What speed limits make you think that the dots were drunk when coming up with the speed limit? I am not talking about the, this could be slightly lower/higher, this is the what the f**k were they thinking, this should way higher/lower.
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
Pretty much anything in Pennsylvania that's still 65 and not 70. Also, speed limits on surface expressways in PA are never more than 55, but US 15 from York Springs to south of Dillsburg could probably be 65, or at least 60.
Also, not every expressway that comes anywhere near a city needs to step down to 55...
Quote from: webny99 on June 01, 2017, 11:30:18 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 01, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
Also, not every expressway that comes anywhere near a city needs to step down to 55...
*cough* I-90, Erie PA (which could be 75 no problem :pan:)
There are a few roads in PA that could be 75: I-78 from 81 to Hamburg (possibly requiring minor ramp improvements), the Northeast Extension south of the Lehigh Tunnel, and the Turnpike from Mid-County to Bensalem and from Blue Mountain to Gettysburg.
I-84 in CT from Exits 25A-33 (unlit from 30-33) and 35-39A. Still 55 MPH and the stretch from 36-39 is 6 lanes and straight as an arrow.
The LIE east of Exit 40, and especially east of Exit 65. 55 MPH. Totally desolate east of Exit 65.
US 7 north of I-84 in Danbury. Still 55 despite being quite barren.
CT 25 Expressway north of the CT 8 split is 55 MPH despite being similar to portions of CT 2 and CT 9 that are 65 MPH.
Many roads in my town: 25 MPH even though they are main thoroughfares not in a neighborhood or in a school zone; one is even a state road (CT 364).
Most terrible speed limits? Probably the Illinois Tollway system around Chicagoland. Speed limit is 55-60 but everyone goes 75-85 or even 90 mph...
Or how about Indiana's lower speed limits on interstates through major metro areas such as Indianapolis or Chicagoland... Speed limit is 55 but everyone goes 60-65 or even 70 mph...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
I agree.
US301 in western Duval County has a speed limit of 60 not 65 like in neighboring Clay County.. The level of development is similar
I can understand reduced speed near Maxville and the junction of SR/CR 228.
I thought perhaps its because it is within Jacksonville city limits?
LGMS428
Any freeway with a speed limit slower than 75 mph without a good reason is too slow for me.
N.b.: the original quote said "motorway" and "120 km/h".
I-80 through Park City has a 65mph speed limit, but the same road on the other side of the mountains has a 70mph limit. It wouldn't be so bad if the Park City police weren't always watching.
VA 168 Chesapeake Expwy in SE Virginia has a 55 MPH speed limit when it should be 70
In terms of speed limit versus observed speed of traffic, there's several in my area that immediately spring to mind:
1) Marine Way/Drive in Vancouver, BC. Made famous by the "Speed Kills Your Pocketbook" video. Speed limit 50 km/h (31 mph). Most everyone goes 70 to 80.
2) Maltby Road/212 St outside Bothell, WA. Speed limit 35. It's a rural road, at best. Everyone goes 50-55 in my experience.
3) Lake Hills Connector, SE of Bellevue, WA. Speed limit 40. At worst, it's an expressway with a gigantic median. Most drivers seem to average 55-60.
US 3 from I-95 to the NH border. That it's still 55 after going from a glorified parkway to a completely interstate quality highway is baffling.
The ubiquitous (in Texas at least) country lane signed 35-40mph is STILL signed 35-40 mph after being upgraded to divided four-lane.
Quote from: SectorZ on June 02, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
US 3 from I-95 to the NH border. That it's still 55 after going from a glorified parkway to a completely interstate quality highway is baffling.
Also baffling why I-93 drops from 65 to 55 crossing from MA into NH. No change in road congestion.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 02, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on June 02, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
US 3 from I-95 to the NH border. That it's still 55 after going from a glorified parkway to a completely interstate quality highway is baffling.
Also baffling why I-93 drops from 65 to 55 crossing from MA into NH. No change in road congestion.
The electronic sign on I-93 in New Hampshire sometimes says 65, and sometimes it says 55. I haven't figured out the conditions that determine whether it's 55 or 65.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 02, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on June 02, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
US 3 from I-95 to the NH border. That it's still 55 after going from a glorified parkway to a completely interstate quality highway is baffling.
Also baffling why I-93 drops from 65 to 55 crossing from MA into NH. No change in road congestion.
That's a bit ironic since NH went back to 65 mph years before MA did.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 01, 2017, 11:15:31 PM
What speed limits make you think that the dots were drunk when coming up with the speed limit? I am not talking about the, this could be slightly lower/higher, this is the what the f**k were they thinking, this should way higher/lower.
Most all of them.
But I will admit to not being a fan of the 60 mph limit on the WV Turnpike between the Cabin Creek and Mossy toll booths.
Most of the 55 mph speed limits in metro areas are set not for purposes of "safety" but instead have to do with emissions regulations.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 02, 2017, 01:27:47 AMOr how about Indiana's lower speed limits on interstates through major metro areas such as Indianapolis or Chicagoland... Speed limit is 55 but everyone goes 60-65 or even 70 mph...
Can confirm. Got pulled over doing 65 in a 55 on I-70 in downtown Indy, where people regularly go 75-80 in the left lane. First offense? $200+ ticket.
It always bothers me when tiny little towns along 2-lane state or US highways post town limits of 30 or 35 mph. Slowing me down that much is
not going to make me remember your town any more.
Quote from: jwolfer on June 02, 2017, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
I agree.
US301 in western Duval County has a speed limit of 60 not 65 like in neighboring Clay County.. The level of development is similar
I can understand reduced speed near Maxville and the junction of SR/CR 228.
I thought perhaps its because it is within Jacksonville city limits?
LGMS428
Weren't a couple of those "reduced speed zones" found to be in annexed parcels by local towns to grab speeding tickets south of Jacksonville on US 301?
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 02, 2017, 04:14:30 AM
Any freeway with a speed limit slower than 75 mph without a good reason is too slow for me.
+1
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 02, 2017, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 02, 2017, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
I agree.
US301 in western Duval County has a speed limit of 60 not 65 like in neighboring Clay County.. The level of development is similar
I can understand reduced speed near Maxville and the junction of SR/CR 228.
I thought perhaps its because it is within Jacksonville city limits?
LGMS428
Weren't a couple of those "reduced speed zones" found to be in annexed parcels by local towns to grab speeding tickets south of Jacksonville on US 301?
301 goes through the towns of Lawtey, Starke(for now) and Waldo.. Waldo police department was disbanded several years ago... Hampton is a couple miles east of 301they extended city limits to annex a convenice store on 301, to cash in on tickets at the intersection with CR18
LGMS428
This situation is different, but it's an example of a speed limit that's challenging to follow. At the south end of I-35, going northbound the speed limit increases to 50 as traffic moves onto the freeway. A short distance later, the speed limit increases to 65, with a minimum speed of 50. In order to comply with the law, you must go by the sign at exactly 50 mph, otherwise you'd be going either too slow or too fast on one side of it.
Quote from: 1 on June 02, 2017, 02:10:07 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 02, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on June 02, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
US 3 from I-95 to the NH border. That it's still 55 after going from a glorified parkway to a completely interstate quality highway is baffling.
Also baffling why I-93 drops from 65 to 55 crossing from MA into NH. No change in road congestion.
The electronic sign on I-93 in New Hampshire sometimes says 65, and sometimes it says 55. I haven't figured out the conditions that determine whether it's 55 or 65.
I was wondering if it was construction, but there isn't any until a mile north of exit 3. So, it could at least be 65 to there and then drop where it's down to 2 lanes and an active work site. It appears to be a crap-shoot as to what the limit will be when you enter into the state. The rebuilding 93 page has no info I could find about this, either.
Quote from: jwolfer on June 02, 2017, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 02, 2017, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 02, 2017, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
I agree.
US301 in western Duval County has a speed limit of 60 not 65 like in neighboring Clay County.. The level of development is similar
I can understand reduced speed near Maxville and the junction of SR/CR 228.
I thought perhaps its because it is within Jacksonville city limits?
LGMS428
Weren't a couple of those "reduced speed zones" found to be in annexed parcels by local towns to grab speeding tickets south of Jacksonville on US 301?
301 goes through the towns of Lawtey, Starke(for now) and Waldo.. Waldo police department was disbanded several years ago... Hampton is a couple miles east of 301they extended city limits to annex a convenice store on 301, to cash in on tickets at the intersection with CR18
LGMS428
Didn't Hampton have to get rid of said annexation and dissolve the police force or face getting the city charter revoked?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 02, 2017, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 02, 2017, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 02, 2017, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 02, 2017, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
I agree.
US301 in western Duval County has a speed limit of 60 not 65 like in neighboring Clay County.. The level of development is similar
I can understand reduced speed near Maxville and the junction of SR/CR 228.
I thought perhaps its because it is within Jacksonville city limits?
LGMS428
Weren't a couple of those "reduced speed zones" found to be in annexed parcels by local towns to grab speeding tickets south of Jacksonville on US 301?
301 goes through the towns of Lawtey, Starke(for now) and Waldo.. Waldo police department was disbanded several years ago... Hampton is a couple miles east of 301they extended city limits to annex a convenice store on 301, to cash in on tickets at the intersection with CR18
LGMS428
Didn't Hampton have to get rid of said annexation and dissolve the police force or face getting the city charter revoked?
Yes.
LGMS428
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 01, 2017, 11:15:31 PM
What speed limits make you think that the dots were drunk when coming up with the speed limit? I am not talking about the, this could be slightly lower/higher, this is the what the f**k were they thinking, this should way higher/lower.
Do not blame the New Jersey Turnpike Authority (it is not their fault - instead blame the elected members of the New Jersey legislature that set the statewide maximum limit at 65), but a posted 65 MPH limit on the Turnpike (especially south of Exit 10) is beyond ridiculous. It seems to be unenforced by the New Jersey State Police, which makes it even worse, for it encourages drivers to disregard posted speed limits in general.
The posted limit on most of the Turnpike from 1 to 10 should be 75 MPH, maybe even 80 MPH.
How about any rural, straight, two-lane highway with great sight lines, large shoulders, and limited number of side entrances that is not posted at 65? Particularly those in states like Illinois that used to post them at 65 before the NMSL messed everything up.
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 01, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
Pretty much anything in Pennsylvania that's still 65 and not 70. Also, speed limits on surface expressways in PA are never more than 55, but US 15 from York Springs to south of Dillsburg could probably be 65, or at least 60.
Also, not every expressway that comes anywhere near a city needs to step down to 55...
Agreed. Case in point is US 202 between US 30 and US 422. The road is six lanes (with the exception of the construction that just started near US 30). Prevailing speed is 70 MPH and above, yet the speed limit is 55.
Nixon.
15
Quote from: GaryV on June 09, 2017, 06:07:03 AM
Nixon.
I, too, hate it when I'm stuck behind someone going Nixon miles per hour.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 09, 2017, 07:30:05 AM
Quote from: GaryV on June 09, 2017, 06:07:03 AM
Nixon.
I, too, hate it when I'm stuck behind someone going Nixon miles per hour.
I feel these images properly illustrate Nixon MPH:
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.eZvPylUKioYqoYc4CmAIKgEsEs&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300)
Worse....these $#!+ 85 MPH speedometers that used to be everywhere:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autosavant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2F1982_corvette_speedometer.jpg&hash=83b68f08fa61a6018034186ed2768740bb0b3008)
In South Carolina, I-95 between I-20 and US 52 drops from 70 to 60 (a grand total of 4 miles) for no discernable reason other than being a speed trap. There's not an obvious reason why the speed limit is lowered here, I-95 flows perfectly smooth at 70+ and no one slows down here.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
South Carolina does this too, but they mostly do this at rural signalized intersections. And when they do, the speed limit is always lowered to 45.
Quote from: PColumbus73 on June 09, 2017, 08:31:57 AM
In South Carolina, I-95 between I-20 and US 52 drops from 70 to 60 (a grand total of 4 miles) for no discernable reason other than being a speed trap. There's not an obvious reason why the speed limit is lowered here, I-95 flows perfectly smooth at 70+ and no one slows down here.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
South Carolina does this too, but they mostly do this at rural signalized intersections. And when they do, the speed limit is always lowered to 45.
States should ban towns from setting speed limits on state maintained roads.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 09, 2017, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on June 09, 2017, 08:31:57 AM
In South Carolina, I-95 between I-20 and US 52 drops from 70 to 60 (a grand total of 4 miles) for no discernable reason other than being a speed trap. There's not an obvious reason why the speed limit is lowered here, I-95 flows perfectly smooth at 70+ and no one slows down here.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
South Carolina does this too, but they mostly do this at rural signalized intersections. And when they do, the speed limit is always lowered to 45.
States should ban towns from setting speed limits on state maintained roads.
Outside New England and New York, many areas in the middle of nowhere are not even part of a town.
Quote from: GaryV on June 09, 2017, 06:07:03 AM
Nixon.
Yup. In my country the max speed limit never went below 100 km/h (62 mph) during that period.
Quote from: PColumbus73 on June 09, 2017, 08:31:57 AM
In South Carolina, I-95 between I-20 and US 52 drops from 70 to 60 (a grand total of 4 miles) for no discernable reason other than being a speed trap. There's not an obvious reason why the speed limit is lowered here, I-95 flows perfectly smooth at 70+ and no one slows down here.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
A lot of the speed limits in Florida are absurd. It isn't so much the maximum speed limits but rather the fact you get things like "55 MPH ahead" or "45 MPH ahead" at minor intersections on expressways like US 98 out in the middle of nowhere. Neighboring states like Alabama just throw out an advisory speed if anything at all. Really all it accomplishes is bogging down traffic and encouraging a slow driving populace.
South Carolina does this too, but they mostly do this at rural signalized intersections. And when they do, the speed limit is always lowered to 45.
I'm not getting the theory in how it is supposed to be safer as opposed to an advisory sign instead? Most people instinctively slow down at crossings and the people who blow through them are going to do it anyways regardless of an enforceable limit. The trouble is that 45 MPH is often way too low when 55 MPH would often suffice just fine, especially on Florida expressways.
A-30 does that near Bécancour as well. It's 100 between the at-grades, 70 approaching each one. Oddly, A-55 and A-955 don't do this.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 09, 2017, 09:05:34 AMStates should ban towns from setting speed limits on state maintained roads.
Lexington and Louisville may be special cases, but in Kentucky, the state has jurisdiction for speed limits on all state-maintained highways. Now, the state will work with municipalities with regard to lowering speed limits, but the state has the final say.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 09, 2017, 07:50:36 AM
Worse....these $#!+ 85 MPH speedometers that used to be everywhere:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autosavant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2F1982_corvette_speedometer.jpg&hash=83b68f08fa61a6018034186ed2768740bb0b3008)
And that was Carter MPH, continuing Nixon MPH.
The 60 mph truck speed limit on Michigan freeways is awful, particularly on roads like I-94 that are jammed with trucks in the left lane doing 62.5 passing other trucks in the right lane doing 62.4.
They're *slowly* fixing that on some roads, but not fast enough.
Quote from: JREwing78 on June 11, 2017, 11:18:07 PM
The 60 mph truck speed limit on Michigan freeways is awful, particularly on roads like I-94 that are jammed with trucks in the left lane doing 62.5 passing other trucks in the right lane doing 62.4.
They're *slowly* fixing that on some roads, but not fast enough.
You just reminded me of the 55 MPH limit for trucks and trailers here in California. But with that it is almost totally ignored by everyone including CHP.
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 01, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
Also, not every expressway that comes anywhere near a city needs to step down to 55...
The Blue Route portion of I-476 comes to mind. Most people do at least 70 already.
I'll also nominate the four DRPA bridges as well. Every road/bridge they control is 45 MPH two of which are Interstates (I'm counting the Ben for the sake of argument). With the exception of the Commodore Barry which ends in a big interchange with I-95 in PA and on the Jersey side goes on as a surface expressway, they should be signed for 60 MPH, IMO.
Quote from: ekt8750 on June 12, 2017, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 01, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
Also, not every expressway that comes anywhere near a city needs to step down to 55...
The Blue Route portion of I-476 comes to mind. Most people do at least 70 already.
I'll also nominate the four DRPA bridges as well. Every road/bridge they control is 45 MPH two of which are Interstates (I'm counting the Ben for the sake of argument). With the exception of the Commodore Barry which ends in a big interchange with I-95 in PA and on the Jersey side goes on as a surface expressway, they should be signed for 60 MPH, IMO.
Not only are their bridges 45 mph, but everything within their jurisdiction is 45 mph. The entire portion of I-76 from Passyunk to the bridge is 45. In NJ, they apparently took over about 1, 1.5 miles of I-676 close to the bridge. The very first thing they did was reduce the limit to 45 from the previously marked 55 mph!
Quote from: MASTERNC on June 03, 2017, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 01, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
Pretty much anything in Pennsylvania that's still 65 and not 70. Also, speed limits on surface expressways in PA are never more than 55, but US 15 from York Springs to south of Dillsburg could probably be 65, or at least 60.
Also, not every expressway that comes anywhere near a city needs to step down to 55...
Agreed. Case in point is US 202 between US 30 and US 422. The road is six lanes (with the exception of the construction that just started near US 30). Prevailing speed is 70 MPH and above, yet the speed limit is 55.
Additionally, US 30 between York and Lancaster is still 55, but PA 283 is 65 until just before Lancaster, and US 222 goes to 65 pretty quickly past US 30.
Speaking of PA, I'd also add US 322 above Lewistown and I-99/US 220 between US 322 and I-80 near Bellefonte. Those could easily be higher than 55.
US 11/15 between US 22/322 and Selinsgrove could be 60 or 65, but PennDOT won't do it with all the at-grades. Ohio and WV have roads like that with higher speed limits than 55.
I guess with Clarks Ferry PennDOT doesn't want 65 on US 22/322 between, say, PA 443 and PA 147, but 55 feels so slow there.
Nexus 6P
Quote from: Brandon on June 11, 2017, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 09, 2017, 07:50:36 AM
Worse....these $#!+ 85 MPH speedometers that used to be everywhere:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autosavant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2F1982_corvette_speedometer.jpg&hash=83b68f08fa61a6018034186ed2768740bb0b3008)
And that was Carter MPH, continuing Nixon MPH.
Actually, the first 0-85 speedometers started appearing on the '77 models; which rolled out about
2 months prior to the '76 elections.
Many freeways out east. Most states are finally coming around to 75.
The 55-mph speed limit on the Dulles Toll Road (four lanes per side) has always struck me as absurd. I usually set my cruise control at 65 mph on there. I don't pass anyone at that speed.
Legacy Parkway in Davis County, UT is a full freeway, posted at 55 mph as part of a trade off with environmentalists for building the road in the first place. And there are tons of cops who actually enforce it. 55 is way too slow, IMO. I have to set cruise control for 57 or 58, otherwise I would be going 70.
Besides the maximum 100 km/h limits on Ontario's 400-series highways, there's also the 90 km/h limit on the freeway portion of highway 7/8 between New Hamburg to Kitchener. The part west of Kitchener is a rural freeway which could easily handle 100 (should be even higher, but that would require the MTO to get over their 100 limits).
It also annoys me that city/regional roads have little rhyme or reason for their speed limits. For example, at Weber and University in Waterloo, Weber is 60, while University is 50, yet they're both equally sized arterials roads.
Quote from: 7/8 on June 12, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
Besides the maximum 100 km/h limits on Ontario's 400-series highways, there's also the 90 km/h limit on the freeway portion of highway 7/8 between New Hamburg to Kitchener. The part west of Kitchener is a rural freeway which could easily handle 100 (should be even higher, but that would require the MTO to get over their 100 limits).
Hwy 1 through Burnaby and Vancouver also has a rather low limit, despite the full-freeway nature of the road (even if the median gets rather narrow around the Ironworkers). I can't quite remember where it starts and ends, but large stretches of the freeway are 90 km/h. I swear there's even a short stretch of 80, but I can't remember where. All other urban stretches of Hwy 1 are 100, even though they have the same design standards.
Though, that speed limit along Hwy 7/8 is far more ridiculous. 90 in the middle of nowhere? That's bizarre.
I used to think that the many 25 mph zones on suburban arterials in NJ was terrible. South Plainfield comes to mind as other than I-287 that either is 55 or 65 now, and Hamilton Blvd is 35 are the only two roads with a higher than 25 limit. Oh, yes and Stelton Road, but considering it shares a border with Piscataway, it is not totally within its jurisdiction.
Than US 1 in Camden, SC with a very long 40 mph speed zone I have to say is ridiculous.
The FDR Drive in NYC with its 40 mph on a freeway.
The 55 mph on the LIE even in Suffolk County and parts of Nassau that should be 65 like on Upstate Freeways.
US 19 between the FL State Line and Thomasville, GA is only 55, considering its rural and in FL (across the line ) its 65.
I-65 and I-265 in Southern Indiana and the new I-265 extension in KY. 65 goes to 55mph the moment the freeway becomes concrete and goes to six lanes. It could easily be 65 mph until mm1. Indiana state police are aware that people drive 65-70 on it and thus have a heavy presence and love to ticket. All of 265 in Indiana and the new Kentucky section is 55mph when it should be 65. The new segment from the bridge to I-65 should be (rural area, also tolled with the bridge) and the new Kentucky section should be 65 (Bridge, tunnel, and six lane section before I-71).
Sorry for the bump but the Hightstown Bypass, NJ Route 133, is a freeway with a 50-mph speed limit. Originally opened with a 45-mph limit, it is now enshrined on Google Earth why the town wants to keep it so low:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmJmhg5J.jpg&hash=f41f4f22bec5a75c36f58409b95d8e0aaad95af7)
No mention of St. Paul's I-35E? I don't care about what's legally mandated, the 45 speed limit is ridiculous (and poorly adhered to regardless of the number of signs MnDOT wastes money on (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9154786,-93.144332,3a,75y,357.9h,92.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seo5TdaUJVcT4iwqRVXqCUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)).
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 04, 2017, 11:32:09 AM
No mention of St. Paul's I-35E? I don't care about what's legally mandated, the 45 speed limit is ridiculous (and poorly adhered to regardless of the number of signs MnDOT wastes money on (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9154786,-93.144332,3a,75y,357.9h,92.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seo5TdaUJVcT4iwqRVXqCUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)).
If that's 45 x 3 then I'll be happy doing 135 :colorful:
55 MPH and 45 MPH over the Calumet River on the Chicago Skyway seemed excessively slow given the redesign.
One that I believe has been fixed: When I-190 in MA opened in 1983, it was built with three lanes in each direction, gentle curves, a wide median, wide and banked shoulders (to keep runoff out of a nearby reservoir)...and a posted limit of 55. Needless to say, it was paradise for state troopers with empty citation books. Posting it at 70 or above would have been perfectly safe.
I'm pretty sure it's now posted at 65.
Quote from: SidS1045 on September 08, 2017, 03:18:37 PM
One that I believe has been fixed: When I-190 in MA opened in 1983, it was built with three lanes in each direction, gentle curves, a wide median, wide and banked shoulders (to keep runoff out of a nearby reservoir)...and a posted limit of 55. Needless to say, it was paradise for state troopers with empty citation books. Posting it at 70 or above would have been perfectly safe.
I'm pretty sure it's now posted at 65.
Actually, the lastest GSV doesn't show
any speed limit sign along I-190 northbound until here (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3137242,-71.8071862,3a,75y,33.78h,82.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syFnDeib6Ne2G1jwlCbC0BQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656); MM 2.2 & north of Exit 2.
Along I-190 southbound, the speed limit takes a 20 mph nosedive here (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2971289,-71.8036299,3a,75y,162.63h,94.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNWe8fzSczT7_8aQhKRb0nQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656); MM 1, south of Exit 1.
If one studied & took their driver's test in the Bay State; the
assumed speed limit of a divided highway (unless otherwise posted) is 50 mph; so such would mean the speed limit along I-190 northbound from I-290 to MM 2.2 is 50.
I-70 thru Glenwood Canyon, CO uses Variable Speed Limit signs that cap off at 45 MPH. When roads are dry (and not under construction) during daylight hours, most vehicles are doing at least 55 MPH around most of the curves.
Further west, along I-70 in Debeque Canyon, the speed limit through that less-curvy canyon was capped at 50 MPH, but CDOT finally raised it up to a more reasonable 60 MPH earlier this year.
Then you have those roads where the posted speed limit pretty much can only be met or exceeded in the overnight hours, due to daytime congestion, poorly-timed lights and left lane idiots who do 35 in a 45 because they will be turning left -- 5 miles down the road!!!!
In North Carolina, I have never seen a 2-lane highway with a limit higher than 55. There are plenty of these that could be 65 or even 70. Mostly down east, on the way to the coast. US 64, 264, 117, 158, 421, and NC 11, 211, 133 all come to mind. There are also a few up in the mountains, like NC 105 that could easily be posted at 60 since the road follows an old rail grade so its nice and straight and flat-ish.
I think we can all agree that the NMSL was the worst idea that ever happened. I realize that it was mainly for economy purposes, but still, who'd want to drive 55 on a stretch of highway that could easily handle 70 and over?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 09, 2017, 07:50:36 AM
Worse....these $#!+ 85 MPH speedometers that used to be everywhere:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autosavant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2F1982_corvette_speedometer.jpg&hash=83b68f08fa61a6018034186ed2768740bb0b3008)
A Corvette that has an 85 mph speedometer just plain violates the laws of nature.
Quote from: roadman on September 11, 2017, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 09, 2017, 07:50:36 AM
Worse....these $#!+ 85 MPH speedometers that used to be everywhere:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autosavant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2F1982_corvette_speedometer.jpg&hash=83b68f08fa61a6018034186ed2768740bb0b3008)
A Corvette that has an 85 mph speedometer just plain violates the laws of nature.
Thankfully they didn't last, I don't know how anyone really that was going to keep anyone from going over the 55 MPH speed limit. We probably got lucky that 60-65 MPH speedos get mandated.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 11, 2017, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 11, 2017, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 09, 2017, 07:50:36 AM
Worse....these $#!+ 85 MPH speedometers that used to be everywhere:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autosavant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2F1982_corvette_speedometer.jpg&hash=83b68f08fa61a6018034186ed2768740bb0b3008)
A Corvette that has an 85 mph speedometer just plain violates the laws of nature.
Thankfully they didn't last, I don't know how anyone really that was going to keep anyone from going over the 55 MPH speed limit. We probably got lucky that 60-65 MPH speedos speed limits get mandated were allowed again.
FTFY
The above created a (short-term) market for aftermarket higher-calibrated speedometers.
I'm sure many of the original 0-85 speedometers on the early 3rd generation Camaros ('82-'85(?)) were swapped out.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcarphotos.cardomain.com%2Fride_images%2F3%2F3246%2F4881%2F33114940026_original.jpg&hash=c87c94ac6f2597389718eb6ee0f1ed8f71047c07)
Quote from: US 81 on June 02, 2017, 02:02:48 PM
The ubiquitous (in Texas at least) country lane signed 35-40mph is STILL signed 35-40 mph after being upgraded to divided four-lane.
A lot of time two lane roads will be 55 and then break out into four and become 50 (with the obligatory speed trap of course). Ridiculous.
Why is almost every surface street in Duluth, MN 35 MPH? I was just there on a recent vacation and it was one of the most obnoxious things ever to drive on when 45-50 was more reasonable.
Many roads that cross the state line from Texas to Louisiana.
TX LA
70/75 - 55
I-55 south of Memphis wound up with decreasing speed limits to the Mississippi border, getting as low as 45 MPH. Once into the Magnolia State the freeway was up to 70 MPH. Tennessee's highway patrol units were along this stretch, thick as fleas. This was back in 1996. Whether it is still the same today is something I do not know. Maybe someone here can let us know if the Mother Of All Speedtraps is still causing trouble.
Rick
Quote from: Ingsoc75 on September 23, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
Many roads that cross the state line from Texas to Louisiana.
TX LA
70/75 - 55
Texas should probably lower speed limits in east Texas to match.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 23, 2017, 11:48:43 PM
Quote from: Ingsoc75 on September 23, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
Many roads that cross the state line from Texas to Louisiana.
TX LA
70/75 - 55
Texas should probably lower speed limits in east Texas to match.
Why wouldn't Louisiana just raise their speed limits to match Texas or get close to it? Slower isn't necessarily better, just look at how states like Oregon operate.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 23, 2017, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 23, 2017, 11:48:43 PM
Quote from: Ingsoc75 on September 23, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
Many roads that cross the state line from Texas to Louisiana.
TX LA
70/75 - 55
Texas should probably lower speed limits in east Texas to match.
Why wouldn't Louisiana just raise their speed limits to match Texas or get close to it? Slower isn't necessarily better, just look at how states like Oregon operate.
I think the easy answer is, most states don't post two-lane roads at 70 or 75, therefore Texas is an outlier, and should change to be more in-line. However, I think Texas has it right, so I would agree that other states should follow them, rather than the other way around.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 01, 2017, 11:15:31 PM
What speed limits make you think that the dots were drunk when coming up with the speed limit? I am not talking about the, this could be slightly lower/higher, this is the what the f**k were they thinking, this should way higher/lower.
There is a small section of CASR-58 just south and east of Mojave. It was, briefly put up to the 70MPH state maximum, but it was discovered, despite being designated as "Freeway" in the land rights book was not actually freeway on the ground and was dropped back down to 65MPH.
Lots of them around here, including Spencer St (https://goo.gl/maps/ydWRhe31bLk) in Appleton/Grand Chute. 2 lane arterial with traffic counts in the mid to upper 4 figures, passes through medium density mixed-use neighborhoods. The speed limit? 25. Nobody follows that; most people do somewhere between 27 and 32, and if the speed limit was 30 or 35 (as several other similar roads are), people would probably go that speed.
Some more stupid 25's in this wonderfully messed up metropolis:
WI 47 and 9th St in Menasha. (https://goo.gl/maps/9GKcEqG5gCJ2)The speed limit drops to 25 a block BEFORE the traffic light, which begins a denser residential area, and to further complicate things, there's a 35 sign only a block or two before this and no reduced speed sign. Nobody is going 25 or slower when they rach this sign, guaranteed.
Kensington Dr (https://goo.gl/maps/7GpAF4pxKa62) on the south side of Appleton. Currently wide open, with a medium-density residential area a FEW BLOCKS ahead. It's hard NOT to go 35, as I'm sure everyone would if it weren't for the (still universally disobeyed, often by 5+ mph) 25 sign there.
County N (https://goo.gl/maps/WBUqMADPFpJ2) in Kimberly. This is a 4 lane road in a pretty light business district and going over a bridge several blocks long over the Fox River, but the speed limit is still an impossible 25. Even 30 feels rather slow.
In Guelph:
Speedvale Ave between CR 32 and Elmira Rd is 60 km/h despite the fact that this segment is still undeveloped and has good shoulders. It should drop to 60 east of Elmira (or even be 70 in the city...)
https://goo.gl/maps/an7WrgQgDgL2 (https://goo.gl/maps/an7WrgQgDgL2)
In Cambridge:
Middle Block Rd between Fountain St (RR 17) and Speedsville Rd is 50 km/h, despite being a rural road with only a few houses. I suspect the homeowners complained about increased through-traffic since the Fairway Rd bridge opened.
https://goo.gl/maps/S5ecYwPMPB72 (https://goo.gl/maps/S5ecYwPMPB72)
In the Township of Woolwich:
There are two curves on Chilligo Rd between Lerch Rd and Woolwich-Guelph Townline. Both are signed as recommended 40 km/h, but one you can safely do 70, while the other truly requires you to go 40. If you're heading north and you're unfamiliar with the road, the first curve could give you a false impression of how slow to take the second curve.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 12, 2017, 08:10:35 PM
Why is almost every surface street in Duluth, MN 35 MPH? I was just there on a recent vacation and it was one of the most obnoxious things ever to drive on when 45-50 was more reasonable.
Sounds a lot like Spokane, Washington.
Also, I'm surprised no one's mentioned any of the small towns and ghost towns in Nevada that have absurdly long 25 zones. Just drove US-95 from Fallon to Las Vegas the other day, and a few of those really seemed torturous--the east end of Tonopah, in particular. The 45 through Indian Springs also deserves a mention.
Also, the remnants of Oregon's Nixon (Kitzhaber) belong on the list (though the legislature and Gov. Brown finally forced his leftover ODiOTs into fixing some spots), as well as pretty much any city that's gung ho on the Vi$ion Zero bandwagon.
Quote from: Tarkus on September 25, 2017, 04:16:14 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 12, 2017, 08:10:35 PM
Why is almost every surface street in Duluth, MN 35 MPH? I was just there on a recent vacation and it was one of the most obnoxious things ever to drive on when 45-50 was more reasonable.
Sounds a lot like Spokane, Washington.
Also, I'm surprised no one's mentioned any of the small towns and ghost towns in Nevada that have absurdly long 25 zones. Just drove US-95 from Fallon to Las Vegas the other day, and a few of those really seemed torturous--the east end of Tonopah, in particular. The 45 through Indian Springs also deserves a mention.
Also, the remnants of Oregon's Nixon (Kitzhaber) belong on the list (though the legislature and Gov. Brown finally forced his leftover ODiOTs into fixing some spots), as well as pretty much any city that's gung ho on the Vi$ion Zero bandwagon.
Reminded me of the long 45 zone in Hiko, NV on NV-318. 55 or 60 would have been just fine. But I can't rag on Nevada too much, with their widespread 70 MPH zones on 2 laners, 75 (do they post 80 now?) on interstates, and a decent 65 on urban freeways. I'll take awkwardly long or slow speed zones in small towns and 70 MPH in between over more reasonable in town limits and 55 in between.
Oh, and speaking of Oregon, US-97 through Bend, what the hell. Just post it at 55 already, nobody goes 45 (I would know, I lived there for 6+ years).
ANYWHERE where a school zone drops more than 20 MPH off the regular speed limit. Going from 55 to 20 is a bit harsh.
And while we are at it, any school zones that are not near the actual school. There are a few in my town where the school zone is on a main street where the school property line does NOT even border said street. Most people pick up their kids nowadays if they are not bused, so a school zone on a street where no school is just for the handful of kids that might walk along the sidewalks there is overkill and more of a ticket profit zone.
Quote from: Tarkus on September 25, 2017, 04:16:14 AM
Also, I'm surprised no one's mentioned any of the small towns and ghost towns in Nevada that have absurdly long 25 zones. Just drove US-95 from Fallon to Las Vegas the other day, and a few of those really seemed torturous--the east end of Tonopah, in particular. The 45 through Indian Springs also deserves a mention.
Maybe that's why people want I-11 to go to Reno even though it would pass through the middle of nowhere.
Quote from: Tarkus on September 25, 2017, 04:16:14 AM
Also, I'm surprised no one's mentioned any of the small towns and ghost towns in Nevada that have absurdly long 25 zones. Just drove US-95 from Fallon to Las Vegas the other day, and a few of those really seemed torturous--the east end of Tonopah, in particular. The 45 through Indian Springs also deserves a mention.
No real "ghost towns" on US 95 though, but plenty of small towns. Having done this drive multiple times, I get more annoyed by the speed limit inconsistencies when going through small towns. IIRC, many of the more northern towns along US 95 have 35mph speed limits (Hawthorne?) even when the road is only two lanes through town (Schurz, Luning, Mina). However, towns in the south have 25 mph speed limits, even if the road is four lanes through town (Tonopah, Beatty). I don't know if it's a population thing, or if it's a district (NDOT D2 in the north, D1 in the south).
Also, that 45 with Indian Springs is somewhat justifiable to bring down speed for pedestrians that may cross the divided highway in town. But ever since Creech AFB moved their main gate, that 45 stretch south of the built up town area down past the AFB gate has gotten super annoying.
Quote from: thenetwork on September 25, 2017, 07:21:02 PM
ANYWHERE where a school zone drops more than 20 MPH off the regular speed limit. Going from 55 to 20 is a bit harsh.
And while we are at it, any school zones that are not near the actual school. There are a few in my town where the school zone is on a main street where the school property line does NOT even border said street. Most people pick up their kids nowadays if they are not bused, so a school zone on a street where no school is just for the handful of kids that might walk along the sidewalks there is overkill and more of a ticket profit zone.
Nevada law differentiates "School Zone" adjacent to the school as a 15mph zone, versus a "School Crossing Zone" not adjacent to a school and along crossing areas as 25mph zones.
The Las Vegas area has really gone to using "when flashing" beacons where feasible, instead of using posted times. Especially along arterial roads next to high schools and some middle schools, the beacons are turned off when students are in class. Some high schools, school zones adjacent to campus just use "when children are present". Many Vegas-area school crossing zones are also moving to "when children are present" instead of using specific times.
What really bugs me is many Reno-area school crossing zones are posted as 15mph, even though they are not adjacent to the school and should be marked as 25mph.
That 25 zone for the Mid-Hudson Bridge. Trying to drive the speed limit there is PAINFUL (and you can take my word for it that the cruise control of a NYSDOT-owned Ford Focus compact sedan does NOT work at 25!) and makes you liable to get run over. I can make this one of many, many reasons I am glad that I don't live in Poughkeepsie.
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3246322,-88.1611279,3a,75y,294.42h,81.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swyfalAB_ryoc9V8OdueyQA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) bridge, which carries WI 96 over the Fox River in Wrightstown, WI, is 0.39 miles long and has one crosswalk along it, yet the speed limit is only 25 mph. EVERYONE speeds, and even 30 feels like a crawl.
I just thought of a sub-category that fits here: places where higher and lower speed limits are reversed from what seems to be appropriate. FM 917 near Mansfield, Texas has two examples. The road generally has a speed limit of 60 with curves, narrow shoulders, and frequent intersecting roads and drives. One stretch around Lillian has wide shoulders, gentle curvature, and a left turn lane and has almost no development, and the speed limit is reduced to 50 over that stretch. (There is a highway intersection, but another highway intersection nearby is much more hazardous with narrow shoulders and a curve adjacent and is located where the limit is 60.) At the edge of Mansfield, the road has four-lanes and is divided, and only one road and two drives intersect over that 1.4 mile stretch, and the speed limit is reduced to 55. It isn't uncommon to see drivers speed up upon reaching that section.
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
I'd want it to be 45, but in my area, it would probably be 35 or 40 (although very few roads 'round here have medians, so maybe 45).
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
40-45, maybe 50.
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
25 :)
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 13, 2017, 09:30:41 PM
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
25 :)
Good god. Kaukauna that poor?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 13, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 13, 2017, 09:30:41 PM
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
25 :)
Good god. Kaukauna that poor?
I just know Wisconsin a bit too well.
Nice. Seems like the definition of a speed trap. Big road with median in any other country might qualify as dual carriageway. The default speed limit for that road in the UK would be 70!
Although, looking around, it looks like the median is short-lived. So it might not qualify as a dual carriageway.
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
I would hope it’s 45 (or maybe even 50), as that seems to be the general speed of traffic on that type of road. Unfortunately, most cities usually post these at 40 or 35, and some especially revenue-hungry cities might post it at 30.
Edit: holy crap, it’s 25. There’s a sign if you turn around on the GSV. I guarantee that there is virtually 0% compliance.
I-5 between Wilsonville and Keizer and between Albany and Coburg need to be 75.
I-5 north of the Terwilliger Curves should be 55 until just past Exit 302B and 65 north of there to the Interstate Bridges.
I-405 should be 60.
I-205 needs to be 65 through West Linn, taking away the speed trap they've had for years when the speed drops from 65 to 55 just outside town. The Abernethy Bridge will be at 55 for safety due to the merges, but if it ever got rebuilt it would likely be to a higher speed standard. 65 from Oregon City to the Glenn Jackson Bridge.
Inbound on the Sunset (east on US-26 west of Portland) should probably stay 50 east of Sylvan, since it goes through a canyon with poor line-of-sight, sharp curves and a tunnel. Outbound, however, is uphill, so it could probably be 55; also, the westbound lanes aren't as close to the canyon due to a slight realignment around 1970. However, since they fixed the merge at OR-217 and Cedar Hills, there is absolutely no reason the Sunset west of Sylvan can't be 65, especially now that it's going to be 3 lanes out to Cornelius Pass Road.
OR-217 could be 60 most of the way.
I-84 from I-205 to Troutdale was raised to 60 MPH a few years ago. There's no reason it can't be 65.
A big one locally is University Ave in Windsor Heights. It's a four lane road posted at 25, and it's 100 percent a revenue thing. The city even installed controversial speed cameras on it recently.
Quote from: roadguy2 on November 16, 2017, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
I would hope it's 45 (or maybe even 50), as that seems to be the general speed of traffic on that type of road. Unfortunately, most cities usually post these at 40 or 35, and some especially revenue-hungry cities might post it at 30.
Edit: holy crap, it's 25. There's a sign if you turn around on the GSV. I guarantee that there is virtually 0% compliance.
That would be correct. Even 32 (still well above the speed limit) feels extremely slow, and that's why I try to avoid that section of road altogether. I personally would make it 45 also; as it stands, this seems to be nothing more than a money grab, and a pretty pathetic one at that.
Quote from: 20160805 on November 16, 2017, 06:51:50 AM
Quote from: roadguy2 on November 16, 2017, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
I would hope it's 45 (or maybe even 50), as that seems to be the general speed of traffic on that type of road. Unfortunately, most cities usually post these at 40 or 35, and some especially revenue-hungry cities might post it at 30.
Edit: holy crap, it's 25. There's a sign if you turn around on the GSV. I guarantee that there is virtually 0% compliance.
That would be correct. Even 32 (still well above the speed limit) feels extremely slow, and that's why I try to avoid that section of road altogether. I personally would make it 45 also; as it stands, this seems to be nothing more than a money grab, and a pretty pathetic one at that.
Are there any objective standards that must apply when deciding the appropriate speed for a road? Small towns should have no right to set the speed at whatever they want in order to make money off tickets. Objective standards like width of lanes, hills, curves, and the concentration of businesses, homes, etc. should be the only critical factors.
In my view, any road with driving lanes that are narrower than 10 feet should be 25. Single lanes (in each direction) should be minimum 30 and two or more lanes should be minimum 35. If the use of the street, as is here, is more auto-oriented (gas stations, strip malls) than pedestrian oriented (homes or offices), then that would merit an additional 5 mph. So this street should be 40, not 25.
Quote from: 20160805 on November 16, 2017, 06:51:50 AM
Quote from: roadguy2 on November 16, 2017, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: 20160805 on November 13, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Let's play a little game here: what would you guess the speed limit is on this (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.261674,-88.2739213,3a,75y,187.56h,74.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skKd5L64gyOVVl97HkQGXwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) 4-lane boulevard in Kaukauna, WI?
I would hope it's 45 (or maybe even 50), as that seems to be the general speed of traffic on that type of road. Unfortunately, most cities usually post these at 40 or 35, and some especially revenue-hungry cities might post it at 30.
Edit: holy crap, it's 25. There's a sign if you turn around on the GSV. I guarantee that there is virtually 0% compliance.
That would be correct. Even 32 (still well above the speed limit) feels extremely slow, and that's why I try to avoid that section of road altogether. I personally would make it 45 also; as it stands, this seems to be nothing more than a money grab, and a pretty pathetic one at that.
Most streets in my area have speed limits higher then that, even 2 lane roads in densely populated areas.
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 17, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
How fast do they go?
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 17, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
The people making excuses for the existence of it is so sad and tired.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 17, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 17, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
How fast do they go?
Google was going 32: https://goo.gl/gnmvnk
Quote from: SectorZ on November 17, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 17, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
The people making excuses for the existence of it is so sad and tired.
Someone used an excuse that there is a lot of children around.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 17, 2017, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 17, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 17, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
How fast do they go?
Google was going 32: https://goo.gl/gnmvnk
On that note, I caught Google speeding in Menasha, WI: 27 in a 25 in a residential zone (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1239+Bluegrass+Ln,+Menasha,+WI+54952/@44.2232486,-88.3878729,3a,15y,182.93h,88.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6Mnh1PPTb65DDWlFNzIBCw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8803ba11662fe9c3:0x6dabb4f4dd06a37a!8m2!3d44.2237088!4d-88.3876228)
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 17, 2017, 09:51:29 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on November 17, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 17, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
The people making excuses for the existence of it is so sad and tired.
Someone used an excuse that there is a lot of children around.
At least they mostly gave warnings.
Quote from: 20160805 on November 18, 2017, 07:39:46 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 17, 2017, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 17, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 17, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
Police never pull you over for going 1 over the speed limit.
How fast do they go?
Google was going 32: https://goo.gl/gnmvnk
On that note, I caught Google speeding in Menasha, WI: 27 in a 25 in a residential zone (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1239+Bluegrass+Ln,+Menasha,+WI+54952/@44.2232486,-88.3878729,3a,15y,182.93h,88.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6Mnh1PPTb65DDWlFNzIBCw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8803ba11662fe9c3:0x6dabb4f4dd06a37a!8m2!3d44.2237088!4d-88.3876228)
Quote from: nexus73 on September 23, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
I-55 south of Memphis wound up with decreasing speed limits to the Mississippi border, getting as low as 45 MPH. Once into the Magnolia State the freeway was up to 70 MPH. Tennessee's highway patrol units were along this stretch, thick as fleas. This was back in 1996. Whether it is still the same today is something I do not know. Maybe someone here can let us know if the Mother Of All Speedtraps is still causing trouble.
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That section of I-55 is mostly posted at 65 mph now until about milepost 5 where it drops to 55. So a bit more reasonable. I don't remember it ever being 45 except during the widening project in the 1990s that also added the rather pointless HOV lanes.
However there was a period when the MS side was posted at 60 mph, although the speed limit was raised back to 70 sometime after road was widened to four through lanes + an auxillary lane each way.
Quote from: 20160805 on November 18, 2017, 07:39:46 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 17, 2017, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 17, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 17, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
This is just mean: https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755 (https://www.facebook.com/spearfishpd/posts/721018901425755)
As a lifelong Spearfish resident, nobody goes 25 on this stretch.
How fast do they go?
Google was going 32: https://goo.gl/gnmvnk
On that note, I caught Google speeding in Menasha, WI: 27 in a 25 in a residential zone (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1239+Bluegrass+Ln,+Menasha,+WI+54952/@44.2232486,-88.3878729,3a,15y,182.93h,88.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6Mnh1PPTb65DDWlFNzIBCw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8803ba11662fe9c3:0x6dabb4f4dd06a37a!8m2!3d44.2237088!4d-88.3876228)
Thats well within the margin of error of those signs. I know when they stick those signs on both sides of the highway in construction zones and I'm the only one on the road at night, one side will frequently read 65 while the other reads 68, for example.
Similar to the earlier Wisconsin example: US 2 through Ashland, WI is a four-lane boulevard + centre turn lane with a speed limit of 25 mph (40 km/h) :pan:
(https://i.imgur.com/hfpEcCcl.jpg)
Quote from: 7/8 on November 19, 2017, 12:00:49 AM
Similar to the earlier Wisconsin example: US 2 through Ashland, WI is a four-lane boulevard + centre turn lane with a speed limit of 25 mph (40 km/h) :pan:
(https://i.imgur.com/hfpEcCcl.jpg)
I could actually see this being 30, but 25 is a bit pushing it.
99W in Sherwood. All of it but specifically the western section. Divided, 4 lanes, not many intersections, and all intersections are either signalized or RIRO and this roadway posted at 45mph. Not to mention 60 mph isn't uncommon on this stretch. There has never been an engineering study on this stretch of the roadway but if it were to occur, the 85% would be in the mid to upper 50s, suggesting a 55mph speed limit: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.3597145,-122.8584944,3a,75y,210.82h,79.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdlpDEYDVF-fDWzAcjd8vdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
In comparison, Brookwood Parkway has similar conditions and is posted at 55 mph. Tualatin Sherwood Road is 3 lanes (one each way and a center) with many cross traffic intersections and it is posted at 45 mph as well (should stay at 45 though).
Edit: Other Oregon stretches that desperately needs to be raised:
Urban-non interstates:
OR 18 in McMinnville: should be 55 but the western section is 45. The signal excuse doesn't work due to the fact that there is a signal just east of the increase to 55.
2 laners in the Willamette Valley (all currently 55 and I see 65-70 often):
OR 99W/E
OR 18 east of Grande Ronde
OR 22 between OR 18 and OR 223
OR 213
Other 2 laners:
OR 11
US 730
OR 39
US 97 north of US 197
Almost all 4 laners: 65
Urban exempt but please count US 26 as rural west of Bethany Blvd (MP 66).
Interstates:
All interstates in Oregon: 70 minimum (I'd prefer 80 though), with exceptions on Cabbage Hill and Siskiyou Pass.
Urban:
Salem/Medford/Wilsonville/I-205 west of Oregon City/I-84 east of I-205The Dalles/Roseburg (ODOT buckled so this isn't changing for a while in Roseburg): 65
Other urban freeways: 60 (I prefer both numbers to be 70 and 75 respectively, but I'm trying to be reasonable) with exceptions:
OR 217: 55
I-5 Terwilliger curves: 55
I-5 Downtown Portland: 45-55
I-5 Interstate Bridge: 55
I-405 south of US 30: 45-55
US 26 east of OR 8: 50-55
Still, nothing bothers me more than the Sherwood stretch.
This past Monday, the Town of Wakefield (MA) just posted the section of Albion Street - one of the Town's major east-west streets - between Mountain Ave and Gould Street as a 20 mph school zone, effective Monday - Friday (per the tab on the sign), and re-signed all the intermediate crosswalks as school crossings. The school this is intended to benefit isn't even on Albion Street, but on a dead-end side street about a block away. Not to mention that the intersection of Albion and Broadway, which is in the middle of the new school zone, is fully signalized with crosswalks and an exclusive ped phase.
At least the Town hasn't yet implemented the town-wide '25 mph unless otherwise posted' nonsense the State Legislature foolishly enacted into law last year.
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Predictably, 60 is the lowest I've seen anyone go, and in Knoxville, at least, the police hardly enforce the limits.
Quote from: roadman on February 01, 2018, 09:21:06 AMAt least the Town hasn't yet implemented the town-wide '25 mph unless otherwise posted' nonsense the State Legislature foolishly enacted into law last year.
Mine has, just as soon as they can post signs at the town's borders. I'm betting the posting of the signs will be followed shortly by the purchase of police radar.
No, we don't need no steenkin' traffic engineering...or, for that matter, facts.
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Sounds like pre-2004 Oregon. Or Washington although the number is 60 instead of 55.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on February 04, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Sounds like pre-2004 Oregon. Or Washington although the number is 60 instead of 55.
Indeed. Although it sounds like most states. Urban limits are quite common across the US. Some don't seem to use them as often, such as Michigan, but most definitely do. At least in my experience.
Quote from: SidS1045 on February 03, 2018, 09:47:57 PM
Quote from: roadman on February 01, 2018, 09:21:06 AMAt least the Town hasn't yet implemented the town-wide '25 mph unless otherwise posted' nonsense the State Legislature foolishly enacted into law last year.
Mine has, just as soon as they can post signs at the town’s borders. I’m betting the posting of the signs will be followed shortly by the purchase of police radar.
No, we don’t need no steenkin’ traffic engineering...or, for that matter, facts.
What, your town's police force doesn't already have radar?
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/cambridge-to-lower-speed-limit-in-citys-squares/696615616
This can fall into the "most terrible" category.
I thought you were supposed to do speed surveys but Cambridge gets to just make stuff up all the time, so why not here, too.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 05, 2018, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on February 04, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Sounds like pre-2004 Oregon. Or Washington although the number is 60 instead of 55.
Indeed. Although it sounds like most states. Urban limits are quite common across the US. Some don't seem to use them as often, such as Michigan, but most definitely do. At least in my experience.
Most of Michigan has a 70 mph speed limit on the Interstate's in the bigger cities and as low as 55 like along I-94 and I-75 in Detroit. I remember I-675 in Saginaw use to have a 55 mph speed limit in the city of Saginaw and 70 elsewhere but the whole route is now 70 mph. Now Michigan has a 75 mph speed limit in certain areas.
25 mph in South Plainfield, NJ. Even on Park Avenue which should be 40 or 45 as its a major two lane arterial, its ridiculously low. Considering once Park Avenue enters Downtown Plainfield the speed increases by 5 mph and is 30 mph in the urban business district.
Then Florida with its 20 mph school zones. Even NJ lets you do 25 mph through a school zone.
What about 45 mph on the Pulaski Skyway on a road the cops cannot enforce it. Might as well make it 55 so many can do the 70 they do already (that is when its not under construction of course).
Then here in Florida, the fact we do not have it 75 on rural stretches of the Florida Turnpike and Alligator Alley thanks to Dick Scott vetoing the bill to increase the statewide freeway max.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 08, 2018, 06:31:39 PM
Then Florida with its 20 mph school zones. Even NJ lets you do 25 mph through a school zone.
Florida is better than parts of Tennessee and Wisconsin which have 15 mph school zones.
Actually we have some that are 15. I have seen even 10 mph someplace, but for the most part they are 20.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 08, 2018, 05:29:23 PM
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/cambridge-to-lower-speed-limit-in-citys-squares/696615616
This can fall into the "most terrible" category.
I thought you were supposed to do speed surveys but Cambridge gets to just make stuff up all the time, so why not here, too.
I think the extent of most surveys now is "will an impact at 20 kill fewer than at 25?" with the answer being "yes". They don't seem to take into account the speed that most drivers do.
For what it's worth, I'm fine with a 20 limit on residential roads (the new residential limit). Many here in Seattle are single lane (bi-directional) with parking on both sides, so more than 20 feels pretty fast. The arterial limit is now 25 (formerly 25 and 30, respectively). The arterial limit can feel pretty slow sometimes. SPD doesn't enforce the limits much either, since the arterial limit is almost universally ignored.
Plus I think MA just passed a law recently allowing cities to bypass such restrictions.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 08, 2018, 05:29:23 PM
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/cambridge-to-lower-speed-limit-in-citys-squares/696615616
This can fall into the "most terrible" category.
I thought you were supposed to do speed surveys but Cambridge gets to just make stuff up all the time, so why not here, too.
Any speed limit reduction that's based on the "slower is always better" myth without any supporting studies to justify it, especially if it's unreasonably slow for drivers to reasonably maintain, by default is always "most terrible." I really wish that, one of these days, a smart lawyer would challenge some of this nonsense.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 08, 2018, 06:26:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 05, 2018, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on February 04, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Sounds like pre-2004 Oregon. Or Washington although the number is 60 instead of 55.
Indeed. Although it sounds like most states. Urban limits are quite common across the US. Some don't seem to use them as often, such as Michigan, but most definitely do. At least in my experience.
Most of Michigan has a 70 mph speed limit on the Interstate's in the bigger cities and as low as 55 like along I-94 and I-75 in Detroit. I remember I-675 in Saginaw use to have a 55 mph speed limit in the city of Saginaw and 70 elsewhere but the whole route is now 70 mph. Now Michigan has a 75 mph speed limit in certain areas.
I-75 north of I-94 in the City of Detroit is 70. Also, most (if not all) of I-96 in Detroit is 70. However, the Southfield, Davison, and part of the Lodge are 55.
A portion of I-196 in Grand Rapids is 65, however, there is a nasty curve between the Lake Michigan Dr and Lane Ave exits.
M-231 should have been 65 the day it opened. Thankfully, it is 65 now!
Here are some other two-lane roads in MI that should be 65 (outside of built-up areas):
M-20 from New Era to Stanwood
M-45 west of Allendale
M-50 from M-43 to Charlotte
M-52 from Webberville to Stockbridge
M-55 from Lake City to Houghton Lake and West Branch to Tawas
Almost all of M-113
M-115 from Benzonia to Farwell
US-131 from the northern end of the freeway to Kalkaska.
Also, many two-lane roads in Washtenaw County are 40 to 50 when they could easily be 55. The only 55mph (non-state highway) road in eastern Washtenaw County that I can think of right now is Wiard Rd.
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Predictably, 60 is the lowest I've seen anyone go, and in Knoxville, at least, the police hardly enforce the limits.
Knoxville is what I first thought of when I saw this thread. Not sure which is more annoying, I-75 dropping down to 55 way to early when approaching Knoxville from the north, most of the 8 lane I-75/40 concurrency being 55, or I-75 staying at 65 for an extra 10 miles or so after it leaves I-40 when it should obviously jump back up to 70 immediately after the split.
Quote from: Buck87 on February 19, 2018, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Predictably, 60 is the lowest I've seen anyone go, and in Knoxville, at least, the police hardly enforce the limits.
Knoxville is what I first thought of when I saw this thread. Not sure which is more annoying, I-75 dropping down to 55 way to early when approaching Knoxville from the north, most of the 8 lane I-75/40 concurrency being 55, or I-75 staying at 65 for an extra 10 miles or so after it leaves I-40 when it should obviously jump back up to 70 immediately after the split.
Is all of them an option? :bigass:
Said it before and I'll say it again:
I-90 Thru PA: Nearly half of the stretch is 55, even though I-90 barely kisses the city of Erie.
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Quote from: Buck87 on February 19, 2018, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Predictably, 60 is the lowest I've seen anyone go, and in Knoxville, at least, the police hardly enforce the limits.
Knoxville is what I first thought of when I saw this thread. Not sure which is more annoying, I-75 dropping down to 55 way to early when approaching Knoxville from the north, most of the 8 lane I-75/40 concurrency being 55, or I-75 staying at 65 for an extra 10 miles or so after it leaves I-40 when it should obviously jump back up to 70 immediately after the split.
Yes! I just took a trip to eastern Tennessee and felt the 55 mph urban speed limits were too slow. The 8 lane sections of I-75 in Chattanooga seemed crazy to only go 55.
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Quote from: Revive 755 on February 08, 2018, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 08, 2018, 06:31:39 PM
Then Florida with its 20 mph school zones. Even NJ lets you do 25 mph through a school zone.
Florida is better than parts of Tennessee and Wisconsin which have 15 mph school zones.
Eh, Florida is entirely random on school zones, I know I've driven through some rural small towns that set the school speed limit to 15mph. I've also been through some that have it set to 45mph. It seems entirely based on what the city wants, no rhyme or reason for school zone speed limits here.
Quote from: ftballfan on February 19, 2018, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 08, 2018, 06:26:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 05, 2018, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on February 04, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Tennessee makes it where any interstate getting close to a city must slow to 55. This makes it where you have 6 or 8 lane roads in the suburbs with no exits for miles being forced down to city speed limits.
Sounds like pre-2004 Oregon. Or Washington although the number is 60 instead of 55.
Indeed. Although it sounds like most states. Urban limits are quite common across the US. Some don't seem to use them as often, such as Michigan, but most definitely do. At least in my experience.
Most of Michigan has a 70 mph speed limit on the Interstate's in the bigger cities and as low as 55 like along I-94 and I-75 in Detroit. I remember I-675 in Saginaw use to have a 55 mph speed limit in the city of Saginaw and 70 elsewhere but the whole route is now 70 mph. Now Michigan has a 75 mph speed limit in certain areas.
I-75 north of I-94 in the City of Detroit is 70. Also, most (if not all) of I-96 in Detroit is 70. However, the Southfield, Davison, and part of the Lodge are 55.
A portion of I-196 in Grand Rapids is 65, however, there is a nasty curve between the Lake Michigan Dr and Lane Ave exits.
M-231 should have been 65 the day it opened. Thankfully, it is 65 now!
Here are some other two-lane roads in MI that should be 65 (outside of built-up areas):
M-20 from New Era to Stanwood
M-45 west of Allendale
M-50 from M-43 to Charlotte
M-52 from Webberville to Stockbridge
M-55 from Lake City to Houghton Lake and West Branch to Tawas
Almost all of M-113
M-115 from Benzonia to Farwell
US-131 from the northern end of the freeway to Kalkaska.
Also, many two-lane roads in Washtenaw County are 40 to 50 when they could easily be 55. The only 55mph (non-state highway) road in eastern Washtenaw County that I can think of right now is Wiard Rd.
Yeah that too use to be a 55 zone until it got raised to 70. South of I-94 I guess 55 makes sense considering there's more traffic merging in that stretch. The best freeway in Detroit is I-96 though that Express-Local configuration is so overdone that you almost never have any problems there.
I was coming home from cruising out by Mt. Pleasant the other day and was doing 65 mph on M-20 between Mt. Pleasant and Midland and it seemed like that should be the speed limit on that highway too. M-13 south of Birch Run Road is another one that could use a 65 mph limit as well as most of M-57 west of Chesaning except of course around Carson City and Greenville.
Don't know if this one has been on here before..
between I-4 and Colonial drive on John Young Parkway in Orlando the speed limit is 35mph.. it's a 6 lane road full median, not much business access on the sides.. most of the road is is 45 to 55 mph..
They even have the 35 mph painted in the lanes and lots of signs..people naturally want to go faster.mos roads of similar design and feel are 45-50 mph
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Quote from: vdeane on February 09, 2018, 01:07:12 PM
Plus I think MA just passed a law recently allowing cities to bypass such restrictions.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXIV/Chapter90/Section17C The law allows cities and towns to adopt a prima-facie speed limit of 25 mph on some or all streets under their jurisdiction, provided those streets are not already posted with a special speed regulation.
Cambridge's action in Harvard and Central Squares is not in conformance with MGL Ch 90 Sec 17C.
Guess what the speed limit of this section of Russell Parkway (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5939754,-83.5943931,3a,75y,273.51h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-K-rVMa_znh23QSSptnSNA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in Warner Robins, Georgia is? Four lanes, hard shoulders, jersey barrier & wide flush median, modern horizontal and vertical alignment, no direct frontages at all for over 2 miles from Moody Road all the way east to Robins AFB.
60 mph? 55 mph? Nope... try 40 mph. Meanwhile, the strip-mall and fast-food joint infested section with direct driveway accesses every 50 feet or so, to the west of Moody, has a 35 limit.
Quote from: jwolfer on February 20, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
Don't know if this one has been on here before..
between I-4 and Colonial drive on John Young Parkway in Orlando the speed limit is 35mph.. it's a 6 lane road full median, not much business access on the sides.. most of the road is is 45 to 55 mph..
They even have the 35 mph painted in the lanes and lots of signs..people naturally want to go faster.mos roads of similar design and feel are 45-50 mph
In San Francisco, both Sunset Blvd and 19th Avenue (CA-1) through the Sunset District are both 6 lanes wide, prohibit left turns save for a couple intersections, yet have speed limits of 30 MPH. To be fair the intersections are about 700 feet apart, and all along 19th Avenue there are residential homes. Traffic typically goes 35-40 MPH.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 01, 2017, 11:15:31 PM
What speed limits make you think that the dots were drunk when coming up with the speed limit? I am not talking about the, this could be slightly lower/higher, this is the what the f**k were they thinking, this should way higher/lower.
All of them! Our speed limits are dated and not very adaptive to certain situations.
Irondequoit, NY. (http://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/news/2018/02/22/irondequoit-town-board-proposes-reducing-speed-limits) It will be getting worse there, They are proposing a town wide speed limit of 30, 25 for residential areas and roads near schools. Also they plan on reducing school speed zones from 25 to 20. Some county owned roads will remain at 35.
Quote from: lordsutch on February 20, 2018, 10:04:55 PM
Guess what the speed limit of this section of Russell Parkway (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5939754,-83.5943931,3a,75y,273.51h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-K-rVMa_znh23QSSptnSNA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in Warner Robins, Georgia is? Four lanes, hard shoulders, jersey barrier & wide flush median, modern horizontal and vertical alignment, no direct frontages at all for over 2 miles from Moody Road all the way east to Robins AFB.
60 mph? 55 mph? Nope... try 40 mph. Meanwhile, the strip-mall and fast-food joint infested section with direct driveway accesses every 50 feet or so, to the west of Moody, has a 35 limit.
You just described how much I hate Sherwood"s 99W speed limit. I can relate to your feeling.
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 01, 2017, 11:15:31 PM
What speed limits make you think that the dots were drunk when coming up with the speed limit? I am not talking about the, this could be slightly lower/higher, this is the what the f**k were they thinking, this should way higher/lower.
All of them! Our speed limits are dated and not very adaptive to certain situations.
Separating due to the different subjects:
I blame safety advocates for not looking at the facts that they swear are false. At a public hearing in Nebraska, safety advocates claimed the 85% raises speeds so it raises crash frequency and severity. I need to find it again (the link).
US-30's 55 limit on fully controlled access freeway along the north side of Mansfield. For comparison, the stretch of US-30 between Upper Sandusky and the west end of Mansfield has a speed limit of 70 despite having intersections with minor roads (but no driveways or stoplights)
Quote from: ftballfan on March 05, 2018, 09:43:06 AM
US-30's 55 limit on fully controlled access freeway along the north side of Mansfield. For comparison, the stretch of US-30 between Upper Sandusky and the west end of Mansfield has a speed limit of 70 despite having intersections with minor roads (but no driveways or stoplights)
I don't mind that one too much...it's only about a 4 mile stretch that's posted at 55, and it's a section with several exits that have 1950's geometry. ODOT District 3 does have a plan posted for upgrading US 30 that area (http://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D03/Pages/RIC-30-Major-Rehabilitation.aspx) and a while back I started a thread for this project here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12368.0)
The sections of US 30 that are 70 mph were all built within the last 20 years
Before 2012, this stretch of highway was posted at 90 km/h (55 mph). Then in 2012, it was reduced to 80 km/h (50 mph). The next year, a new bypass opened and jurisdiction of the old highway was given to the town it runs through. Without making any changes to the road whatsoever, they reduced the speed limit to an absolutely insane 50 km/h (just over 30 mph). In BC, if you're caught going 40 km/h (25 mph) over the speed limit (literally the exact speed limit 6 years ago), you'll be fined $368, charged a $384 "Driver Risk Premium," and have your car impounded for 7 days at your expense.
2011 Streetview: https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145466,-119.3874555,3a,49.5y,6.47h,88.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sysFDH6W724WI23lgCpZLSw!2e0!5s20110901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
2012 Streetview:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145819,-119.3874201,3a,75y,6.47h,88.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPEM5OKMa11aJYx1p2d2LAA!2e0!5s20120601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
2014 (most recent) Streetview:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145597,-119.3875074,3a,43.1y,9.09h,89.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sE6DGhmlZXSLQCp7xeaQ8NA!2e0!5s20140901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: bcroadguy on December 11, 2018, 04:58:14 AM
Before 2012, this stretch of highway was posted at 90 km/h (55 mph). Then in 2012, it was reduced to 80 km/h (50 mph). The next year, a new bypass opened and jurisdiction of the old highway was given to the town it runs through. Without making any changes to the road whatsoever, they reduced the speed limit to an absolutely insane 50 km/h (just over 30 mph). In BC, if you're caught going 40 km/h (25 mph) over the speed limit (literally the exact speed limit 6 years ago), you'll be fined $368, charged a $384 "Driver Risk Premium," and have your car impounded for 7 days at your expense.
2011 Streetview: https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145466,-119.3874555,3a,49.5y,6.47h,88.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sysFDH6W724WI23lgCpZLSw!2e0!5s20110901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
2012 Streetview:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145819,-119.3874201,3a,75y,6.47h,88.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPEM5OKMa11aJYx1p2d2LAA!2e0!5s20120601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
2014 (most recent) Streetview:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145597,-119.3875074,3a,43.1y,9.09h,89.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sE6DGhmlZXSLQCp7xeaQ8NA!2e0!5s20140901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
That's fucking insane. There's no changes to the road geometry there in the Google Street View, yet the limit keeps going downward.
Quote from: Brandon on December 11, 2018, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: bcroadguy on December 11, 2018, 04:58:14 AM
Before 2012, this stretch of highway was posted at 90 km/h (55 mph). Then in 2012, it was reduced to 80 km/h (50 mph). The next year, a new bypass opened and jurisdiction of the old highway was given to the town it runs through. Without making any changes to the road whatsoever, they reduced the speed limit to an absolutely insane 50 km/h (just over 30 mph). In BC, if you're caught going 40 km/h (25 mph) over the speed limit (literally the exact speed limit 6 years ago), you'll be fined $368, charged a $384 "Driver Risk Premium," and have your car impounded for 7 days at your expense.
2011 Streetview: https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145466,-119.3874555,3a,49.5y,6.47h,88.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sysFDH6W724WI23lgCpZLSw!2e0!5s20110901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
2012 Streetview:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145819,-119.3874201,3a,75y,6.47h,88.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPEM5OKMa11aJYx1p2d2LAA!2e0!5s20120601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
2014 (most recent) Streetview:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1145597,-119.3875074,3a,43.1y,9.09h,89.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sE6DGhmlZXSLQCp7xeaQ8NA!2e0!5s20140901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
That's fucking insane. There's no changes to the road geometry there in the Google Street View, yet the limit keeps going downward.
I've seen sections of road go down in my area, including from a 50 to a 35 zone, because they like to 'push out' where the reduced limit starts to give people time to slow down. Isn't that the purpose of 'Reduced Speed Limit Ahead' type signage???
Last time I drove through that area was back in 2014. I never realized the limit used to be 90. At that time, I was heading towards Osoyoos from Vernon, and I exited Hwy 97 to visit the Gatzke's Market; the limit seemed insane so I just ignored it. I was not alone, IIRC. The removed signal at Oyama caught more of my attention than the low limit, to be honest, though that could be because I'm used to driving Marine Dr in Vancouver... ;-)
465 has a speed limit of 55, noone goes 55, everyone knows the real limit is 70.
The 45 MPH speed limit on AL 20 in Town Creek, AL, for me personally.
The Presidio Parkway segment of US 101 in SF leading to the Golden Gate Bridge - a fully divided, modern freeway completed in 2015 - has electronic signs for a 45 MPH limit.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.802232,-122.4593025,3a,75y,245.03h,91.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCejCeppg9TBeVYuzLCfEgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: TheStranger on December 18, 2018, 03:38:37 PM
The Presidio Parkway segment of US 101 in SF leading to the Golden Gate Bridge - a fully divided, modern freeway completed in 2015 - has electronic signs for a 45 MPH limit.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.802232,-122.4593025,3a,75y,245.03h,91.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCejCeppg9TBeVYuzLCfEgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Seattle has a similarly-low posted freeway, the West Seattle Bridge. Its eastern span (the Spokane Street Viaduct) was completely rebuilt by 2013, with shoulders and proper ramps. Still, the 40 limit remains from when the name was changed from "West Seattle Freeway" in the 90s. A 55 or 60 limit would be more appropriate. I understand lower limits for capacity purposes, but traffic seems to flow closer to 60 during off-peak hours already, so I see no reason for a 40 limit 24/7.
I didn't see Rhinelander, WI get any mentions yet.
US-8, in the middle of nowhere south of Rhinelander: 45 mph.
https://goo.gl/maps/3szdMUvaNe32 (https://goo.gl/maps/3szdMUvaNe32)
It gets worse...
4-laned Hwy 17 around the east side of Rhinelander: 35 mph
https://goo.gl/maps/78QCcHjGpSw (https://goo.gl/maps/78QCcHjGpSw)
https://goo.gl/maps/e8fk6M7bZvS2 (https://goo.gl/maps/e8fk6M7bZvS2)
Oh, you're out of town. OK, mayyybe you can be trusted with 45. Mayyybe...
https://goo.gl/maps/3zdpqryWebw (https://goo.gl/maps/3zdpqryWebw)
I'm convinced Rhinelander is home of the Anti-Destination League.
The start of I-99 at I-80 features a 55 MPH speed limit to the south side of State College. Fairly new freeway, adequate traffic counts, but it just happens to be near a populated area: https://goo.gl/maps/aponfnSVk2s
37 miles of 55 MPH on I-81, where it's not all justified: https://goo.gl/maps/DkqPdoYsxqA2
Another new one in Gainesville, FL: The already absurdly slow 35mph 4 and 6 lane divided Archer Rd was now reduced to 20mph. The road has absolutely no curves, no unsignalized intersections, and a seperate off road bike path and sidewalks that they're also moving further away from the road. The road does have heavy pedestrian crossing being across from a major university, but at signalized intersections (a few of which are configured for pedestrian scrambles/all reds, although do not allow diagonal crossing (one doesn't even give the smaller side street a walk symbol during the all red period). The reasoning, of course, is that pedestrians are more likely to survive being hit at 20mph than 35mph. If you try going 20mph in this area, it sure seems the cars will try to run you off the road, swerving all over the place to go usually 45mph in this area. https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6359745,-82.3527667,3a,15.4y,225.08h,87.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scI5mbQ-k087ZYjaQ6oJe7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I was in Quebec, the whole provence qualifies for this thread. Should be 110-120.
Ontario is pretty asinine.
Quote from: seicer on December 20, 2018, 10:27:58 AM
Ontario is pretty asinine.
Canada in general is kinda low.
Most of the limits around here are pretty low and usually ignored (like most of Canada), but here's some of the more absurd speed limits around where I live.
This straight divided expressway with a 60 km/h (37 mph) speed limit:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.1825882,-122.6700675,3a,35.7y,268.31h,83.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sW53MMpO_Vuu4Okn6C626xg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Another 60 km/h expressway:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2427231,-122.7580721,3a,39.8y,46.5h,88.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIi13ixqGsUGFUWjIQJdxaw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Most people go 80-90 km/h (50-55 mph) on both of these. I've seen tow trucks towing people away for "excessive speeding" (40 km/h over the limit) on multiple occasions at both of these locations.
Here's a half-mile long rail overpass built like a freeway with a 50 km/h (30 mph) limit (and in one direction, **three** 50 km/h signs to remind you!). Tons of tailgating and weaving around the few people that stick to the limit or don't want to go any more than 10 over. 80 km/h seems to be the most common speed when there's not much traffic. Flow is usually 70 when it's busy:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2549326,-122.7603551,3a,39.4y,32.24h,91.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDy9AHcy1bxNFV3kcU8_rDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
A nice suburban arterial with no private driveways, almost no unsignalized intersections, wide car lanes, bike lanes, and a shared cycling / pedestrian path on one side with a 50 km/h limit. The police love to sit at the bottom of this hill in the left turn lane: https://www.google.com/maps/@49.294696,-122.7697925,3a,41.2y,278.06h,84.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szsSTfWTFLpGbbTsNHEITKg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
It's pretty hard to go the speed limit down this hill:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2691396,-122.9200954,3a,40y,120.22h,85.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1v4zfkJJaXbCFBlR5Wb72A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Major 8 lane freeway that had all the interchanges redone just a few years ago with a (55 mph) 90 km/h limit. A cop told me keep it at 110 and you'll have no problems:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2371229,-122.9427285,3a,45.1y,287.47h,87.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMk8lVo_awmezdpA8_Olg-g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
A straight four lane freeway with a grass median and an 80 km/h (50 mph) limit for some reason:
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4761352,-123.3843749,3a,49.6y,348.69h,87.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLJYJTgGior4gZ5m0blkb4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 20, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Another new one in Gainesville, FL: The already absurdly slow 35mph 4 and 6 lane divided Archer Rd was now reduced to 20mph. The road has absolutely no curves, no unsignalized intersections, and a seperate off road bike path and sidewalks that they're also moving further away from the road. The road does have heavy pedestrian crossing being across from a major university, but at signalized intersections (a few of which are configured for pedestrian scrambles/all reds, although do not allow diagonal crossing (one doesn't even give the smaller side street a walk symbol during the all red period). The reasoning, of course, is that pedestrians are more likely to survive being hit at 20mph than 35mph. If you try going 20mph in this area, it sure seems the cars will try to run you off the road, swerving all over the place to go usually 45mph in this area. https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6359745,-82.3527667,3a,15.4y,225.08h,87.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scI5mbQ-k087ZYjaQ6oJe7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
That's just insane.
Quote from: bcroadguy on December 21, 2018, 07:58:46 AM
Most of the limits around here are pretty low and usually ignored (like most of Canada), but here's some of the more absurd speed limits around where I live.
Apart from LA, Vancouver seems to have the most number of driving disobeying limits compared to others cities that I drive in. I can't think of a single road that's over-posted. Stretches of the SFPR have decent limits, but I still see drivers moving along at 120-130 every time I drive it, especially between Hwy 91 and Hwy 1.
Soldiers Field road is 35.
South Plainfield, NJ with its 25 mph on even roads like County Road 531 which should be 45 mph. In fact in nearby Plainfield Park Avenue (which continues 531 across the border from S. Plainfield) is 30 mph. 5 more mile per hour in a more urban like setting as most of 531 in South Plainfield is not anyway a business district or anywhere near urban.
I though that the two lane portions of US 17 between I-95 and Charleston in SC were bad with the strictly enforced 50 mph like it was Delaware and its restricted two lane roads. I believe now since the road was widened to four lanes, SCDOT raised it at least to 55 even though the Palmetto State allows for 60 mph on rural four lane roads that are not freeways.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2018, 09:56:46 PM
South Plainfield, NJ with its 25 mph on even roads like County Road 531 which should be 45 mph. In fact in nearby Plainfield Park Avenue (which continues 531 across the border from S. Plainfield) is 30 mph. 5 more mile per hour in a more urban like setting as most of 531 in South Plainfield is not anyway a business district or anywhere near urban.
I though that the two lane portions of US 17 between I-95 and Charleston in SC were bad with the strictly enforced 50 mph like it was Delaware and its restricted two lane roads. I believe now since the road was widened to four lanes, SCDOT raised it at least to 55 even though the Palmetto State allows for 60 mph on rural four lane roads that are not freeways.
US 17 from about 2 mi north of Gardens Corner northward is 60 mph.
The 50 mph limit on the 2-lane portion before the multilaning started in the mid-2000s. It was definitely 55 when I lived in SC...
In Kirkwood, the suburb of St. Louis where I live half the time, the maximum speed limit for pretty much every two lane road is 30 mph, regardless of how often it's trafficked, or how fast people realistically drive. In a majority of cases, that's appropriate, but there are some roads where it's stupid.
One notable case is on the stretch of Adams Ave – a wide two-lane road with ample shoulders and new reflective paint – running east-west between Ballas Rd near I-270 and Geyer Rd closer to downtown Kirkwood, has a 30 mph limit. This particular stretch winds through Sugar Creek Valley just west of Kirkwood's more dense residential districts, and mainly serves as an auxiliary link from I-270 to Kirkwood with majority through traffic. People routinely drive at least 40 mph through this stretch. The city refuses to raise the limit.
I think 10 mph is the most terrible speed limit.
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2018, 02:30:17 PM
I think 10 mph is the most terrible speed limit.
Isn't 10 only signed in like parking lots?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 30, 2018, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2018, 02:30:17 PM
I think 10 mph is the most terrible speed limit.
Isn't 10 only signed in like parking lots?
Anything less than 20 isn't legally permitted in WA. I'm not aware of any state posting less than 20 regularly, though.
Jefferson Dav --- err,
Richmond Highway (as of today), through Alexandria and Arlington, VA. 25 mph...mostly a 4 to 6-lane sometimes divided arterial carrying US-1:
http://bit.ly/2LKCCnR
^^ Wisconsin school zones are 15 MPH
Quote from: Big John on January 01, 2019, 10:26:22 PM
^^ Wisconsin school zones are 15 MPH
I should have clarified. "Regularly", as in, on roads that aren't necessarily special (like a school zone, where 20 or 15 is probably the norm nationwide). For example, 20 is regularly used in WA in some cities like Seattle for all non-arterial roads.
Quote from: Big John on January 01, 2019, 10:26:22 PM
^^ Wisconsin school zones are 15 MPH
...which is ridiculous.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2019, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2019, 12:49:45 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 01, 2019, 10:26:22 PM
^^ Wisconsin school zones are 15 MPH
...which is ridiculous.
I thought most school zones were 15-20?
Depends on the type of road. One school zone near me is a 50/35 (or maybe now a 40 or 45/35 since I think they may have cut the speed limit when the interchange with MN 101 was built).
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 02, 2019, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2019, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2019, 12:49:45 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 01, 2019, 10:26:22 PM
^^ Wisconsin school zones are 15 MPH
...which is ridiculous.
I thought most school zones were 15-20?
Depends on the type of road. One school zone near me is a 50/35 (or maybe now a 40 or 45/35 since I think they may have cut the speed limit when the interchange with MN 101 was built).
On MO-94 just west of Highway 40 in Weldon Spring, there's a 45 mph school zone in front of Francis Howell High School. Not sure if there's one for Route D but there may be. The normal limit for both roads is 55 mph.
There's also a few 35 mph school zones on Wild Horse Creek Rd through Chesterfield; normal speed limit is 45 mph. I wasn't sure they were allowed to go so high in Missouri.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2019, 12:51:23 PM
I thought most school zones were 15-20?
I'm used to school zones being at least 20 mph.
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
45 mph school zone ... a few 35 mph school zones ... I wasn't sure they were allowed to go so high in Missouri.
At the north end of Kingdom City on US-54, there's
a 60-mph school zone (https://goo.gl/maps/sPpfjK91viw).
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2019, 12:51:23 PM
I thought most school zones were 15-20?
I'm used to school zones being at least 20 mph.
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
45 mph school zone ... a few 35 mph school zones ... I wasn't sure they were allowed to go so high in Missouri.
In MA I have seen 15 more than 20.
At the north end of Kingdom City on US-54, there's a 60-mph school zone (https://goo.gl/maps/sPpfjK91viw).
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
45 mph school zone ... a few 35 mph school zones ... I wasn't sure they were allowed to go so high in Missouri.
At the north end of Kingdom City on US-54, there's a 60-mph school zone (https://goo.gl/maps/sPpfjK91viw).
What is the point of a 60 mph school zone? If school zones are designed to protect kids, a car going 60 mph hitting a kid is going to be fatal no matter what.
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
45 mph school zone ... a few 35 mph school zones ... I wasn't sure they were allowed to go so high in Missouri.
At the north end of Kingdom City on US-54, there's a 60-mph school zone (https://goo.gl/maps/sPpfjK91viw).
What is the point of a 60 mph school zone? If school zones are designed to protect kids, a car going 60 mph hitting a kid is going to be fatal no matter what.
Maybe it's there to make people feel good if they almost hit a kid.
Example: *going 60 and sees a kid*, immediately brakes, "Phew, I'm such a good person for thinking about a kid's life, because they are our future."
Quote from: Ben114 on January 02, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
What is the point of a 60 mph school zone? If school zones are designed to protect kids, a car going 60 mph hitting a kid is going to be fatal no matter what.
Maybe it's there to make people feel good if they almost hit a kid.
Example: *going 60 and sees a kid*, immediately brakes, "Phew, I'm such a good person for thinking about a kid's life, because they are our future."
Interesting perspective. Probably enough rural moms complained and the state installed it just to get them to shut up.
I'm sure it's the same everywhere else: people complain about people driving too fast around their children, municipalities or state governments lower the speed limits to get the parents to shut up, people continue to speed and nothing ever changes.
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 02, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
What is the point of a 60 mph school zone? If school zones are designed to protect kids, a car going 60 mph hitting a kid is going to be fatal no matter what.
Maybe it's there to make people feel good if they almost hit a kid.
Example: *going 60 and sees a kid*, immediately brakes, "Phew, I'm such a good person for thinking about a kid's life, because they are our future."
Interesting perspective. Probably enough rural moms complained and the state installed it just to get them to shut up.
I'm sure it's the same everywhere else: people complain about people driving too fast around their children, municipalities or state governments lower the speed limits to get the parents to shut up, people continue to speed and nothing ever changes.
But why would they choose
60 if they wanted the moms to shut up?
Quote from: Ben114 on January 02, 2019, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 02, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
What is the point of a 60 mph school zone? If school zones are designed to protect kids, a car going 60 mph hitting a kid is going to be fatal no matter what.
Maybe it's there to make people feel good if they almost hit a kid.
Example: *going 60 and sees a kid*, immediately brakes, "Phew, I'm such a good person for thinking about a kid's life, because they are our future."
Interesting perspective. Probably enough rural moms complained and the state installed it just to get them to shut up.
I'm sure it's the same everywhere else: people complain about people driving too fast around their children, municipalities or state governments lower the speed limits to get the parents to shut up, people continue to speed and nothing ever changes.
But why would they choose 60 if they wanted the moms to shut up?
Well, I think the speed limit up there on US-54 is something like 70 mph, so I suppose they couldn't have taken it too much lower than 60 mph in the school zone or else other motorists would start complaining that it was too low.
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 02, 2019, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 02, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
What is the point of a 60 mph school zone? If school zones are designed to protect kids, a car going 60 mph hitting a kid is going to be fatal no matter what.
Maybe it's there to make people feel good if they almost hit a kid.
Example: *going 60 and sees a kid*, immediately brakes, "Phew, I'm such a good person for thinking about a kid's life, because they are our future."
Interesting perspective. Probably enough rural moms complained and the state installed it just to get them to shut up.
I'm sure it's the same everywhere else: people complain about people driving too fast around their children, municipalities or state governments lower the speed limits to get the parents to shut up, people continue to speed and nothing ever changes.
But why would they choose 60 if they wanted the moms to shut up?
Well, I think the speed limit up there on US-54 is something like 70 mph, so I suppose they couldn't have taken it too much lower than 60 mph in the school zone or else other motorists would start complaining that it was too low.
Kids crossing the road aren't the only concern at a school, . There are also a lot of buses and cars slowing down, exiting, entering. That sort of hazard doesn't require as drastic of a slow-down, especially for a semi-rural school where kids are less likely to be walking in the first place.
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2019, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:14:53 PM
Well, I think the speed limit up there on US-54 is something like 70 mph, so I suppose they couldn't have taken it too much lower than 60 mph in the school zone or else other motorists would start complaining that it was too low.
Kids crossing the road aren't the only concern at a school, . There are also a lot of buses and cars slowing down, exiting, entering. That sort of hazard doesn't require as drastic of a slow-down, especially for a semi-rural school where kids are less likely to be walking in the first place.
Fair enough. I'm just used to being in the suburbs and the speed limits are already low here to provide for security of students. I guess I just don't get how 60 mph is going to help the situation.
Quote from: wolfiefrick on January 02, 2019, 03:23:15 PM
I guess I just don't get how 60 mph is going to help the situation.
Because 60 is less than 70.
There are also other things at play in a school zone, such as increased traffic fines and whatnot, that aren't even dependent on the speed limit at all.
What kind of town would decide a 70 mile per hour road is alright for a school?
60 for these school limits are unnecessary since they are only in effect during arrival (7-8 am) and dismissal (2-3 pm).
Quote from: Ben114 on January 02, 2019, 03:27:58 PM
What kind of town would decide a 70 mile per hour road is alright for a school?
60 for these school limits are unnecessary since they are only in effect during arrival (7-8 am) and dismissal (2-3 pm).
It wasn't long after that section of US-54 was twinned and bumped up to 70 mph that I first drove it (nearly 20 years ago now), and the 60-mph school zone signs were there back then–so it's entirely possible that, when the school buildings were located there, it was just a regular two-lane highway. Also, did you look at the map? The schools are actually on a side road (Thunderbird Drive), not the highway itself.
And I take it you haven't driven much in the western states, where several states post rural two-lane highways at 70 mph. Texas has rural two-lane highways posted at 75 mph. Considering that a lot of districts have been constructing schools in rural areas, I doubt it's all that uncommon to find a school along a 70-mph (or evern 75-mph) highway.
It took me a little bit, but not too terribly long, to find another school along a 70-mph highway.
Grady ISD (https://goo.gl/maps/3pRuT86KoTv) is at the corner of TX-176 and FM-829.
TX-176 has a speed limit of 75 there, but it slows down to 50 mph in advance of the school and has a 35-mph school zone.
FM-829, on the other hand, has the same 35-mph school zone but does not drop the regular speed limit down from 70 mph. The speed of traffic is mitigated by a stop sign at the junction, but it is technically a 70-mph highway with a school driveway.
I'm sure if I looked longer, I could come up with a better example, but I'm not that crazy.
In Utah, every single school zone is 20 mph. It's even worse in New Mexico (or at least the Albuquerque area), where most school zones are 15 mph.
There is a 45 mph school zone in Big Sky, Montana on US 191 (limit otherwise is 60 mph).
The painful thing about a lot of school zones is that they're on timers, which means the lights will be flashing even on days when school isn't in session. This seems not to be the case in Utah, where the flashing lights are usually turned on manually by the crossing guards.
Quote from: US 89 on January 02, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
In Utah, every single school zone is 20 mph. It's even worse in New Mexico (or at least the Albuquerque area), where most school zones are 15 mph.
I have no issue going 15 or 20 mph when the school speed limit extends across a reasonable area and it looks like the roadway was actually designed with students' safety in mind. What I find messed up is 15 or 20 mph school speed limits on wide arterial death traps with multilane uncontrolled crosswalks, no crossing guards, and no other safety treatments for crossing students. I still obey the limit, but I can't imagine any self-respecting engineer finding a situation like that OK.
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2019, 04:26:03 PM
It took me a little bit, but not too terribly long, to find another school along a 70-mph highway.
Grady ISD (https://goo.gl/maps/3pRuT86KoTv) is at the corner of TX-176 and FM-829.
TX-176 has a speed limit of 75 there, but it slows down to 50 mph in advance of the school and has a 35-mph school zone.
FM-829, on the other hand, has the same 35-mph school zone but does not drop the regular speed limit down from 70 mph. The speed of traffic is mitigated by a stop sign at the junction, but it is technically a 70-mph highway with a school driveway.
I'm sure if I looked longer, I could come up with a better example, but I'm not that crazy.
The standard in Texas, specified by the speed zone manual, is that the maximum school zone speed limit is 35. If the regular speed limit is above 55, there is a school zone with a limit of 55 on each side. On TX 176, the regular speed limit reduces to 65 as it goes through town. The intermediate school zone speed limit of 50 is not standard, but it does maintain the standard of limiting speed changes to 15 mph. That standard is disregarded for school zones.
An example of the standard setup is in Meridian, where the speed limit increases from 60 to 70 as the road is leaving town, but there's a school zone intermediate limit of 55, with a regular school zone limit of 35 and another intermediate zone on the other side. At non-zone times, the limit is 70.
https://goo.gl/maps/vYEbHjTm4H52
Colorado can be as low as 15 MPH in a school zone on a residential 2-lane. Then again, there are a few zones along state/U.S. highways that are no different than the regular speed limit. The "flashing light zone" times just give the police the ability to double the fines for speeding (and likely other offenses) by the school during pick-up and drop off times.
Ohio was 20 MPH regardless. I remember some 55 MPH expressways (US-20) dropping to 20 MPH zones during certain times.
Quote from: thenetwork on January 05, 2019, 11:45:10 AM
Ohio was 20 MPH regardless. I remember some 55 MPH expressways (US-20) dropping to 20 MPH zones during certain times.
Yep, 2 of those were in the Bellevue school district, located on either side of town. Both of those schools have since closed (along with 3 others that were all replaced by a central elementary), which happened just a few years before US 20 was bumped up to 60 mph.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 05, 2019, 03:36:25 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on January 05, 2019, 11:45:10 AM
Ohio was 20 MPH regardless. I remember some 55 MPH expressways (US-20) dropping to 20 MPH zones during certain times.
Yep, 2 of those were in the Bellevue school district, located on either side of town. Both of those schools have since closed (along with 3 others that were all replaced by a central elementary), which happened just a few years before US 20 was bumped up to 60 mph.
Exactly what & where I was thinking! I miss the days when I would take US-20/SR-18 from Toledo to Akron to avoid the tolls on the Turnpike.
Zack's Way (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zack's+Way,+New+York+12603/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89dd3efd2c288261:0x728859731d54128a?ved=2ahUKEwjsvIeSuOTfAhWCTd8KHd3LAf4Q8gEwAHoECAEQAQ) in the Town of Poughkeepsie, NY has pretty low volumes but is an egregious offender. 30 mph on a straight, flat, ~28 ft wide road: relatively good roadside conditions, and completely undeveloped with no driveways or cross streets. As a bonus, there are needless no-passing markings on the entire 3/4-mile straightaway, although if you actually did 30 I'm sure you'd be passed anyways.
This is one of my gripes with allowing "suburban towns" to set area speed limits. City and village speed limits I have no issue with, but a lot of suburban towns in NY have large areas with more rural character where a 30 mph limit is hardly appropriate. The Town of Poughkeepsie is especially bad about signing the town speed limit on inappropriate roads where a study would indicate a linear speed limit of at least 10 mph over the town speed limit. The default in these areas should be 55 and it should be incumbent on the town to perform a study to post a lower limit.
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on January 10, 2019, 07:11:27 PM
Zack's Way (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zack's+Way,+New+York+12603/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89dd3efd2c288261:0x728859731d54128a?ved=2ahUKEwjsvIeSuOTfAhWCTd8KHd3LAf4Q8gEwAHoECAEQAQ) in the Town of Poughkeepsie, NY has pretty low volumes but is an egregious offender. 30 mph on a straight, flat, ~28 ft wide road: relatively good roadside conditions, and completely undeveloped with no driveways or cross streets. As a bonus, there are needless no-passing markings on the entire 3/4-mile straightaway, although if you actually did 30 I'm sure you'd be passed anyways.
This is one of my gripes with allowing "suburban towns" to set area speed limits. City and village speed limits I have no issue with, but a lot of suburban towns in NY have large areas with more rural character where a 30 mph limit is hardly appropriate. The Town of Poughkeepsie is especially bad about signing the town speed limit on inappropriate roads where a study would indicate a linear speed limit of at least 10 mph over the town speed limit. The default in these areas should be 55 and it should be incumbent on the town to perform a study to post a lower limit.
What should that road be? It could be 55 which is crazy.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 10, 2019, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on January 10, 2019, 07:11:27 PM
Zack's Way (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zack's+Way,+New+York+12603/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89dd3efd2c288261:0x728859731d54128a?ved=2ahUKEwjsvIeSuOTfAhWCTd8KHd3LAf4Q8gEwAHoECAEQAQ) in the Town of Poughkeepsie, NY has pretty low volumes but is an egregious offender. 30 mph on a straight, flat, ~28 ft wide road: relatively good roadside conditions, and completely undeveloped with no driveways or cross streets. As a bonus, there are needless no-passing markings on the entire 3/4-mile straightaway, although if you actually did 30 I'm sure you'd be passed anyways.
This is one of my gripes with allowing "suburban towns" to set area speed limits. City and village speed limits I have no issue with, but a lot of suburban towns in NY have large areas with more rural character where a 30 mph limit is hardly appropriate. The Town of Poughkeepsie is especially bad about signing the town speed limit on inappropriate roads where a study would indicate a linear speed limit of at least 10 mph over the town speed limit. The default in these areas should be 55 and it should be incumbent on the town to perform a study to post a lower limit.
What should that road be? It could be 55 which is crazy.
USLIMITS2 suggested 45 or 50 depending on if you classify it as undeveloped or developed. Even 55 would still be more appropriate than 30 imo.
Let's play another round of "guess the speed limit".
What would you guess (or estimate to be a reasonable limit) for this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1624855,-77.4751172,3a,75y,177.73h,84.3t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D31.345362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)?
No looking until you make a guess. :-P
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
Let's play another round of "guess the speed limit".
What would you guess (or estimate to be a reasonable limit) for this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1624855,-77.4751172,3a,75y,177.73h,84.3t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D31.345362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)?
No looking until you make a guess. :-P
40-45, 35 at lowest. Maybe even 50.
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
Let's play another round of "guess the speed limit".
What would you guess (or estimate to be a reasonable limit) for this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1624855,-77.4751172,3a,75y,177.73h,84.3t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D31.345362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)?
No looking until you make a guess. :-P
I'd say 40 mph.
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
What would you guess (or estimate to be a reasonable limit) for this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1624855,-77.4751172,3a,75y,177.73h,84.3t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D31.345362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)?
No looking until you make a guess. :-P
If there weren't a shoulder, I'd have guessed 40. 45 is my guess.
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After seeing the limit, that does seem off from what it should be.
Quote from: jakeroot on January 11, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
What would you guess (or estimate to be a reasonable limit) for this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1624855,-77.4751172,3a,75y,177.73h,84.3t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D31.345362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)?
No looking until you make a guess. :-P
If there weren't a shoulder, I'd have guessed 40. 45 is my guess.
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After seeing the limit, that does seem off from what it should be.
Yep,
35 mph! :banghead:
Try doing this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Five+Mile+Line+Rd,+Webster,+NY+14580/43.1314878,-77.4758572/@43.1734897,-77.5049187,12.75z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d6c92bec3dc6af:0x4b2448fc9e26624e!2m2!1d-77.4747989!2d43.2124652!1m0!3e0) without ever exceeding 35 mph. Impossible!
I have literally set the
cruise at 55 mph on the rare occasion, such as an early morning, when I have it to myself. Granted, I cherry-picked what is probably the most "rural" segment. But still, 45 mph for the entire corridor is not unreasonable at all.
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2019, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 11, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
What would you guess (or estimate to be a reasonable limit) for this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1624855,-77.4751172,3a,75y,177.73h,84.3t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D31.345362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)?
No looking until you make a guess. :-P
If there weren't a shoulder, I'd have guessed 40. 45 is my guess.
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After seeing the limit, that does seem off from what it should be.
Yep, 35 mph! :banghead:
Try doing this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Five+Mile+Line+Rd,+Webster,+NY+14580/43.1314878,-77.4758572/@43.1734897,-77.5049187,12.75z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d6c92bec3dc6af:0x4b2448fc9e26624e!2m2!1d-77.4747989!2d43.2124652!1m0!3e0) without ever exceeding 35 mph. Impossible!
I have literally set the cruise at 55 mph on the rare occasion, such as an early morning, when I have it to myself. Granted, I cherry-picked what is probably the most "rural" segment. But still, 45 mph for the entire corridor is not unreasonable at all.
I've hit 55 mph on roads like this in Michigan. There are a lot of roads in northern Oakland County that are like 45 mph but you'd think they should be like 55 mph.
I think M-20 between Midland and Mt. Pleasant should be 65 mph, it's currently 55 and has been for years.
Airport Street at Half Moon Bay, CA (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5114218,-122.5004611,3a,75y,28.71h,90.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smBAUlIE-aza-CaGKHVbmQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is just like that, it is posted with a speed limit of 35 MPH and is a mile long straight road. I driven on it and cruised at 50, there was hardly enough traffic there and it borders a regional airport so I wouldn't have to worry about stopping when one wants to turn
Quote from: Techknow on January 15, 2019, 08:05:02 PM
Airport Street at Half Moon Bay, CA (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5114218,-122.5004611,3a,75y,28.71h,90.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smBAUlIE-aza-CaGKHVbmQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is just like that, it is posted with a speed limit of 35 MPH and is a mile long straight road. I driven on it and cruised at 50, there was hardly enough traffic there and it borders a regional airport so I wouldn't have to worry about stopping when one wants to turn
35 seems about right as it's narrow, but I'd put it at 40.
Quote from: bcroadguy on December 21, 2018, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 20, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Another new one in Gainesville, FL: The already absurdly slow 35mph 4 and 6 lane divided Archer Rd was now reduced to 20mph. The road has absolutely no curves, no unsignalized intersections, and a seperate off road bike path and sidewalks that they're also moving further away from the road. The road does have heavy pedestrian crossing being across from a major university, but at signalized intersections (a few of which are configured for pedestrian scrambles/all reds, although do not allow diagonal crossing (one doesn't even give the smaller side street a walk symbol during the all red period). The reasoning, of course, is that pedestrians are more likely to survive being hit at 20mph than 35mph. If you try going 20mph in this area, it sure seems the cars will try to run you off the road, swerving all over the place to go usually 45mph in this area. https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6359745,-82.3527667,3a,15.4y,225.08h,87.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scI5mbQ-k087ZYjaQ6oJe7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
That's just insane.
So I just drove through that area again, and they put a speed limit sign every few hundred feet so you're always within sight of one, they added permanent radar signs, and they had VMS warning of the low speed limit, and then they also had new portable radar signs as well that were equipped with a full police light bar on top that seemed to activate whenever anyone is going above 20mph... which was whenever the traffic light in front of it was green. How low does the compliance rate have to be for them to give it up? Anyone who tries to limit themselves to only 10 over gets vehicles dangerously swerving around them.
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
Let's play another round of "guess the speed limit".
What would you guess (or estimate to be a reasonable limit) for this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1624855,-77.4751172,3a,75y,177.73h,84.3t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMOTX3o-jFri_v-f2J92POw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D31.345362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)?
No looking until you make a guess. :-P
Anything less than 50 would be VERY unreasonable.
Katy Tollway. Speed limit is 60, same as the regular lanes of the Katy Freeway. I once actually went 60 on this road on a clear day and counted no fewer than 27 vehicles that passed me. I've also often seen 3 or 4 cops camped out on the shoulder looking for people speeding. Most people drive closer to 70, and I feel like the speed limit should reflect that.
Quote from: someperson on August 03, 2019, 05:11:01 PM
I once actually went 60 on this road on a clear day and counted no fewer than 27 vehicles that passed me.
What's that supposed to mean? Without context this tells you nothing. If 27 vehicles pass you and you pass 27, for example, then you're traveling roughly the 50th percentile speed. If you pass 153, then you're traveling the 85th percentile speed.
And now for round 2 of Guess the Speed Limit. What is the speed limit on this stretch of state road? (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5966966,-72.8432338,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D237.07225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2019, 01:36:27 AM
And now for round 2 of Guess the Speed Limit. What is the speed limit on this stretch of state road? (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5966966,-72.8432338,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D237.07225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
Looking at the road, I would've said 45 mph. Going a bit further down, it's 25 mph. Doesn't look like a 25 mph road to me from Google SV.
Quote from: Brandon on August 04, 2019, 06:29:51 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2019, 01:36:27 AM
And now for round 2 of Guess the Speed Limit. What is the speed limit on this stretch of state road? (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5966966,-72.8432338,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D237.07225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
Looking at the road, I would've said 45 mph. Going a bit further down, it's 25 mph. Doesn't look like a 25 mph road to me from Google SV.
Maybe not 45 mph, but at least 35 mph or 40 mph.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2019, 01:36:27 AM
And now for round 2 of Guess the Speed Limit. What is the speed limit on this stretch of state road? (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5966966,-72.8432338,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D237.07225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
35 or 40.
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on August 04, 2019, 01:09:14 AM
Quote from: someperson on August 03, 2019, 05:11:01 PM
I once actually went 60 on this road on a clear day and counted no fewer than 27 vehicles that passed me.
What's that supposed to mean? Without context this tells you nothing. If 27 vehicles pass you and you pass 27, for example, then you're traveling roughly the 50th percentile speed. If you pass 153, then you're traveling the 85th percentile speed.
To be more clear, 27 vehicles passed me, and I passed 0. A few drivers tailgated me for a bit before finally going around me. I'm pretty sure that puts me in the lowest percentile.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 04, 2019, 07:25:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on August 04, 2019, 06:29:51 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2019, 01:36:27 AM
And now for round 2 of Guess the Speed Limit. What is the speed limit on this stretch of state road? (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5966966,-72.8432338,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D237.07225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
Looking at the road, I would've said 45 mph. Going a bit further down, it's 25 mph. Doesn't look like a 25 mph road to me from Google SV.
Maybe not 45 mph, but at least 35 mph or 40 mph.
CT 364 is a 25 or 30 MPH road its entire length. Local speed limits in CT are among the most ridiculously low limits in the nation. They were set over 40 years ago and never adjusted. A 25 here would be 40 in another state, and most can do almost 40 before facing a ticket.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2019, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 04, 2019, 07:25:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on August 04, 2019, 06:29:51 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2019, 01:36:27 AM
And now for round 2 of Guess the Speed Limit. What is the speed limit on this stretch of state road? (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5966966,-72.8432338,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D237.07225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
Looking at the road, I would've said 45 mph. Going a bit further down, it's 25 mph. Doesn't look like a 25 mph road to me from Google SV.
Maybe not 45 mph, but at least 35 mph or 40 mph.
CT 364 is a 25 or 30 MPH road its entire length. Local speed limits in CT are among the most ridiculously low limits in the nation. They were set over 40 years ago and never adjusted. A 25 here would be 40 in another state, and most can do almost 40 before facing a ticket.
What's the highest speed limit on a two lane road in CT?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 04, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
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And now for round 2 of Guess the Speed Limit. What is the speed limit on this stretch of state road? (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5966966,-72.8432338,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D237.07225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
Looking at the road, I would've said 45 mph. Going a bit further down, it's 25 mph. Doesn't look like a 25 mph road to me from Google SV.
Maybe not 45 mph, but at least 35 mph or 40 mph.
CT 364 is a 25 or 30 MPH road its entire length. Local speed limits in CT are among the most ridiculously low limits in the nation. They were set over 40 years ago and never adjusted. A 25 here would be 40 in another state, and most can do almost 40 before facing a ticket.
What's the highest speed limit on a two lane road in CT?
Although 55 is allowed, the highest posted speed limit on a 2 land road is 50. You have to get out in the sticks with no residential areas before you see that. There's quite a bit in Litchfield County, eastern CT, and a couple of back roads leading to the shore like CT 79 or CT 81, or a couple of stretches of CT 80. The only 2 lane roads in Hartford County I can think of with a 50 MPH limit are CT 4 west of Unionville and CT 179 south of Collinsville. Maybe a couple of stretches of CT 20 through Hartland and Granby.
One road that has always had a speed limit that's seemed low to me is MA 128 when it's concurrent with I-95 around Boston.
Quote from: mb2001 on August 14, 2019, 10:29:34 PM
One road that has always had a speed limit that's seemed low to me is MA 128 when it's concurrent with I-95 around Boston.
Yeah. Everyone drives 65-70 anyway.
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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2019, 01:36:27 AM
And now for round 2 of Guess the Speed Limit. What is the speed limit on this stretch of state road? (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5966966,-72.8432338,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHEKoGXOo0qrw2O-IjYRlaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D237.07225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
Looking at the road, I would've said 45 mph. Going a bit further down, it's 25 mph. Doesn't look like a 25 mph road to me from Google SV.
Maybe not 45 mph, but at least 35 mph or 40 mph.
CT 364 is a 25 or 30 MPH road its entire length. Local speed limits in CT are among the most ridiculously low limits in the nation. They were set over 40 years ago and never adjusted. A 25 here would be 40 in another state, and most can do almost 40 before facing a ticket.
What's the highest speed limit on a two lane road in CT?
Although 55 is allowed, the highest posted speed limit on a 2 land road is 50. You have to get out in the sticks with no residential areas before you see that. There's quite a bit in Litchfield County, eastern CT, and a couple of back roads leading to the shore like CT 79 or CT 81, or a couple of stretches of CT 80. The only 2 lane roads in Hartford County I can think of with a 50 MPH limit are CT 4 west of Unionville and CT 179 south of Collinsville. Maybe a couple of stretches of CT 20 through Hartland and Granby.
CT doesn't sign any side roads higher than 50mph. They were also the last state to raise speed limits to 65mph in 1998. Very conservative around here, not to mention they take away free movements at intersections when they can.
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 20, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Another new one in Gainesville, FL: The already absurdly slow 35mph 4 and 6 lane divided Archer Rd was now reduced to 20mph. The road has absolutely no curves, no unsignalized intersections, and a seperate off road bike path and sidewalks that they're also moving further away from the road. The road does have heavy pedestrian crossing being across from a major university, but at signalized intersections (a few of which are configured for pedestrian scrambles/all reds, although do not allow diagonal crossing (one doesn't even give the smaller side street a walk symbol during the all red period). The reasoning, of course, is that pedestrians are more likely to survive being hit at 20mph than 35mph. If you try going 20mph in this area, it sure seems the cars will try to run you off the road, swerving all over the place to go usually 45mph in this area. https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6359745,-82.3527667,3a,15.4y,225.08h,87.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scI5mbQ-k087ZYjaQ6oJe7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
So finally after a year and a half of failed attempts to get vehicle to slow down to 20mph in this road thats clearly designed to be 45mph, including at one point assigning an officer to just stand out there and write tickets until they started violating the anti speed trap law, and weren't allowed to write tickets anymore, they've finally given in and moved the speed back up to 35mph! Of course, with them installing midblock crosswalks on this very heavily travelled road, and done lots of things to encourage jaywalking as part of their campaign, I'm fairly confident the end result of the Vision Zero concept here will be an increase in pedestrian injuries and deaths.
This has probably been mentioned upthread, but every rural highway in Oregon.
Quote from: US 89 on June 12, 2017, 04:47:47 PM
Legacy Parkway in Davis County, UT is a full freeway, posted at 55 mph as part of a trade off with environmentalists for building the road in the first place. And there are tons of cops who actually enforce it. 55 is way too slow, IMO. I have to set cruise control for 57 or 58, otherwise I would be going 70.
The state law requiring the 55 limit expired on January 1, and on that day the speed limit bumped up to 65 mph. The road is still swarming with cops, but it's way easier to hold 67 on that road than 57.
Quote from: US 89 on January 16, 2020, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: US 89 on June 12, 2017, 04:47:47 PM
Legacy Parkway in Davis County, UT is a full freeway, posted at 55 mph as part of a trade off with environmentalists for building the road in the first place. And there are tons of cops who actually enforce it. 55 is way too slow, IMO. I have to set cruise control for 57 or 58, otherwise I would be going 70.
The state law requiring the 55 limit expired on January 1, and on that day the speed limit bumped up to 65 mph. The road is still swarming with cops, but it's way easier to hold 67 on that road than 57.
I guess I got lucky last time I drove on it at about 10 above the speed limit.
Quote from: Mark68 on January 16, 2020, 01:41:22 PM
This has probably been mentioned upthread, but every rural highway in Oregon.
Most of the rural highways in Eastern Oregon have been raised to 65 MPH, or 70 in the case of US-95, bringing them in line with rural speed limits in most of the western US. There's a few weird omissions (like US-97 north of 197), and it does nothing for the west side, but it got rid of the worst problem spots like US-20 east of Bend, and US-95. And on the interstate side, I-84 is now 70 east of The Dalles which is a bit slow, but on par with WA and CA. I wouldn't call any of those "terrible". Now, OR-22 east of Salem and US-26 in west of Beaverton still being 55, now that's still terrible.
Also, great news about Legacy Parkway. In my visits to/through SLC, I never checked it out because I-15 was clear and I didn't want to deal with the 55 limit. I may check it out next time I'm there now. It's always refreshing when DOTs raise speed limits instead of lowering them, particularly on freeways and rural highways (on city streets I'm more open to it, within reason).
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US 3 from I-95 to the NH border. That it's still 55 after going from a glorified parkway to a completely interstate quality highway is baffling.
Also baffling why I-93 drops from 65 to 55 crossing from MA into NH. No change in road congestion.
The electronic sign on I-93 in New Hampshire sometimes says 65, and sometimes it says 55. I haven't figured out the conditions that determine whether it's 55 or 65.
I was wondering if it was construction, but there isn't any until a mile north of exit 3. So, it could at least be 65 to there and then drop where it's down to 2 lanes and an active work site. It appears to be a crap-shoot as to what the limit will be when you enter into the state. The rebuilding 93 page has no info I could find about this, either.
A source from the NHDOT told me during a job shadow in July 2019 that those variable speed limit signs on I-93 between MA and Manchester will be replaced with static signs once they are at the end of their lifetime...
I have always thought that the speed limit on the Spaulding Turnpike from I-95 to exit 9, as well as I-95 from Maine to exit 3 should be 60 mph, not 55, and that I-95 from MA to Exit 3 should be 70. The same could be said about the Everett Turnpike from MA to exit 8... highway is posted 55 but should really be posted at either 60 or 65...
Quote from: fwydriver405 on January 21, 2020, 03:25:07 PM
The same could be said about the Everett Turnpike from MA to exit 8... highway is posted 55 but should really be posted at either 60 or 65...
Nah, the Everett Turnpike south of exit 8 is good at 55. Average of <1 mile between exits, high traffic volumes, one left exit, lots of weaving due to frequent lane additions and drops. Maybe closer to the MA line it'd be fine, but exits 6 and 7 are pretty substandard. The weave between the northbound exit 6 onramp and exit 7E offramp is only 330 ft long, and then the weave in the exit 7 cloverleaf is barely longer. Even at off-peak hours traffic doesn't average much more than 55.
The MA portion of route 3 is what really needs a speed limit increase (probably 65). Maybe extend that up to NH exit 3, then drop it back to 55 through exit 8.
Round three. How fast would you guess:
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8001347,-77.8777581,3a,75y,121.22h,71.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKmFFZL_tOJhzNIcNaEje1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) stretch of US-322 Business?
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7900214,-77.8917921,3a,75y,346.08h,86.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sN2UAjtwzGNUdUnhDR_PAkA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DN2UAjtwzGNUdUnhDR_PAkA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D205.26678%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) highway?
How about this (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7815904,-77.8512242,3a,75y,252.99h,70.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKH_72z2ZFgyvw84_AlZPqg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DKH_72z2ZFgyvw84_AlZPqg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D164.12737%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)?
And last but not least, this beauty. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8269394,-77.8730708,3a,75y,130.11h,79.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIxSyOAb6NMibx5ILFb9Ujg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIxSyOAb6NMibx5ILFb9Ujg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D291.6968%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8001347,-77.8777581,3a,75y,121.22h,71.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKmFFZL_tOJhzNIcNaEje1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) stretch of US-322 Business?
Guessed 35 mph, and it indeed is 35 mph. Seems reasonable.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7900214,-77.8917921,3a,75y,346.08h,86.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sN2UAjtwzGNUdUnhDR_PAkA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DN2UAjtwzGNUdUnhDR_PAkA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D205.26678%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) highway?
Guessed 45 mph, but is actually 50 mph. That's certainly reasonable.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
How about this (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7815904,-77.8512242,3a,75y,252.99h,70.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKH_72z2ZFgyvw84_AlZPqg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DKH_72z2ZFgyvw84_AlZPqg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D164.12737%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)?
Guessed 30 mph, but is actually 25 mph. Is a residential area, so I wouldn't expect too fast.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
And last but not least, this beauty. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8269394,-77.8730708,3a,75y,130.11h,79.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIxSyOAb6NMibx5ILFb9Ujg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIxSyOAb6NMibx5ILFb9Ujg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D291.6968%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
Guessed 45 mph, but is actually 35 mph. I cannot comment much on this situation as I'm not familiar with the area, but could be reasonably 40 mph from the looks of it.
1. 25 now, it's basically a crawl.
2. Down to 45 since 2017. People routinely do 55 and I've seen 65+.
3. 25 but it shouldn't be - the apartments are all stowed away behind.
4. As you said 35, but ought to be more - nobody drives any of these limits.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 11:17:43 PM
1. 25 now, it's basically a crawl.
I would agree.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 11:17:43 PM
2. Down to 45 since 2017. People routinely do 55 and I've seen 65+.
Looking at the roadway characteristics and development around it, it looks like it could actually reasonable be 55 mph, but certainly at least 50 mph. I could see 45 mph if there's planned development around the area.
South Plainfield, NJ and their 25 mph speed limits even on Park Avenue where Downtown Plainfield has (or once had a 30 mph speed limit) is 25 mph where that particular road should be at least 40. Edison is another place on roads like Grove Ave. which is 25 despite other like roads being raised to 35 mph in the late 80's.
Then the Driscoll Bridge on the Garden State Parkway being only 45 when the 85 percentile does about 70 to 75 on it.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
Round three. How fast would you guess:
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8001347,-77.8777581,3a,75y,121.22h,71.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKmFFZL_tOJhzNIcNaEje1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) stretch of US-322 Business?
Guessed 30. 35 seems reasonable but 25 is way too slow.
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This (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7900214,-77.8917921,3a,75y,346.08h,86.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sN2UAjtwzGNUdUnhDR_PAkA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DN2UAjtwzGNUdUnhDR_PAkA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D205.26678%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) highway?
Guessed 40. 50 seems pretty fair but I'd probably end up going 55. 45 is too slow but seems pretty typical for a road like that.
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How about this (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7815904,-77.8512242,3a,75y,252.99h,70.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKH_72z2ZFgyvw84_AlZPqg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DKH_72z2ZFgyvw84_AlZPqg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D164.12737%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)?
Guessed 30 but 25 doesn't seem extraordinarily awful. I can't really see this being higher than 35.
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And last but not least, this beauty. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8269394,-77.8730708,3a,75y,130.11h,79.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIxSyOAb6NMibx5ILFb9Ujg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIxSyOAb6NMibx5ILFb9Ujg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D291.6968%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
Guessed 35 since that's close to what all the straight rural roads near me are unfortunately. I was right! Could easily be 45 or maybe 50.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 11:17:43 PM
3. 25 but it shouldn't be - the apartments are all stowed away behind.
Just to comment about this one - this very specific location appears to be tucked between a residential area with driveways leading out onto the roadway, and a small commercial/warehouse area. Generally if you can't raise the speed limit for more than 1/2 mile, you keep it the same. I can easily see thought that people would want to pick up their speed, and the nearby VASCAR lines know the cops do too. It's just a short, quarter mile stretch of roadway that, if longer, may warrant a higher limit.
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Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 21, 2020, 11:17:43 PM
3. 25 but it shouldn't be - the apartments are all stowed away behind.
Just to comment about this one - this very specific location appears to be tucked between a residential area with driveways leading out onto the roadway, and a small commercial/warehouse area. Generally if you can't raise the speed limit for more than 1/2 mile, you keep it the same. I can easily see thought that people would want to pick up their speed, and the nearby VASCAR lines know the cops do too. It's just a short, quarter mile stretch of roadway that, if longer, may warrant a higher limit.
I see what you mean, but although on one side it hits a busy arterial (after which, IMO, it should be 25), going the other way down the road, it stays relatively straight. There are some apartments on the edge of the road, but the number of driveways isn't huge, they're all mostly on one side (so not too much cross-traffic), and people do 35 or more on the whole thing.
I don't remember if I mentioned this one or not, but PA certainly seems to have a thing for large roads with absurdly low limits. This (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2384736,-75.8528852,3a,67y,63h,79.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s47MLxTOaNLxxUOtz2_bbLg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) four-lane suburban commercial road near Wilkes-Barre is only 25!
Quote from: vdeane on January 22, 2020, 01:08:20 PM
I don't remember if I mentioned this one or not, but PA certainly seems to have a thing for large roads with absurdly low limits. This (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2384736,-75.8528852,3a,67y,63h,79.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s47MLxTOaNLxxUOtz2_bbLg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) four-lane suburban commercial road near Wilkes-Barre is only 25!
On the other hand, it changes to ... 15 mph ... a couple of stoplights later. :no:
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Quote from: vdeane on January 22, 2020, 01:08:20 PM
I don't remember if I mentioned this one or not, but PA certainly seems to have a thing for large roads with absurdly low limits. This (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2384736,-75.8528852,3a,67y,63h,79.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s47MLxTOaNLxxUOtz2_bbLg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) four-lane suburban commercial road near Wilkes-Barre is only 25!
On the other hand, it changes to ... 15 mph ... a couple of stoplights later. :no:
I think that part is a mall parking lot entrance.
It is. It would just bother me anyway because it's still a four-lane divided road there.
I drove on US 31 Alternate in Tennessee last month, and the 30-35 mph limits throughout Nashville and smaller towns made it an annoying slog. You'd get up to 55 for a short stretch and slow down again.
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Then Florida with its 20 mph school zones. Even NJ lets you do 25 mph through a school zone.
Florida is better than parts of Tennessee and Wisconsin which have 15 mph school zones.
It seems to be set by the county. Broward and Miami-Dade have 15 mph school zone speed limits; whereas 20 and 25 are more common throughout the state.
https://goo.gl/maps/BpSUfnjYmwPTnALWA
25 mph on US 22 ( a freeway) in Easton, PA.
https://goo.gl/maps/L63W1n12LoWHLp1X8
Quote from: roadman65 on March 08, 2020, 11:17:21 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/BpSUfnjYmwPTnALWA
25 mph on US 22 ( a freeway) in Easton, PA.
https://goo.gl/maps/L63W1n12LoWHLp1X8
The Expressway Ends about 500 feet from that point...though 35 mph would probably suffice.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 08, 2020, 11:17:21 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/BpSUfnjYmwPTnALWA
25 mph on US 22 ( a freeway) in Easton, PA.
https://goo.gl/maps/L63W1n12LoWHLp1X8
Considering there are no shoulders, and a short on-ramp merge with a lane jog ahead before the bridge, it seems to be a reasonable speed.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 08, 2020, 11:17:21 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/BpSUfnjYmwPTnALWA
25 mph on US 22 ( a freeway) in Easton, PA.
https://goo.gl/maps/L63W1n12LoWHLp1X8
That seems excessively low to me.
Blame the DRJTBC since they own the approach starting where the pavement changes to concrete.
US-31's speed limit actually dropping when it changes from expressway to freeway north of Indianapolis (the expressway section is 60, while the Hamilton County freeway section is 55)
Jetty Rd. in Warrenton, OR has a speed limit of 40, but most people go 60-65 because the road is so straight/flat. If there were warning signs for the side roads it could easily be increased to 55. https://earth.app.goo.gl/nhYArv
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on April 05, 2020, 03:41:01 AM
Jetty Rd. in Warrenton, OR has a speed limit of 40, but most people go 60-65 because the road is so straight/flat. If there were warning signs for the side roads it could easily be increased to 55. https://earth.app.goo.gl/nhYArv
Not everyone has Google Earth.
I'm back in Australia and Melbourne is even worse than it was the first time I lived here.
Almost every freeway in urban Melbourne is 80 km/hr now even under perfect conditions with light traffic. If you take the Tullamarine / CityLink all the way in now, it is absolutely aggravating. It's been widened to 10/12 lanes now for a good portion of it and they still leave it at 80. :banghead:
Worse, every freeway has variable signs now and they'll drop it to 60 at the first sign of congestion or adverse weather.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.7325174,144.9160861,3a,75y,125.53h,88.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scwpp0ZJJlsK5isoe93uQzA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0 (https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.7325174,144.9160861,3a,75y,125.53h,88.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scwpp0ZJJlsK5isoe93uQzA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0)
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Quote from: CovalenceSTU on April 05, 2020, 03:41:01 AM
Jetty Rd. in Warrenton, OR has a speed limit of 40, but most people go 60-65 because the road is so straight/flat. If there were warning signs for the side roads it could easily be increased to 55. https://earth.app.goo.gl/nhYArv
Not everyone has Google Earth.
No, but everyone has access to the Google Earth website, which is where his link directs you. Did you click the link?
Quote from: mrose on April 05, 2020, 08:03:13 AM
I'm back in Australia and Melbourne is even worse than it was the first time I lived here.
Almost every freeway in urban Melbourne is 80 km/hr now even under perfect conditions with light traffic. If you take the Tullamarine / CityLink all the way in now, it is absolutely aggravating. It's been widened to 10/12 lanes now for a good portion of it and they still leave it at 80. :banghead:
Worse, every freeway has variable signs now and they'll drop it to 60 at the first sign of congestion or adverse weather.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.7325174,144.9160861,3a,75y,125.53h,88.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scwpp0ZJJlsK5isoe93uQzA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0 (https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.7325174,144.9160861,3a,75y,125.53h,88.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scwpp0ZJJlsK5isoe93uQzA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0)
I think that would drive me mad.
I have some family near Sydney. They say that traffic usually moves at around 110 km/h, but I also think the limits in Sydney are higher. Does traffic largely ignore the 80 limit?
In the Seattle area, where I live, there is some construction along I-5 (near Tacoma) where the limit has been dropped from the standard 100 km/h to 80 km/h, but everyone is still largely going 110-120 as they were before (at least during quiet hours). At some point, limits become so stupidly low that people stop recognizing them as legitimate; I assume that would be the case with those freeways in Melbourne? Especially if traffic was used to higher limits before.
Someone reminded me of the 35 MPH speed limit on the Nacimiento-Fergusson Road in Fort Hunter Liggett. That road could easily handle 45-55 MPH up to the Los Padres National Forest boundary but is artificially reduced like most military bases are.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 05, 2020, 02:24:33 PM
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Quote from: CovalenceSTU on April 05, 2020, 03:41:01 AM
Jetty Rd. in Warrenton, OR has a speed limit of 40, but most people go 60-65 because the road is so straight/flat. If there were warning signs for the side roads it could easily be increased to 55. https://earth.app.goo.gl/nhYArv
Not everyone has Google Earth.
No, but everyone has access to the Google Earth website, which is where his link directs you. Did you click the link?
On mobile (Android at least), it takes me to the Play Store page for Google Earth. It doesn't go to the web page or the Google Maps app.
I found a bad one, Stevens Dr in Richland, WA.
(https://i.imgur.com/p0Kh7Y4.png)
GSV Link (https://www.google.com/maps/@46.3115094,-119.2843579,3a,61.3y,6.54h,87.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgJCqNB2-6gybYBTke0qfeg!2e0!3e11!7i16384!8i8192)
35 MPH on what's essentially a 6 lane expressway. It does raise to 40 a little ways past this picture, but that's hardly better. It should be 50 or 55, no less than 45. It also appears to be a huge speed trap, as the state highway portion of this road (WA-240) just to the south is 55 MPH, and then it turns into a city street and immediately drops to 35 for no reason.
I used to live in West Richland, but never really had a reason to go that far north.
I was driving this earlier today. Thirty-what?
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2284806,-76.9321619,3a,75y,2.86h,88.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swFChtiBzRTK69QVLx9AIVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Ketchup99 on June 29, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
I was driving this earlier today. Thirty-what?
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2284806,-76.9321619,3a,75y,2.86h,88.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swFChtiBzRTK69QVLx9AIVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
It's not super terrible, recognizing that what appears to be a freeway is approaching a traffic signal in less than half a mile. But I could see 40 or 45 being a bit more palatable.
Quote from: roadfro on June 30, 2020, 11:44:38 AM
Quote from: Ketchup99 on June 29, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
I was driving this earlier today. Thirty-what?
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2284806,-76.9321619,3a,75y,2.86h,88.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swFChtiBzRTK69QVLx9AIVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
It's not super terrible, recognizing that what appears to be a freeway is approaching a traffic signal in less than half a mile. But I could see 40 or 45 being a bit more palatable.
Problem is, traffic was still flowing 60+. Even in the other direction - no signal in sight - it's signed at 45, flow about 70. But a 35 sign when I was almost being run off the road at 55 is never good.
The eastern leg of the CF Harvey Parkway in Kinston, North Carolina that opened sometime last year. It's posted at 60 mph and not 65 or even 70 mph. I watched a video on YouTube about a guy driving on that alignment and he was going like 78-80 mph on it. That's 18-20 mph over the limit. That's WAY over the limit!
No street view in that area so I can't post it but I'm sure you guys know what I'm talking about ;-)
I don't understand the case with the C.F. Harvey Pkwy, IMO.
The design speed for the roadway is 70 mph and is a rural freeway with full control of access.
https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/cf-harvey-parkway/Documents/R5703_Environmental_Assessment.pdf
It's environmental assessment lists it was intended to have a posted speed limit of 65 mph. The southern segment of the parkway closer to US-70 is a similar condition, and has that faster speed limit. The non-controlled-access segment is 60 mph, while transitioning to 65 mph as the freeway starts.
The nearby NC-11 Greenville Bypass was recently complete a couple years ago, and is posted at 70 mph. It also had a design speed of 70 mph.
Question to the Mods/Admins: Should this thread belong in Traffic Control or should it get moved to General Highway Talk?
Revisiting this topic with some examples from my recent roadtrip:
I-79 south of Pittsburgh is 55 until Washington PA for some reason
I-81 drops to 55 in Carslile for some reason
Parts of NC 80 had no speed limit: the car said the speed limit was 55, we were going 35 at most.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 30, 2022, 01:48:55 AM
Revisiting this topic with some examples from my recent roadtrip:
I-79 south of Pittsburgh is 55 until Washington PA for some reason
I-81 drops to 55 in Carslile for some reason
Parts of NC 80 had no speed limit: the car said the speed limit was 55, we were going 35 at most.
I-79 in the Pittsburgh area is way underposted, especially south of I-376. Same with some expressways in Philly, such as US 202 and US 1 (in Chester County).
I-81 in Carlisle has heavy truck traffic and short acceleration lanes, so not surprised there.
55 MPH on I-95 through Philadelphia seemed to be obscenely slow when I was there Philadelphia Meet. Pretty much nobody was following the speed limit and the default traffic flow was closer to 70 MPH.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 30, 2022, 10:42:17 AM
55 MPH on I-95 through Philadelphia seemed to be obscenely slow when I was there Philadelphia Meet. Pretty much nobody was following the speed limit and the default traffic flow was closer to 70 MPH.
That's really the case on most/all 55 mph highways in the Northeast. It's even the case here, and speeds tend to be even higher closer to the Bos/Wash corridor.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 30, 2022, 01:48:55 AM
Parts of NC 80 had no speed limit: the car said the speed limit was 55, we were going 35 at most.
Your GPS was correct. North Carolina state law is that the speed limit is 55 MPH unless otherwise posted (except in cities and towns, where the speed limit is 35 MPH unless otherwise posted). There are still some locations in North Carolina where rural roads leaving town will still have an old "End 45 MPH Limit" sign, rather than the MUTCD-compliant "Speed Limit 55" sign (R2-1).
By the way, you should have seen a bunch of green "Citywide // Speed Limit 35 // Unless // Otherwise Posted" plaques (NCDOT preference in lieu of the R2-5P plaques) whenever entering any city or town.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-BknTkpbYSCY%2FVHVJvo7a-8I%2FAAAAAAAAIY4%2FGAezTjuim28%2Fs1600%2FWelcome%252BNC%252BLaurinburg%252B1b%252B2006%252BWBlog.jpg&hash=8ec7196c352828ae681c349b9877224ed0ec0733)
Quote from: Dirt Roads on August 30, 2022, 02:36:11 PM
By the way, you should have seen a bunch of green "Citywide // Speed Limit 35 // Unless // Otherwise Posted" plaques (NCDOT preference in lieu of the R2-5P plaques) whenever entering any city or town.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-BknTkpbYSCY%2FVHVJvo7a-8I%2FAAAAAAAAIY4%2FGAezTjuim28%2Fs1600%2FWelcome%252BNC%252BLaurinburg%252B1b%252B2006%252BWBlog.jpg&hash=8ec7196c352828ae681c349b9877224ed0ec0733)
Very curious why that sign is styled as a green guide sign instead of a white regulatory sign...
Quote from: roadfro on September 08, 2022, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on August 30, 2022, 02:36:11 PM
By the way, you should have seen a bunch of green "Citywide // Speed Limit 35 // Unless // Otherwise Posted" plaques (NCDOT preference in lieu of the R2-5P plaques) whenever entering any city or town.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-BknTkpbYSCY%2FVHVJvo7a-8I%2FAAAAAAAAIY4%2FGAezTjuim28%2Fs1600%2FWelcome%252BNC%252BLaurinburg%252B1b%252B2006%252BWBlog.jpg&hash=8ec7196c352828ae681c349b9877224ed0ec0733)
Very curious why that sign is styled as a green guide sign instead of a white regulatory sign...
That's been a North Carolina thing for as far back as I remember.