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Title: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: roadman65 on September 23, 2013, 02:07:49 PM
In Florida we have four signals in Kissimme, FL that were installed and withing days the County of Osceola decided to set them to flash 24/7 because a study proved that the traffic counts did not warrant them.

We even have one on US 1 near the Kennedy Space Center that has flashed for the 23 years I have lived in Florida, however, I do not know the history of this signal.

In addition you had the one in Volusia County, FL just west of I-95 on  US 92 that flashed for years, and was recently activated as it was an event signal in the past when the Volusia County Stadium was in use.  Then in Downtown Orlando, the one a the Rosalind Avenue off ramp of FL 408 Westbound flashed throughout the early 90's to become fully operational when the City of Orlando decided to do a city wide project of reconfiguring streets that then made this a working signal.

In Plainfield, NJ there was one on Watchung Avenue at Third Street that was a flasher and never operated, so I imagine there are many of these that are used that way for many reasons.  I have not visited Plainfield since I lived there in the 80's so I cannot say what it is now, but nonetheless it was a signal that should have been a beacon.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: TEG24601 on September 23, 2013, 03:17:43 PM
Aside from fully functional traffic signals that are mounted in front of Fire Stations and simply flash until a truck needs to leave, I have only seen this situation on a temporary basis.


The one that instantly comes to mind was at the Intersection of Glenwood, Chevrolet, and 2nd St. in Flint, MI.  There was some incident at the intersection and it sat flashing as a 4-way stop for nearly 9 months, before coming back online, with the addition of a left turn segment from one direction.


Upon further reflection, the other one that comes to mind was also in Flint, was on Grand Traverse and 1st Street.  The signals have since been replaced with single flashing lights, but prior to the removal of most of the one-way streets in downtown Flint, the intersection has two, four-way signals at the intersection that flashed yellow in both directions on Grand Traverse (even though it was one-way Southbound), and red along 1st St.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: realjd on September 23, 2013, 03:25:01 PM
The corner of US1 and Masterson in Melbourne has this. It's set to permanently flash yellow on US1 (with a flashing red arrow for the left turn) and to flash red on Masterson. It's tied in to the nearby railroad crossing though and when a train is approaching, it gives US1 a red light and Masterson a green to clear out any cars queuing up on the tracks. I guess traffic didn't warrant a permanent light there but it is present for safety purposes.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: hbelkins on September 23, 2013, 09:36:07 PM
There's a traffic signal at the intersection of Maple Street and Boone Avenue in Winchester, KY (where southbound KY 627 turns from Maple to Boone, and northbound does vice versa) that has been there since I can remember, and definitely dating back to the late 1970s. It flashes red in all four directions and serves as a four-way stop. You can see the back of a stop sign in the link below. There's been a new set of lights installed there in recent years but a set of signals was installed instead of flashers.

http://goo.gl/maps/7KE5W
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: froggie on September 24, 2013, 02:21:46 AM
In my Mississippi days, I recall passing several locations with old traffic signals that had long since been reprogrammed as flashing beacons.  Don't remember any offhand, though...
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: NE2 on September 24, 2013, 02:47:06 AM
mmmm bacons
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on September 24, 2013, 03:05:43 PM
When the Pueblo West Walmart was built around 2006, Pueblo County insisted on a signal on the far northeast corner of the site http://goo.gl/maps/IxVFa - at Walmart's expense of course. The rationale was that traffic would be using that street for access onto Industrial Blvd. Instead, traffic (including me) exits to Industrial on a drive in the middle of the development that has no signal, nor does it need it. WIthin three months of Walmart opening, the signal was placed on yellow/red flash and has been there ever since. Another similar situation is at a shopping center on the far north side of Pueblo, where a signal at Wills Blvd. and Elizabeth Street http://goo.gl/maps/jiFFM has been on flash since it was installed. I think the intention is to wait until there is additional development and Wills Blvd. is extended to the west, which would give more through traffic than just people coming out of Kohl's. I would bet that both of these signals will still be on flash five years from now.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: hm insulators on September 24, 2013, 04:30:18 PM
Many years ago on the Hawaiian island of Kauai, just south of Koloa was one of those signals that flashed yellow for Poipu Road (the main road between Koloa and Poipu) and red for a private dirt road used by truckers hauling freshly harvested sugar cane to the mill. The idea was for the cane haulers to trigger the light to turn green for them by activating a control in the truck, but most of the time, the truckers were in no hurry (they were on "Hawaiian Time") and were content to just simply wait for a gap in the traffic.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2013, 08:58:50 AM
Bridge St in Trenton, approaching the Trenton Makes Bridge.  Flashing yellow for the thru traffic, flashing red left arrow for left turning traffic.  Never seen it do anything otherwise in the 15 years I've worked up here in Trenton.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: Kacie Jane on September 25, 2013, 11:35:38 AM
Seattle, WA, 6th Ave NE & Pacific St.  It's an all-way stop, and always has been AFAIK.  Full traffic signals were installed a few years ago, but I've never seen them do anything but flash red.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 12:20:38 PM
In Woodlyn (Ridley Twp., Delaware County) PA

MacDade Blvd. approaching the I-476 North on-ramp.  These signals have been on flash mode since they were erected in the late 80s (before 476 opened).

http://goo.gl/maps/ke5p9 (http://goo.gl/maps/ke5p9)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: roadman on September 25, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
In Malden (MA), there are two full signal installations by the MBTA Orange Line (rapid transit) station that have been operating on flash since they were installed.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: Sanctimoniously on September 25, 2013, 02:41:37 PM
This signal at Jackson and Harrison in downtown Monroe (LA) has flashed for as long as I can remember.

http://goo.gl/maps/a0ENT
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: lepidopteran on September 25, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
How about the signal in downtown Radiator Springs in the movie "Cars"?  Though it flashed yellow both ways IIRC. There was also an audible load switch.

The hamlet of Arcanum, OH has a unique signal that flashes red in all directions (if it's still present).  They are/were Crouse-Hinds art deco signals placed horizontally in vintage mounts, and had STOP command lenses for the reds only.  At least one of the other lenses was a smiley.  I think there are fixed, standard STOP signs present as well.

In Oklahoma City, there was a signal in the parking lot for Crossroads Mall which always flashed.  It was at a T-intersection, just before the "T" road crossed a (very) busy railroad track.  When a train came, the parallel road went steady green, while the Right Turn Signal/No Turn on Red (ball) went red, preventing you from turning across the tracks.  Not sure if there was a corresponding Left Turn Signal.  The whole installation has since been removed.

As I kid, I used to see a traffic signal that was always in flash mode between NJ-18 and the tollbooths serving NJ Turnpike Exit 9.  I think the cross street was the access road for the NJ Turnpike Authority buildings to the upper right.  The signal was removed in the mid-70s.

In Columbus, OH, a signal would be put in Flash mode with a sign on the span-wire reading "This signal under study for removal".

Finally, honorable mention goes to a signal in Toledo, OH.  At the corner of Central Ave. and Drummond Rd. in West Toledo, there's a R-Y-G traffic signal that's in flash mode at least 90% of the time, with yellow going to Central and red to Drummond.  It's there because of a fire station whose driveway is a few yards west of the intersection.  So heading east on Central, there's a "Stop Here on Red" sign at the intersection (sign only used for "special occasions"), and a similar "Stop Here on Fire Run" just short of the driveway; I assume the signal goes all-red in an emergency, though I never saw it.  But the signal appears to have a second purpose: it switches to stop-go operation for about an hour in the morning and in the afternoon, when the nearby Grove Patterson elementary school gets in and out.  This might explain why the signal was installed at the corner, rather than right at the driveway.
(Note: it's possible that this signal is now in stop-go mode 24/7, maybe due to traffic count increases.  Anyone know for sure?)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 04:53:25 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 25, 2013, 04:39:34 PMAt least one of the other lenses was a smiley. 

was the smiley ever an active light?

it seems like either a very whimsical town meeting ("guys, we have 60 bucks left in the traffic control budget we gotta use up before the end of the year") or an elaborate act of vandalism.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: lepidopteran on September 25, 2013, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 04:53:25 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 25, 2013, 04:39:34 PMAt least one of the other lenses was a smiley. 

was the smiley ever an active light?

It probably was, if the signal was ever in stop-go operation.

For the uninitiated, Crouse-Hinds "smiley" lenses have a banana-like "smile" pattern on the bottom of the bead pattern.

Two examples may be found at The Traffic Signal Museum, rare lenses page: http://home.comcast.net/~jab8356/rarelenses.htm (http://home.comcast.net/~jab8356/rarelenses.htm)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 25, 2013, 05:20:37 PM
For the uninitiated, Crouse-Hinds "smiley" lenses have a banana-like "smile" pattern on the bottom of the bead pattern.

I am uninitiated.  I had thought a "smiley" was analogous to a STOP, except the masked areas were the eyes and the mouth, revealing a standard 1970s yellow/black smiley face. 

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F8%2F85%2FSmiley.svg&hash=80ec13043d80d39cee91a60258880362036ca6d2)

thus my idea that it was either an elaborate act of vandalism, or the last town meeting of the year resulting in "I nominate that we spend the last 60 bucks to paint smiley faces on the yellow signals in the town".
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: NE2 on September 25, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
http://grapevine.is/News/ReadArticle/Smiley-Face-Illegal
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-troxrhlbnrc/UFfC3PjS6uI/AAAAAAAB2wI/pPnhuQHhJsc/w624-h432-no/cool-traffic-lights-smiley-face-heart.jpg)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: PurdueBill on September 25, 2013, 09:56:23 PM
This one at Portside Drive (http://goo.gl/maps/Uktju) (an office/industrial park driveway) and OH 18 has been reduced to a flashing beacon, but with the full signals (including westbound doghouse) left in place--even with diode signal heads.  They scrubbed off the stop bars on 18 and added a stop sign for the side street, so the signals are certainly on full-time beacon duty now.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: US71 on September 26, 2013, 10:03:55 AM
Old US 61 Leland, MS
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3605%2F3444890720_a0772f0bcf_z_d.jpg&hash=a450ec2730f8e7c897876590f773d357a6a21594)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: froggie on September 27, 2013, 06:18:41 AM
Were those middle bulbs flashing yellow or red?
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: PHLBOS on September 27, 2013, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 27, 2013, 06:18:41 AM
Were those middle bulbs flashing yellow or red?
Given the presence of that STOP sign, I would assume red.  It looks red to me.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: roadman on September 27, 2013, 09:12:06 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2013, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 27, 2013, 06:18:41 AM
Were those middle bulbs flashing yellow or red?
Given the presence of that STOP sign, I would assume red.  It looks red to me.
They look red to me also.  Wonder if they flash alternately in a "wig-wag" pattern.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: froggie on September 27, 2013, 09:15:10 AM
Couldn't tell from the image if they were red or not...hence the question.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: US71 on September 27, 2013, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 27, 2013, 06:18:41 AM
Were those middle bulbs flashing yellow or red?

RED

Simultaneous flash (no wig-wag)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: roadman on September 27, 2013, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 25, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
http://grapevine.is/News/ReadArticle/Smiley-Face-Illegal
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-troxrhlbnrc/UFfC3PjS6uI/AAAAAAAB2wI/pPnhuQHhJsc/w624-h432-no/cool-traffic-lights-smiley-face-heart.jpg)
He also says that the idea is not completely dead, but rather that city council will try and come up with a workable solution.

Would be nice to know what the point of using the smiley faces in the first place was.

Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: theline on September 27, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: US71 on September 27, 2013, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 27, 2013, 06:18:41 AM
Were those middle bulbs flashing yellow or red?

RED

Simultaneous flash (no wig-wag)
It's a bad idea, IMHO to flash the middle light red, rather than the top light. It's too easy to think that the light is actually yellow, especially in poor visibility situations, like heavy rain or with the sun behind the light. Thank goodness for the stop sign. Why would they choose to flash the middle light?
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: theline on September 27, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
It's a bad idea, IMHO to flash the middle light red, rather than the top light. It's too easy to think that the light is actually yellow, especially in poor visibility situations, like heavy rain or with the sun behind the light. Thank goodness for the stop sign. Why would they choose to flash the middle light?

I'll bet there is a strain of color-blindness under which the two appear identical, modulo brightness.

what an execrable idea.  and yes, this was an idea, not the result of decay or inaction - they specifically had to take the time to move the red lens into the middle slot.  what the shit were they thinking?
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: signalman on September 27, 2013, 06:23:31 PM
Quote from: theline on September 27, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
It's a bad idea, IMHO to flash the middle light red, rather than the top light. It's too easy to think that the light is actually yellow, especially in poor visibility situations, like heavy rain or with the sun behind the light. Thank goodness for the stop sign. Why would they choose to flash the middle light?
I'm guessing it has to do with the controller used and its lack of an all red flash mode.  The only flash mode available was a typical yellow/red combo.  So instead of changing the controller, they simply moved the red section to the middle on the one street.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: thenetwork on September 27, 2013, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on September 25, 2013, 09:56:23 PM
This one at Portside Drive (http://goo.gl/maps/Uktju) (an office/industrial park driveway) and OH 18 has been reduced to a flashing beacon, but with the full signals (including westbound doghouse) left in place--even with diode signal heads.  They scrubbed off the stop bars on 18 and added a stop sign for the side street, so the signals are certainly on full-time beacon duty now.

When that first got installed (used to live about a mile from there), it was a full time traffic light.  Then it it was a traffic light only during the day/flash mode at night.  And probably about a year after it was installed I never saw it in full operation again, only flashing 24/7 -- the big industrial-park-to-be fizzled out, so there was no reason to put into full-operational mode again.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: Alps on September 27, 2013, 08:34:43 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fnj%2Fmonmouth%2Fyellow.jpg&hash=deba7305803a22a0b36d69267442195ae5d34156)Fun in Asbury Park - the signal to the left is Red - Red - Yellow, and the signal to the right is... Yellow - Red - Yellow. The top sections flash until the firehouse needs it to turn solid red. Not quite in the realm of "signals not used as such," but in the spirit of colors in odd places.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: WichitaRoads on September 28, 2013, 12:48:29 PM
In Newton, Kansas, there is a scenario like this in two spots - the interchange between U.S. 50 and K-15, near I-135. Wire spans, they were put up more than a year ago. US 50 has been undergoing widening about a mile west of this location, but these lights were installed and have never fully operated, only flashed since late last year. Prior to that, they were tarped.

I was lucky enough to find them on Street View:

http://goo.gl/maps/Cyn19
http://goo.gl/maps/AvNPB

These pics show them tarped still.

I don't see the point of leaving them flashing this long... if they needed them (which I think they did), turn them on. Otherwise, take them down.

ICTRds
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: Scott5114 on September 30, 2013, 04:55:56 AM
US-77 and Hamilton Drive in Noble, OK is one of these. Leads to some sort of industrial company headquarters–maybe it only goes into full service at shift change, or maybe something greater was planned for that area that fizzled out.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: national highway 1 on September 30, 2013, 05:08:59 AM
These lights flash when the upcoming intersection's traffic lights turn red, because of the crest of the hill making it difficult to notice the upcoming traffic lights.
http://goo.gl/maps/D3LVJ (http://goo.gl/maps/D3LVJ)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: NE2 on September 30, 2013, 07:24:57 AM
Quote from: national highway 1 on September 30, 2013, 05:08:59 AM
These lights flash when the upcoming intersection's traffic lights turn red, because of the crest of the hill making it difficult to notice the upcoming traffic lights.
http://goo.gl/maps/D3LVJ (http://goo.gl/maps/D3LVJ)
This is pretty normal.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: dfnva on October 05, 2013, 10:10:31 AM
The only example I can think of in Virginia -- and it's long gone -- was at the original intersection of SR-645/Burke Lake Rd and SR-652/Burke Rd in Burke, VA for a number of years after SR-645's routing to the west of Burke was built.  Before this routing was built, it functioned as a normal traffic signal, but afterward, it remained in flash mode all of the time. Most of the signals were 12-8-8's, though, and odd couple of 2-section 12-inch signals with red lights (that flashed at the same time) replaced a couple of the 12-8-8's at one point.  The signal was taken down at some point in the late 1990s or early 2000s I believe.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on November 07, 2018, 06:23:28 PM
There is an old four-way Sargent Sowell traffic signal in East Tawas, Michigan, that has been in permanent flash mode since the '80s.
I'm new, and I don't know how to put photos in my posts, so here is just a link to a video that I made on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/erUpodPZDBs
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: jakeroot on November 07, 2018, 07:29:05 PM
I don't know if they were ever active, but the off-ramp from I-705 northbound in Tacoma, WA to E 26 St is in permanent flash mode. Off-ramp has the stop signs, with 26 St having priority. The off-ramp has a double right turn, clearly meant to facilitate traffic that was Dome-bound; if the stop signs weren't there, they could activate it during shows. But traffic cops run things instead, so the signals aren't used...

...But, they probably were used at one point. The 12-inch reds appear to be Eagle Flatbacks, but the 12-inch up arrow (used on eastbound 26 St) is a SafeTran (https://goo.gl/9PfA92). I assume the only reason for the mix of signals is that the up arrow came later, after a few wrong-turns up the off-ramp, but the Flatbacks were out of production by that point.

https://goo.gl/fcvKuK
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: index on November 07, 2018, 08:08:13 PM
There's this setup in Alloy, WV that uses a reconfigured 12-8-8 with the middle section flashing red. The rest just seem to be plain old beacons, one or two section. One of them's a 12-8.


https://www.google.com/maps/@38.1408015,-81.2788558,3a,75y,121.9h,102.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sImRG2y8GaU6zTXZtZ50X3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: jakeroot on November 07, 2018, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: index on November 07, 2018, 08:08:13 PM
There's this setup in Alloy, WV that uses a reconfigured 12-8-8 with the middle section flashing red. The rest just seem to be plain old beacons, one or two section. One of them's a 12-8.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.1408015,-81.2788558,3a,75y,121.9h,102.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sImRG2y8GaU6zTXZtZ50X3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Flashing red in the middle seems like an MUTCD violation (though I know it's not the only one in this thread). Those with Protanomaly could mistake that center orb for a very dim flashing yellow.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: US71 on November 07, 2018, 09:08:14 PM
Until a few years ago, there was a 4-way in old town McAlester , OK that was a 4-way flashing red.  It has since been replaced with a regular flashing red signal
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: ErmineNotyours on November 09, 2018, 12:15:31 AM
A former curiosity in the Renton Boeing plant: a 1970s City of Renton traffic light installation that was flashing only.  Boeing made this a closed campus when the Burlington Northern merger made the through rail line redundant.  Renton must have just installed the light on Logan Avenue, and Boeing didn't want to maintain it as such, so it went on permanent flash mode.  About 10 years ago, half the Boeing plant was given over to a shopping mall, and Logan was opened to traffic again, with new traffic lights.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: jakeroot on November 09, 2018, 01:32:36 AM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on November 09, 2018, 12:15:31 AM
A former curiosity in the Renton Boeing plant: a 1970s City of Renton traffic light installation that was flashing only.  Boeing made this a closed campus when the Burlington Northern merger made the through rail line redundant.  Renton must have just installed the light on Logan Avenue, and Boeing didn't want to maintain it as such, so it went on permanent flash mode.  About 10 years ago, half the Boeing plant was given over to a shopping mall, and Logan was opened to traffic again, with new traffic lights.

Do you know which intersection along Logan had that signal? I'm guessing N 8th.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: renegade on November 09, 2018, 12:18:05 PM
The traffic signals in downtown Sandusky, OH used to be set as four-way stops, but they changed them to single beacons a few years ago.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: thenetwork on November 09, 2018, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 09, 2018, 12:18:05 PM
The traffic signals in downtown Sandusky, OH used to be set as four-way stops, but they changed them to single beacons a few years ago.

I always felt sorry for those who were coming to Cedar Point from the west and followed US-6 through downtown Sandusky.  There were a LOT of traffic lights and turns between SR-2 and the Causeway.  There were a lot of quicker ways if they stayed off of US-6 (Perkins Road or SR-2) to US-250. 
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: steviep24 on November 10, 2018, 02:57:23 PM
This signal at Lake Rd. and Bay Rd. in Webster, NY has been operating as a beacon for decades.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2401351,-77.5148767,3a,75y,227.62h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjvSieU1fLWPQaYz5N8d3Gw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

It's been that way since the original Irondequoit Bay Outlet bridge was removed sometime back in the late 70's. (The current Bay Outlet bridge that was built in the 90's is seasonal and is open to traffic only from November 1 through April 1. The rest of the year it is swung 'closed" to allow boats to pass through the Irondequoit Bay outlet.)

Edited to add Google Streetview link which I forgot for some reason.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: ErmineNotyours on November 10, 2018, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 09, 2018, 01:32:36 AM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on November 09, 2018, 12:15:31 AM
A former curiosity in the Renton Boeing plant: a 1970s City of Renton traffic light installation that was flashing only.  Boeing made this a closed campus when the Burlington Northern merger made the through rail line redundant.  Renton must have just installed the light on Logan Avenue, and Boeing didn't want to maintain it as such, so it went on permanent flash mode.  About 10 years ago, half the Boeing plant was given over to a shopping mall, and Logan was opened to traffic again, with new traffic lights.

Do you know which intersection along Logan had that signal? I'm guessing N 8th.

Yes.  I could see it from Park, and I got a job in there and got to see it up close before it went away.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: index on November 12, 2018, 05:47:39 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.654291,-122.322409,3a,48.3y,353.13h,96.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb1CClk1Sg2Ld4a_Dl7oGig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.654291,-122.322409,3a,48.3y,353.13h,96.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb1CClk1Sg2Ld4a_Dl7oGig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)


Here is a setup in Seattle directly under a deck truss bridge that is used as an all-way stop. Round door bullseyes are also present on the signals, the whole setup and intersection is pretty neat.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: PHLBOS on November 12, 2018, 12:05:43 PM
Until sometime between 2008 and 2012 & based on vintage GSV; there was always a traffic signal set-up at this intersection (Humphery St./MA 129 & Ingalls Terrace) (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4676492,-70.9111141,3a,75y,257.66h,80.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siXKjaBnH0k4J1Y_HMi__Vw!2e0!5s20080901T000000!7i3328!8i1664) but it never operated on the standard R-Y-G mode for decades (as far back as the at least the 1970s).  It was always operated on flash-mode.  Note the original, 1940s or 1950s era signalheads mounted on the street light feaured flashing yellow for both Humphery (eastbound 129) & Ingalls.  The final streetlight-post mounted signalheads (shown in the above-GSV) replaced the old, original signalheads sometime during the late 80s when the old post was knocked over in a car accident (IIRC).  I believe the updated signalhead still flashed yellow for Ingalls Terrace.

IIRC, the signals were ultimately turned off flash-mode at least a decade prior to being ultimately taken down.

Note: at present, there's no STOP sign posted for Ingalls Terrace at Humphery St.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: jakeroot on November 12, 2018, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: index on November 12, 2018, 05:47:39 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.654291,-122.322409,3a,48.3y,353.13h,96.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb1CClk1Sg2Ld4a_Dl7oGig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.654291,-122.322409,3a,48.3y,353.13h,96.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb1CClk1Sg2Ld4a_Dl7oGig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Here is a setup in Seattle directly under a deck truss bridge that is used as an all-way stop. Round door bullseyes are also present on the signals, the whole setup and intersection is pretty neat.

That intersection is always a mess at rush hour. Not sure why they turned it off. Most examples in this thread, I understand...this isn't one of them. It used to have (what I assume was) a very helpful double left turn from 6th to Northlake, but they removed that when it was changed to flash mode, and the stop signs installed.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on November 18, 2018, 05:02:32 PM
There are a couple of Crouse Hinds type R 4-way clusters in Franklin, NJ, that are in permanent flash mode (not my video).
https://youtu.be/41l0TPiLKs4
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: US 89 on November 18, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
I'm fairly certain there was one on AZ 64/US 180 somewhere between the Grand Canyon and Tusayan. The mainline traffic was a flashing yellow, while intersecting traffic was a flashing red. I'm not seeing it on Google; perhaps Arizona or the park service figured it was unnecessary and removed it.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on November 21, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
I just discovered this Crouse Hinds DT in permanent flash mode in Cornersville, Tennessee: https://goo.gl/maps/x2M5deqzTdT2
There's also an Eagle 4-way signal with an 8-inch Eagle Flatback left turn arrow in permanent flashing mode in Sevierville at the intersection of Court Avenue and Bruce Street.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: freebrickproductions on November 22, 2018, 03:51:20 AM
Quote from: CJResotko on November 21, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
I just discovered this Crouse Hinds DT in permanent flash mode in Cornersville, Tennessee: https://goo.gl/maps/x2M5deqzTdT2
There’s also an Eagle 4-way signal with an 8-inch Eagle Flatback left turn arrow in permanent flashing mode in Sevierville at the intersection of Court Avenue and Bruce Street.
I've been through there and gotten a picture of it before, still hooked up to the (likely original) Eagle mechanical controller too! And a friend of mine got a video of the Sevierville, TN Eagle before it was turned into a 4-way stop.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on November 22, 2018, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 22, 2018, 03:51:20 AM
Quote from: CJResotko on November 21, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
I just discovered this Crouse Hinds DT in permanent flash mode in Cornersville, Tennessee: https://goo.gl/maps/x2M5deqzTdT2
There's also an Eagle 4-way signal with an 8-inch Eagle Flatback left turn arrow in permanent flashing mode in Sevierville at the intersection of Court Avenue and Bruce Street.
I've been through there and gotten a picture of it before, still hooked up to the (likely original) Eagle mechanical controller too! And a friend of mine got a video of the Sevierville, TN Eagle before it was turned into a 4-way stop.
Nice! I saw your friend's video. It's Gametrain Productions.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on November 22, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
Not too long ago today, I took a video of these old Crouse Hinds type DT signals in Arcanum, Ohio. They are horizontal, they are singular heads, with 1 facing each direction, the intersection is a 4-way stop and the signals are flashing red, although the signal facing the northbound High Street approach isn't flashing at all. The bulb must have burned out or something like that. https://youtu.be/HXx2-YZsbDU
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: freebrickproductions on November 22, 2018, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: CJResotko on November 22, 2018, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 22, 2018, 03:51:20 AM
Quote from: CJResotko on November 21, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
I just discovered this Crouse Hinds DT in permanent flash mode in Cornersville, Tennessee: https://goo.gl/maps/x2M5deqzTdT2
There’s also an Eagle 4-way signal with an 8-inch Eagle Flatback left turn arrow in permanent flashing mode in Sevierville at the intersection of Court Avenue and Bruce Street.
I've been through there and gotten a picture of it before, still hooked up to the (likely original) Eagle mechanical controller too! And a friend of mine got a video of the Sevierville, TN Eagle before it was turned into a 4-way stop.
Nice! I saw your friend’s video. It’s Gametrain Productions.
Different friend of mine. I was actually talking about this video from FanFan61618:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3DcxpMFIAM

Quote from: CJResotko on November 22, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
Not too long ago today, I took a video of these old Crouse Hinds type DT signals in Arcanum, Ohio. They are horizontal, they are singular heads, with 1 facing each direction, the intersection is a 4-way stop and the signals are flashing red, although the signal facing the northbound High Street approach isn’t flashing at all. The bulb must have burned out or something like that. https://youtu.be/HXx2-YZsbDU
Command lenses there! Nice find!
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on November 22, 2018, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 22, 2018, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: CJResotko on November 22, 2018, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 22, 2018, 03:51:20 AM
Quote from: CJResotko on November 21, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
I just discovered this Crouse Hinds DT in permanent flash mode in Cornersville, Tennessee: https://goo.gl/maps/x2M5deqzTdT2
There's also an Eagle 4-way signal with an 8-inch Eagle Flatback left turn arrow in permanent flashing mode in Sevierville at the intersection of Court Avenue and Bruce Street.
I've been through there and gotten a picture of it before, still hooked up to the (likely original) Eagle mechanical controller too! And a friend of mine got a video of the Sevierville, TN Eagle before it was turned into a 4-way stop.
Nice! I saw your friend's video. It's Gametrain Productions.
Different friend of mine. I was actually talking about this video from FanFan61618:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3DcxpMFIAM
Okay. Still cool either way

Quote from: CJResotko on November 22, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
Not too long ago today, I took a video of these old Crouse Hinds type DT signals in Arcanum, Ohio. They are horizontal, they are singular heads, with 1 facing each direction, the intersection is a 4-way stop and the signals are flashing red, although the signal facing the northbound High Street approach isn't flashing at all. The bulb must have burned out or something like that. https://youtu.be/HXx2-YZsbDU
Command lenses there! Nice find!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on December 09, 2018, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 25, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
The hamlet of Arcanum, OH has a unique signal that flashes red in all directions (if it's still present).  They are/were Crouse-Hinds art deco signals placed horizontally in vintage mounts, and had STOP command lenses for the reds only.  At least one of the other lenses was a smiley.  I think there are fixed, standard STOP signs present as well.

These signals are still there. I took a video of them last month
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on December 24, 2018, 12:09:31 PM
Coshocton, Ohio
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2621248,-81.8599161,3a,42.3y,196.93h,90.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgwyYRB7sbo1nm8FHlyow8w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on August 16, 2019, 06:11:46 PM
Mansfield, Ohio: https://youtu.be/LFluutfgxPc
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: ErmineNotyours on September 23, 2019, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: index on November 12, 2018, 05:47:39 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.654291,-122.322409,3a,48.3y,353.13h,96.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb1CClk1Sg2Ld4a_Dl7oGig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.654291,-122.322409,3a,48.3y,353.13h,96.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb1CClk1Sg2Ld4a_Dl7oGig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)


Here is a setup in Seattle directly under a deck truss bridge that is used as an all-way stop. Round door bullseyes are also present on the signals, the whole setup and intersection is pretty neat.

I recently found another example (https://goo.gl/maps/q3zecuqRZEYy5TJo9) in the U-District a few blocks from your example.  The ped heads have been removed and stop signs are up.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: doorknob60 on September 25, 2019, 01:40:04 PM
Broadway and Holladay in Seaside, OR. It's used as an all way stop, and includes traditional stop sign signage as well. As long as I'm aware, this has been a stop controlled intersection.

(https://i.imgur.com/o3zkQSV.png)
GSV Link (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.9932629,-123.9230416,3a,84.6y,182.33h,91.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saraqmQw5LFP5a-a5TlKtcQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: deathtopumpkins on September 26, 2019, 12:54:15 PM
About a month ago the city of Boston changed the intersection of Washington and Milk downtown from a two-phase signal into an all-way stop: https://twitter.com/walkboston/status/1169356487468228609

They left the existing signals up, and just set them to flash red. When I walked by today I noticed that they've mounted a stop sign below each signal, and bagged the ped signal heads.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on December 01, 2019, 12:24:14 PM
Sevierville, Tennessee (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8673416,-83.5656686,3a,90y,207.48h,98.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr0m6dt6qowf0BBYkaSzKSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: freebrickproductions on December 07, 2019, 03:41:28 PM
Quote from: CJResotko on December 01, 2019, 12:24:14 PM
Sevierville, Tennessee (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8673416,-83.5656686,3a,90y,207.48h,98.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr0m6dt6qowf0BBYkaSzKSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
That one was mentioned upthread.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on September 23, 2013, 03:17:43 PM
Aside from fully functional traffic signals that are mounted in front of Fire Stations and simply flash until a truck needs to leave, I have only seen this situation on a temporary basis.


The one that instantly comes to mind was at the Intersection of Glenwood, Chevrolet, and 2nd St. in Flint, MI.  There was some incident at the intersection and it sat flashing as a 4-way stop for nearly 9 months, before coming back online, with the addition of a left turn segment from one direction.


Upon further reflection, the other one that comes to mind was also in Flint, was on Grand Traverse and 1st Street.  The signals have since been replaced with single flashing lights, but prior to the removal of most of the one-way streets in downtown Flint, the intersection has two, four-way signals at the intersection that flashed yellow in both directions on Grand Traverse (even though it was one-way Southbound), and red along 1st St.
There is an emergency signal on Cantrell Rd in Little Rock that stops 4+ a center lane of traffic for a station and then there's another signal more aligns with what you're referring to on S. University Av that is a constant green until the truck needs to leave for a call.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: Finrod on December 15, 2019, 11:08:32 PM
Over a year ago they installed a traffic light at Paper Mill Road and Woodlawn Drive in Cobb County in metro Atlanta; I figured they were changing the 3-way stop there where traffic backs up horribly during rush hour (as much as half a mile) to a signal.  But no, it's still a 3-way stop to this day and the traffic signals there just blink red:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.947396,-84.4276682,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6Ba3kD7maqZc1li-IMP0YQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on May 07, 2020, 11:25:08 AM
Brooklyn, Michigan (entrance to the Michigan Int'l Speedway): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0580494,-84.2471208,3a,38y,282.46h,91.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI_J-epJ0FQaMkcnjxO6fCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: renegade on August 07, 2020, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: CJResotko on May 07, 2020, 11:25:08 AM
Brooklyn, Michigan (entrance to the Michigan Int'l Speedway): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0580494,-84.2471208,3a,38y,282.46h,91.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI_J-epJ0FQaMkcnjxO6fCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Operational whenever there's an event at MIS ...
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CovalenceSTU on August 29, 2020, 03:16:00 PM
This one on Broadway in Seaside, OR has been flashing for as long as I can remember. The signals and the signs are so old I'm convinced they're just waiting for all the lights to fail (one of them in the right of the picture did and it got taken down).

(https://i.imgur.com/KpryQar.jpg)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: STLmapboy on August 29, 2020, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on August 29, 2020, 03:16:00 PM
This one on Broadway in Seaside, OR has been flashing for as long as I can remember. The signals and the signs are so old I'm convinced they're just waiting for all the lights to fail (one of them in the right of the picture did and it got taken down).

(https://i.imgur.com/KpryQar.jpg)

Actually not a bad idea. Gets max value out of them as beacons.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: jakeroot on August 29, 2020, 05:47:01 PM
^^^^
I always wondered about that signal. Seemed like it was pretty old but the stop signs looked old too.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 29, 2020, 05:57:13 PM
A really strange signal in downtown Joliet that they decided to change to a 4-way stop.  The signal just flashes red these days.

https://goo.gl/maps/X47hzMqjBqhbcdVk8
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: mrsman on August 31, 2020, 02:59:26 PM
Here's one in Kensington, MD: (all-way stop)

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0296703,-77.0752688,3a,75y,95.29h,72.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEwyLAhmWZjndly45ek9NVA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: STLmapboy on August 31, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Not sure if it counts but check out this install in population-bleeding Northern Ohio. It started out as a string of lights (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302482,-82.3608065,3a,75y,33.81h,94.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAhyPgx689pYQCZ1t3wQQcg!2e0!7i3328!8i1664/) on a wire. By 2013, the lights were all proudly displayed from a single mast arm (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302704,-82.3608185,3a,75y,33.81h,94.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3xpn_jhBC3qDstNLmR7PHw!2e0!5s20130801T000000!7i13312!8i6656/) stretching diagonally over the intersection. Apparently the traffic counts didn't warrant a signal, however, so between 2016 and 2019 that sexy mast arm was changed to bear some undeserving beacons (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302637,-82.3608624,3a,36.1y,52.24h,97.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s56hOgiY_VlyL1ZKt7jXPVg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/), in my favorite Econolite poly buttonback design and with reflective backplates.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: thenetwork on August 31, 2020, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on August 31, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Not sure if it counts but check out this install in population-bleeding Northern Ohio. It started out as a string of lights (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302482,-82.3608065,3a,75y,33.81h,94.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAhyPgx689pYQCZ1t3wQQcg!2e0!7i3328!8i1664/) on a wire. By 2013, the lights were all proudly displayed from a single mast arm (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302704,-82.3608185,3a,75y,33.81h,94.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3xpn_jhBC3qDstNLmR7PHw!2e0!5s20130801T000000!7i13312!8i6656/) stretching diagonally over the intersection. Apparently the traffic counts didn't warrant a signal, however, so between 2016 and 2019 that sexy mast arm was changed to bear some undeserving beacons (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302637,-82.3608624,3a,36.1y,52.24h,97.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s56hOgiY_VlyL1ZKt7jXPVg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/), in my favorite Econolite poly buttonback design and with reflective backplates.

Interesting how the auto dealer has tapped into ODOT's mast arm as well...
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: webny99 on August 31, 2020, 11:08:07 PM
Since this got revived... here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.157785,-77.5282781,3a,75y,247.13h,84.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s39Z7AHwQmNowX81d1Bpjog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

This was a high-accident location back in the 1990's, ultimately causing left turns from the divided highway onto the side street to be prohibited (you can see one of the no left turn signs in the Street View). You can still turn left out of the side street, though.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: kphoger on September 01, 2020, 10:17:51 AM
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2020, 11:08:07 PM
Since this got revived... here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.157785,-77.5282781,3a,75y,247.13h,84.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s39Z7AHwQmNowX81d1Bpjog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

This was a high-accident location back in the 1990's, ultimately causing left turns from the divided highway onto the side street to be prohibited (you can see one of the no left turn signs in the Street View). You can still turn left out of the side street, though.

Am I missing something?  Those just look like beacons, not traffic signals being used as beacons.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: jakeroot on September 01, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on August 31, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Not sure if it counts but check out this install in population-bleeding Northern Ohio. It started out as a string of lights (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302482,-82.3608065,3a,75y,33.81h,94.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAhyPgx689pYQCZ1t3wQQcg!2e0!7i3328!8i1664/) on a wire. By 2013, the lights were all proudly displayed from a single mast arm (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302704,-82.3608185,3a,75y,33.81h,94.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3xpn_jhBC3qDstNLmR7PHw!2e0!5s20130801T000000!7i13312!8i6656/) stretching diagonally over the intersection. Apparently the traffic counts didn't warrant a signal, however, so between 2016 and 2019 that sexy mast arm was changed to bear some undeserving beacons (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302637,-82.3608624,3a,36.1y,52.24h,97.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s56hOgiY_VlyL1ZKt7jXPVg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/), in my favorite Econolite poly buttonback design and with reflective backplates.

Sep 2018: "SIGNAL UNDER STUDY FOR REMOVAL (https://goo.gl/maps/HXy2D4LbTDtEdtsu9)". Can't say I've seen that sign before.

It was already operating as a four-way stop with stop signs by that point.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: mrsman on September 01, 2020, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 01, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on August 31, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Not sure if it counts but check out this install in population-bleeding Northern Ohio. It started out as a string of lights (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302482,-82.3608065,3a,75y,33.81h,94.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAhyPgx689pYQCZ1t3wQQcg!2e0!7i3328!8i1664/) on a wire. By 2013, the lights were all proudly displayed from a single mast arm (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302704,-82.3608185,3a,75y,33.81h,94.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3xpn_jhBC3qDstNLmR7PHw!2e0!5s20130801T000000!7i13312!8i6656/) stretching diagonally over the intersection. Apparently the traffic counts didn't warrant a signal, however, so between 2016 and 2019 that sexy mast arm was changed to bear some undeserving beacons (https://www.google.pl/maps/@41.3302637,-82.3608624,3a,36.1y,52.24h,97.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s56hOgiY_VlyL1ZKt7jXPVg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/), in my favorite Econolite poly buttonback design and with reflective backplates.

Sep 2018: "SIGNAL UNDER STUDY FOR REMOVAL (https://goo.gl/maps/HXy2D4LbTDtEdtsu9)". Can't say I've seen that sign before.

It was already operating as a four-way stop with stop signs by that point.

I suppose the flash mode was part of their study.  Determine on a trial basis what a four way stop would do to traffic at the intersection before converting it permanently to all beacons.  Perhaps there are also public notice laws that require signs to be displayed in case locals want to comment.  At this point, it seems that the all-stop operation is new because there are flags surrounding all of the stop signs.

[And I'm glad they did a study.  If they determined that there was too much traffic, why go through the expense of reinstalling the signal?]

Another interesting thing to note is that the stop signs are displayed on both the left and right sides of the intersection, on all 4 corners.  These are retained in the most recent GSV (even though the flags are removed).
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: webny99 on September 01, 2020, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 01, 2020, 10:17:51 AM
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2020, 11:08:07 PM
Since this got revived... here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.157785,-77.5282781,3a,75y,247.13h,84.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s39Z7AHwQmNowX81d1Bpjog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
This was a high-accident location back in the 1990's, ultimately causing left turns from the divided highway onto the side street to be prohibited (you can see one of the no left turn signs in the Street View). You can still turn left out of the side street, though.
Am I missing something?  Those just look like beacons, not traffic signals being used as beacons.

You're right. They are just beacons. I guess I didn't think about it hard enough to realize the distinction.

I could probably find some *actual* examples at fire stations - I know I've seen them around - but the only one that immediately came to mind is just regular R/Y/G, not flashing yellow.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: mrsman on September 02, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
Quote from: webny99 on September 01, 2020, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 01, 2020, 10:17:51 AM
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2020, 11:08:07 PM
Since this got revived... here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.157785,-77.5282781,3a,75y,247.13h,84.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s39Z7AHwQmNowX81d1Bpjog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
This was a high-accident location back in the 1990's, ultimately causing left turns from the divided highway onto the side street to be prohibited (you can see one of the no left turn signs in the Street View). You can still turn left out of the side street, though.
Am I missing something?  Those just look like beacons, not traffic signals being used as beacons.

You're right. They are just beacons. I guess I didn't think about it hard enough to realize the distinction.

I could probably find some *actual* examples at fire stations - I know I've seen them around - but the only one that immediately came to mind is just regular R/Y/G, not flashing yellow.

I think the point of the thread are signals that are RYG but no longer change between the designations (ever).  And only serve as a flashing red or a flashing yellow.

Fire station signals (at least the ones that I'm familiar with) may be flashing most of the time, but will change to red to service the needs of emergency vehicles coming and going from the station.  I don't believe any are on permanent flash mode, even if they flash every time that I drive by.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: fwydriver405 on September 04, 2020, 05:36:40 PM
This signal (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4939175,-70.4480547,3a,90y,145.26h,93.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJtKpGXi1oRD3-mLsq7vVGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in Saco ME comes to mind. The R3-5 signs on the southbound side don't even line up with the lane configuration on the pavement anymore, and I don't know when, if not at all, those signals were even activated or deactivated. Looks like they were installed in 2009-ish.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: paulthemapguy on September 04, 2020, 09:17:01 PM
A lot of signals in Omaha, NE switch to flashing yellow/red at night, when traffic volumes are lower.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: ErmineNotyours on September 17, 2021, 10:53:46 PM
Wallace, Idaho, home of the last I-90 traffic signal in a coffin in a museum has another old traffic light on the old I-90 alignment, but it's in permanent flash mode.  A light in one of the stop directions broke off and was replaced by a stop sign. (https://goo.gl/maps/1ywTptbWXjqPThLJA)  Also still has dark textual walk signs.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on June 13, 2022, 11:30:22 AM
I came across something rather... unusual.
At the intersection of W Gold St and S Cansler St in King's Mountain, a fixed 4-way traffic signal is used as a beacon, but ALL of the indications are used here.
The Gold St approaches have flashing red, (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2380705,-81.3469672,3a,19.5y,93.42h,141.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTWu4B_z_uEjziAW-NT8iHw!2e0!5s20210701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) and the Cansler St approaches have flashing yellow (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2381157,-81.3469334,3a,41.4y,184.23h,116.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1mIN3rzFyVGUXWUHQHntwg!2e0!5s20210701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en).
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CovalenceSTU on August 22, 2022, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: CJResotko on June 13, 2022, 11:30:22 AM
I came across something rather... unusual.
At the intersection of W Gold St and S Cansler St in King's Mountain, a fixed 4-way traffic signal is used as a beacon, but ALL of the indications are used here.
The Gold St approaches have flashing red, (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2380705,-81.3469672,3a,19.5y,93.42h,141.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTWu4B_z_uEjziAW-NT8iHw!2e0!5s20210701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) and the Cansler St approaches have flashing yellow (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2381157,-81.3469334,3a,41.4y,184.23h,116.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1mIN3rzFyVGUXWUHQHntwg!2e0!5s20210701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en).

Some timed lights do this as well, in the middle of the night they'll flash yellow on the main road (since you have to yield to pedestrians) and red on the side road.

Quote from: CovalenceSTU on August 29, 2020, 03:16:00 PM
This one on Broadway in Seaside, OR has been flashing for as long as I can remember. The signals and the signs are so old I'm convinced they're just waiting for all the lights to fail (one of them in the right of the picture did and it got taken down).

Turns out my suspicions were right, over the last few years most of them failed and now they've all been taken out.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: PurdueBill on August 27, 2022, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on August 22, 2022, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: CJResotko on June 13, 2022, 11:30:22 AM
I came across something rather... unusual.
At the intersection of W Gold St and S Cansler St in King's Mountain, a fixed 4-way traffic signal is used as a beacon, but ALL of the indications are used here.
The Gold St approaches have flashing red, (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2380705,-81.3469672,3a,19.5y,93.42h,141.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTWu4B_z_uEjziAW-NT8iHw!2e0!5s20210701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) and the Cansler St approaches have flashing yellow (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2381157,-81.3469334,3a,41.4y,184.23h,116.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1mIN3rzFyVGUXWUHQHntwg!2e0!5s20210701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en).

Some timed lights do this as well, in the middle of the night they'll flash yellow on the main road (since you have to yield to pedestrians) and red on the side road.


All 3 aspects of a 3-head signal being red (or yellow) and flashing together as pictured is pretty rare, though. 
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: Troubleshooter on March 21, 2023, 01:24:26 AM
In Oolitic IN, there is a signal that used to be a regular traffic signal on IN 37. Then they moved IN 37. It is now operated as a flashing red in all 4 directions. This was cheaper than paying to tear it down. Interesting that it has two 4-way heads.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on March 23, 2023, 08:05:44 PM
KY 2373 at Buttermilk Town Center as a 4 way stop. Even has doghouse left turn phasing and auxiliary signals on mainline just being used for flashing red.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/j84XAtC7dGjJzjcd7

US 25 Bypass in Dry Ridge at Arnie Risen as a 2 way stop with flashing yellow for the mainline. Also has doghouse signals on mainline only being used as beacons. This signal may actually be activated in the future due to a proposed project in the area.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/YjLV2hiF7F9SzdRQ8
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: Bitmapped on March 26, 2023, 09:18:06 PM
At Parkersburg, WV, the signals at the US 50 eastbound ramp at the Marrtown Road exit were put in when the interchange was built around 2005. They operated in RYG mode for a couple years but have been flashing for the past decade: https://goo.gl/maps/BGv41HFjLsKNNDkX8
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: wanderer2575 on March 26, 2023, 09:48:42 PM
The intersection of Milford Road and the exit ramps from westbound I-96 near New Hudson MI originally had traffic signals (on separate controllers) that I believe were always in flash mode (yellow for Milford Road, red for the exit ramps) from day one.  They eventually were replaced with flashing beacons.  https://goo.gl/maps/3hGk2qwChTofvXvb7

Interesting that on the south side of the interchange, the intersection with the eastbound exit ramp has always had a functioning traffic signal.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as beacons
Post by: hbelkins on March 27, 2023, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 23, 2013, 09:36:07 PM
There's a traffic signal at the intersection of Maple Street and Boone Avenue in Winchester, KY (where southbound KY 627 turns from Maple to Boone, and northbound does vice versa) that has been there since I can remember, and definitely dating back to the late 1970s. It flashes red in all four directions and serves as a four-way stop. You can see the back of a stop sign in the link below. There's been a new set of lights installed there in recent years but a set of signals was installed instead of flashers.

http://goo.gl/maps/7KE5W

These have been replaced with beacons.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: RobbieL2415 on March 28, 2023, 06:37:19 PM
This intersection,  seen in 2012, never operated in RYG mode and didnt have a STOP sign prior to 2007. Exit 66 on I-84 is extremely overbuilt with two four-lane frontage roads that really don't need to be four lanes. It is now just a beacon.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oUBTrThDta9D9ZYy9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/oUBTrThDta9D9ZYy9)

This signal operates as a beacon except for when the drive-in is showing movies. I wonder if ConnDOT owns it or the drive in.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/M3dWREJjFEPKaSZWA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/M3dWREJjFEPKaSZWA)

This signal will likely remain a beacon forever, given that it is augmented by a STOP sign. Sign has been there since at least 2009, but the signal itself is late-80s/early-90s vintage.

This one was removed in 2020 as part of a larger renovation of I-91. It only operated in RYG mode on weekdays during business hours.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Z8CtfMhXHpDUzBBe9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Z8CtfMhXHpDUzBBe9)
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on July 18, 2023, 08:19:13 AM
When the Suncoast Parkway was extended in Florida, they replaced the traffic light at the original end of the road that was always in flashing mode (https://goo.gl/maps/R4mvSm4Hu9WfK6MQ9), with two new traffic lights in a complete interchange that are also always in flashing mode and are supplanted by stop signs: https://goo.gl/maps/57bjJ61JMJwbaf7t5.

I'd be surprised if they never intend to set them to full operation though.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on July 18, 2023, 11:56:56 AM
There used to be these traffic signals just outside of Stanwood, Michigan, that were in flash mode 24/7 ever since they were installed at the intersection.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5843551,-85.4641551,3a,48.1y,148.71h,90.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMux7x5u8HRUWUkBBmRAAiw!2e0!5s20140801T000000!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu
They were eventually replaced with beacons.
Title: Re: Traffic Signals that are not used as such, but as becaons
Post by: CJResotko on November 07, 2023, 09:15:38 PM
Recently filmed these traffic lights that were set to flash mode in February 2023 in Lansing, Michigan.
https://youtu.be/Ie_ae6iHcL8?si=jHYPjUsM6x__kPxs