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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2021, 09:43:07 PM »

I enjoy watching YouTube videos of driver errors.  But as an insurance professional, I also find it oddly fascinating how some folks will post videos seeking validation when their own errors may have contributed to the near misses / accidents.

And, more often than not, escalating the situation (and sometimes even taking efforts to create the situation in the first place) instead of de-escalating it. Because of course it wouldn't be very exciting or garner very many clicks to just move over and let them merge.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2021, 03:03:08 AM »

Just lay on the horn, that fixes everything.

You sound like someone who would drive slow after being honked at for being on your phone 5 seconds after the light turned green because you can't accept being notified of a stupid mistake. Cars have horns for a reason and I recently upgraded mine and it couldn't have came at a better time.

Ha, you don’t even know anything about how I drive.  But we know full well much of a douche bag behind the wheel you are.

So it's perfectly ok in your book to enter an interstate under the minimum speed and then brake when there wasn't a safe enough gap for such behavior?
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2021, 08:16:32 AM »

Just lay on the horn, that fixes everything.

You sound like someone who would drive slow after being honked at for being on your phone 5 seconds after the light turned green because you can't accept being notified of a stupid mistake. Cars have horns for a reason and I recently upgraded mine and it couldn't have came at a better time.

Ha, you don’t even know anything about how I drive.  But we know full well much of a douche bag behind the wheel you are.

So it's perfectly ok in your book to enter an interstate under the minimum speed and then brake when there wasn't a safe enough gap for such behavior?

I just made a joke based off how much you lay on the horn in videos I’ve seen and you got all butt hurt about it.  You subsequently fired back with an assumption about my driving behavior.  My body of work isn’t on display, your’s is.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2021, 08:20:24 AM »

Just lay on the horn, that fixes everything.

You sound like someone who would drive slow after being honked at for being on your phone 5 seconds after the light turned green because you can't accept being notified of a stupid mistake. Cars have horns for a reason and I recently upgraded mine and it couldn't have came at a better time.

Ha, you don’t even know anything about how I drive.  But we know full well much of a douche bag behind the wheel you are.

So it's perfectly ok in your book to enter an interstate under the minimum speed and then brake when there wasn't a safe enough gap for such behavior?

It's not an either or situation. Just because another driver was wrong doesn't make you right. Your responsibility is to reduce the probability that his driving error results in an accident, and you failed to do that by not moving over when it was safe to do so.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2021, 09:04:39 AM »

It's not an either or situation. Just because another driver was wrong doesn't make you right. Your responsibility is to reduce the probability that his driving error results in an accident, and you failed to do that by not moving over when it was safe to do so.

One of the things you learn quickly when working with auto insurance is that fault is almost never an either/or determination.

The other person making a mistake doesn't preclude the possibility that you also erred.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2021, 09:30:57 AM »

BTW, how did the court case go?
« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 08:09:17 AM by jeffandnicole »
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2021, 01:57:34 PM »


The law says that drivers merging on have to match the speed, this didn't happen.

The law says, and I quote:

At an intersection where traffic lanes are provided for merging traffic the driver of each vehicle on the converging roadways is required to adjust his vehicular speed and lateral position so as to avoid a collision with another vehicle.

Correct.  Under Illinois state law, it is not only the responsibility of the driver entering the highway to adjust his speed.  It is also the responsibility of the driver already on the highway to adjust his speed too.

If there was a close call at a merge point, then both drivers were equally to blame.

Once again, |Crash_It| demonstrates that he doesn't understand what the law actually says, while showcasing his misguided road rage.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2021, 03:23:21 PM »

I still refuse to monetize this asshole by clicking on his videos.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2021, 03:27:39 PM »

I checked GSV just to confirm, too:  No yield sign for the on-ramp.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2021, 03:32:25 PM »

I still refuse to monetize this asshole by clicking on his videos.

He claims that he doesn’t make money on them.  Considering the antagonistic ambulance chaser-style in the videos I tend to question if that is really true. 
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2021, 10:30:43 PM »

Just lay on the horn, that fixes everything.

You sound like someone who would drive slow after being honked at for being on your phone 5 seconds after the light turned green because you can't accept being notified of a stupid mistake. Cars have horns for a reason and I recently upgraded mine and it couldn't have came at a better time.

Ha, you don’t even know anything about how I drive.  But we know full well much of a douche bag behind the wheel you are.

So it's perfectly ok in your book to enter an interstate under the minimum speed and then brake when there wasn't a safe enough gap for such behavior?

It's not an either or situation. Just because another driver was wrong doesn't make you right. Your responsibility is to reduce the probability that his driving error results in an accident, and you failed to do that by not moving over when it was safe to do so.

If it was safe to do so I would've moved over but it wasn't. I avoided the accident by taking the second option which was to brake so as not to hit him. If he had just hit 55mph which in a car like a BMW is not an issue, there wouldn't have been a problem at all. Many drivers in Chicagoland actually struggle with this. I have not seen this issue as bad anywhere else I've driven
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2021, 11:57:04 PM »

This isn't the first time you've been objectively wrong.  But you're blatantly objectively wrong.  If you expect to drive with a cruise setting on an urban freeway, you don't know the first thing about driving in traffic.  If you don't know that freeway traffic has to provide a space for onramp traffic to get on, either by slowing down or moving a lane to the left, then you don't know how to drive on a freeway.  The world would probably benefit if you stopped doing both.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2021, 12:05:51 AM »

Just lay on the horn, that fixes everything.

You sound like someone who would drive slow after being honked at for being on your phone 5 seconds after the light turned green because you can't accept being notified of a stupid mistake. Cars have horns for a reason and I recently upgraded mine and it couldn't have came at a better time.

Ha, you don’t even know anything about how I drive.  But we know full well much of a douche bag behind the wheel you are.

So it's perfectly ok in your book to enter an interstate under the minimum speed and then brake when there wasn't a safe enough gap for such behavior?

It's not an either or situation. Just because another driver was wrong doesn't make you right. Your responsibility is to reduce the probability that his driving error results in an accident, and you failed to do that by not moving over when it was safe to do so.

If it was safe to do so I would've moved over but it wasn't. I avoided the accident by taking the second option which was to brake so as not to hit him. If he had just hit 55mph which in a car like a BMW is not an issue, there wouldn't have been a problem at all. Many drivers in Chicagoland actually struggle with this. I have not seen this issue as bad anywhere else I've driven
The last time I drove in Chicago which was about a month ago I was on the Ike going westbound from the circle interchange and I swear in the middle lane this lady was doing about 40 miles an hour. I passed her and it was like no reason that she was going that slow. I can't believe that people struggle to get going on a highway.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2021, 12:13:00 AM »

I almost got stuck in a 144 minute* traffic jam on I-295 North in Maine on Monday en route to Orono due to an accident... according to witnesses, a car merging from Exit 10 onto 295 North failed to yield to a semi, resulting in the driver having to brake and jackknifed consequently.

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According to Moss, witnesses at the scene said the crash happened when a car merging onto I-295 without yielding to the truck, causing Philbrick to brake and subsequently jackknife. No other vehicles were involved in the crash, Moss said.

*That number came from travel information signs I saw on the Maine Turnpike between Exit 36 and 42.

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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2021, 06:50:47 AM »

If it was safe to do so I would've moved over but it wasn't.

You keep saying that but it's not true. It was at least 6 seconds before a car appeared in the next lane. If you can't safely change lanes safely in that time frame you're a worse driver than the merger.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2021, 07:52:18 AM »

It looks as Crash It ostensibly and intentionally tried to run some people off the road. Perhaps their braking was a warning for him to back off. He did honk at them after all. Slow down or Merge to the next lane is better. It is alarming that instead of avoiding problems, people cause them for the purpose of videos.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2021, 07:59:36 AM »

Saw this on Twitter this morning and immediately thought of this thread: "How dare that pilot not see that I was driving on this road and stay out of my way!"

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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2021, 08:10:51 AM »

If anyone made it through this entire video, which only shows one thing... his misunderstanding of traffic laws... It was also noticed that he decided to pass the vehicle, then quickly merge back into the right lane clearly not giving enough distance between him and the person behind him.

I've also learned two things. He often says the other camera image that he has available isn't relevant, even though he tends to have no problem showing irrelevant portions of other videos.

And: how did that court case go?
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2021, 12:18:51 PM »

It looks as Crash It ostensibly and intentionally tried to run some people off the road.

This.

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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2021, 04:24:48 PM »

It bears to repeat my rants on this subject:  both adaptive cruise control and autonomous control have a significant safety issue related to providing safe braking distance behind another vehicle entering traffic at an on-ramp or merge point.  It appears that both systems have been intentionally designed to mimic the qualities of traditional cruise control in this manner. 

The OP does not appear to be driving at an excessive speed in this video, but I'm seeing many more cases of folks setting their cruise speed way above the speed limit.  Then in approach to an on-ramp, one of two things occurs: (A) the offending vehicle on ACC ratchets up the speed whenever other vehicles switch lanes to make room for merging traffic; or (B) the driver of and offending vehicle on ACC intentionally switches over to the right lane after other vehicles move left to make room for merging traffic.  In both cases, the ACC requests full acceleration instead of anticipating that the merging vehicle is positioned to "take the gap". 

Sometime in the early 1980s, the driverless train industry switched over to assuming full train acceleration as part of safe braking distance calculations.  The affect of full acceleration in advance of detection of the need for brake application, and then changing the rate of acceleration over to the rate of deceleration, all results in significantly longer safe braking distances.  The same concept applies here.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2021, 07:30:58 PM »

Why is this in Photos Videos, and More?

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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2021, 07:31:46 PM »

Why is this in Photos Videos, and More?

It's not a photo, but it is a video and more.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2021, 07:32:28 PM »

Why is this in Photos Videos, and More?

Because a narcissistic wants his channel to be viewed.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2021, 09:24:29 AM »

To the OP:

Think about this.  A forum of dozens of people from all over the country, of all different ages, with driving experience ranging from relatively little to very extensive, several of whom have studied the pertinent traffic laws in detail, who bring various personalities and temperaments and worldviews to the table—almost unanimously and unwaveringly describe the circumstances you capture on video and share with us as being normal, commonplace driving situations, the sort of thing a good driver should expect to see and account for;  and, as far as I can recall, have without exception described your reactions behind the wheel as the most hazardous factor in each one we've seen.

That should give you pause and prompt you to reevaluate your outlook.  This is not just a couple of guys chatting in the break room at work.  Rather, this forum is a cross-section of those most interested in roads and driving in America.  Take the opinions expressed here seriously.
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Re: Why can't people merge onto an interstate properly anymore?
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2021, 10:37:52 AM »

This isn't the first time you've been objectively wrong.  But you're blatantly objectively wrong.  If you expect to drive with a cruise setting on an urban freeway, you don't know the first thing about driving in traffic.  If you don't know that freeway traffic has to provide a space for onramp traffic to get on, either by slowing down or moving a lane to the left, then you don't know how to drive on a freeway.  The world would probably benefit if you stopped doing both.

It is the responsibility of traffic merging to match the speed and safely fit into a gap. This simply was not the case. See this article

https://www.defensivedriving.com/safe-driver-resources/how-to-merge-into-traffic/#:~:text=How%20To%20Merge%20Into%20Traffic%201%20First%2C%20identify,change%20lanes%20at%20some%20point.%20More%20items...%20

Given that, the Illinois statute that defines it as well as what this cop that I know personally says (who.. By the way is the top cop in Lake County) the BMW driver is totally at fault.

Plus, I've taken that onramp in cars that are weaker than my current one and have not had an issue with getting up to speed. There simply was no reason for that BMW to be going so slowly and then braking other than just flat out not knowing how to drive.
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