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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1875 on: April 09, 2021, 09:13:44 PM »

OTOH, if one wants free-flow right to Mexican customs, there's always the north Laredo/I-69W border crossing.



That crossing is for commercial traffic only.  Kind of an important detail.

Crossing at the Colombia Solidarity Bridge, however, involves just three stop signs between San Antonio (I-35) and Monterrey (Carr. Fed. 85)—one at the I-35/TX-255 exit, one at the TX-255/FM-1472 intersection, and one at Carr. Fed. 2 immediately south of the border complex—and zero stoplights.

Did know that -- knowing truckers, they want to maintain schedule by having a direct shot at customs to avoid as much as possible any additional congestion delays beyond the expected official ones.  Other traffic with ostensibly less schedule issues (casual/recreational) is less critical in that regard and can simply head down to the end of I-35 and get in line. 
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1876 on: April 10, 2021, 11:55:00 AM »

Any word on when construction of US-59 on SH-185 will begin?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1877 on: April 10, 2021, 11:56:35 AM »

If they do decide to extend I-69C, then it won’t be anytime soon. At best, 20-30 years. The amount of right of way they need to acquire will cause business loss.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1878 on: April 10, 2021, 12:01:53 PM »

If the World Trade Bridge is commercial vehicles only, there doesn't seem to be any signs warning of it.  There should be some sign at the FM 1472 Exit and another big sign at the turnoff past that exit.  Maybe even signs on I-35 prior to the I-69W/US 59 interchange.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1879 on: April 10, 2021, 01:16:07 PM »

Any word on when construction of US-59 on SH-185 will begin?

It depends on what type of construction you are talking about.  TxDOT already considers US 59 to be built to Interstate standards through the intersection with SH 185 (yes, despite the vestigial shoulders on the railroad overpass).  Per the 2018 implementation report, there is a planned project to build frontage roads from US 87 to SH 185 (CCSJ 0088-05-098), but it has missed its planned let date of December 2019 and has not been advertised yet.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1880 on: April 11, 2021, 02:11:20 AM »

I found this on the web: https://ftp.txdot.gov/pub/txdot/i69-driven-by-texans/future-i69-tabloids.pdf

It’s a chart if I-69 status.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1881 on: April 11, 2021, 01:21:58 PM »

Any word on when construction of US-59 on SH-185 will begin?

It depends on what type of construction you are talking about.  TxDOT already considers US 59 to be built to Interstate standards through the intersection with SH 185 (yes, despite the vestigial shoulders on the railroad overpass).  Per the 2018 implementation report, there is a planned project to build frontage roads from US 87 to SH 185 (CCSJ 0088-05-098), but it has missed its planned let date of December 2019 and has not been advertised yet.
It looks like the let date was changed to 2021. And people anticipated that earlier.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1882 on: April 11, 2021, 02:39:25 PM »

It looks like the let date was changed to 2021. And people anticipated that earlier.

As a general rule, letting dates for projects are rarely set in stone and are much more likely to be postponed than to be moved up.  Where TxDOT is concerned, I try to find the CCSJ (if one exists) for any project I am interested in, as that is the key to the kingdom.  It's assigned once the work is packaged for construction and appears in the UTP, letting lists, etc.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1883 on: April 12, 2021, 01:39:29 PM »

Fun fact: I-69W/US-59 within Laredo will turn in a way that Southbound goes north and Northbound goes south.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1884 on: April 12, 2021, 03:29:18 PM »

Fun fact: I-69W/US-59 within Laredo will turn in a way that Southbound goes north and Northbound goes south.

There are a few other instances of this along the Interstate system -- current and future.  Future I-49 in NOLA, in the "northbound" direction, actually will cross the Mississippi River EB before curving south through Gretna and then west toward its US 90 alignment via Morgan City.  Also, EB I-64 in Hampton Roads (VA) actually terminates heading west after a half-circle around the east side of Norfolk; VDOT in a moment of being pretty savvy, just declined to put directional banners on that segment of I-64 to avoid adding to any potential confusion.

And if one thoroughly pored over the map of US highways, there would likely be dozens of short reverse-cardinal-direction instances, particularly when negotiating in-town alignments.   
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1885 on: April 12, 2021, 03:55:15 PM »

Fun fact: I-69W/US-59 within Laredo will turn in a way that Southbound goes north and Northbound goes south.

There are a few other instances of this along the Interstate system -- current and future.  Future I-49 in NOLA, in the "northbound" direction, actually will cross the Mississippi River EB before curving south through Gretna and then west toward its US 90 alignment via Morgan City.  Also, EB I-64 in Hampton Roads (VA) actually terminates heading west after a half-circle around the east side of Norfolk; VDOT in a moment of being pretty savvy, just declined to put directional banners on that segment of I-64 to avoid adding to any potential confusion.

And if one thoroughly pored over the map of US highways, there would likely be dozens of short reverse-cardinal-direction instances, particularly when negotiating in-town alignments.

In New Mexico, there's I-25 that does that weird jog through the Glorieta Pass, where northbound I-25 actually heads in a southeasterly direction for about 60 miles between Santa Fe and Las Vegas. In Connecticut, the Pearl Harbor Memorial Bridge carries I-95, but crossing the bridge, the northbound lanes actually head south while the southbound lanes head north.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1886 on: April 12, 2021, 03:57:24 PM »

Future I-87 (US-64) in North Carolina will head in a generally southernly direction between Rocky Mount and Williamston.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1887 on: April 12, 2021, 08:11:02 PM »

It also occurs at the current US59/77 concurrency south of Victoria, although US 77 is north on NB and south on SB.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1888 on: April 12, 2021, 10:36:30 PM »

Here’s construction on US-59 in Victoria between SL463 and FM1686.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/150105947@N06/?
January 2021
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1889 on: April 13, 2021, 09:32:56 PM »

Where exactly around Victoria will Interstate 69 split into its 69E and 69W legs? Is this project going to build that interchange?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1890 on: April 13, 2021, 10:15:02 PM »

Where exactly around Victoria will Interstate 69 split into its 69E and 69W legs? Is this project going to build that interchange?
I assume that it will be at the US 59/77 interchange where US 59 starts to go opposite bound (interchange near BUS-77 exit) On Google Maps, I measured the distance between that point and Reading Rd (Exit 100), and it said 102 miles.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1891 on: April 14, 2021, 11:31:41 AM »

Where exactly around Victoria will Interstate 69 split into its 69E and 69W legs? Is this project going to build that interchange?
I assume that it will be at the US 59/77 interchange where US 59 starts to go opposite bound (interchange near BUS-77 exit) On Google Maps, I measured the distance between that point and Reading Rd (Exit 100), and it said 102 miles.

It appears I-69C will end at a future I-69W at George West and then I-69W will continue on to Victoria to meet I-69E and become I-69 to Houston.

Also they are going to connect all 3 of these by building an interstate to replace TX-44 between Corpus Christi to Freer (I-6?) This is supposed to connect the port of Corpus Christi with Laredo.

As to where 69W and 69E will come together at Victoria, according to the Yoakum District Plan, I-69W will use the co-signed US-59/US-77 South Bypass of Victoria to reach the 69E stem coming up US-77.

The plan says that they have funded a conversion to interstate standards of 1.1 miles of this bypass in prep for the future 69W.

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1892 on: April 14, 2021, 09:21:09 PM »

Just to confirm (if Mr. Wiki isn't lying to me):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_International_Bridge

The Laredo World Trade Port of Entry was built in 2000 in an effort to relieve traffic from the congested downtown Laredo bridges.[4] All of Laredo's cross-border commercial vehicle traffic uses this Port of Entry, as the other Laredo bridges prohibit trucks. Passenger vehicles and pedestrians are not permitted to use this crossing.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1893 on: April 14, 2021, 09:46:15 PM »

Would it have killed them to have had Interstate 35 extend all the way to the border, instead of terminating it four blocks short of it? Then again, Interstate 69E terminates just short of the Mexican border too. I don't think Interstate 69W should have been the only Interstate of the three to go directly to the border.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1894 on: April 14, 2021, 10:25:21 PM »

I mean, I-35 still has space to build some overpasses south of its terminus. The trick would be the border tolls and booths.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1895 on: April 14, 2021, 10:35:22 PM »

I found this on the web: https://ftp.txdot.gov/pub/txdot/i69-driven-by-texans/future-i69-tabloids.pdf

It’s a chart if I-69 status.


So that says the 59/I69 upgrade from the southwest Rosenberg curve towards Kendleton was LET in 2014 and 2015.  Not a complex project and on flat, relatively unconstrained terrain, yet 7 years later and still not complete.  Ridiculous.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1896 on: April 15, 2021, 12:28:46 AM »

Wouldn’t surprise me if they finished this year.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1897 on: April 15, 2021, 12:37:11 AM »

I found this on the web: https://ftp.txdot.gov/pub/txdot/i69-driven-by-texans/future-i69-tabloids.pdf

It’s a chart if I-69 status.
What I really want to see is SH185 construction and Wharton Construction.
Another thing. They seem to completely ignore Jackson County.
So that says the 59/I69 upgrade from the southwest Rosenberg curve towards Kendleton was LET in 2014 and 2015.  Not a complex project and on flat, relatively unconstrained terrain, yet 7 years later and still not complete.  Ridiculous.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1898 on: April 15, 2021, 12:32:43 PM »

Just to confirm (if Mr. Wiki isn't lying to me):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_International_Bridge

The Laredo World Trade Port of Entry was built in 2000 in an effort to relieve traffic from the congested downtown Laredo bridges.[4] All of Laredo's cross-border commercial vehicle traffic uses this Port of Entry, as the other Laredo bridges prohibit trucks. Passenger vehicles and pedestrians are not permitted to use this crossing.

Mostly correct.  The Colombia Solidarity crossing was originally intended to take the cross-border commercial traffic.  That's where most of the toll money was supposed to come from on the Camino Colombia Toll Road (now TX-255):  truckers paying higher rates.  Mexico dragged its heels on constructing their part of the bypass and, by the time they were ready to start building, the state of Texas had decided to build the World Trade crossing, so Mexico connected their bypass to that instead.

It wasn't long after that the Cross Border Trucking Pilot Program was killed by fears over the safety of Mexican trucks on US roads lobbying by the Teamsters, who stood to lose union drayage jobs.  Although that backpedaling was against NAFTA stipulations, current and subsequent US administrations began caring less and less about NAFTA in general, and long-haul US-Mexico trucking doesn't hold much promise of returning—with Democrats being in the unions' pocket and Republicans being paranoid about anything that isn't 'America first'.  With the drayage system still firmly in place, and almost all the drayage yards still being located close to the city, most truckers preferred not to pay a toll in order to end up farther away from their destination.  So the Camino Colombia Toll Road went belly-up, and the state of Texas purchased the facility at auction on the courthouse steps.  Tolls were eventually removed, but that didn't solve the other problems, and it remains a relatively underused border crossing despite the World Trade Bridge frequently seeing long queues.

Currently:  Bridge I (Gateway to the Americas) is for pedestrians and passenger vehicles only;  Bridge II (Juárez–Lincoln) is for pedestrians, passenger vehicles, and buses only (e.g. Greyhound from Dallas to Monterrey);  Bridge III (Colombia Solidarity) is for all modes of traffic (maybe not buses, but I don't know of any carriers/routes that don't stop in either downtown Laredo or Nuevo Laredo, so it might be a moot point);  and Bridge IV (World Trade) is for commercial vehicles only.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1899 on: April 15, 2021, 04:14:09 PM »

Now that I think, I don’t like US-59 being on Loop 20. But now it’s too late to create a standalone freeway for I-69W.
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