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Author Topic: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)  (Read 49668 times)

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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #400 on: April 26, 2021, 11:01:00 PM »

For those crossing the border at Laredo, the all interstate route via SA is virtually the same timewise as using the 2-lanes and small towns of US59.  So what exactly is the point you're trying to make?
Either way, going southwest on I-69 / US-59 or staying on I-10, you’re going through Houston regardless.
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #401 on: May 02, 2021, 05:56:21 PM »

At Friday's meeting of the Texas Transportation Commission, Chairman Bruce Bugg mentioned that has met with Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner twice recently in person as part of the Commission's efforts to keep the project moving forward.
See opening remarks, comments begin at 23:00 http://txdot.swagit.com/play/04292021-553

The Commission approves eminent domain every month, and this month's list included 8 parcels for NHHIP. This is the first eminent domain action for NHHIP. Most of these parcels are small properties along IH-45 south of IH-69. However, multiple large buildings have already been acquired without eminent domain, including two along IH-10 on the north side of downtown.

Also, the Houston Chronicle recently reported that planning on the section of IH-69 between Spur 527 and SH 288 is proceeding.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/transportation/article/Metro-set-to-spend-millions-to-make-sure-I-45-16118744.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

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Though TxDOT has halted development of many segments, the portion along I-69 from Spur 527 to Texas 288 — which includes Wheeler — remains on pace for construction to start next year. Widening I-45 and redoing the downtown system is spread across many distinct but connected projects, and TxDOT had approvals and design ready for the first segments, but has halted development of the others until a lawsuit filed by Harris County and the federal review are settled.

This all seems to indicate that parts of the project are continuing to move forward while work on other parts has been suspended due to the lawsuit.

Below: The building with the graffiti, including the lower section in the foreground, has been acquired. This photo also shows some of the massive palm tree devastation which occurred everywhere in the Houston area due to the February freeze.



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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #402 on: May 04, 2021, 07:15:45 AM »

I imagine the downtown rebuild is going to be the least controversial
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #403 on: May 04, 2021, 10:23:09 AM »

I’m super happy to see this project moving forward. Now if we can just get the Hardy Toll road extension built. That is a tragedy they decided to “shelve” that project.
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #404 on: May 04, 2021, 10:52:32 AM »

I imagine the downtown rebuild is going to be the least controversial

As far as controversial in relationship to the activists, you are probably right.  There is a less vocal segment of the population who are dismayed at the idea that all the eggs are being in one basket. It is theoretically possible for one wreck to shut down all three downtown interstates.

The prospect of the construction bringing downtown to a crawl for a decade is also daunting.  There are some who believe the Pierce Elevated corridor should have a freeway of some sort whether it is just replace it, build a tunnel, or some other alternative.  While not everyone is on board for the downtown plan, it is probably going to meet minimal opposition.
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #405 on: May 04, 2021, 11:06:24 AM »

It would be prudent to build cut and cover tunnel bypass with limited portal access in the path of the pierce elevated. Id even support tolls. Do what Washington state did to the Alaskan Way Viaduct.
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #406 on: May 04, 2021, 11:25:17 AM »

While not everyone is on board for the downtown plan, it is probably going to meet minimal opposition.
I don't like the loss of the Pierce Elevated as a transportation corridor, but this plan is a compromise with positives and negatives. Its removal is part of the comprehensive downtown plan and certain downtown interests really want it gone, so I think there's no chance of it being used for a transportation corridor, except maybe for pedestrian and bicycle.

It would be nice if the Pierce corridor could be used for managed lane connections through downtown. But I don't see that as a possibility.

While the Pierce Elevated had its pavement replaced in 1997 and still has plenty of life, it's not going to last forever. My concern is that if NNHIP does not move forward, the future of the Pierce Elevated will be need to be considered again at some point in the future. At that time in the future, the political climate could be even less favorable. For example, the anti-car/anti-road folks may have more power and demand its removal *without* a replacement and just route traffic on existing streets (or use existing IH-69 and and IH-10), similar to the effort to remove IH-345 in Dallas. So my view is that it's better to take what can be achieved now, rather than risk a much worse outcome in the future.

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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #407 on: May 04, 2021, 03:44:04 PM »

I'm one of those people that doesn't really like the idea of removing the Pierce Elevated. I like having the option of getting onto the interstate from anywhere in downtown and being able to drive around the downtown "loop" to get to the freeway I need to get on. I also don't like the idea of a single crash shutting down downtown. My idea for the Pierce elevated to solve its traffic would be to put the southbound lanes in a trench while having the northbound lanes on a new viaduct over the trench (almost like a cross between a double-decker freeway and the I-10/I-35 concurrency in San Antonio). This would allow for greater traffic flow.
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #408 on: May 04, 2021, 08:04:49 PM »

I also don't like the idea of a single crash shutting down downtown.

That would have to be one spectacular crash to shut down multiple parallel carriageways.  :spin:
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #409 on: May 04, 2021, 10:19:12 PM »

While not everyone is on board for the downtown plan, it is probably going to meet minimal opposition.
I don't like the loss of the Pierce Elevated as a transportation corridor, but this plan is a compromise with positives and negatives. Its removal is part of the comprehensive downtown plan and certain downtown interests really want it gone, so I think there's no chance of it being used for a transportation corridor, except maybe for pedestrian and bicycle.

It would be nice if the Pierce corridor could be used for managed lane connections through downtown. But I don't see that as a possibility.

While the Pierce Elevated had its pavement replaced in 1997 and still has plenty of life, it's not going to last forever. My concern is that if NNHIP does not move forward, the future of the Pierce Elevated will be need to be considered again at some point in the future. At that time in the future, the political climate could be even less favorable. For example, the anti-car/anti-road folks may have more power and demand its removal *without* a replacement and just route traffic on existing streets (or use existing IH-69 and and IH-10), similar to the effort to remove IH-345 in Dallas. So my view is that it's better to take what can be achieved now, rather than risk a much worse outcome in the future.

The problem is if the NHHIP doesn't move forward, there will still be the push to remove the Pierce Elevated. There are not a whole lot of options in dealing with the Pierce Elevated, aside from maintaining and periodic rehabilitation of the viaduct to extend its service life. I recall driving on the Pierce Elevated through downtown Houston and noticed the high-rise buildings that go right up to the edge of the viaduct (not just one or two, but lots of buildings built right up against the Pierce Elevated), thus leaving zero room for expansion.
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #410 on: May 05, 2021, 09:55:10 PM »

I also don't like the idea of a single crash shutting down downtown.

That would have to be one spectacular crash to shut down multiple parallel carriageways.  :spin:

one spectacular deliberate crash. :spin:  :banghead:
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Re: North Houston Highway Improvement Project (includes downtown rebuild)
« Reply #411 on: May 06, 2021, 02:31:07 PM »

I also don't like the idea of a single crash shutting down downtown.

That would have to be one spectacular crash to shut down multiple parallel carriageways.  :spin:

Or single gas tanker leaking from or a single semi dangling from the top flyover of the I-69/I-45 to I-10 /I-45 intersection...
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