New Jersey

[jeffandnicole]

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Since when does Route 10 go to Denville?

Looks like it goes through Denville to me.  ?

https://goo.gl/maps/8DUe89H267BdCY6Z9

Yeah but not the main part of the Township.

If you make that right onto 10, the next major road, NJ 53 is then signed for Denville.  By taking in the full picture it's signed accurately.

[famartin]

Its an odd choice. Maybe they intend it to be via 53, but otherwise, its probably the only location where Denville is used.

Quite right. I-287 uses Dover.  Some side roads use Ledgewood.  This is the only place that uses Denville, most likely cause Morris County maintains this intersection on US 202.  Notice that Livingston is used here over Whipppany going the other way as well.  The other roads intersecting Route 10 use Whipppany for it.

Only comment on that is that those look like NJDOT installs, not county ones. Which makes sense since NJDOT does maintain 10, so while that section of 202 is county, the intersection itself is probably all NJDOT.

[Alps]

Its an odd choice. Maybe they intend it to be via 53, but otherwise, its probably the only location where Denville is used.

Quite right. I-287 uses Dover.  Some side roads use Ledgewood.  This is the only place that uses Denville, most likely cause Morris County maintains this intersection on US 202.  Notice that Livingston is used here over Whipppany going the other way as well.  The other roads intersecting Route 10 use Whipppany for it.

Only comment on that is that those look like NJDOT installs, not county ones. Which makes sense since NJDOT does maintain 10, so while that section of 202 is county, the intersection itself is probably all NJDOT.

I can also say that there's a lot of cross traffic between 202 and 53, especially during the PM peak when 202 north backs way up from crappily timed signals and only being 1 lane each way. So this may be a way to encourage that traffic to stay on state highways instead of the local back streets that we they use.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/5zhQd7cJcLGRsSXr7
Since when does Route 10 go to Denville?

Looks like it goes through Denville to me.  ?

https://goo.gl/maps/8DUe89H267BdCY6Z9

Yeah but not the main part of the Township.

If you make that right onto 10, the next major road, NJ 53 is then signed for Denville.  By taking in the full picture it's signed accurately.

I get that part, but why use Denville instead of Dover or Ledgewood as I don't think one on US 202 would be interested in knowing how to get to Denville. At least via NJ 10. SB would use I-80 or US 46 and NB would use NJ 53 from its start.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

[storm2k]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

That's interesting to me, because the corresponding shield on the NB side before the intersection is very nicely standard.

[ixnay]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

[jeffandnicole]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

Roughly a 5 - 10 mile portion of US 322 is maintained by Gloucester County.

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

Most of US 202 north of NJ 53 is county-maintained, IIRC.

[storm2k]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

27 is county maintained within parts of New Brunswick. IIRC, the only state road that's actually state maintained inside of the city's borders is 18. All of the other roads (26, 91, 171) were either truncated and end at the city limits or, as in the case of 27, actually maintained by Middlesex County.

Actually, correction on that. It looks like 172 is state maintained from Paul Robeson Blvd (formerly Commercial Ave) to Route 18, although it's also silently multiplexed with CR-527, which the county is absolutely atrocious with signing south of Easton Ave until it splits off 18 in East Brunswick again.

[roadman65]

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[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

27 is county maintained within parts of New Brunswick. IIRC, the only state road that's actually state maintained inside of the city's borders is 18. All of the other roads (26, 91, 171) were either truncated and end at the city limits or, as in the case of 27, actually maintained by Middlesex County.

172 is state-maintained.

[ekt8750]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

NJ 41 is maintained by Camden County within its limits. It also is fully concurrent with CR 544.

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

Roughly a 5 - 10 mile portion of US 322 is maintained by Gloucester County.

They even erroneously signed the stretch as CR 322 for a brief period.

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

NJ 41 is maintained by Camden County within its limits. It also is fully concurrent with CR 544.

Actually just the section between 168 and 154 is concurrent (with CR 573, not 544) and maintained by Camden County (the section signed mostly as "Temp 41").

[roadman65]

NJ 28 in Plainfield is not NJDOT and all numbered routes in Trenton (other than US 1) are not in the state system.

[famartin]

NJ 28 in Plainfield is not NJDOT and all numbered routes in Trenton (other than US 1) are not in the state system.

29 and 129 in Trenton are NJDOT.

[storm2k]

Actually was curious about the 202 thing. Why is it county maintained north of 53? Just so the state can get it off its books and not pay for the upkeep? Just a curiosity thing as most state highways aren't maintained by non-state agencies except it seems in various cities.

[famartin]

Actually was curious about the 202 thing. Why is it county maintained north of 53? Just so the state can get it off its books and not pay for the upkeep? Just a curiosity thing as most state highways aren't maintained by non-state agencies except it seems in various cities.

I guess a really good question would be whether it was always under county jurisdiction, or if NJDOT transferred it to the counties, say around the time I-287 was being planned and/or built. Having driven its entirety in NJ (twice, actually), it certainly isn't up to your typical NJDOT highway quality at all. (Well, certain stretches are, but overall, I wouldn't look at it and think it was state-maintained or designed).

[ekt8750]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

NJ 41 is maintained by Camden County within its limits. It also is fully concurrent with CR 544.

Actually just the section between 168 and 154 is concurrent (with CR 573, not 544) and maintained by Camden County (the section signed mostly as "Temp 41").

Yeah I always get those two screwed up. I believe the whole "Temp" thing came out of an unbuilt bypass that 41 was supposed to run along. Officially they dropped the Temp designation but never removed the signs.

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/etZaph4bna2sSjzu9
Cut out US 202 shield in NJ on US 202 SB at CR 609 in Wayne.

I took a picture of that in 2018. It doesn't look that old, so my guess is that the county made it custom (that part of 202 is county maintained).

From where to where?  And does NJ have other stretches of road that are U.S. or state highway signed yet county maintained?

ixnay

NJ 41 is maintained by Camden County within its limits. It also is fully concurrent with CR 544.

Actually just the section between 168 and 154 is concurrent (with CR 573, not 544) and maintained by Camden County (the section signed mostly as "Temp 41").

Yeah I always get those two screwed up. I believe the whole "Temp" thing came out of an unbuilt bypass that 41 was supposed to run along. Officially they dropped the Temp designation but never removed the signs.

Pretty much. Its understandable, there is a section concurrent with 544 where both cross from Gloucester into Camden, but that part is state maintained.

[NE2]

202 was always county maintained north of 53.

[SignBridge]

Why would New Jersey have any state roads maintained by Counties instead of by State DOT? Does NJDOT pay the Counties for maintaining those routes?

[famartin]

Why would New Jersey have any state roads maintained by Counties instead of by State DOT? Does NJDOT pay the Counties for maintaining those routes?

I believe NJDOT distributes a lot of money to the counties.

Its interesting comparing NJ to VA. In NJ, most roads are under non-state jurisdiction except mostly for major highways, while in VA, most roads including many rather small residential streets are under state jurisdiction.

[SignBridge]

Yes, I am familiar with the Virginia practices. Friends of mine used to live in Loudoun County near Leesburg. I remember the state road maintenance of neighborhood roads. It was quite a surprise at the time in 1989.