get up around Bolingbrook it is common. The tollway has tried to give names to some of its roads that go to the nether regions, like "Jane Addams Tollway" for I-90, but I'd suspect most people in the Rockford area still refer to it as simply "I-90".
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 08:36:47 AM
Yea some older maps do use the name Moline Expressway. I have a Chicago 7-County street guide that refers to it as Moline. Why is it named the Moline Expressway though?
Anyways going back to 57, should I-57 be given an actual name other than the South Suburban or Dan Ryan West Leg? I think it deserves a name.
They are saving it for Obama.
Quote from: dvferyance on November 23, 2016, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 08:36:47 AM
Anyways going back to 57, should I-57 be given an actual name other than the South Suburban or Dan Ryan West Leg? I think it deserves a name.
They are saving it for Obama.
The exact same thought I had though I suspect old Barry is going to diss Chicago in retirement for Hawaii.
Quote from: dvferyance on November 23, 2016, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 08:36:47 AM
Yea some older maps do use the name Moline Expressway. I have a Chicago 7-County street guide that refers to it as Moline. Why is it named the Moline Expressway though?
Anyways going back to 57, should I-57 be given an actual name other than the South Suburban or Dan Ryan West Leg? I think it deserves a name.
They are saving it for Obama.
This would be interesting.
Quote from: johndoe780 on November 21, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Cairo still exists?
LOL not really. Truly eerie. The closest thing I've ever experienced to a ghost town. When I went there, there was a dejected traffic signal, mast arms and all, dismantled & sitting along the side of the road.
And personally I would have liked to see Champaign as a (primary) control city for I-57. IL-394 can have Danville as a control city, but I-57 can't have Champaign as one? Garbage
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 23, 2016, 06:37:00 PM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 02:18:59 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 23, 2016, 09:19:09 AM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 08:36:47 AM
Yea some older maps do use the name Moline Expressway. I have a Chicago 7-County street guide that refers to it as Moline. Why is it named the Moline Expressway though?
Because I-80 goes west from there to Moline.
Well yeah but I thought it was only named Moline from Joilet to the Tri-State.
When a road leaves the Chicago area, it usually loses its Chicago-area "expressway" name. For instance, no one in Pontiac, IL calls I-55 the "Stevenson Expressway" but one you get up around Bolingbrook it is common. The tollway has tried to give names to some of its roads that go to the nether regions, like "Jane Addams Tollway" for I-90, but I'd suspect most people in the Rockford area still refer to it as simply "I-90".
Technically, the Stevenson is only that part in Cook County, from where Joliet Road splits off to Lake Shore Drive. It was the last part of I-55 built here. The other parts were built much earlier, as one of the first freeways built by IDOT's predecessor. That's one of the reasons it is simply "I-55" or "55" southwest of County Line Road. It stems from when the road was 'US-66" or simply "66". Few in Joliet call it the Stevenson either. The only reason you get some in DuPage County and the Bolingbrook area calling it the Stevenson is due to them having moved out from Chicago.
Quote from: Brandon on November 24, 2016, 07:13:04 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 23, 2016, 06:37:00 PM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 02:18:59 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 23, 2016, 09:19:09 AM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 23, 2016, 08:36:47 AM
Yea some older maps do use the name Moline Expressway. I have a Chicago 7-County street guide that refers to it as Moline. Why is it named the Moline Expressway though?
Because I-80 goes west from there to Moline.
Well yeah but I thought it was only named Moline from Joilet to the Tri-State.
When a road leaves the Chicago area, it usually loses its Chicago-area "expressway" name. For instance, no one in Pontiac, IL calls I-55 the "Stevenson Expressway" but one you get up around Bolingbrook it is common. The tollway has tried to give names to some of its roads that go to the nether regions, like "Jane Addams Tollway" for I-90, but I'd suspect most people in the Rockford area still refer to it as simply "I-90".
Technically, the Stevenson is only that part in Cook County, from where Joliet Road splits off to Lake Shore Drive. It was the last part of I-55 built here. The other parts were built much earlier, as one of the first freeways built by IDOT's predecessor. That's one of the reasons it is simply "I-55" or "55" southwest of County Line Road. It stems from when the road was 'US-66" or simply "66". Few in Joliet call it the Stevenson either. The only reason you get some in DuPage County and the Bolingbrook area calling it the Stevenson is due to them having moved out from Chicago.
The morning traffic reporters have helped define the "expressways" too. They usually report the time on the "Stevenson" to the Dan Ryan junction from I-355 first, and then the Tri-State. Speaking of I-355, I recall the traffic reporters saying "355" instead of the "Veterans", the tollway's title.
For me I will always remember 355 as the North-South Tollway. Occasionally I'll call it the Veterans
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 25, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
For me I will always remember 355 as the North-South Tollway. Occasionally I'll call it the Veterans
I-355 is strange in that I've heard it sometimes be referred to as 355 not only on its entire stretch but sometimes on the 290 stretch through Itasca. I'll save my thoughts on what should be done with the numbering for the fictional threads.
Getting back to I-57, in general, it really is kind of a "forgotten" expressway in many circles around here. Normally, traffic reports simply say I-57, but it gets little mention. Unless you live in the South Suburbs or go to U of I, it's not one on too many people's minds here. My thought, though, is why isn't it six lanes at least to Sauk Trail (maybe even a bit further)? I feel that the traffic it gets warrants at least this many lanes down to there.
Quote from: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 25, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
For me I will always remember 355 as the North-South Tollway. Occasionally I'll call it the Veterans
I-355 is strange in that I've heard it sometimes be referred to as 355 not only on its entire stretch but sometimes on the 290 stretch through Itasca. I'll save my thoughts on what should be done with the numbering for the fictional threads.
Getting back to I-57, in general, it really is kind of a "forgotten" expressway in many circles around here. Normally, traffic reports simply say I-57, but it gets little mention. Unless you live in the South Suburbs or go to U of I, it's not one on too many people's minds here. My thought, though, is why isn't it six lanes at least to Sauk Trail (maybe even a bit further)? I feel that the traffic it gets warrants at least this many lanes down to there.
Both IDOT Districts 1 and 3 completed feasibility studies for the additional lanes on I-57 from Kankakee to I-80. All new or reconstructed bridges are being done to accommodate 6 lanes, such as the new interchanges at 6000 North Road in Manteno and Stuenkel Road in University Park. The actual adding of lanes is not on IDOT's radar yet, traffic counts do warrant them especially at the north end.
It's actually called the Dan Ryan West Leg but I never hear it called anything but I-57 in traffic reports.
Quote from: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 25, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
For me I will always remember 355 as the North-South Tollway. Occasionally I'll call it the Veterans
I-355 is strange in that I've heard it sometimes be referred to as 355 not only on its entire stretch but sometimes on the 290 stretch through Itasca. I'll save my thoughts on what should be done with the numbering for the fictional threads.
Getting back to I-57, in general, it really is kind of a "forgotten" expressway in many circles around here. Normally, traffic reports simply say I-57, but it gets little mention. Unless you live in the South Suburbs or go to U of I, it's not one on too many people's minds here. My thought, though, is why isn't it six lanes at least to Sauk Trail (maybe even a bit further)? I feel that the traffic it gets warrants at least this many lanes down to there.
just wait for 53 to be build to see some realy odd numbering. The main line has like different numbers end to end right now. What will they do add TOLL US-12 to the mix? and maybe TOLL IL-120
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on August 09, 2017, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: ILRoad55 on November 25, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
For me I will always remember 355 as the North-South Tollway. Occasionally I'll call it the Veterans
I-355 is strange in that I've heard it sometimes be referred to as 355 not only on its entire stretch but sometimes on the 290 stretch through Itasca. I'll save my thoughts on what should be done with the numbering for the fictional threads.
Getting back to I-57, in general, it really is kind of a "forgotten" expressway in many circles around here. Normally, traffic reports simply say I-57, but it gets little mention. Unless you live in the South Suburbs or go to U of I, it's not one on too many people's minds here. My thought, though, is why isn't it six lanes at least to Sauk Trail (maybe even a bit further)? I feel that the traffic it gets warrants at least this many lanes down to there.
just wait for 53 to be build to see some realy odd numbering. The main line has like different numbers end to end right now. What will they do add TOLL US-12 to the mix? and maybe TOLL IL-120
I wouldn't worry about that. I don't think that will ever be built.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 09, 2017, 11:15:26 AM
It's actually called the Dan Ryan West Leg but I never hear it called anything but I-57 in traffic reports.
IMO, it would be fitting to name the road after Obama. Not to say one thing or another on his politics, but he is a president from the Chicago area so something should be named for him. As I-57 is the only roadway in the area without a more prominent proper name, it is a good candidate for the Obama Expy.
Quote from: mrsman on November 22, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
IMO, it would be fitting to name the road after Obama. Not to say one thing or another on his politics, but he is a president from the Chicago area so something should be named for him. As I-57 is the only roadway in the area without a more prominent proper name, it is a good candidate for the Obama Expy.
One could argue that the Tri-State could use a new name, or there is also the new IL 390/Elgin-O'Hare Expressway
I would be more in favor of I-57, tho. It doesn't get all the way up to the Hyde Park area, but it does feed up towards that way into the Dan Ryan, and that is President Obama's neighborhood
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 22, 2017, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: mrsman on November 22, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
IMO, it would be fitting to name the road after Obama. Not to say one thing or another on his politics, but he is a president from the Chicago area so something should be named for him. As I-57 is the only roadway in the area without a more prominent proper name, it is a good candidate for the Obama Expy.
One could argue that the Tri-State could use a new name, or there is also the new IL 390/Elgin-O'Hare Expressway
I would be more in favor of I-57, tho. It doesn't get all the way up to the Hyde Park area, but it does feed up towards that way into the Dan Ryan, and that is President Obama's neighborhood
I thought I heard that a portion of I-55 near Dwight, of all places, was to be named for Obama.
"-355 is strange in that I've heard it sometimes be referred to as 355 not only on its entire stretch but sometimes on the 290 stretch through Itasca. I'll save my thoughts on what should be done with the numbering for the fictional threads."
I-355 should really be labeled as I-380, since its parent route is I-80. The I-355 designation was rushed prior to the southern section being completed.
Nah, I-355 is fine
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 08, 2018, 06:32:13 PM
Nah, I-355 is fine
Now if we could only get an I-X57 designation in IL...
Quote from: inkyatari on January 08, 2018, 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 08, 2018, 06:32:13 PM
Nah, I-355 is fine
Now if we could only get an I-X57 designation in IL...
Well I don't see a Champaign/Urbana, Effingham, Mt Vernon, or Marion/Carbondale Beltway anytime soon
Pretty sure IL 13 has the capacity to feed SIU traffic in Carbondale from I-57 and doesn't need the Interstate upgrade, but if one wanted an Interstate Freeway, would rather see I-24 then to STL vs an (odd)57
And same with IL 16 going to EIU in Charleston - doesn't really justfy Interstate upgrade for an (odd)57
Fantasyland...eliminate I-294 and make the entire Tri-State I-94. Continue I-57 into Downtown on the Dan Ryan and JFK, north onto the Edens, up to the Tri-State. Bishop Ford Freeway can be an (odd)57, including the Stub end currently numbered IL 394
I would see Arkansas getting an x57 before Illinois
Quote from: leroy217 on January 08, 2018, 04:47:54 PM
I-355 should really be labeled as I-380, since its parent route is I-80.
It started as a spur off I-55. The extension to I-80 came later. Of course, it was supposedly recommended to be I-455 as a Beltway, but ISTHA felt 355 was more appropriate as a Spur
That said, is I-355 unique, as an (odd)di, now connecting to its Parent at a midpoint, not an endpoint? IL 390 does this too, but (as of yet) is not an Interstate designation...I guess I-580 in the Bay Area is concurrent with I-80 along part of its route, and exists on both sides of I-80
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 08, 2018, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 08, 2018, 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 08, 2018, 06:32:13 PM
Nah, I-355 is fine
Now if we could only get an I-X57 designation in IL...
Well I don't see a Champaign/Urbana, Effingham, Mt Vernon, or Marion/Carbondale Beltway anytime soon
My thought was if the Illiana ever gets built numbering it 357, just because it's a cool number.
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 08, 2018, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 08, 2018, 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 08, 2018, 06:32:13 PM
Nah, I-355 is fine
Now if we could only get an I-X57 designation in IL...
Well I don't see a Champaign/Urbana, Effingham, Mt Vernon, or Marion/Carbondale Beltway anytime soon
Pretty sure IL 13 has the capacity to feed SIU traffic in Carbondale from I-57 and doesn't need the Interstate upgrade, but if one wanted an Interstate Freeway, would rather see I-24 then to STL vs an (odd)57
Traffic is much thicker between Marion and Carbondale than between Carbondale and anywhere northwest of it. IL-13 along there has also been known to have some nasty accidents. I remember one in particular, where a trucker was turning left from Cambria Road to go east on IL-13, and he had to wait in the median to complete the maneuver. His back end (the truck, not the driver) was hanging out into the westbound lanes, and another driver "thought she had plenty of time" so didn't even slow down before running into the trailer.
Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2018, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 08, 2018, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 08, 2018, 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 08, 2018, 06:32:13 PM
Nah, I-355 is fine
Now if we could only get an I-X57 designation in IL...
Well I don't see a Champaign/Urbana, Effingham, Mt Vernon, or Marion/Carbondale Beltway anytime soon
Pretty sure IL 13 has the capacity to feed SIU traffic in Carbondale from I-57 and doesn't need the Interstate upgrade, but if one wanted an Interstate Freeway, would rather see I-24 then to STL vs an (odd)57
Traffic is much thicker between Marion and Carbondale than between Carbondale and anywhere northwest of it. IL-13 along there has also been known to have some nasty accidents. I remember one in particular, where a trucker was turning left from Cambria Road to go east on IL-13, and he had to wait in the median to complete the maneuver. His back end (the truck, not the driver) was hanging out into the westbound lanes, and another driver "thought she had plenty of time" so didn't even slow down before running into the trailer.
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
:wow: :wow: :wow:
That's like the gerrymandered districts in Chicago!
https://goo.gl/maps/KmBmct7m2ZB2
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
:wow: :wow: :wow:
That's like the gerrymandered districts in Chicago!
https://goo.gl/maps/KmBmct7m2ZB2
I didn't even have to look it up and I knew that was the same city.
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
:wow: :wow: :wow:
That's like the gerrymandered districts in Chicago!
https://goo.gl/maps/KmBmct7m2ZB2
Except that all it seems to do is connect the main town with a bunch of undeveloped land around Sugar Creek. I have no idea what's up with that.
Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
:wow: :wow: :wow:
That's like the gerrymandered districts in Chicago!
https://goo.gl/maps/KmBmct7m2ZB2
Except that all it seems to do is connect the main town with a bunch of undeveloped land around Sugar Creek. I have no idea what's up with that.
From what little I've been able to gather is either a real estate development, or a drinking water reservoir.
Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
:wow: :wow: :wow:
That's like the gerrymandered districts in Chicago!
https://goo.gl/maps/KmBmct7m2ZB2
Except that all it seems to do is connect the main town with a bunch of undeveloped land around Sugar Creek. I have no idea what's up with that.
That's what I was wondering. What is the point in that land being a part of the city of Marion? The rest of Marion is several miles north and it's only connected to that by an extremely narrow piece of land. It's sort of like Chicago being connected to O'Hare but at least with O'Hare there is something there.
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
:wow: :wow: :wow:
That's like the gerrymandered districts in Chicago!
https://goo.gl/maps/KmBmct7m2ZB2
Except that all it seems to do is connect the main town with a bunch of undeveloped land around Sugar Creek. I have no idea what's up with that.
From what little I've been able to gather is either a real estate development, or a drinking water reservoir.
Looking at the one street on there from StreetView it looks like a ghost town in that area.
Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
:wow: :wow: :wow:
That's like the gerrymandered districts in Chicago!
https://goo.gl/maps/KmBmct7m2ZB2
Except that all it seems to do is connect the main town with a bunch of undeveloped land around Sugar Creek. I have no idea what's up with that.
The City of Marion purchased all the land around there to dam up the Creek for a new water reservoir. The permit was eventually denied but they are still holding all of the land.
https://www.fws.gov/FieldNotes/regmap.cfm?arskey=21944
http://www.carbondaletimes.com/news/20171229/marion-wraps-up-purchase-of-sugar-creek-started-in-1990s
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 09, 2018, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Speaking of Marion I think that's the city with the strange city limits. Most of the city is in one area and then going southeast it follows a narrow line for several miles to the other side of Creal Springs. I have never seen a city's city limits drawn like that.
:wow: :wow: :wow:
That's like the gerrymandered districts in Chicago!
https://goo.gl/maps/KmBmct7m2ZB2
Except that all it seems to do is connect the main town with a bunch of undeveloped land around Sugar Creek. I have no idea what's up with that.
The City of Marion purchased all the land around there to dam up the Creek for a new water reservoir. The permit was eventually denied but they are still holding all of the land.
https://www.fws.gov/FieldNotes/regmap.cfm?arskey=21944
http://www.carbondaletimes.com/news/20171229/marion-wraps-up-purchase-of-sugar-creek-started-in-1990s
I was about to reply that the drinking water around there comes from Rend Lake, but then I saw your post. Glad we got that settled!
Quote from: mrsman on November 22, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 09, 2017, 11:15:26 AM
It's actually called the Dan Ryan West Leg but I never hear it called anything but I-57 in traffic reports.
IMO, it would be fitting to name the road after Obama. Not to say one thing or another on his politics, but he is a president from the Chicago area so something should be named for him. As I-57 is the only roadway in the area without a more prominent proper name, it is a good candidate for the Obama Expy.
It'll have to be the Obama
Freeway. Not MUTCD-compliant to name them expressways anymore.
Also there isn't any place in this country including Chicago that needs to have anything named after Obama.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Also there isn't any place in this country including Chicago that needs to have anything named after Obama.
Why not? Pretty much every former president has several roads, in some cases freeways or major arterials, named after them.
Quote from: 1 on January 09, 2018, 06:28:17 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Also there isn't any place in this country including Chicago that needs to have anything named after Obama.
Why not? Pretty much every former president has several roads, in some cases freeways or major arterials, named after them.
Because politics. Don't egg on that sort of conversation.
Quote from: kphoger on January 10, 2018, 01:01:01 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 09, 2018, 06:28:17 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 09, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Also there isn't any place in this country including Chicago that needs to have anything named after Obama.
Why not? Pretty much every former president has several roads, in some cases freeways or major arterials, named after them.
Because politics. Don't egg on that sort of conversation.
Well, even if Chicago takes a pass on the Obama designation, he just got a section of CA 134, between CA 2 and I-210 (aka the Ventura Freeway) named after him, considered geographically appropriate since he did his first two undergraduate years at Occidental College in Eagle Rock, just south of that stretch of freeway.
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 08:56:21 AM
My thought was if the Illiana ever gets built numbering it 357, just because it's a cool number.
I like it, but I can see Team Blue anti-gun types in Illinois throwing a conniption fit over the number thanks to the .357 Magnum.
I also like the idea of making US 30 across northern Indiana into I-76, then just continuing the I-76 number onto the Illiana.
Quote from: Finrod on January 11, 2018, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 08:56:21 AM
My thought was if the Illiana ever gets built numbering it 357, just because it's a cool number.
I like it, but I can see Team Blue anti-gun types in Illinois throwing a conniption fit over the number thanks to the .357 Magnum.
I also like the idea of making US 30 across northern Indiana into I-76, then just continuing the I-76 number onto the Illiana.
I prefer the US 30/Illiana freeway, if ever extended West beyond OH into IN & IL, to end up as I-80 - get rid of the OH/IN 80-90 Multiplex. I-76 would be my 2nd choice, if such a thing comes to pass
Quote from: Finrod on January 11, 2018, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 08:56:21 AM
My thought was if the Illiana ever gets built numbering it 357, just because it's a cool number.
I like it, but I can see Team Blue anti-gun types in Illinois throwing a conniption fit over the number thanks to the .357 Magnum.
Kind of like how Team Red's Jesus people got US 666 renumbered?
As much as I'd like to see US 30 turned into an Interstate-grade freeway, the Toll Road will never allow that to happen, because of some no-compete clause. What's the radius for that restriction, 50 miles?
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 12, 2018, 09:12:06 AM
Quote from: Finrod on January 11, 2018, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 09, 2018, 08:56:21 AM
My thought was if the Illiana ever gets built numbering it 357, just because it's a cool number.
I like it, but I can see Team Blue anti-gun types in Illinois throwing a conniption fit over the number thanks to the .357 Magnum.
Kind of like how Team Red's Jesus people got US 666 renumbered?
Or I-420?
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 12, 2018, 09:12:06 AM
Kind of like how Team Red's Jesus people got US 666 renumbered?
I had heard they renumbered it due to sign theft. In any case it's US 491 now, so just remember, 491 is the Secretly Evil Number.
Quote from: Henry on January 12, 2018, 09:15:01 AM
As much as I'd like to see US 30 turned into an Interstate-grade freeway, the Toll Road will never allow that to happen, because of some no-compete clause. What's the radius for that restriction, 50 miles?
While it is in another state isn't I-94 less than 50 miles away? It can't be much more than that.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 16, 2018, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 12, 2018, 09:15:01 AM
As much as I'd like to see US 30 turned into an Interstate-grade freeway, the Toll Road will never allow that to happen, because of some no-compete clause. What's the radius for that restriction, 50 miles?
While it is in another state isn't I-94 less than 50 miles away? It can't be much more than that.
However, it was built long before the Toll Road was rented out to the consortium. And, as you mention, it is in another state and therefore not subject to the agreement between the consortium and the State of Indiana. MDOT can do as they like with I-94.
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 16, 2018, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 12, 2018, 09:15:01 AM
As much as I'd like to see US 30 turned into an Interstate-grade freeway, the Toll Road will never allow that to happen, because of some no-compete clause. What's the radius for that restriction, 50 miles?
While it is in another state isn't I-94 less than 50 miles away? It can't be much more than that.
More like 40 miles, I-69's exit with I-94 (the interchange near Battle Creek) is exit 38.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
That's not a decision MDOT can make.
How in the hell could I-94 in MI be considered a shunpiking alternative to I-80/90 through IN?
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
Quote from: abefroman329 on January 17, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
How in the hell could I-94 in MI be considered a shunpiking alternative to I-80/90 through IN?
It's not, once your in Michigan on I-94 it would be well out of your way to use it as an alternate route to I-80/90. If you're going to do that using US 12 until at least Sturgis and more so US 20 would be the better alternate. Even US 6 would be a better alternate route depending on if you want to bypass Toledo.
But if you are using I-94 as an alternate to I-80/90 I'd say you're going about 90 to 100 miles out of your way just to bypass a Toll Road.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 17, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 17, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that? You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 17, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that? You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 17, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that? You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.
Ah. But they can't. MDOT can't just decide to move an Interstate designation onto another highway.
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 04:50:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 17, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that? You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.
Ah. But they can't. MDOT can't just decide to move an Interstate designation onto another highway.
Nope but when they were planning I-94 in Michigan they could have most likely chose that route instead if they wanted to. I think it's more north so it's in line with Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Jackson and Ann Arbor.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 04:50:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 17, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that? You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.
Ah. But they can't. MDOT can't just decide to move an Interstate designation onto another highway.
Nope but when they were planning I-94 in Michigan they could have most likely chose that route instead if they wanted to. I think it's more north so it's in line with Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Jackson and Ann Arbor.
The current routing goes back in planning to at least 1955.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Interstate_Highway_plan_September_1955.jpg)
I like how that 1955 map has the US 50(IL)/150(IN) route for what we know now as I-64 (which is partially built in both states) and not the route that came to be, via Mt Vernon, IL and Evansville, IN
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 17, 2018, 08:33:40 PM
I like how that 1955 map has the US 50(IL)/150(IN) route for what we know now as I-64 (which is partially built in both states) and not the route that came to be, via Mt Vernon, IL and Evansville, IN
Based on the bend in the Ohio River between Cairo and Paducah, that map also appears to show I-57 running farther west south of I-64 as well.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 04:50:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 17, 2018, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 17, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that? You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.
Ah. But they can't. MDOT can't just decide to move an Interstate designation onto another highway.
Nope but when they were planning I-94 in Michigan they could have most likely chose that route instead if they wanted to. I think it's more north so it's in line with Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Jackson and Ann Arbor.
Your original statement was "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line." No they can't.
If you would have said "MDOT could have run I-94 just north of the state line..." perhaps it would have been accurate.
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 17, 2018, 08:33:40 PM
I like how that 1955 map has the US 50(IL)/150(IN) route for what we know now as I-64 (which is partially built in both states) and not the route that came to be, via Mt Vernon, IL and Evansville, IN
Yes, its true. US50 was the intended route of I-64 at one time across Illinois. The route was changed due to some political lobbying during a transportation funding bill in the late 1960's and moved farther south to get closer to Evansville.
The US House Representative for SE Illinois blocked the change until they threw him a bone. This is how Olney, IL population 8000, (on US50) got a PBS TV station license run under Southern Illinois University. (WUSI-TV)