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Re: New York
« Reply #5225 on: April 27, 2021, 07:28:10 PM »

Haven't had a chance to mention this, but the guide signs along NY 5S inside the Utica city limits were replaced this past week.  No more boxed signs except for EB at Dyke Rd.  The Herkimer County signs have not been replaced as of yet but given recent sign projects that I have noticed along NY 5 (Utica line to Lock 19), NY 5S (east of Mohawk to at least Washington St.), and NY 28 (south of Mohawk to the Otsego County line), I would suspect the guide signs will be replaced later this summer.

On a semi-related note, the NY 5S reconstruction project in downtown Utica (the focal point for last summer's meet) is nearing completion as crews have been spending the past week on landscaping and finishing touches.

I don't think they ever advertised this project? I'm happy the signs are replaced; they looked awful from day one, but I didn't see any plans indicating their replacement.
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« Reply #5226 on: April 29, 2021, 11:54:25 PM »

I don't want to hotlink a Facebook image but I posted this to my page, which is publicly viewable - anyone have an idea what the top sign once read? SA something, but not SAT-SUN. It was at the far western end of La Grange Rd. in Binghamton where it enters the cemetery.


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« Reply #5227 on: April 30, 2021, 01:59:09 AM »

I don't want to hotlink a Facebook image but I posted this to my page, which is publicly viewable - anyone have an idea what the top sign once read? SA something, but not SAT-SUN. It was at the far western end of La Grange Rd. in Binghamton where it enters the cemetery.

"Saint Mary's Cemetery"?
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Re: New York
« Reply #5228 on: April 30, 2021, 12:55:43 PM »

You’re lucky to find a Binghamtonian here!

I’m almost positive what you thought to be “S” is part of the “B” in Binghamton, and the “A” being the left side and slant of the first “N”.  This appears to be an older style of the red signs with parking regulations that are posted at the city limits.  I can’t find a photo online of the ones I’m thinking of but if I happen to spot one remaining when I’m out, I’ll get a photo.  Most of them have been replaced with different signs that don’t have “BINGHAMTON” on them anymore.
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« Reply #5229 on: April 30, 2021, 03:04:42 PM »

I don't want to hotlink a Facebook image but I posted this to my page, which is publicly viewable - anyone have an idea what the top sign once read? SA something, but not SAT-SUN. It was at the far western end of La Grange Rd. in Binghamton where it enters the cemetery.

"Saint Mary's Cemetery"?
Definitely not an I after the "SA". (Or SN, or SW, or...)

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Re: New York
« Reply #5230 on: April 30, 2021, 03:05:22 PM »

You’re lucky to find a Binghamtonian here!

I’m almost positive what you thought to be “S” is part of the “B” in Binghamton, and the “A” being the left side and slant of the first “N”.  This appears to be an older style of the red signs with parking regulations that are posted at the city limits.  I can’t find a photo online of the ones I’m thinking of but if I happen to spot one remaining when I’m out, I’ll get a photo.  Most of them have been replaced with different signs that don’t have “BINGHAMTON” on them anymore.
Yes! Thanks! BINGHAMTON NO PARKING... and it's at city limits.

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Re: New York
« Reply #5231 on: May 04, 2021, 08:40:31 AM »

I drove on the vanwyck Expressway and couldnt happen but notice that construction on the HOV has started especially in the area of the LIRR bridges and atlantic ave
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Re: New York
« Reply #5232 on: May 04, 2021, 10:34:49 AM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

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Re: New York
« Reply #5233 on: May 04, 2021, 10:51:52 AM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Binghamton isn't used much until you get to I-84, but I'm not sure why. I'd use both Binghamton and Harriman.
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« Reply #5234 on: May 04, 2021, 10:52:56 AM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Binghamton isn't used much until you get to I-84, but I'm not sure why. I'd use both Binghamton and Harriman.
The fastest route from NYC to Binghamton is 80-380-81, but by that point NY 17 is the fastest route.

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Re: New York
« Reply #5235 on: May 04, 2021, 11:02:46 AM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Because you're on the Thruway and the Thruway traditionally didn't really use control cities. Rather, they signed exits for the local cities the exit serves. They seem to be getting better but for those of us old enough to remember the old "Thruway blue" exit signs (before they then went to dark green but still in the same Thruway layout style and now to largely conforming green signs), they, AFAIK, always only listed local cities. I suspect back then the goal was to make the signs largely match the exit description on the toll ticket.
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Re: New York
« Reply #5236 on: May 04, 2021, 11:11:04 AM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Binghamton isn't used much until you get to I-84, but I'm not sure why. I'd use both Binghamton and Harriman.
The fastest route from NYC to Binghamton is 80-380-81, but by that point NY 17 is the fastest route.

For Manhattan, yes. For Westchester and Rockland counties, NY 17 is faster.
As with everything in NYC, it depends on traffic, but under normal conditions, the GWB is roughly the dividing line.
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Re: New York
« Reply #5237 on: May 04, 2021, 11:15:36 AM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Because you're on the Thruway and the Thruway traditionally didn't really use control cities. Rather, they signed exits for the local cities the exit serves. They seem to be getting better but for those of us old enough to the old "Thruway blue" exit signs (before they then went to dark green but still in the same Thruway layout style and now to largely conforming green signs), they, AFAIK, always only listed local cities. I suspect back then the goal was to make the signs largely match the exit description on the toll ticket.

Interesting. I suspect this mostly applies to non-interstates, because there are cases like I-390 (Corning) and I-81 (Watertown) where the control city for the route is used... although maybe those weren't used historically either, I'm not sure.
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Re: New York
« Reply #5238 on: May 04, 2021, 02:19:36 PM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Because you're on the Thruway and the Thruway traditionally didn't really use control cities. Rather, they signed exits for the local cities the exit serves. They seem to be getting better but for those of us old enough to the old "Thruway blue" exit signs (before they then went to dark green but still in the same Thruway layout style and now to largely conforming green signs), they, AFAIK, always only listed local cities. I suspect back then the goal was to make the signs largely match the exit description on the toll ticket.
They sign control cities for I-87 (Montreal)?

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Re: New York
« Reply #5239 on: May 04, 2021, 02:26:27 PM »

As I said, they’re getting better. I recall far away cities would be listed on an auxiliary sign about 1/2 mile before the exit saying something like:
Exit Here For
Montreal
Saratoga Springs
Lake George

I wish I had a picture of the old style Thruway exit signs. Not at all like today’s signs and not at all like what was used on NYDOT maintained roads.


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Re: New York
« Reply #5240 on: May 04, 2021, 03:37:25 PM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Because you're on the Thruway and the Thruway traditionally didn't really use control cities. Rather, they signed exits for the local cities the exit serves. They seem to be getting better but for those of us old enough to the old "Thruway blue" exit signs (before they then went to dark green but still in the same Thruway layout style and now to largely conforming green signs), they, AFAIK, always only listed local cities. I suspect back then the goal was to make the signs largely match the exit description on the toll ticket.
They sign control cities for I-87 (Montreal)?

It's Albany/Montreal: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6795999,-73.8455831,3a,75y,349.2h,85.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6zDqWbuTx4w5x1_KW5CH0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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« Reply #5241 on: May 04, 2021, 03:41:42 PM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Because you're on the Thruway and the Thruway traditionally didn't really use control cities. Rather, they signed exits for the local cities the exit serves. They seem to be getting better but for those of us old enough to the old "Thruway blue" exit signs (before they then went to dark green but still in the same Thruway layout style and now to largely conforming green signs), they, AFAIK, always only listed local cities. I suspect back then the goal was to make the signs largely match the exit description on the toll ticket.
They sign control cities for I-87 (Montreal)?

It's Albany/Montreal: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6795999,-73.8455831,3a,75y,349.2h,85.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6zDqWbuTx4w5x1_KW5CH0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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Re: New York
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« Reply #5243 on: May 04, 2021, 08:21:49 PM »

Istone19, I'm a few years older than you and I do remember the Thruway's blue signs with their unique style. They were actually among the original templates for what became the nationwide system, along with California's freeway signing. Though I favored complete standardization in signing when I was younger, I now miss both the Thruway's and Connecticut Turnpike's original blue signs and unique style.
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Re: New York
« Reply #5244 on: May 05, 2021, 07:54:51 PM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Because you're on the Thruway and the Thruway traditionally didn't really use control cities. Rather, they signed exits for the local cities the exit serves. They seem to be getting better but for those of us old enough to the old "Thruway blue" exit signs (before they then went to dark green but still in the same Thruway layout style and now to largely conforming green signs), they, AFAIK, always only listed local cities. I suspect back then the goal was to make the signs largely match the exit description on the toll ticket.

Interesting. I suspect this mostly applies to non-interstates, because there are cases like I-390 (Corning) and I-81 (Watertown) where the control city for the route is used... although maybe those weren't used historically either, I'm not sure.

Exit 36 originally used Syracuse for the control city. Binghamton was added a few years later as a supplemental sign on the same posts.

      (81) (11)
      Syracuse
EXIT 36    1 MILE

    Binghamton


I have a hunch the I-81 and US 11 markers replaced "ROUTE 11"
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Re: New York
« Reply #5245 on: May 06, 2021, 11:17:20 AM »

What have happened with NYSDOT traffic data viewer? It was a great tool... 
Looks like there is a new design now, which is slow, but  shows 100k+ AADT for every 2-lane side street to compensate for the wait. 

PS. Good thing they didn't make it a roundabout, though.

UPD: got it, they just display some random number next to the road, you have to click to get the traffic info. Simplified design™
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« Reply #5246 on: May 06, 2021, 12:32:52 PM »

UPD: got it, they just display some random number next to the road, you have to click to get the traffic info. Simplified design™

Yeah, I noticed that as well... it was much easier to use when the AADT values were readily visible. Not sure what the six digits refer to, must be a reference code of some sort.
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« Reply #5247 on: May 06, 2021, 01:59:28 PM »

Those are count station numbers, usually formatted XX_YZZZ.  XX is the region/county code (same as on reference markers).  YZZZ is the actual station number.  Y actually has some information regarding the type of count.  0 is state routes, 1 and 2 are federal aid eligible local routes, 3 is for ramps, 5 was used for the non-federal aid local roads VMT study a few years ago, 6 is for bridges off the federal aid system, 8 (I think) is for rail crossings off the federal aid system, and 9 is for special counts and not assigned permanently (presuming nothing's changed since the last data services conference... I remember someone saying something about wanting to move away from that system).  I forget what 4 and 7 are used for.
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« Reply #5248 on: May 08, 2021, 08:25:26 AM »

Why isn't Binghamton a control city for NY 17 at the I-87 exit? Only Harriman is used.

Because you're on the Thruway and the Thruway traditionally didn't really use control cities. Rather, they signed exits for the local cities the exit serves. They seem to be getting better but for those of us old enough to the old "Thruway blue" exit signs (before they then went to dark green but still in the same Thruway layout style and now to largely conforming green signs), they, AFAIK, always only listed local cities. I suspect back then the goal was to make the signs largely match the exit description on the toll ticket.

Interesting. I suspect this mostly applies to non-interstates, because there are cases like I-390 (Corning) and I-81 (Watertown) where the control city for the route is used... although maybe those weren't used historically either, I'm not sure.

Yeah, you only have to go one exit up, and they sign Scranton for I-84.  There's no good reason not to be signing Binghamton for NY 17/Future I-86.
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« Reply #5249 on: May 09, 2021, 04:47:32 PM »

I just went through affected area of I-87. Traffic situation is nowhere close to the total collapse we feared.
Right lane is separated by jersey barriers, steel support columns are installed in the right lane. Other two lanes are open for traffic.
No entry at Exit 9, removing a lot of traffic and a heavy merge just upstream of accident location.  Exit 8A is probably a mess during commute, but traffic is still suppressed by covid.
The only thing I would do differently is extending lane closure by another mile to exit 8A to facilitate that merge.

Biggest issue would be on weekends, when a lot of NYC vacation traffic would be coming from Adirondack and Lake George.
And the latest update: https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/After-crash-section-of-bridge-over-Northway-to-16118979.php
Section of a bridge is coming down, as @cl94 said - I assume the span over southbound lanes?. Highway closed overnight on weekend.
That's a lot of aftermath from a single impact...
And an end of the story - for now: Sitterly is open with a temporary bridge installed, highway is fully open for  past 2 weeks. Temporary bridge being higher than the old one - maybe by a foot or so-  is a small perk for highway traffic
I assume permanent bridge is the next thing to happen, but I wouldn't be surprized if it takes a year or two to be built.
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