We've talked about the use of "control states" and the infamous Del Mem Br.
How about counties or other unusual destinations?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3374/5792182964_14993f50e7_z.jpg)
"Unusual destinations"
It's not unusual to see sports venues mentioned on BGSs. To see them used in lieu of a control city is rather unusual, though. I suppose in this case there is no good "control city" available since you've already entered it:
http://goo.gl/maps/AAZoH
Is Camden a destination? I would say it's unusual because nobody wants to go there.
Also, Thru Traffic.
Additionally, on a US route that parallels an Interstate, sometimes the US route will have the nearest big city listed, even though the Interstate is much faster. Often, the sign predates the Interstate.
Quote from: 1 on November 25, 2014, 02:56:50 PM
Is Camden a destination? I would say it's unusual because nobody wants to go there.
...unless you're going to the Philadelphia area's primary outdoor concert venue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susquehanna_Bank_Center), or a major commuter campus of the state university (http://www.camden.rutgers.edu/), or the state aquarium (http://www.adventureaquarium.com/)...
Quote from: 1 on November 25, 2014, 02:56:50 PM
Is Camden a destination? I would say it's unusual because nobody wants to go there.
Now that's not very nice....
My personal favorite is NJ Turnpike or G S Parkway when there already is a Turnpike or Parkway shield accompanying the destination.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2Fnwhf60.png&hash=4099f692289d1694cb3dc5d9d428cac1b4bad113)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi59.tinypic.com%2Fvazaf.png&hash=f8142269f399413154c63ffe5ddd0387090fd869)
Quote from: 1 on November 25, 2014, 02:56:50 PM
Is Camden a destination? I would say it's unusual because nobody wants to go there.
Also, Thru Traffic.
Additionally, on a US route that parallels an Interstate, sometimes the US route will have the nearest big city listed, even though the Interstate is much faster. Often, the sign predates the Interstate.
Like US 22 having "New York" or "New York City" on I-287 even when its nearby interstate used "Newark." Plus now, even though the signs on I-78 use "New York City," at least I-78 goes to NYC, but US 22 does not and in some cases you have to use I-78 to get there from US 22's endpoint, especially now that the Pulaski Skyway is closed for two years.
Yeah, I know that one, but not really that unusual as it is so common in many places.
Certainly "other Desert Cities" has to be mentioned.
Quote from: Zeffy on November 25, 2014, 05:02:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 25, 2014, 02:56:50 PM
Is Camden a destination? I would say it's unusual because nobody wants to go there.
Now that's not very nice....
My personal favorite is NJ Turnpike or G S Parkway when there already is a Turnpike or Parkway shield accompanying the destination.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2918/14599710302_30d9a6fc8d_c.jpg)
Far right sign - from the department of redundancy department (https://flic.kr/p/of8ke9)
Quote from: briantroutman on November 25, 2014, 07:16:54 PM
Certainly "other Desert Cities" has to be mentioned.
As well as "Beach Cities."
I liked the use of "The WEST" or "The NORTH" on motorways in England - I understand they don't use those anymore.
oh - right...
Delaware 1 - Dover - BEACHES!!!!
Quote from: DTComposer on November 25, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
I liked the use of "The WEST" or "The NORTH" on motorways in England...
The PTC still has some "...And West" signs on the Turnpike.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F9b%2FPennsylvania_Turnpike_westbound.jpg&hash=a8de85e897b9c94f5eecefc752d43159c4a94ca7)
Where's the interchange name? :P
Maine has a few interesting ones...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8373/8596904968_987d55ceb1_z.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7431/13628397345_fe1498de99_z.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7106/8159689321_7d66b56c43_z.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8597744759_55451bbcdb_z.jpg)
So does New Hampshire...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8596868422_4f75ec32ee_z.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8596867910_30a91077ac_z.jpg)
^ I've seen a pic in another thread (can't find it right now) where a liquor store used an old sign for their private use, but never thought I would see one as a destination (in blue no less!). That's really cool!
Quote from: Zeffy on November 25, 2014, 05:02:02 PM
My personal favorite is NJ Turnpike or G S Parkway when there already is a Turnpike or Parkway shield accompanying the destination.
Because it's so easy to read the text in the NJTP/GSP shields.
Quote from: cjk374 on November 25, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
^ I've seen a pic in another thread (can't find it right now) where a liquor store used an old sign for their private use, but never thought I would see one as a destination (in blue no less!). That's really cool!
Don't have a photo, but Globe Liquors on US 44 in Taunton, MA has a sign that looks exactly like a highway BGS.
Quote from: roadman on November 26, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on November 25, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
^ I've seen a pic in another thread (can't find it right now) where a liquor store used an old sign for their private use, but never thought I would see one as a destination (in blue no less!). That's really cool!
Don't have a photo, but Globe Liquors on US 44 in Taunton, MA has a sign that looks exactly like a highway BGS.
http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/us_44/
Quote from: NE2 on November 26, 2014, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: roadman on November 26, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on November 25, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
^ I've seen a pic in another thread (can't find it right now) where a liquor store used an old sign for their private use, but never thought I would see one as a destination (in blue no less!). That's really cool!
Don't have a photo, but Globe Liquors on US 44 in Taunton, MA has a sign that looks exactly like a highway BGS.
http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/us_44/
Pub 97 on the Georgetown/Groveland line on MA 97 has a
US 97 logo.
Google Maps link (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.734901,-71.013994&spn=0.004492,0.006834&t=m&z=17) (go into Street View yourself, since my Adobe Flash player is out of date and I can't access it)
Quote from: NE2 on November 26, 2014, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: roadman on November 26, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on November 25, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
^ I've seen a pic in another thread (can't find it right now) where a liquor store used an old sign for their private use, but never thought I would see one as a destination (in blue no less!). That's really cool!
Don't have a photo, but Globe Liquors on US 44 in Taunton, MA has a sign that looks exactly like a highway BGS.
http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/us_44/
Thanks. Never saw the sign from that angle, so I didn't realize it was actually a recycled BGS.
I don't think tourist destinations like sporting arenas, amusement parks, etc., are all that unusual.
I'm thinking more like unusual geopolitical entities, like counties.
I saw the "Shore Points" sign for I-195 on the NJ Turnpike in a photo somewhere else this morning; I suppose that might count.
In before The Amboys etc.
Quote from: 1 on November 25, 2014, 02:56:50 PM
Is Camden a destination? I would say it's unusual because nobody wants to go there.
Also, Thru Traffic.
Additionally, on a US route that parallels an Interstate, sometimes the US route will have the nearest big city listed, even though the Interstate is much faster. Often, the sign predates the Interstate.
Not US, but "Cape Cod" on Morrissey Blvd. just south of Columbia Rd. in Boston fits this pattern.
Quote from: cjk374 on November 25, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
^ I've seen a pic in another thread (can't find it right now) where a liquor store used an old sign for their private use, but never thought I would see one as a destination (in blue no less!). That's really cool!
In New Hampshire, liquor stores act as rest areas as well...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8596869236_bb2609f23d_z.jpg)
(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6225/6370377143_b7666fa41d_z.jpg)
(1st photo along I-95 NB near Hampton, 2nd at the liquor store on I-93 in Hooksett)
Quote from: Ian on November 26, 2014, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on November 25, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
^ I've seen a pic in another thread (can't find it right now) where a liquor store used an old sign for their private use, but never thought I would see one as a destination (in blue no less!). That's really cool!
In New Hampshire, liquor stores act as rest areas as well...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8596869236_bb2609f23d_z.jpg)
(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6225/6370377143_b7666fa41d_z.jpg)
(1st photo along I-95 NB near Hampton, 2nd at the liquor store on I-93 in Hooksett)
For the unaware, New Hampshire's state-monopoly liquor prices are 20-30% cheaper than Massachusetts's, so the liquor stores along highways in the southern part of the state are very, very busy. It's very rare for me to buy hard liquor in Massachusetts, since it's reasonable to expect I'll end up in New Hampshire at least once every month or two.
I know a guy who lives in East Sullivan, Maine, and drives to New Hampshire twice a year specifically to buy liquor at the Portsmouth store.
I've always found it funny how the stores advertise lottery tickets so prominently. Do the liquor stores have a monopoly on lottery sales?
Quote from: briantroutman on November 25, 2014, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on November 25, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
I liked the use of "The WEST" or "The NORTH" on motorways in England...
The PTC still has some "...And West" signs on the Turnpike.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F9b%2FPennsylvania_Turnpike_westbound.jpg&hash=a8de85e897b9c94f5eecefc752d43159c4a94ca7)
New Jersey has "and north" and "and south" on the Turnpike.
Massachusetts used
Mass Pike
Points West
for many years, which of course made 10-year-old me have to say "Doesn't that depend which way you're facing?"
Quote from: briantroutman on November 25, 2014, 07:16:54 PM
Certainly "other Desert Cities" has to be mentioned.
And since you mentioned it, I'll mention to not bother to see the play by the same name.
As a followup to the first page's stadium bit, I-5 and I-90 near downtown Seattle have BGSs that advertise the stadiums:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0mCVC7p.png&hash=726b214309785175fa499d62e177a893cc6ae840)
But, I wouldn't consider their adverts as being "unusual" because they're fairly important things you might want to visit while in the city.
My point was merely that I don't think I've seen many pull-through signs with the sports venue used in the "control city" position. Those Seattle signs don't change my comment due to where the names are.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
My point was merely that I don't think I've seen many pull-through signs with the sports venue used in the "control city" position. Those Seattle signs don't change my comment due to where the names are.
Oh, so you're saying in the 16-inch destination/control city box, not just on the sign (somewhere).
(https://i.imgur.com/emlsx.gif)
Quote from: jakeroot on November 26, 2014, 10:09:20 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
My point was merely that I don't think I've seen many pull-through signs with the sports venue used in the "control city" position. Those Seattle signs don't change my comment due to where the names are.
Oh, so you're saying in the 16-inch destination area. That makes sense now.
Not exactly a BGS...more like a LGS, but it is over I-20 (WB):
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2bmgc5z1mha18z2cmzopz2u
This is the next exit down from the one above:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2bmge8z1mh6knz2cmzopz2u
I-20 WB coming into Monroe, LA:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2blyyxz1nle87z2m0zofz2u
I-20 WB in Monroe, LA:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2bm5u3z1nk166z2akzofz2u
Quote from: briantroutman on November 25, 2014, 08:33:41 PM
The PTC still has some "...And West" signs on the Turnpike.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F9b%2FPennsylvania_Turnpike_westbound.jpg&hash=a8de85e897b9c94f5eecefc752d43159c4a94ca7)
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 25, 2014, 08:38:34 PM
Where's the interchange name? :P
The PTC also has an unnamed / un-tabbed sign (That says "Exit 75" instead of "Exit Lane") approaching New Stanton, also traveling WB:
http://goo.gl/maps/emrR7
"Sports Complex" is a NJ favorite, since "Meadowlands" is the name of the region, and putting all three words would be excessive. Good thing, since naming rights now make specific stadium names a future replacement liability (looking at you, Massachusetts, with your "TD Garden" overlays).
Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 28, 2014, 11:36:43 AM
"Sports Complex" is a NJ favorite, since "Meadowlands" is the name of the region, and putting all three words would be excessive. Good thing, since naming rights now make specific stadium names a future replacement liability (looking at you, Massachusetts, with your "TD Garden" overlays).
You'll still find signs for the "E-Center" or "Entertainment Center", the outdoor concert venue in Camden, NJ off of I-676 which originally was called the E-Center, then the Tweeter Center, then the Susquehanna Center. Susquehanna Bank was recently sold, so that name will probably change again.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
I know a guy who lives in East Sullivan, Maine, and drives to New Hampshire twice a year specifically to buy liquor at the Portsmouth store.
I've always found it funny how the stores advertise lottery tickets so prominently. Do the liquor stores have a monopoly on lottery sales?
It's no longer the case, but for several years NH state liquor stores were the only place you could buy NH lottery tickets. At one point, the highway signs for the liquor stores included the legend "LOTTERY TICKETS" as well.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 26, 2014, 11:49:52 AM
I don't think tourist destinations like sporting arenas, amusement parks, etc., are all that unusual.
I'm thinking more like unusual geopolitical entities, like counties.
I saw the "Shore Points" sign for I-195 on the NJ Turnpike in a photo somewhere else this morning; I suppose that might count.
"Shore Points" used to be common in NJ - it was the eastern destination on I-195 before being changed to Belmar, it was signed as the destination for 70 East at its origin by the Airport Circle in Pennsauken... NJDOT has stopped using it on new signs, but NJTA is still using it.
The signs at the 38/70 split (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9340961,-75.0743931,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sz6ipA-hrkdbysY4kXtQHZQ!2e0) are now [East NJ 38 To NJ TPK - Cherry Hill - Moorestown - Shopping Malls] and [East NJ 70 To (NJ 72 NJ 37) - Cherry Hill - Business Dist], which might qualify.
Quote from: roadman on November 28, 2014, 12:20:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
I know a guy who lives in East Sullivan, Maine, and drives to New Hampshire twice a year specifically to buy liquor at the Portsmouth store.
I've always found it funny how the stores advertise lottery tickets so prominently. Do the liquor stores have a monopoly on lottery sales?
It's no longer the case, but for several years NH state liquor stores were the only place you could buy NH lottery tickets. At one point, the highway signs for the liquor stores included the legend "LOTTERY TICKETS" as well.
Until several years ago, it was "SWEEPS TICKETS." I liked the uniqueness of that.
Does a university count as an unusual destination (Indiana Toll Road, Exit 77)?
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 28, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
Does a university count as an unusual destination (Indiana Toll Road, Exit 77)?
Notre Dame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame,_Indiana) is a census-designated place. Otherwise, it might.
Thanks Ian for the pic, I hope you don't mind if I use it to point something out:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8596868422_4f75ec32ee_z.jpg)
New Hampshire uses state initials when there is unlikely to be an ambiguity about which Portsmouth they're talking about. Given that sign's existence, I always found it weird that "Salem NH" isn't a control city on I-93. There's a Salem, MA not too far away so it seems more likely that confusion would exist.
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 28, 2014, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: roadman on November 28, 2014, 12:20:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
I know a guy who lives in East Sullivan, Maine, and drives to New Hampshire twice a year specifically to buy liquor at the Portsmouth store.
I've always found it funny how the stores advertise lottery tickets so prominently. Do the liquor stores have a monopoly on lottery sales?
It's no longer the case, but for several years NH state liquor stores were the only place you could buy NH lottery tickets. At one point, the highway signs for the liquor stores included the legend "LOTTERY TICKETS" as well.
Until several years ago, it was "SWEEPS TICKETS." I liked the uniqueness of that.
Had forgotten about that, even though I travel I-93 quite frequently, even when I was a kid riding with my parents.
Quote from: pianocello on November 28, 2014, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 28, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
Does a university count as an unusual destination (Indiana Toll Road, Exit 77)?
Notre Dame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame,_Indiana) is a census-designated place. Otherwise, it might.
In the early to mid '90s, this stretch of I-20 was repaved and new signs installed replacing the original ones installed when the interstate was built. The sign pictured below is still there now:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2bn33ez1n6k32zqbzobz2u
But exit signs for exit 84 in Ruston used to have this on all 3 advance exit signs in each direction. All of the locals still call it "The Tech exit". Here is one of the current advance exit signs: http://www.instantstreetview.com/2bn2tkz1n6rt1zqmzpcz2u
The next exit west of there (81) is Grambling: http://www.instantstreetview.com/2bn3crz1n6fj5z26pzp6z2u
This sign was installed 2 years ago because of the opening of the museum. The old signs were long stating the following control points and no LA 149 shield:
GRAMBLING
GRAMBLING STATE UNIV
The current signs: http://www.instantstreetview.com/2bn39fz1n6m9qz289zp6z2u
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Thanks Ian for the pic, I hope you don't mind if I use it to point something out:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8596868422_4f75ec32ee_z.jpg)
New Hampshire uses state initials when there is unlikely to be an ambiguity about which Portsmouth they're talking about. Given that sign's existence, I always found it weird that "Salem NH" isn't a control city on I-93. There's a Salem, MA not too far away so it seems more likely that confusion would exist.
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Virginia uses the state initials for Great Falls because there's another Great Falls right across the river in Maryland (theoretically the same Great Falls since the national park extends across the river around the actual falls).
Virginia also uses the state initials on distance signs listing the small town of Washington, Virginia, so as to distinguish it from the better-known US capital. The town is west of Warrenton and is often referred to as "Little Washington," a name popularized by the very famous Inn at Little Washington, a five-star restaurant and country inn located there.
Before Indiana changed the control city on I-70 east from Indianapolis to Dayton, they always signed the control city "Columbus OH". There is a Columbus, Indiana, but it is south of Indianapolis on I-65 and never signed as a control city.
New signage from recent construction has changed it correctly, but the exit to I-74 west from I-465 used to refer to "Peoria Il" (note lower case L), which in a sans-serif font looks very confusing.
Quote from: jhuntin1 on November 30, 2014, 12:04:35 PM
New signage from recent construction has changed it correctly, but the exit to I-74 west from I-465 used to refer to "Peoria Il" (note lower case L), which in a sans-serif font looks very confusing.
Kim Jong II.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 28, 2014, 10:01:41 PM
Virginia uses the state initials for Great Falls because there's another Great Falls right across the river in Maryland (theoretically the same Great Falls since the national park extends across the river around the actual falls).
Since the falls themselves are technically entirely in Maryland, I suppose that makes sense, though the place name Great Falls is in Virginia (it's a conspiracy to confuse people).
I have seen a few signs in Maryland that read Great Falls MD.
I always loved the gigantic, all caps, DOWNTOWN, for the exit from I-75 to I-475 south of Flint. Nothing else, just DOWNTOWN.
This has since been changed to DOWNTOWN, with Flint underneath.
Still nothing compared to "THRU TRAFFIC" on a couple of signs throughout the country.
I don't really get this sign, the destination legend has "Exits" like it was part of the destination (at this point, you already are in New Brunswick proper, so it's just a matter of where you would be trying to go).
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5006309,-74.4424154,3a,21.3y,123.44h,100.66t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sSxPNMH8CqMrfn964mG7KTA!2e0
Quote from: Zeffy on December 01, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
I don't really get this sign
That's because you didn't continue to the exit: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.495918,-74.439776&spn=0.00585,0.012392&cbll=40.495976,-74.439798&layer=c&panoid=j2odvToYKRAdH-a2AJGGKw&cbp=12,173.84,,1,-8.13&t=h&z=17
Yes, it's a weird way of signing a C/D/frontage road.
Quote from: NE2 on December 01, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on December 01, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
I don't really get this sign
That's because you didn't continue to the exit: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.495918,-74.439776&spn=0.00585,0.012392&cbll=40.495976,-74.439798&layer=c&panoid=j2odvToYKRAdH-a2AJGGKw&cbp=12,173.84,,1,-8.13&t=h&z=17
Yes, it's a weird way of signing a C/D/frontage road.
Wow, I can't tell you how many times I've used that portion of 18 almost weekly and I never connected the legend on the first sign to the legend on the exit sign. :banghead:
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Thanks Ian for the pic, I hope you don't mind if I use it to point something out:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8596868422_4f75ec32ee_z.jpg)
New Hampshire uses state initials when there is unlikely to be an ambiguity about which Portsmouth they're talking about. Given that sign's existence, I always found it weird that "Salem NH" isn't a control city on I-93. There's a Salem, MA not too far away so it seems more likely that confusion would exist.
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
That's so you don't confuse it with, say, the Portsmouth that Portsmouth Naval Shipyard is in.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Washington VA.
Quote from: NE2 on December 01, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Washington VA.
Pennsylvania disambiguates Washington, PA from Washington DC on I-70 (even if they're far enough from each other with one south of Pittsburgh on I-70 and the other "referenced" from Breezewood (of all places))
Quote from: NE2 on December 01, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Washington VA.Quote from: SSOWorld on December 01, 2014, 01:45:58 PMPennsylvania disambiguates Washington, PA from Washington DC on I-70 (even if they're far enough from each other with one south of Pittsburgh on I-70 and the other "referenced" from Breezewood (of all places))
Beat me to it; Washington, PA (http://goo.gl/maps/FkYWO)
Quote from: NE2 on December 01, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Washington VA.
You can also find signs for Jamestown, KY and Jamestown, TN on and along US 127 in Clinton County, Ky.
And westbound traffic on US 460 past the Blacksburg/Christiansburg area signs for Bluefield, WV; while eastbound traffic on US 460 from the Kentucky state line eastward signs merely for Bluefield. I don't recall seeing any Bluefield, VA signs along that route.
Quote from: NE2 on December 01, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on December 01, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
I don't really get this sign
That's because you didn't continue to the exit: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.495918,-74.439776&spn=0.00585,0.012392&cbll=40.495976,-74.439798&layer=c&panoid=j2odvToYKRAdH-a2AJGGKw&cbp=12,173.84,,1,-8.13&t=h&z=17
Yes, it's a weird way of signing a C/D/frontage road.
Is "Old Bridge" a town, or actually an old bridge?
Quote from: cjk374 on December 01, 2014, 06:46:48 PM
Is "Old Bridge" a town, or actually an old bridge?
No.
It's a township and an unincorporated community in East Brunswick Township. The latter is a relatively major junction point if you look at a map. The current bridge at the site is an ugly 1998 job (http://uglybridges.com/1366432).
Quote from: hbelkins on December 01, 2014, 04:17:03 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 01, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Washington VA.
You can also find signs for Jamestown, KY and Jamestown, TN on and along US 127 in Clinton County, Ky.
And westbound traffic on US 460 past the Blacksburg/Christiansburg area signs for Bluefield, WV; while eastbound traffic on US 460 from the Kentucky state line eastward signs merely for Bluefield. I don't recall seeing any Bluefield, VA signs along that route.
It has struck me as odd for decades that for the same exit just inside Connecticut on I-84, Massachusetts signs "Holland MA" and "Union CT," while Connecticut signs "Union" and "Holland Mass."
I guess Connecticut only feels the need to distinguish with the out-of-state town. Perhaps both feel people will think "Holland" alone leads to Rotterdam? Couldn't be.
Does Massachusetts append both states at any other border exits?
In Louisiana I've also seen "Racetrack" and "Industries" used.
Exit 17A on I-220 in Bossier City had Racetrack until recently when it was changed to E. Texas St.
Exit 78 on I-20 puts "Industry" at LA 563
and I believe there was "Industries" in the Lake Charles area as well. Maybe at I-210 exit 1A/ I-10 exit 26?
I feel like "Allentown" should be disambiguated on I-195 in NJ. I've lived in NJ for 23 years and still haven't heard of it except for the control city and exit destination. Allentown, PA, however, is close enough and pretty well known, though there isn't a very good way to get there from where it's used as a destination. Maybe via US 1 and the PA Turnpike?
Quote from: bzakharin on December 02, 2014, 03:40:23 PM
I feel like "Allentown" should be disambiguated on I-195 in NJ. I've lived in NJ for 23 years and still haven't heard of it except for the control city and exit destination. Allentown, PA, however, is close enough and pretty well known, though there isn't a very good way to get there from where it's used as a destination. Maybe via US 1 and the PA Turnpike?
it's not very close at all. (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Allentown,+NJ/Allentown,+PA/@40.3859606,-75.3729781,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c17dd95add8e3f:0x6a9941ef5d6e4ad4!2m2!1d-74.5834887!2d40.1778886!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c439929f4adce1:0xeaf9df4b246824a1!2m2!1d-75.4901833!2d40.6084305)
There used to be the Salem NH / Salem MA problem, where people looking for Salem MA ended up in Salem NH.
Quote from: 1 on December 02, 2014, 04:37:31 PM
There used to be the Salem NH / Salem MA problem, where people looking for Salem MA ended up in Salem NH.
What changed?
Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 02, 2014, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 02, 2014, 04:37:31 PM
There used to be the Salem NH / Salem MA problem, where people looking for Salem MA ended up in Salem NH.
What changed?
"Concord NH" is used now (although I think Manchester would be better).
Quote from: 1 on December 02, 2014, 04:37:31 PM
There used to be the Salem NH / Salem MA problem, where people looking for Salem MA ended up in Salem NH.
I know for the Manchester, MA vs. Manchester, NH; the former was officially renamed Manchester-By-the-Sea circa 1989. Although some newer BGS' (http://goo.gl/maps/M82ux) & LGS' (http://goo.gl/maps/a9p9V) still use just
Manchester when referring to the seaport town.
NJ likes to point people to a ferry that is 130 miles away: http://goo.gl/maps/HG1Oh
There is also the infamous "Del Water Gap" on I-80 west. As someone once said, its a control geological formation. Yes, I realize there is a borough called Delaware Water Gap across the river in PA, but NJDOT likely doesn't. They don't even acknowledge the larger Stroudsburg PA!
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 02, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
NJ likes to point people to a ferry that is 130 miles away: http://goo.gl/maps/HG1Oh
In the same vein, I've always liked the "Tacony Palmyra Bridge" signs that dot South Jersey - this one around 60 miles away in Somers Point:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=39.311895,-74.612714&spn=0.000004,0.00327&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.31183,-74.613313&panoid=9LcuMW1dXpSkrjLEwIqRsg&cbp=12,90.06,,0,4.39 (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=39.311895,-74.612714&spn=0.000004,0.00327&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.31183,-74.613313&panoid=9LcuMW1dXpSkrjLEwIqRsg&cbp=12,90.06,,0,4.39)
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on December 02, 2014, 08:38:48 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 02, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
NJ likes to point people to a ferry that is 130 miles away: http://goo.gl/maps/HG1Oh
In the same vein, I've always liked the "Tacony Palmyra Bridge" signs that dot South Jersey - this one around 60 miles away in Somers Point:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=39.311895,-74.612714&spn=0.000004,0.00327&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.31183,-74.613313&panoid=9LcuMW1dXpSkrjLEwIqRsg&cbp=12,90.06,,0,4.39 (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=39.311895,-74.612714&spn=0.000004,0.00327&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.31183,-74.613313&panoid=9LcuMW1dXpSkrjLEwIqRsg&cbp=12,90.06,,0,4.39)
There are a lot of them, aren't there? I had begun to wonder if maybe it was because it was the first bridge crossing from south Jersey to Pennsylvania, and the signs were there to say "this is the only way to get across the Delaware." That's not the case, though; the Ben Franklin predates it by three years (and the Trenton Makes bridge's predecessor beats that to existence by 120 years, even though that wouldn't be all that convenient for someone in Salem county.)
A mid-century marketing plan gone horribly malignant, perhaps?
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 02, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
NJ likes to point people to a ferry that is 130 miles away: http://goo.gl/maps/HG1Oh
It's odd that it has BGS status, but less so that it's signed there. Both roads lead to/toward Delaware; it's important to realize which one you need to be on.
QuoteThere is also the infamous "Del Water Gap" on I-80 west. As someone once said, its a control geological formation. Yes, I realize there is a borough called Delaware Water Gap across the river in PA, but NJDOT likely doesn't. They don't even acknowledge the larger Stroudsburg PA!
I was wondering when that was going to come up. It's usually one of the first in any unusual-destination-type thread, and certainly the oddest one posted that much in this part of the country.
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 02, 2014, 04:57:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 02, 2014, 04:37:31 PM
There used to be the Salem NH / Salem MA problem, where people looking for Salem MA ended up in Salem NH.
I know for the Manchester, MA vs. Manchester, NH; the former was officially renamed Manchester-By-the-Sea circa 1989. Although some newer BGS' (http://goo.gl/maps/M82ux) & LGS' (http://goo.gl/maps/a9p9V) still use just Manchester when referring to the seaport town.
The
Globe went heavily into this in a recent article: (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/09/19/manchester-sea-deals-with-being-manchester-sea/bMyOn1umw86skRv9juQH8J/story.html)
This happens via a ritual that everyone in the "Manchester" camp has been through many times.
"Where do you live?" the ritual begins.
"Manchester."
"New Hampshire?"
At this point, the resident will offer some other descriptive — "North Shore" or "Cape Ann" or "Near Gloucester." Anything that will save them from the words coming out of their mouth.
"Ohhh . . . " the ritual concludes, as the person catches on. It is here their tone changes, as if they've spied the ruse by placing a monocle to their eye. ". . . by-the-Sea."
There's the equally infamous (or maybe famous, depending on perspective) destination of "Mackinac Bridge" that is used as the bottom control city on mileage signs and on all BGS pull-throughs on I-75 North pretty much everywhere north of Flint.
I don't know how common this is, but the unincorporated area of Cementville is one of the destinations for Exit 7 (IN 60) on I-65 in Indiana.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 02, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
There is also the infamous "Del Water Gap" on I-80 west. As someone once said, its a control geological formation. Yes, I realize there is a borough called Delaware Water Gap across the river in PA, but NJDOT likely doesn't. They don't even acknowledge the larger Stroudsburg PA!
It's probably referring to the national recreation area by that name, which is partially in NJ. After all, NJ seems to be allergic to signing out of state locations when they're not in NYC, hence no Srtoudsburg. Alternatively, it could be the Delaware Water Gap Toll Bridge, since NJ likes signing bridges, but I don't think anyone calls it that.
"Zarephath" is on a supplemental guide sign for I-287 Exit 12 in New Jersey:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.54507,-74.534704,3a,15y,337.45h,88.53t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sKQWECatC2kj-nc6gIoRNRw!2e0
Zarephath is an unincorporated census-designated-place within Franklin Township.
EDIT: Really? That mistake was just stupid of me... :banghead:
Quote from: bzakharin on December 08, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 02, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
There is also the infamous "Del Water Gap" on I-80 west. As someone once said, its a control geological formation. Yes, I realize there is a borough called Delaware Water Gap across the river in PA, but NJDOT likely doesn't. They don't even acknowledge the larger Stroudsburg PA!
It's probably referring to the national recreation area by that name, which is partially in NJ. After all, NJ seems to be allergic to signing out of state locations when they're not in NYC, hence no Stroudsburg. Alternatively, it could be the Delaware Water Gap Toll Bridge, since NJ likes signing bridges, but I don't think anyone calls it that.
I beg to differ. Stroudsburg is indeed signed on I-80 pull-through signs heading west. Also, fixed your typo.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 08, 2014, 08:14:16 AM
I don't know how common this is, but the unincorporated area of Cementville is one of the destinations for Exit 7 (IN 60) on I-65 in Indiana.
Unincorporated places are quite commonly used on exit signage in Kentucky. The most famous ones are probably Waddy and Peytona, which are listed for the I-64 KY 395 exit between Shelbyville in Frankfort. When that stretch of 64 was rebuilt, the new exit signs in one direction read "Peytona Waddy" instead of "Waddy Peytona." It cause a minor outburst and the Courier-Journal actually wrote a story about it.
http://archive.courier-journal.com/article/20110320/NEWS01/303210012/Peytona-Waddy-Locals-irked-by-highway-sign-change
Quote from: signalman on December 08, 2014, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 08, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 02, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
There is also the infamous "Del Water Gap" on I-80 west. As someone once said, its a control geological formation. Yes, I realize there is a borough called Delaware Water Gap across the river in PA, but NJDOT likely doesn't. They don't even acknowledge the larger Stroudsburg PA!
It's probably referring to the national recreation area by that name, which is partially in NJ. After all, NJ seems to be allergic to signing out of state locations when they're not in NYC, hence no Stroudsburg. Alternatively, it could be the Delaware Water Gap Toll Bridge, since NJ likes signing bridges, but I don't think anyone calls it that.
I beg to differ. Stroudsburg is indeed signed on I-80 pull-through signs heading west. Also, fixed your typo.
You are right, looks like it's first mentioned at Exit 26. Didn't notice it before. I still stand by my reason why it's omitted east of there.
Quote from: bzakharin on December 08, 2014, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: signalman on December 08, 2014, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 08, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 02, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
There is also the infamous "Del Water Gap" on I-80 west. As someone once said, its a control geological formation. Yes, I realize there is a borough called Delaware Water Gap across the river in PA, but NJDOT likely doesn't. They don't even acknowledge the larger Stroudsburg PA!
It's probably referring to the national recreation area by that name, which is partially in NJ. After all, NJ seems to be allergic to signing out of state locations when they're not in NYC, hence no Stroudsburg. Alternatively, it could be the Delaware Water Gap Toll Bridge, since NJ likes signing bridges, but I don't think anyone calls it that.
I beg to differ. Stroudsburg is indeed signed on I-80 pull-through signs heading west. Also, fixed your typo.
You are right, looks like it's first mentioned at Exit 26. Didn't notice it before. I still stand by my reason why it's omitted east of there.
Yeah, east of exit 26, NJDOT will use NJ control cities. Regardless of how small/unimportant they are (Netcong).
Quote from: hbelkins on December 08, 2014, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 08, 2014, 08:14:16 AM
I don't know how common this is, but the unincorporated area of Cementville is one of the destinations for Exit 7 (IN 60) on I-65 in Indiana.
Unincorporated places are quite commonly used on exit signage in Kentucky. The most famous ones are probably Waddy and Peytona, which are listed for the I-64 KY 395 exit between Shelbyville in Frankfort. When that stretch of 64 was rebuilt, the new exit signs in one direction read "Peytona Waddy" instead of "Waddy Peytona." It cause a minor outburst and the Courier-Journal actually wrote a story about it.
http://archive.courier-journal.com/article/20110320/NEWS01/303210012/Peytona-Waddy-Locals-irked-by-highway-sign-change
I've noticed similar activity in the Seattle area. The best example(s) is/are along State Route 512 south of Tacoma (a 12 mile long suburban freeway), where both "Parkland" and "South Hill" are used as control points at various locations along the freeway. Neither of these locations are cities; both are indeed CDPs. The farther north you go into Seattle (and likewise, the farther south you go into Seattle from northern areas), the less you'll see CDPs on freeway signs given the larger amount of cities (in place of CDPs which are more prevalent in rural environments, IMO).
There are a good many unincorporated areas in Louisiana on Interstate exits. Most of them are along I-49. Lake End, Ajax, Chopin, Flora, Cypress, Kingston. There's a pair on I-20 outside of Minden that used to be towns along US 80: Ada and Taylor
What the hell is unusual about an unincorporated place name?
Quote from: jakeroot on November 26, 2014, 07:28:45 PM
As a followup to the first page's stadium bit, I-5 and I-90 near downtown Seattle have BGSs that advertise the stadiums:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0mCVC7p.png&hash=726b214309785175fa499d62e177a893cc6ae840)
But, I wouldn't consider their adverts as being "unusual" because they're fairly important things you might want to visit while in the city.
My only beef with this sign is that they use the letter "E" for "Edgar", when those not from the area will think "E" means "East".
Quote from: TEG24601 on December 08, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 26, 2014, 07:28:45 PM
As a followup to the first page's stadium bit, I-5 and I-90 near downtown Seattle have BGSs that advertise the stadiums:
But, I wouldn't consider their adverts as being "unusual" because they're fairly important things you might want to visit while in the city.
My only beef with this sign is that they use the letter "E" for "Edgar", when those not from the area will think "E" means "East".
Indeed. Even I, a local, read it as "East Martinez Drive".
Quote from: bassoon1986 on December 08, 2014, 02:18:04 PM
There are a good many unincorporated areas in Louisiana on Interstate exits. Most of them are along I-49. Lake End, Ajax, Chopin, Flora, Cypress, Kingston. There's a pair on I-20 outside of Minden that used to be towns along US 80: Ada and Taylor
Also on I-20: Exit 93, Sibley. Not to be confused with the incorporated town of Sibley 3 miles south of Minden.
Exit 132: Start. Birthplace of Tim McGraw.
Exit 138: Archibald
Come to think of it...I think most of the exits east of Monroe have mostly unincorporated areas on the signs.
Quote from: NE2 on December 08, 2014, 03:07:23 PM
What the hell is unusual about an unincorporated place name?
You seem to be on the defensive as of late. What's the matter with you?
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on December 09, 2014, 07:56:49 PM
What's the matter with you?
Deepseated daddy issues with a sprinkling of OCD and a goat fetish.
My favorite
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/lifebenefits/Pictures+for+the+Blog/Future.jpg)
Haha, that reminds me of this image on Trenton, New Jersey's website (http://www.trentonnj.org):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trentonnj.org%2Fimages%2Fthe-future.gif&hash=8ba1ed1f42dd60028c27c5f9d3fa3c40927cd481)
And no matter what anyone says, I still think Trenton's future is bright, especially now that this mayor is slowly starting to undo the damage caused by Tony Mack.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 28, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
Does a university count as an unusual destination (Indiana Toll Road, Exit 77)?
Two college related ones I can think of.
The split between I-78 and US 22 outside Lehigh, PA is signed "Lehigh University (I-78) / Lehigh Valley's Other Colleges (US 22)" Kind of a putdown of the "other colleges". "Where did you go to school? One of the Lehigh Valley's other colleges."
The last exit in WV, 155 on I-79 is simply signed "West Virginia University" and WV 7 with no indication of the city or any street name or otherwise. Because of the far flung nature of that mis-designed school's campus, if traveling north it is not necessarily the proper exit depending on what WVU building you are going to, and you pass through, due to inappropriate annexations, three speed trap jurisdictions on the access road before reaching even Morgantown's city line. Also, confusingly, flip up signs direct you not to use it on gamedays for football stadium access, although you really should.
In Lowell, MA, at the 38/110/133 intersection, there are signs saying "110 West - Chelmsford - Worcester". Do these signs predate I-495? If they came after I-495 was built, why was Worcester put on the sign?
Quote from: SP Cook on December 11, 2014, 07:06:04 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 28, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
Does a university count as an unusual destination (Indiana Toll Road, Exit 77)?
Two college related ones I can think of.
The split between I-78 and US 22 outside Lehigh, PA is signed "Lehigh University (I-78) / Lehigh Valley's Other Colleges (US 22)" Kind of a putdown of the "other colleges". "Where did you go to school? One of the Lehigh Valley's other colleges."
The last exit in WV, 155 on I-79 is simply signed "West Virginia University" and WV 7 with no indication of the city or any street name or otherwise. Because of the far flung nature of that mis-designed school's campus, if traveling north it is not necessarily the proper exit depending on what WVU building you are going to, and you pass through, due to inappropriate annexations, three speed trap jurisdictions on the access road before reaching even Morgantown's city line. Also, confusingly, flip up signs direct you not to use it on gamedays for football stadium access, although you really should.
Not only that, but the exit is really for a county route (a fractional one, either) and it completely leaves off US 19, because people will use that exit trying to get to Beckley (or so WVDOT seems to believe).
Regarding universities, an unusual sign I've seen many times may be found on southbound US-29 in Charlottesville at the point where the bypass splits off to the west and the business route heads down Emmet Street towards the University of Virginia. The overhead sign uses the "V-Sabre" logo as though it were a highway shield. I've never been sure whether it's meant to refer to the University in general or to the athletics facilities, as the logo is generally associated with the athletic department. See Street View image: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0580182,-78.4949419,3a,75y,179.91h,85.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1skkF7SUSDrwQpVGIvsesGKQ!2e0
Quote from: bzakharin on December 02, 2014, 03:40:23 PM
I feel like "Allentown" should be disambiguated on I-195 in NJ. I've lived in NJ for 23 years and still haven't heard of it except for the control city and exit destination. Allentown, PA, however, is close enough and pretty well known, though there isn't a very good way to get there from where it's used as a destination. Maybe via US 1 and the PA Turnpike?
There's always going to be cases of small towns that have identical names to other places. There's Jersey Shore, PA on I-80, which one could interpret as a shortcut to the Jersey Shore. Or any amount of Washington Exits. A short bit away on I-195 from Allentown, NJ is an exit for Georgia. But any state shouldn't have to constantly put Destination, ST on every single sign to clarify that the destination is in that state.
BTW, if anyone was that terribly confused that an exit for Allentown on I-195 lead them to the wrong Allentown, they'd figure it out in about 1 mile from the exit. Nice, small town. One of the few in NJ where you should always go about 2 mph below the speed limit, just to be on the safe side.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 11, 2014, 03:53:43 PM
Nice, small town. One of the few in NJ where you should always go about 2 mph below the speed limit, just to be on the safe side.
Don't get caught in Princeton doing anything above the speed limit, ESPECIALLY in a 25 zone. Princeton cops are unbelievable with that kind of shit.
Quote from: 1 on December 11, 2014, 02:49:18 PM
In Lowell, MA, at the 38/110/133 intersection, there are signs saying "110 West - Chelmsford - Worcester". Do these signs predate I-495? If they came after I-495 was built, why was Worcester put on the sign?
The LGS itself, no; but the destination legends may have very well carried over from previous-generation signs.
Given the intersection's location with respect to I-495 (which actually runs south of Lowell); the reason for placing
WORCESTER on that one LGS for MA 110 westbound is that it's the most logical way for traffic in the vicinity to get to I-495 South & Worcester. This particular LGS has no bearing on whether I-495 exists or not; the info.'s valid either way.
For one coming from MA 38 southbound approaching this intersection (from the north); one way to get to I-495 South would involve taking MA 110 West to Gorham St. and following to the Lowell Connector (it starts at Gorham St.). Then taking the Connector to I-495.
While one can simply stay on MA 38 south and pick up I-495 as well; most would use that way as a means to pick up I-495 North.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 11, 2014, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 02, 2014, 03:40:23 PM
I feel like "Allentown" should be disambiguated on I-195 in NJ. I've lived in NJ for 23 years and still haven't heard of it except for the control city and exit destination. Allentown, PA, however, is close enough and pretty well known, though there isn't a very good way to get there from where it's used as a destination. Maybe via US 1 and the PA Turnpike?
There's always going to be cases of small towns that have identical names to other places. There's Jersey Shore, PA on I-80, which one could interpret as a shortcut to the Jersey Shore. Or any amount of Washington Exits. A short bit away on I-195 from Allentown, NJ is an exit for Georgia. But any state shouldn't have to constantly put Destination, ST on every single sign to clarify that the destination is in that state.
BTW, if anyone was that terribly confused that an exit for Allentown on I-195 lead them to the wrong Allentown, they'd figure it out in about 1 mile from the exit. Nice, small town. One of the few in NJ where you should always go about 2 mph below the speed limit, just to be on the safe side.
I would disambiguate Jersey Shore too. Washingtons get a pass because the one in DC is far enough away to not be signed on any freeway. Those Washingtons that are closer to DC do have their state called out on the overheads. Plus I feel like most people know that there are like three Washingtons in every state.
Actually, about that last part, what if there are multiple towns of the same name in the same state? There is an exit for "Red Bank" on I-295. The (semi?)famous shore resort of the same name is 85 miles away.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 11, 2014, 03:07:07 PM
Regarding universities, an unusual sign I've seen many times may be found on southbound US-29 in Charlottesville at the point where the bypass splits off to the west and the business route heads down Emmet Street towards the University of Virginia. The overhead sign uses the "V-Sabre" logo as though it were a highway shield. I've never been sure whether it's meant to refer to the University in general or to the athletics facilities, as the logo is generally associated with the athletic department. See Street View image: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0580182,-78.4949419,3a,75y,179.91h,85.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1skkF7SUSDrwQpVGIvsesGKQ!2e0
Not only that, it seems to imply that it's the UVA business route, leading one to wonder where the mainline is.
Quote from: bzakharin on December 11, 2014, 04:22:58 PM
I would disambiguate Jersey Shore too. Washingtons get a pass because the one in DC is far enough away to not be signed on any freeway. Those Washingtons that are closer to DC do have their state called out on the overheads. Plus I feel like most people know that there are like three Washingtons in every state.
Actually, about that last part, what if there are multiple towns of the same name in the same state? There is an exit for "Red Bank" on I-295. The (semi?)famous shore resort of the same name is 85 miles away.
I think most states do a pretty good job of avoiding identical town names in the same state, although occasionally a neighborhood of one city might share a name with a wholly unrelated city (I'm looking at you, Westwood, CA and Westwood (L.A.), CA). The most egregious offender I can think of off the top of my head would be Virginia, where county names and city names could lead to confusion - Richmond City is nowhere near Richmond County, and you have such gems as James City County.
There are two Jackson's relatively close to each other around Memphis (Jackson, TN and Jackson, MS). The control city for I-55 SB is "Jackson Miss" to keep from confusing it with Jackson, TN along I-40 to the northeast.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 28, 2014, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Thanks Ian for the pic, I hope you don't mind if I use it to point something out:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8596868422_4f75ec32ee_z.jpg)
New Hampshire uses state initials when there is unlikely to be an ambiguity about which Portsmouth they're talking about. Given that sign's existence, I always found it weird that "Salem NH" isn't a control city on I-93. There's a Salem, MA not too far away so it seems more likely that confusion would exist.
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Virginia uses the state initials for Great Falls because there's another Great Falls right across the river in Maryland (theoretically the same Great Falls since the national park extends across the river around the actual falls).
Virginia also uses the state initials on distance signs listing the small town of Washington, Virginia, so as to distinguish it from the better-known US capital. The town is west of Warrenton and is often referred to as "Little Washington," a name popularized by the very famous Inn at Little Washington, a five-star restaurant and country inn located there.
I know most states that has a Washington will use state initials on the signs depicting the city. They do that for Washington, Ga., which is in Wilkes County, in some instances.
Quote from: admtrap on December 12, 2014, 02:09:45 PM
I think most states do a pretty good job of avoiding identical town names in the same state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Township
Closer to home (for me), here are two identically named towns in the same state that *border each other* (in different counties) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Township,_Pennsylvania
In addition, NJ has a Union Township and a Union City, an Egg Harbor Township and an Egg Harbor City, an Ocean Township and an Ocean City, a Princeton Borough inside Princeton Township, and a Burlington City inside Burlington Township
Quote from: bzakharin on December 13, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
a Princeton Borough inside Princeton Township
I thought those two were consolidated to just form one Princeton?
You are right, I forgot about that one
Quote from: Zeffy on December 13, 2014, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 13, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
a Princeton Borough inside Princeton Township
I thought those two were consolidated to just form one Princeton?
Quote from: bzakharin on December 13, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
Quote from: admtrap on December 12, 2014, 02:09:45 PM
I think most states do a pretty good job of avoiding identical town names in the same state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Township
Closer to home (for me), here are two identically named towns in the same state that *border each other* (in different counties) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Township,_Pennsylvania
In addition, NJ has a Union Township and a Union City, an Egg Harbor Township and an Egg Harbor City, an Ocean Township and an Ocean City, a Princeton Borough inside Princeton Township, and a Burlington City inside Burlington Township
There are two Sewells in NJ that border each other in the same county! It's really a post office issue: ZIP codes were created not really to identify a town, but for the USPSs purposes of delivering mail. The two Sewells have nothing to do with each other, and are mostly large sections within their townships.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 13, 2014, 10:59:34 PM
There are two Sewells in NJ that border each other in the same county! It's really a post office issue: ZIP codes were created not really to identify a town, but for the USPSs purposes of delivering mail. The two Sewells have nothing to do with each other, and are mostly large sections within their townships.
I always associated Sewell as part of Deptford, but looking it up now I was surprised to find that Sewell is associated with Mantua and Washington Twps.
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on December 13, 2014, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 13, 2014, 10:59:34 PM
There are two Sewells in NJ that border each other in the same county! It's really a post office issue: ZIP codes were created not really to identify a town, but for the USPSs purposes of delivering mail. The two Sewells have nothing to do with each other, and are mostly large sections within their townships.
I always associated Sewell as part of Deptford, but looking it up now I was surprised to find that Sewell is associated with Mantua and Washington Twps.
The very southern tip of Deptford is served by Sewell's post office, which includes Gloucester County College (now Rowan College at Gloucester County) and the defunct golf course known over the years as Maple Ridge, Eagles Nest & Tall Pines, but for the most part those places remained known as Deptford. The only time they were labeled as Sewell was by the Philly media, who probably looked up their mailing address when needing to do a story and saw it said "Sewell". (The golf course spread across two towns, and holes 7 thru 12 were actually in Sewell, Mantua Township, while the rest of the golf course including Pro Shop & Restaurant were in Deptford.)
Quote from: bzakharin on December 13, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
In addition, NJ has a Union Township and a Union City, an Egg Harbor Township and an Egg Harbor City, an Ocean Township and an Ocean City, a Princeton Borough inside Princeton Township, and a Burlington City inside Burlington Township
There's also two Freeholds, and I want to say there a couple more doubles like that in Monmouth County, but I can't recall exactly which ones at the moment. But yeah, it's pretty common in New Jersey.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on December 14, 2014, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 13, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
In addition, NJ has a Union Township and a Union City, an Egg Harbor Township and an Egg Harbor City, an Ocean Township and an Ocean City, a Princeton Borough inside Princeton Township, and a Burlington City inside Burlington Township
There's also two Freeholds, and I want to say there a couple more doubles like that in Monmouth County, but I can't recall exactly which ones at the moment. But yeah, it's pretty common in New Jersey.
Indeed it is very common in NJ. There are several in my home county of Morris alone. Two Rockaways, two Chesters, two Mendhams, two Chathams. In all cited cases, the two municipalities are borough and township. Of the above noted towns, the only one appearing on a highway sign is Rockaway. It is exit 37 off of I-80, and it serves both the township and borough.
Quote from: admtrap on December 12, 2014, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 11, 2014, 04:22:58 PM
I would disambiguate Jersey Shore too. Washingtons get a pass because the one in DC is far enough away to not be signed on any freeway. Those Washingtons that are closer to DC do have their state called out on the overheads. Plus I feel like most people know that there are like three Washingtons in every state.
Actually, about that last part, what if there are multiple towns of the same name in the same state? There is an exit for "Red Bank" on I-295. The (semi?)famous shore resort of the same name is 85 miles away.
I think most states do a pretty good job of avoiding identical town names in the same state, although occasionally a neighborhood of one city might share a name with a wholly unrelated city (I'm looking at you, Westwood, CA and Westwood (L.A.), CA). The most egregious offender I can think of off the top of my head would be Virginia, where county names and city names could lead to confusion - Richmond City is nowhere near Richmond County, and you have such gems as James City County.
There are two Madisons in South Carolina: one (the most well-known) in Oconee County, the other in Aiken County. I only found out about the Aiken County Madison (http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/154377408) when I watched at WJBF's Hometown Weather beginning in late 1997 — the station has since discontinued that segment for some unknown reason.
Devens, on Mass. Route 2:
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There is no town called Devens, but rather a loose collection of neighborhoods, commercial buildings, National Guard facilities, and fenced-off regions I can only assume are superfund sites and/or areas of unexploded ordnance, all comprising the former area of Fort Devens, which closed 25 years ago. In fact, this name first appeared on signs in this area when the word "Fort" was removed at that time.
A referendum to create a new town called Devens out of parts of the three towns the base was located in failed several years ago, and it remains sort of a no man's land trying to find an identity for itself.
While it is a borough in Lancaster County, PA; a roadgeek or anyone that knows about the other I-76 over in Colorado can appreciate this BGS (http://goo.gl/maps/qYrLA).
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Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Thanks Ian for the pic, I hope you don't mind if I use it to point something out:
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New Hampshire uses state initials when there is unlikely to be an ambiguity about which Portsmouth they're talking about. Given that sign's existence, I always found it weird that "Salem NH" isn't a control city on I-93. There's a Salem, MA not too far away so it seems more likely that confusion would exist.
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Virginia uses the state initials for Great Falls because there's another Great Falls right across the river in Maryland (theoretically the same Great Falls since the national park extends across the river around the actual falls).
Virginia also uses the state initials on distance signs listing the small town of Washington, Virginia, so as to distinguish it from the better-known US capital. The town is west of Warrenton and is often referred to as "Little Washington," a name popularized by the very famous Inn at Little Washington, a five-star restaurant and country inn located there.
I know most states that has a Washington will use state initials on the signs depicting the city. They do that for Washington, Ga., which is in Wilkes County, in some instances.
I do know that I've seen Washington, North Carolina signed on US 264 sans state initials. I can imagine where that might be confusing.
There's also this along I-95:
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Sloppy control city usage. A westbound highway in North Carolina towards "Nashville" has to cause confusion for some who think that it might be a means to head towards the Nashville in TN.
US 64 DOES connect to I-40 so you possibly COULD use it to get to Nashville, TN but I highly doubt that NCDOT is intending to direct people to a city hundreds of miles away.
Heh. My wife and I had exactly that discussion when we passed that interchange on our last trip south!
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 09, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
Sloppy control city usage. A westbound highway in North Carolina towards "Nashville" has to cause confusion for some who think that it might be a means to head towards the Nashville in TN.
Anybody who would confuse that Nashville for Nashville, Tenn., is too stupid to be driving.
Same with that stupidity of signing "Nashville, Ill." for a certain exit on I-64 in Illinois.
Should the signs between Lewisburg, WV and Lexington, Va. on and adjacent to I-64 have the state indicated so as to eliminate confusion with the city in Kentucky? I don't think so.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 09, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
Sloppy control city usage. A westbound highway in North Carolina towards "Nashville" has to cause confusion for some who think that it might be a means to head towards the Nashville in TN.
Anybody who would confuse that Nashville for Nashville, Tenn., is too stupid to be driving.
Same with that stupidity of signing "Nashville, Ill." for a certain exit on I-64 in Illinois.
Should the signs between Lewisburg, WV and Lexington, Va. on and adjacent to I-64 have the state indicated so as to eliminate confusion with the city in Kentucky? I don't think so.
That one is different. It is actually the
correct way to get to Nashville, Tennessee from that spot. Most other examples won't get you anywhere near the town that is possibly causing confusion.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Near Memphis, whenever Jackson, MS is mentioned, it appears as "Jackson Miss" to distinguish it from nearby Jackson, TN. I don't remember whether the latter appears as "Jackson Tenn" but if so that would be an example.
In Kansas City, KS, there are signs for "Kansas City Ks Community College", but that is the name of the actual college, so it may not count.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
Should the signs between Lewisburg, WV and Lexington, Va. on and adjacent to I-64 have the state indicated so as to eliminate confusion with the city in Kentucky? I don't think so.
Maybe they should. I lived in Lexington VA for a while, and afterwards, still within Virginia, when I said I had previously lived in Lexington, I was almost always asked "Kentucky, or New Hampshire?"
Then again, NoVA and the rest of Virginia may as well be different countries.
Quote from: admtrap on February 09, 2015, 11:34:43 PM
I lived in Lexington VA for a while, and afterwards, still within Virginia, when I said I had previously lived in Lexington, I was almost always asked "Kentucky, or New Hampshire?"
Who were you talking with, Michelle Bachmann (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pZpfVOqI6A)?
Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 09, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
Sloppy control city usage. A westbound highway in North Carolina towards "Nashville" has to cause confusion for some who think that it might be a means to head towards the Nashville in TN.
Anybody who would confuse that Nashville for Nashville, Tenn., is too stupid to be driving.
Same with that stupidity of signing "Nashville, Ill." for a certain exit on I-64 in Illinois.
If I was on the road in North Carolina, and saw a sign for Nashville, I would assume they mean Tennessee. Why is this an unfair assumption? IMO, Nashville is one of those unique names, like Seattle, or Los Angeles, that doesn't seem likely to be repeated across the country. Apparently, from what you've posted, this is incorrect, but to Tourist Joe travelling the highways of North Carolina, there's only one important Nashville, and that Nashville is in Tennessee.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2015, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 09, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
Sloppy control city usage. A westbound highway in North Carolina towards "Nashville" has to cause confusion for some who think that it might be a means to head towards the Nashville in TN.
Anybody who would confuse that Nashville for Nashville, Tenn., is too stupid to be driving.
Same with that stupidity of signing "Nashville, Ill." for a certain exit on I-64 in Illinois.
If I was on the road in North Carolina, and saw a sign for Nashville, I would assume they mean Tennessee. Why is this an unfair assumption? IMO, Nashville is one of those unique names, like Seattle, or Los Angeles, that doesn't seem likely to be repeated across the country. Apparently, from what you've posted, this is incorrect, but to Tourist Joe travelling the highways of North Carolina, there's only one important Nashville, and that Nashville is in Tennessee.
This is a fair point. Your average tourist has no idea about distances outside of where they're from and where they travel frequently. I've met people who think that Niagara Falls, NY and NYC are close together. I can see someone seeing "Nashville" on that sign and thinking that they are reasonably close to Nashville, Tennessee. You could technically sign "Nashville TN" there as a control city and it'd be correct but it wouldn't be helpful. Most people (at least in the east) see control cities and think that the city is reasonable close to the exit. If they assume Tennessee for Nashville there, they'd be terribly wrong.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 10, 2015, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2015, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 09, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
Sloppy control city usage. A westbound highway in North Carolina towards "Nashville" has to cause confusion for some who think that it might be a means to head towards the Nashville in TN.
Anybody who would confuse that Nashville for Nashville, Tenn., is too stupid to be driving.
Same with that stupidity of signing "Nashville, Ill." for a certain exit on I-64 in Illinois.
If I was on the road in North Carolina, and saw a sign for Nashville, I would assume they mean Tennessee. Why is this an unfair assumption? IMO, Nashville is one of those unique names, like Seattle, or Los Angeles, that doesn't seem likely to be repeated across the country. Apparently, from what you've posted, this is incorrect, but to Tourist Joe travelling the highways of North Carolina, there's only one important Nashville, and that Nashville is in Tennessee.
This is a fair point. Your average tourist has no idea about distances outside of where they're from and where they travel frequently. I've met people who think that Niagara Falls, NY and NYC are close together. I can see someone seeing "Nashville" on that sign and thinking that they are reasonably close to Nashville, Tennessee. You could technically sign "Nashville TN" there as a control city and it'd be correct but it wouldn't be helpful. Most people (at least in the east) see control cities and think that the city is reasonable close to the exit. If they assume Tennessee for Nashville there, they'd be terribly wrong.
To me, there's a strong difference between two cities with the same name, and two major cities with the same name. If you were driving around Seattle, and saw a sign with "Portland" on it, you'd be pretty stupid to assume the sign meant Maine and not Oregon, since Portland, OR is very much a major city with an identity all its own, and unless you completely forgot you were in the state neighboring Oregon, confusing the two would be infantile. But Nashville, NC is not a major city. I, for one, have never heard of any Nashville other than Tennessee.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 10, 2015, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2015, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 09, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
Sloppy control city usage. A westbound highway in North Carolina towards "Nashville" has to cause confusion for some who think that it might be a means to head towards the Nashville in TN.
Anybody who would confuse that Nashville for Nashville, Tenn., is too stupid to be driving.
Same with that stupidity of signing "Nashville, Ill." for a certain exit on I-64 in Illinois.
If I was on the road in North Carolina, and saw a sign for Nashville, I would assume they mean Tennessee. Why is this an unfair assumption? IMO, Nashville is one of those unique names, like Seattle, or Los Angeles, that doesn't seem likely to be repeated across the country. Apparently, from what you've posted, this is incorrect, but to Tourist Joe travelling the highways of North Carolina, there's only one important Nashville, and that Nashville is in Tennessee.
This is a fair point. Your average tourist has no idea about distances outside of where they're from and where they travel frequently. I've met people who think that Niagara Falls, NY and NYC are close together. I can see someone seeing "Nashville" on that sign and thinking that they are reasonably close to Nashville, Tennessee. You could technically sign "Nashville TN" there as a control city and it'd be correct but it wouldn't be helpful. Most people (at least in the east) see control cities and think that the city is reasonable close to the exit. If they assume Tennessee for Nashville there, they'd be terribly wrong.
How do you feel about
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Las Vegas as a control city on I-25? Ewwwwww
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 10, 2015, 01:13:58 AM
Las Vegas as a control city on I-25? Ewwwwww
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It's New Mexico's 17th largest city and the largest city on I-25 north of Santa Fe
Quote from: corco on February 10, 2015, 01:16:37 AM
New Mexico's 17th largest city
That's like saying FritzOwl's 17th most reasonable proposal.
I saw that and thought "Las Vegas, Nevada" even though I knew that I-25 went nowhere near Las Vegas, Nevada. If I were traveling I-25 and saw that, I'd think, "that's odd, this road goes nowhere near there." Most people from the east coast would think that it were referring Las Vegas, Nevada.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 10, 2015, 01:23:05 AM
I saw that and thought "Las Vegas, Nevada" even though I knew that I-25 went nowhere near Las Vegas, Nevada. If I were traveling I-25 and saw that, I'd think, "that's odd, this road goes nowhere near there." Most people from the east coast would think that it were referring Las Vegas, Nevada.
I'm from the west and thought that meant Las Vegas, Nevada.
If you are travelling from anywhere except New Mexico towards Sin City, these signs are, in the best use of the word, a bit misleading. Granted, I-25(N) is not towards the gambling capital, but I think you lot get my point.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 09, 2015, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Does any other state use state initials when signing a city within their state? I've only seen NH do it (in this case).
Near Memphis, whenever Jackson, MS is mentioned, it appears as "Jackson Miss" to distinguish it from nearby Jackson, TN. I don't remember whether the latter appears as "Jackson Tenn" but if so that would be an example.
In Kansas City, KS, there are signs for "Kansas City Ks Community College", but that is the name of the actual college, so it may not count.
The control city for I-40 east is Nashville so there isn't any mention of Jackson, TN in the Memphis area that I know of.
Interestingly enough, on US 72 at MS 365 in Burnsville, the destination listed is Cairo Miss. I guess at that place they didn't want to confuse it with Cairo, IL. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.83914,-88.321777,3a,75y,307.85h,88.46t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sB8aW2PZnyedLxKhDhOErYA!2e0
It's somewhat astonishing to me how many people have no idea of distances. My grandmother once told me I was an idiot when I said it took longer to drive from home in Fairfax to Duke University in North Carolina than it did to her house in New York: "You're stupid. North Carolina is only one state over." (Nowadays it would probably take longer to New York given increases in traffic, but 20 years ago I'd regularly make the 240-mile drive in three and a half hours. Never made it to or from Duke, which is about 260 miles, in under four hours.)
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.084948,-75.310026,3a,22y,14.47h,99.6t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sijeZwOFkBkBSKM5aQwe6PA!2e0
Is this sign referring to the New Jersey Turnpike, New Jersey and a Turnpike, or what? Usually NJTP or NJ Turnpike is used when referring to that road - I've never seen it like NJ-TPK (there's not even a hyphen in the Turnpike's name!) like the PTC has done here.
It's referring to NJ and the NJTP as the route to take to get to NY.
Quote from: Zeffy on February 10, 2015, 09:51:55 AM
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Is this sign referring to the New Jersey Turnpike, New Jersey and a Turnpike, or what? Usually NJTP or NJ Turnpike is used when referring to that road - I've never seen it like NJ-TPK (there's not even a hyphen in the Turnpike's name!) like the PTC has done here.
Given the location of that BGS; it's a PennDOT installation & PennDOT spec'd.; not PTC. It was installed as part of the I-476/Blue Route reconstruction project that took place not too long ago.
Easton is a shopping center; personally I'd use brown for the top line as it is a regional destination.
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^ Brown is only used for historical/cultural interest or recreational signing, so you couldn't use brown for the top portion of the sign.
Hollywood Casino, noted historical and cultural interest site :)
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Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 10, 2015, 01:23:05 AM
I saw that and thought "Las Vegas, Nevada" even though I knew that I-25 went nowhere near Las Vegas, Nevada. If I were traveling I-25 and saw that, I'd think, "that's odd, this road goes nowhere near there." Most people from the east coast would think that it were referring Las Vegas, Nevada.
I know some people that would consider "Nashville" for US 64 in North Carolina as for Nashville, TN instead of Nashville, NC which the control city refers to.
Hopefully when the I-495 designation gets applied to all of US 64, it will be changed to Raliegh as it should really of been all along. I believe it had to do with when the US 64 freeway was not completed all the way to Raliegh and ended a few miles west of I-95. As Nashville, NC is along the old alignment of US 64 and was indeed the first city west of Rocky Mount where the location of the I-95/ US 64 interchange is.
Along I-95, Raleigh is already the secondary control city for US 64. The biggest issue here is that NCDOT lets every small "city" in the state be a control city. I would just sign "Raleigh" and not have a secondary city.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 10, 2015, 02:09:42 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 10, 2015, 01:23:05 AM
I saw that and thought "Las Vegas, Nevada" even though I knew that I-25 went nowhere near Las Vegas, Nevada. If I were traveling I-25 and saw that, I'd think, "that's odd, this road goes nowhere near there." Most people from the east coast would think that it were referring Las Vegas, Nevada.
I'm from the west and thought that meant Las Vegas, Nevada.
If you are travelling from anywhere except New Mexico towards Sin City, these signs are, in the best use of the word, a bit misleading. Granted, I-25(N) is not towards the gambling capital, but I think you lot get my point.
This is part of the reason that WSDOT always signs it Vancouver, B.C., instead of just Vancouver, because some people might get confused and think Vancouver, WA. Thankfully, Vancouver, WA isn't a control city on any Interstate in Washington or Oregon, but it is good to work to prevent confusion.
Quote from: 6a on February 14, 2015, 02:05:24 PM
Easton is a shopping center; personally I'd use brown for the top line as it is a regional destination.
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Easton is a major population center in the Lehigh Valley. I don't see why it can't be mentioned on a BGS like any other town that has multiple exits.
Quote from: bzakharin on February 16, 2015, 06:41:19 PM
Easton is a major population center in the Lehigh Valley. I don't see why it can't be mentioned on a BGS like any other town that has multiple exits.
Because it's not mentioned on this sign. The sign is mentioning a shopping center (in Ohio).
Quote from: NE2 on February 16, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on February 16, 2015, 06:41:19 PM
Easton is a major population center in the Lehigh Valley. I don't see why it can't be mentioned on a BGS like any other town that has multiple exits.
Because it's not mentioned on this sign. The sign is mentioning a shopping center (in Ohio).
Agree. Neighborhood and shopping center in Columbus. What would work really well here are those colored squares outlined in the 2009 MUTCD to represent different sections of the center.
oh, sorry. The talk of PennDOT had me primed for PA. A shopping center has two exits?
Quote from: bzakharin on February 16, 2015, 09:03:31 PM
oh, sorry. The talk of PennDOT had me primed for PA. A shopping center has two exits?
Not really. One is a direct exit to the mixed-use development that was built as part of its construction, the other is to a preexisting major road that runs along the north side of the development. Pretty large place, actually, and the Morse Road exit alone couldn't handle the traffic.
Quote from: codyg1985 on February 10, 2015, 06:41:08 AM
The control city for I-40 east is Nashville so there isn't any mention of Jackson, TN in the Memphis area that I know of.
Nope, there's not really any signage for Jackson, TN around Memphis, even on on-ramps; even US 70/79 is signed for Arlington or Brownsville, to the extent it is signed for anywhere in particular.
That still doesn't stop people from frequently going to the wrong Jackson, mind you (it might actually make things worse, since geographically-ignorant people might figure that Jackson TN might well be somewhere near Jackson MS on the Bristol or Kansas City theory).
Just found this one while browsing GSV in and around Ramos Arizpe, Coahuila.
"AUTOZONE 450 mts", complete with highway shield.
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Quote from: bzakharin on February 16, 2015, 09:03:31 PM
oh, sorry. The talk of PennDOT had me primed for PA. A shopping center has two exits?
Functionally, yes. The interstate was divided into a pseudo local/express setup so that an exit for the shopping center could be built. The proposed exit was too close to the I-670, Morse Rd and SR 161 exits so the whole thing was reconfigured. The Easton Way and Morse Rd exits serve the mall, but as was mentioned, Morse Rd was preexisting.
Quote from: cl94 on February 16, 2015, 09:17:22 PM
Not really. One is a direct exit to the mixed-use development that was built as part of its construction, the other is to a preexisting major road that runs along the north side of the development. Pretty large place, actually, and the Morse Road exit alone couldn't handle the traffic.
Quite large, indeed. This is Easton vs. what is considered downtown Columbus. Same scale.
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A former residence.
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Anybody know the official pronunciation of the lower destination of the following sign:
I-70
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u9d81CmdCnJDy3Zy7
We passed it this weekend on I‐70 in Utah, and to us, it looks like something you'd tell a kid in a china shop..
Quote from: thenetwork on September 27, 2020, 08:39:46 PM
Anybody know the official pronunciation of the lower destination of the following sign:
I-70
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u9d81CmdCnJDy3Zy7
We passed it this weekend on I‐70 in Utah, and to us, it looks like something you'd tell a kid in a china shop..
That looks like a Native American name that would be pronounced phonetically.
Quote from: thenetwork on September 27, 2020, 08:39:46 PM
Anybody know the official pronunciation of the lower destination of the following sign:
I-70
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u9d81CmdCnJDy3Zy7
We passed it this weekend on I‐70 in Utah, and to us, it looks like something you'd tell a kid in a china shop..
:-D
As for the pronunciation: https://www.ksl.com/article/25484894/author-shares-stories-behind-utahs-most-interesting-place-names
"What about Mussentuchit, though? Originally, cowboys called it "Must Not Touch It" because the water was poisonous. That became "Musn't Touch it." And finally, Mussentuchit, with a new pronunciation: "moose-un-TOO-shet"."
Quote from: STLmapboy on September 27, 2020, 08:47:21 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on September 27, 2020, 08:39:46 PM
Anybody know the official pronunciation of the lower destination of the following sign:
I-70
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u9d81CmdCnJDy3Zy7
We passed it this weekend on I‐70 in Utah, and to us, it looks like something you'd tell a kid in a china shop..
:-D
As for the pronunciation: https://www.ksl.com/article/25484894/author-shares-stories-behind-utahs-most-interesting-place-names
"What about Mussentuchit, though? Originally, cowboys called it "Must Not Touch It" because the water was poisonous. That became "Musn't Touch it." And finally, Mussentuchit, with a new pronunciation: "moose-un-TOO-shet"."
That kind of reminds me of Stinkingwater Pass (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6916574,-118.5390837,519m/data=!3m1!1e3) on US 20 in Oregon. Unfortunately, the sign just says "
SUMMIT" (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6921267,-118.5382449,3a,15y,293.45h,84.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sivfNK0VtxoJp9my5EdlsGA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), maybe because it would otherwise get stolen. Its nearby companion, Drinkwater Pass, is properly signed (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7837981,-118.2792398,3a,30y,102.65h,90.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTp2p81NHwKTZk0MuTuC-3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).
Here's some NYC/ Long Island:
Nyc/ Long Island uses bridges/tunnels, road names, arenas/ stadiums, airports/ train stations and parks/ beaches routinely as well as unincorporated hamlets opposed to using towns (particular on Long Island) as towns here are essentially as large as counties.
S/b Cross Island Pkwy at I-495:
- "Eastern Long Is" as control city
- Long Island Expwy name on sign, most signs just have shield
- Grand Central Pkwy BGS lists Hauppauge/ Triboro Br as control cities, triboro is now the RFK br and Hauppauge is eastern terminus of Northern State Pkwy which is what GCP turns into at Nassau Co border. (Northern Pkwy used to list "Eastern Long Is" as did Southern State Pkwy but was change in last decade to Hauppauge and East Islip respectively as both parkways really don't reach eastern Long Island, yet alone central Suffolk county.)
https://goo.gl/maps/KjBsaZ8VmAd5hAc76 (https://goo.gl/maps/KjBsaZ8VmAd5hAc76)
N/b Cross Island Pkwy at I-495:
- same as above
- Manhattan listed as control city, almost all signs in downstate ny refer to "New York" but this location is already in queens county in nyc.
https://goo.gl/maps/WZEnEoZaCKqxyGhV9 (https://goo.gl/maps/WZEnEoZaCKqxyGhV9)
W/b I-495 at CIP:
- Manhattan Instead of usual New York control city for I-495
- Whitestone Br/ Kennedy Airport (JFK) for CIP
https://goo.gl/maps/fmJMSugFz3ZgzxFj9 (https://goo.gl/maps/fmJMSugFz3ZgzxFj9)
W/b I-495 at I-295 Clearview Expwy:
- Bronx/ Grand Central Pkwy used as controls
https://goo.gl/maps/AthipGbXMzC3sQvA6 (https://goo.gl/maps/AthipGbXMzC3sQvA6)
W/b Grand Central Pkwy At exit 9P:
- Corona Park/ BJK Tennis Center controls
https://goo.gl/maps/3gsWPik256cM4Q828 (https://goo.gl/maps/3gsWPik256cM4Q828)
W/b I-678 Whitestone Expwy:
- Citi Field/ La Guardia Airport for controls
https://goo.gl/maps/C1Rm3yt3v9Er6FY97 (https://goo.gl/maps/C1Rm3yt3v9Er6FY97)
S/b Meadowbrook state pkwy at Bay Pkwy:
- Jones beach theatre (with rotating door of corporate sponsor) and west end beaches for controls
https://goo.gl/maps/qWAEk44AoS6jR7g79 (https://goo.gl/maps/qWAEk44AoS6jR7g79)
S/b Robert Moses Causeway at Ocean Pkwy:
- Robert Moses Pk/ Captree St Pk/ Jones Beach controls all on brown BGS
https://goo.gl/maps/fYCZdwpZ2rYCuBLK6 (https://goo.gl/maps/fYCZdwpZ2rYCuBLK6)
W/b Southern State Pkwy at Robert Moses Causeway:
- Ocean Beaches as control
https://goo.gl/maps/Ean6pP5Z5Tj1e1iDA (https://goo.gl/maps/Ean6pP5Z5Tj1e1iDA)
https://goo.gl/maps/Z5xkN62JSud85BgC7 (https://goo.gl/maps/Z5xkN62JSud85BgC7)
E/b Northern State Pkwy at S/b Sagtikos Pkwy:
- South Shore as control point
https://goo.gl/maps/WzLSnP3kb8ApUPMr5 (https://goo.gl/maps/WzLSnP3kb8ApUPMr5)
I-495 exit 68 C-D road at CR-46 William Floyd Pkwy:
- controls for each direction include hamlet of terminus and major attraction in each direction
, in this case nb has Brookhaven National Lab and sb has Smith Point County Park.
https://goo.gl/maps/4MNu32Bg7P5euuYX9 (https://goo.gl/maps/4MNu32Bg7P5euuYX9)
https://goo.gl/maps/uMyNzfk5iXLoi2Fz8 (https://goo.gl/maps/uMyNzfk5iXLoi2Fz8)
Several highways in Pittsburgh use "North Shore" as a destination, referring to the area of Heinz Field and PNC Park...
I-376 east (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4280801,-80.0299883,3a,28.6y,28.92h,89.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_sPy68lFt8UBXCH0rcYDVw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D_sPy68lFt8UBXCH0rcYDVw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D132.72064%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
PA 28 south (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4563108,-79.9906635,3a,48.9y,256.01h,93.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQ1IvLODqDjqCpSPTUqroHA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQ1IvLODqDjqCpSPTUqroHA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D153.15108%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
US 19/PA 65 south (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4519926,-80.0282903,3a,26.4y,166.03h,96.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syUZvf7IVCrPmw840-_zIPQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
I don't think Iowa's occasional odd destinations have been mentioned yet:
* "Kalona Village Museum" on I-80 (https://goo.gl/maps/ebHrxbYzFDoJa9Sx6) and US 218. (https://goo.gl/maps/ErLsnB6eKW4zM1xM9)
I thought Iowa had another one that is eluding me this evening.
For some reason, they decided to sign it as "The Falls"
(https://i.imgur.com/M5VOfwz.png)
However, in the opposing direction, it's "Niagara Falls"
(https://i.imgur.com/XPmpIF6.png)
Maybe "The Falls" refers to the waterfall itself as opposed to the city?
Quote from: 1 on March 24, 2021, 07:35:37 PM
Maybe "The Falls" refers to the waterfall itself as opposed to the city?
It almost certainly does. They probably wanted to avoid sounding redundant, while still distinguishing between the US and Canadian sides.
It would have made sense to use "The Falls" in both directions, although you could make a case that "The Falls" themselves are better accessed by Exit 27 (McLeod Road) or even Exit 16 (Sodom Road) from QEW Toronto.
Why not "Niagara Falls" with "USA Border" below that?
Quote from: NE2 on November 26, 2014, 12:09:43 PM
In before The Amboys etc.
Or The Oranges
Or Shore Points
Quote from: jakeroot on March 25, 2021, 08:40:40 PM
Why not "Niagara Falls" with "USA Border" below that?
For the first one, probably because both lead to the US Border, and therefore it specified Buffalo USA and Niagara Falls USA. For the second, no idea. Although, it seems like Niagara Falls USA is more useful than US Border, since it actually tells you where in the US you'd end up in.
Quote from: cjk374 on December 08, 2014, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on December 08, 2014, 02:18:04 PM
There are a good many unincorporated areas in Louisiana on Interstate exits. Most of them are along I-49. Lake End, Ajax, Chopin, Flora, Cypress, Kingston. There's a pair on I-20 outside of Minden that used to be towns along US 80: Ada and Taylor
Also on I-20: Exit 93, Sibley. Not to be confused with the incorporated town of Sibley 3 miles south of Minden.
Exit 132: Start. Birthplace of Tim McGraw.
Exit 138: Archibald
Come to think of it...I think most of the exits east of Monroe have mostly unincorporated areas on the signs.
There are a lot of unincorporated middle of nowhere places on IH 10/12 and IH 55 in Louisana. For Ih 55 there's Ruddock and arcola/ Roseland. And IH 12 has the pointless exit for Colyell/Satsuma