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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #475 on: February 12, 2023, 11:15:45 PM »

Nah. Itís not that different. It brought out the same nonsense that youíre saying here. Most of the traffic is heading downtown. So it will go downtown.

And yes. Keep it as is. But donít replace it when that time comes.

Park East: 50,000 Vehicles per day
794: 100,000 Vehicles per day
Hoan Bridge: 40,000 Vehicles per day

Talk about bringing nonsense to the conversation. The Park East shares nothing in common with this.


No this actually makes my point. Most of the traffic is going to or coming from downtown. You don't need an interstate highway to accomplish that. In fact, I think given these numbers, it makes even MORE sense than I thought previously.

So 100,000 cars are supposed to get off at the Marquette interchange and onto city streets. Not sure in what world that makes sense, but you do you.
Hm.  Depends on where that 100k traffic count was taken on I-794.  I'd doubt they were all headed downtown or would do so if I-794 was shortened or removed.
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #476 on: February 13, 2023, 12:03:35 AM »

Kind of a tangent here, but what were the estimated AADT numbers had the Park Freeway (both east AND west) been completed as originally planned?

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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #477 on: February 13, 2023, 04:47:48 AM »

Nah. Itís not that different. It brought out the same nonsense that youíre saying here. Most of the traffic is heading downtown. So it will go downtown.

And yes. Keep it as is. But donít replace it when that time comes.

Park East: 50,000 Vehicles per day
794: 100,000 Vehicles per day
Hoan Bridge: 40,000 Vehicles per day

Talk about bringing nonsense to the conversation. The Park East shares nothing in common with this.


No this actually makes my point. Most of the traffic is going to or coming from downtown. You don't need an interstate highway to accomplish that. In fact, I think given these numbers, it makes even MORE sense than I thought previously.

So 100,000 cars are supposed to get off at the Marquette interchange and onto city streets. Not sure in what world that makes sense, but you do you.


Someone doesnít understand how traffic counts work.
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #478 on: February 13, 2023, 04:13:41 PM »

Nah. Itís not that different. It brought out the same nonsense that youíre saying here. Most of the traffic is heading downtown. So it will go downtown.

And yes. Keep it as is. But donít replace it when that time comes.

Park East: 50,000 Vehicles per day
794: 100,000 Vehicles per day
Hoan Bridge: 40,000 Vehicles per day

Talk about bringing nonsense to the conversation. The Park East shares nothing in common with this.


No this actually makes my point. Most of the traffic is going to or coming from downtown. You don't need an interstate highway to accomplish that. In fact, I think given these numbers, it makes even MORE sense than I thought previously.

So 100,000 cars are supposed to get off at the Marquette interchange and onto city streets. Not sure in what world that makes sense, but you do you.


Someone doesnít understand how traffic counts work.

Someone is very condescending.
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #479 on: February 13, 2023, 04:16:46 PM »



Nah. Itís not that different. It brought out the same nonsense that youíre saying here. Most of the traffic is heading downtown. So it will go downtown.

And yes. Keep it as is. But donít replace it when that time comes.

Park East: 50,000 Vehicles per day
794: 100,000 Vehicles per day
Hoan Bridge: 40,000 Vehicles per day

Talk about bringing nonsense to the conversation. The Park East shares nothing in common with this.


No this actually makes my point. Most of the traffic is going to or coming from downtown. You don't need an interstate highway to accomplish that. In fact, I think given these numbers, it makes even MORE sense than I thought previously.

So 100,000 cars are supposed to get off at the Marquette interchange and onto city streets. Not sure in what world that makes sense, but you do you.


Someone doesnít understand how traffic counts work.

Someone is very condescending.

Dang, the audacity to say that after your last post.
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #480 on: February 13, 2023, 05:17:38 PM »

WisDOT's interactive traffic count map is located here in case anyone wants to pan around and see what the numbers are for themselves. 

Not to be pedantic, but the highest AADT on 794 is 94,400.  This drops to 67,700 "east of Water St".  Then down to 40,000 on the Hoan.

Adding up the AADT for all the ramps between the Hoan Bridge and the Milwaukee River is 25,900.  Subtract that from the Hoan's 40k means a thru traffic AADT of 14,100.
Not that impressive if the argument is this entire freeway is needed for the city's freeway system to function.  14k is what Water Street has downtown.

These numbers bolster my position that the city will be fine if 794 doesn't go all the way through downtown as a freeway.
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #481 on: February 13, 2023, 07:57:39 PM »

^ But that implies that no traffic is using both the east-west segment and the bridge, which I've done and certainly others have too.
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #482 on: February 13, 2023, 08:12:52 PM »

WisDOT's interactive traffic count map is located here in case anyone wants to pan around and see what the numbers are for themselves. 

Not to be pedantic, but the highest AADT on 794 is 94,400.  This drops to 67,700 "east of Water St".  Then down to 40,000 on the Hoan.

Adding up the AADT for all the ramps between the Hoan Bridge and the Milwaukee River is 25,900.  Subtract that from the Hoan's 40k means a thru traffic AADT of 14,100.
Not that impressive if the argument is this entire freeway is needed for the city's freeway system to function.  14k is what Water Street has downtown.

These numbers bolster my position that the city will be fine if 794 doesn't go all the way through downtown as a freeway.

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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #483 on: February 14, 2023, 10:46:47 AM »

^ But that implies that no traffic is using both the east-west segment and the bridge, which I've done and certainly others have too.

What?  Its 14,100 vehicles a day on average.  Not zero.  Where are you getting that implication of "no traffic" from?
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #484 on: February 18, 2023, 11:33:12 AM »

What the traffic counts say to me is that people are using 794 for heading to Maier Park and the Museum Campus on Lincoln Memorial and maybe even the Deer District (vs Kilbourn). Personally, I have used 794 more as an entrance into and exit out of the Marquette than going over to the Hoan Bridge.

But that being said, I would still like at least a Parkway between the Marquette and Hoan.
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #485 on: February 19, 2023, 12:28:53 AM »

What the traffic counts say to me is that people are using 794 for heading to Maier Park and the Museum Campus on Lincoln Memorial and maybe even the Deer District (vs Kilbourn). Personally, I have used 794 more as an entrance into and exit out of the Marquette than going over to the Hoan Bridge.

But that being said, I would still like at least a Parkway between the Marquette and Hoan.

This has me curious... right now, you can't access the tunnel to Kilbourn Avenue from I-43 northbound; you can only get to it when going from I-94 eastbound to I-43 north on the ramp. Do you think maybe part of the traffic concerns of replacing the elevated freeway with a parkway could be addressed if they also added access to this ramp from I-43 north?
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Re: Milwaukee area freeways
« Reply #486 on: April 26, 2023, 08:44:44 PM »

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