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Unpaid Tolls are in the millions

Started by roadman65, September 08, 2021, 09:10:55 AM

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roadman65

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kalvado

If NY Thruway is a good comparison, they are running a $700M budget,  and $10M would be  about 1.5% of budget. Nit good, but not a deal breaker.
Taking into account all the plate processing surcharges, and reported mess with tolls by mail, count me  as unimpressed with these tears. Making payments  easier for out of area drivers would be a good start.

SectorZ

If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.

Rothman

Quote from: SectorZ on September 08, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.
Pfft.  Sounds like better enforcement is all that is needed.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

1995hoo

Quote from: SectorZ on September 08, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.

Not this tiresome argument again.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

formulanone

Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 08, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.
Pfft.  Sounds like better enforcement is all that is needed.

They'll spend more on enforcement than the lost toll revenue.

Rothman

Quote from: formulanone on September 08, 2021, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 08, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.
Pfft.  Sounds like better enforcement is all that is needed.

They'll spend more on enforcement than the lost toll revenue.
Nah.  Just need a database running so you can garnish wages.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

jp the roadgeek

Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 08, 2021, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 08, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.
Pfft.  Sounds like better enforcement is all that is needed.

They'll spend more on enforcement than the lost toll revenue.
Nah.  Just need a database running so you can garnish wages.

This is why MA wanted CT to implement tolls.  Since CT doesn't have them and MA is funny with their RMV (if you get a speeding ticket in MA and you're from out of state, it doesn't go on your motor vehicle record), they can't force another state to suspend a license for unpaid tolls because CT is not a member of EZPass.  New York can, and NY DMV is known for slapping administrative suspensions on licenses for sneezing wrong.
Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

Rothman

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 08, 2021, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 08, 2021, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 08, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.
Pfft.  Sounds like better enforcement is all that is needed.

They'll spend more on enforcement than the lost toll revenue.
Nah.  Just need a database running so you can garnish wages.

This is why MA wanted CT to implement tolls.  Since CT doesn't have them and MA is funny with their RMV (if you get a speeding ticket in MA and you're from out of state, it doesn't go on your motor vehicle record), they can't force another state to suspend a license for unpaid tolls because CT is not a member of EZPass.  New York can, and NY DMV is known for slapping administrative suspensions on licenses for sneezing wrong.

Come to think of it, paying tolls should be a pre-tax deduction off of wages.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

SSR_317

How about we just start banning tolled roads throughout the USA and come up with a better way for paying for them? :bigass:

kalvado

Quote from: SSR_317 on November 26, 2021, 07:38:20 PM
How about we just start banning tolled roads throughout the USA and come up with a better way for paying for them? :bigass:
How about starting with the second part of the sentence?

1995hoo

We'll concentrate all the tolls in the area around Indianapolis and redistribute that revenue to everywhere else.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: SectorZ on September 08, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.

Past arrests show that in-state people avoid paying tolls as well.

bwana39

#13
Quote from: SSR_317 on November 26, 2021, 07:38:20 PM
How about we just start banning tolled roads throughout the USA and come up with a better way for paying for them? :bigass:

I probably drive as many or more miles a year than most of you in a given year. I have talked about the MSgt I knew in the Army. He was from Bedford–Stuyvesant (Bed-Stuy). When he joined the army at 19, he had never been outside of NYC. He had never driven a car. No one in his family had a car. Tolls help this family that rarely used highways from paying for them.

If the motor fuels taxes paid for all of the roads, I would agree that we should figure out how to do away with tolls. They don't.  Tolls are a specific user tax. They reward those of us whose vehicles are least fuel efficient (per axle), and tax those whose are most efficient at a greater rate. 

The two ways to do away with tolls are raise the motor fuels taxes SIGNIFICANTLY or just quit building (and perhaps even maintaining) roads.


And to the subject of this thread, Texas does a great job of collecting unpaid tolls from motorists from states they have signed compacts with. Our problem is our in-state scofflaws.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

Bitmapped

Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 08, 2021, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 08, 2021, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 08, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 08, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
If a state provides no opportunity for someone to pay cash, then they have no right to belly ache when an out-of-stater doesn't pay.
Pfft.  Sounds like better enforcement is all that is needed.

They'll spend more on enforcement than the lost toll revenue.
Nah.  Just need a database running so you can garnish wages.

This is why MA wanted CT to implement tolls.  Since CT doesn't have them and MA is funny with their RMV (if you get a speeding ticket in MA and you're from out of state, it doesn't go on your motor vehicle record), they can't force another state to suspend a license for unpaid tolls because CT is not a member of EZPass.  New York can, and NY DMV is known for slapping administrative suspensions on licenses for sneezing wrong.

Come to think of it, paying tolls should be a pre-tax deduction off of wages.

West Virginia allows a deduction from state income tax for West Virginia Turnpike tolls if you meet a certain threshold (>$25, allowing a 3-year carry forward period). See https://code.wvlegislature.gov/11-21-12H/ for details.



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