Here's something extremely rare, I plan to get a shot before it gets replaced, this signal is a rare Marbelite, I was told it was a type K:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0442838,-75.1435093,3a,28.5y,308.59h,106.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssqQZJyFkIjk5Zl-YQ7hOhQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
It's the overhead-mounted signal that's on the southbound corridor of the intersection
Rarest signal still in service (AFAIK) would be the Bakelite Horni signal in East Rutherford, NJ. Only other one known to survive is a single section beacon in a private collection.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 14, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Rarest signal still in service (AFAIK) would be the Bakelite Horni signal in East Rutherford, NJ. Only other one known to survive is a single section beacon in a private collection.
There could be several Horni signals in remote locations of the U.S. Trust me, this is a huge country
Quote from: traffic light guy on July 16, 2018, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 14, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Rarest signal still in service (AFAIK) would be the Bakelite Horni signal in East Rutherford, NJ. Only other one known to survive is a single section beacon in a private collection.
There could be several Horni signals in remote locations of the U.S. Trust me, this is a huge country
Possibly, but the west coast is not known for old setups. Neither is the Midwest, to my knowledge. Most old setups seem to be out east.
I don't think we have to "trust [you]" that this is a huge country. That's readily apparent looking at a map. :biggrin:
Quote from: jakeroot on July 16, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on July 16, 2018, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 14, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Rarest signal still in service (AFAIK) would be the Bakelite Horni signal in East Rutherford, NJ. Only other one known to survive is a single section beacon in a private collection.
There could be several Horni signals in remote locations of the U.S. Trust me, this is a huge country
Possibly, but the west coast is not known for old setups. Neither is the Midwest, to my knowledge. Most old setups seem to be out east.
I don't think we have to "trust [you]" that this is a huge country. That's readily apparent looking at a map. :biggrin:
Also, it seems Horni signals have been primarily found on the east coast.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 16, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on July 16, 2018, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 14, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Rarest signal still in service (AFAIK) would be the Bakelite Horni signal in East Rutherford, NJ. Only other one known to survive is a single section beacon in a private collection.
There could be several Horni signals in remote locations of the U.S. Trust me, this is a huge country
Possibly, but the west coast is not known for old setups. Neither is the Midwest, to my knowledge. Most old setups seem to be out east.
I don't think we have to "trust [you]" that this is a huge country. That's readily apparent looking at a map. :biggrin:
Would you say California is known for it, at the very least? They've got quite a few old setups, including plenty Econolite Bullseyes and a good amount of older 8/12 inch combos. It's easy compared to other states to find old stuff there.
Quote from: index on July 18, 2018, 02:02:20 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 16, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on July 16, 2018, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 14, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Rarest signal still in service (AFAIK) would be the Bakelite Horni signal in East Rutherford, NJ. Only other one known to survive is a single section beacon in a private collection.
There could be several Horni signals in remote locations of the U.S. Trust me, this is a huge country
Possibly, but the west coast is not known for old setups. Neither is the Midwest, to my knowledge. Most old setups seem to be out east.
I don't think we have to "trust [you]" that this is a huge country. That's readily apparent looking at a map. :biggrin:
Would you say California is known for it, at the very least? They've got quite a few old setups, including plenty Econolite Bullseyes and a good amount of older 8/12 inch combos. It's easy compared to other states to find old stuff there.
Yea, California seems to be the exception, though everything over there seems to be LED these days. Though they do still have a few neon peds and other worded peds tucked away in a few places, but are steadily disappearing.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 18, 2018, 02:07:49 AM
Quote from: index on July 18, 2018, 02:02:20 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 16, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on July 16, 2018, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 14, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Rarest signal still in service (AFAIK) would be the Bakelite Horni signal in East Rutherford, NJ. Only other one known to survive is a single section beacon in a private collection.
There could be several Horni signals in remote locations of the U.S. Trust me, this is a huge country
Possibly, but the west coast is not known for old setups. Neither is the Midwest, to my knowledge. Most old setups seem to be out east.
I don't think we have to "trust [you]" that this is a huge country. That's readily apparent looking at a map. :biggrin:
Would you say California is known for it, at the very least? They've got quite a few old setups, including plenty Econolite Bullseyes and a good amount of older 8/12 inch combos. It's easy compared to other states to find old stuff there.
Yea, California seems to be the exception, though everything over there seems to be LED these days. Though they do still have a few neon peds and other worded peds tucked away in a few places, but are steadily disappearing.
True. California probably has the oldest amount of signals relative to how many installations they have. Of course, every state, even western ones, have old setups. I don't know of any neon ped signals in WA, but we have more than a few text-only ped signals, and plenty of old Marbelite and Flatback signals. But nowhere near the amount of old signals that the east coast seems to have.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 18, 2018, 02:10:38 AM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 18, 2018, 02:07:49 AM
Quote from: index on July 18, 2018, 02:02:20 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 16, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on July 16, 2018, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on July 14, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Rarest signal still in service (AFAIK) would be the Bakelite Horni signal in East Rutherford, NJ. Only other one known to survive is a single section beacon in a private collection.
There could be several Horni signals in remote locations of the U.S. Trust me, this is a huge country
Possibly, but the west coast is not known for old setups. Neither is the Midwest, to my knowledge. Most old setups seem to be out east.
I don't think we have to "trust [you]" that this is a huge country. That's readily apparent looking at a map. :biggrin:
Would you say California is known for it, at the very least? They've got quite a few old setups, including plenty Econolite Bullseyes and a good amount of older 8/12 inch combos. It's easy compared to other states to find old stuff there.
Yea, California seems to be the exception, though everything over there seems to be LED these days. Though they do still have a few neon peds and other worded peds tucked away in a few places, but are steadily disappearing.
True. California probably has the oldest amount of signals relative to how many installations they have. Of course, every state, even western ones, have old setups. I don't know of any neon ped signals in WA, but we have more than a few text-only ped signals, and plenty of old Marbelite and Flatback signals. But nowhere near the amount of old signals that the east coast seems to have.
Want to say Portland had a few Wait/Walk ped signals in service up until sometime in the early 2010s. I want to say the same goes for California as well. I also know that either Portland or Seattle (I believe Portland) had a good number of neon ICC hand/man pedestrian signals in service (may still do as well). There's a few of them in service still not far from me in Madison, AL I believe, though I haven't checked on them in a while, so I don't know how many remain. They're also the last neon pedestrian signals in service here in Alabama, IIRC.
Speaking of neon signals, the Krossgard neon pedestrian signal would be another rare one to see in general. They were made in Cleveland, OH area prior to the introduction of ZIP codes, but other than that, nothing much is known about them aside from a two ads they produced (one from the April of 1957 issue of
The American City, the other from an unknown date). Despite being made/based in the Cleveland, OH area, none of the company's ped signals appear to have been installed in Cleveland itself, though one ad claims that Lakewood, OH used them. In fact, only two other cities are known to have used them are Bradenton, FL and Albertville, AL, the latter of which has the only two known surviving examples of these signals, both abandoned. Here are some pictures I took of them back in 2015, though they were still there, last I checked:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5487/18662420179_d926614a7a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ur8Mka)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signals (https://flic.kr/p/ur8Mka) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3931/18843460772_12f8cc3d68_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uH8EoG)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/uH8EoG) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5608/18662419639_d81a581949_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ur8MaR)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/ur8MaR) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3736/18660891460_7be2735d1c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uqZWTW)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/uqZWTW) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3857/18848585965_7477050c0f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uHzVW6)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/uHzVW6) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5567/18843460562_1c142b5248_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uH8Ek5)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/uH8Ek5) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5338/18822341436_7fd11e89f9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uFgqmd)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/uFgqmd) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3854/18227956713_673ce9c36f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tLK3tK)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/tLK3tK) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5460/18848585035_990fc3af6f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uHzVE4)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/uHzVE4) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3816/18226003184_97a59a1199_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tLz2Ld)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/tLz2Ld) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Here are a pair of photos of two that were in service in Bradenton, FL back in the 1960s:
(https://scontent.fatl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19247893_1397331710342944_7607798058135735430_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=60509fe461df9c3a46ddeb8701ded19d&oe=5BDE9488)
(https://scontent.fatl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19553920_1397331717009610_4849848036846493361_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8e3f2a77e4acf695ac986dba79f63112&oe=5BE622B0)
And here at the two known ads from the company:
(https://scontent.fatl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19554061_10211995747561976_527447775796182827_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=95f0000284c98b73e76182a2583a9af6&oe=5BCB0AAB)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1013.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faf258%2FSteven197981%2F_57_zpsgsrhhhdv.jpg&hash=9348849e5ba66b9aa458a43dfd8756ef1ada6bf1)
Interestingly enough, searching up the address on the bottom of the ads leads to this building (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4739298,-81.7810409,3a,78y,151.32h,106.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKHyKn0Bpyz6h264-3NXxaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in Lakewood, OH.
GE streamlines are also very rare, considering the fact that they're extremely old, and were only produced from 1952 to 1957. Eagle flat back doghouses are also very rare (I've only seen five of them in person). There are less than twenty of them in the U.S. I didn't know they existed until 2013, when I saw that some guy in my area named Macsignals took snapshots of them on photobucket. Luckily, I was able to document them weeks before they got replaced.
An old and rare traffic signal setup in Detroit, Michigan. 8-inch Marbelites (what I think they are) on the left, and 12-inch Eagle Durasigs on the right. https://goo.gl/maps/hQpcgw8UhZ82
The Marelite type L signal in Philadelphia is excruciatingly rare:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/33251183418_010f4aae6a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SEi1nQ)12-inch Marbelite type L (https://flic.kr/p/SEi1nQ) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
So is this 8" Eagle with the 12 inch adapter at New Second Street & Converty Avenue in Cheltenham:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1847/29853504077_cb913b0389_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mu41Fx)Eagle signal with 12" adapter (https://flic.kr/p/Mu41Fx) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
The only other inersection I'm aware of that has this is at Haverford@Remington Roads in Lower Merion, I might document them in the furture, but I'm debating since Ian already has pictures of them.
Worded pedestrian signals are nearly extinct in my area, but in other places across the US, they're still fairly common.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4810/46440015952_dc89590f87_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dKKdNd)Eagle Flatback worded pedestrian signal (https://flic.kr/p/2dKKdNd) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7863/45575940305_b22bce71d6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2croBde)Eagle Flatback worded pedestrian signals (https://flic.kr/p/2croBde) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4863/32616349548_d56dbf712d_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RGcjoh)Eagle Flatback worded pedestrian signals (https://flic.kr/p/RGcjoh) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
There were two more worded ped intersections, PennDOT terminated them before I got a chance to document them. I guess they couldn't help themselves.
How about a green pedestrian signal reading "LEAVE CURB"? from Burlington, IA (https://goo.gl/maps/nF9JrtxV3fuyA5Ei7)
This one has "DONT" in the upper section (https://goo.gl/maps/ppvheM3yk3vzpXNq5) can't tell if it has an apostrophe.
Quote from: Revive 755 on June 23, 2019, 11:01:53 PM
How about a green pedestrian signal reading "LEAVE CURB"? from Burlington, IA (https://goo.gl/maps/nF9JrtxV3fuyA5Ei7)
This one has "DONT" in the upper section (https://goo.gl/maps/ppvheM3yk3vzpXNq5) can't tell if it has an apostrophe.
Yea, those are pretty rare. They appear to have been an older style of pedestrian signal there for a while, and most likely, the "Leave Curb" would've been on 24/7, while the "Don't" lit-up when one shouldn't cross. They're now set-up to function as normal pedestrian signals though, from what I understand, so it winds-up looking a bit weird. Also, as a side note, two of those peds are from TSI and are also quite rare to find.
I have this, it's called an ASI Type E. Not much is known about these so if anyone could give me some info I'd appreciate that.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNs9PHwBQHf/?igshid=9h71gjpmpq6y
Also I apologize for the Instagram link, i don't know how to post photos.
Quote from: Kasey on April 15, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
Also I apologize for the Instagram link, i don't know how to post photos.
Here's the code:
[img]paste link here[/img]It doesn't work with your exact link: being familiar with Imgur but not Instagram, I'm not sure why...
Except Instagram is a pissbaby and blocks it.
Quote from: webny99 on April 15, 2021, 06:01:57 PM
... It doesn't work with your exact link: being familiar with Imgur but not Instagram, I'm not sure why...
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 15, 2021, 06:04:15 PM
Except Instagram is a pissbaby and blocks it.
That would explain it!
Works for me. Put the following link between img tags. I pulled it from the console. Hopefully it works for everyone else too. Not amazing quality, though:
https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s640x640/173869641_142171237850051_3246175140284482002_n.jpg?tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=8jYsdXZ0QToAX-FoqvR&edm=APU89FAAAAAA&ccb=7-4&oh=bde8b460f3c88398e819aeb81984d1d3&oe=609D0B4B&_nc_sid=86f79a
(I'm refraining from posting the whole image to not steal any thunder from the OP)
Not sure how rare it is, but I have a 12-8-8 Metal Econolite. It's from Denver, the listing said from what intersection specifically, but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was. I know that it is from the 1960s/79s, but not much else. I figure just the fact that it's a 12-8-8 is kind of rare, as this configuration seems to be disappearing.
Quote from: webny99 on April 15, 2021, 06:01:57 PM
Quote from: Kasey on April 15, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
Also I apologize for the Instagram link, i don't know how to post photos.
Here's the code:
[img]paste link here[/img]
It doesn't work with your exact link: being familiar with Imgur but not Instagram, I'm not sure why...
Thanks!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3121/2880760916_b769252c17_z_d.jpg)
I don't think you can get much rarer than this one in Kansas City.
^^^
Paseo @ Linwood (https://goo.gl/maps/6born1ND6DWNAEQv7) if anyone is interested.
Too bad they can't swap out the orbs for arrows so we can dump that ugly "LEFT TURN SIGNAL" sign.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 17, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
^^^
Paseo @ Linwood (https://goo.gl/maps/6born1ND6DWNAEQv7) if anyone is interested.
Too bad they can't swap out the orbs for arrows so we can dump that ugly "LEFT TURN SIGNAL" sign.
The Left Turn was a retrofit
Quote from: US71 on April 17, 2021, 07:28:03 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 17, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
^^^
Paseo @ Linwood (https://goo.gl/maps/6born1ND6DWNAEQv7) if anyone is interested.
Too bad they can't swap out the orbs for arrows so we can dump that ugly "LEFT TURN SIGNAL" sign.
The Left Turn was a retrofit
Well, the sign is the retrofit. Left turn signals without arrows aren't allowed anymore. My point is: swap out the orbs for left turn arrows so we can go back to just having the ornate pedestal.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 17, 2021, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 17, 2021, 07:28:03 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 17, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
^^^
Paseo @ Linwood (https://goo.gl/maps/6born1ND6DWNAEQv7) if anyone is interested.
Too bad they can't swap out the orbs for arrows so we can dump that ugly "LEFT TURN SIGNAL" sign.
The Left Turn was a retrofit
Well, the sign is the retrofit. Left turn signals without arrows aren't allowed anymore. My point is: swap out the orbs for left turn arrows so we can go back to just having the ornate pedestal.
The optically protected lenses were also a retrofit.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 17, 2021, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 17, 2021, 07:28:03 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 17, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
^^^
Paseo @ Linwood (https://goo.gl/maps/6born1ND6DWNAEQv7) if anyone is interested.
Too bad they can't swap out the orbs for arrows so we can dump that ugly "LEFT TURN SIGNAL" sign.
The Left Turn was a retrofit
Well, the sign is the retrofit. Left turn signals without arrows aren't allowed anymore. My point is: swap out the orbs for left turn arrows so we can go back to just having the ornate pedestal.
They both are. Originally that was a four-way through signal. Later on, when they added the overheads, they changed it to being a left turn signal and added the sign.
Not the rarest of the rare, but for anyone who's never seen what a U-turn signal looks like, here's one in Lake Buena Vista, Florida:
(https://i.ibb.co/c3V5TSb/05770-C25-7114-41-E0-8642-15-AC5-C4-C97-AE.jpg)
And a FYA U-turn signal: https://goo.gl/maps/xjcHGuZqZzyQnsMeA
Quote from: Big John on April 18, 2021, 10:18:23 PM
And a FYA U-turn signal: https://goo.gl/maps/xjcHGuZqZzyQnsMeA
Okay,
that wowed me.
Check out this doghouse bike signal (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5518829,-112.0287702,3a,15y,227.37h,92.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spVsK-kdnwdIHoKAsSHZPrw!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I found in South Jordan, Utah.
Quote from: CJResotko on April 19, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
Check out this doghouse bike signal (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5518829,-112.0287702,3a,15y,227.37h,92.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spVsK-kdnwdIHoKAsSHZPrw!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I found in South Jordan, Utah.
That's neat, but for the life of me I can't figure out why there's a doghouse for that signal.
Pretty poor placement of the doghouse signal pole and the "keep right" sign pole. Barely room for a bike rider to stay in their lane... The signal pole could have been placed between the bike lanes and the pedestrian walkway (and used one pole for both bike signal and ped head). Also, that dividing line between bikeway and walkway should've probably been white.
Quote from: CJResotko on April 19, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
Check out this doghouse bike signal (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5518829,-112.0287702,3a,15y,227.37h,92.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spVsK-kdnwdIHoKAsSHZPrw!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I found in South Jordan, Utah.
I've never seen a set up like that
Quote from: CJResotko on April 19, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
Check out this doghouse bike signal (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5518829,-112.0287702,3a,15y,227.37h,92.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spVsK-kdnwdIHoKAsSHZPrw!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I found in South Jordan, Utah.
A bit off topic, but what exactly is the point of the blank-out sign there? It seems to serve no purpose. Then again, I don't live there, so maybe there is a hazard I'm not aware of...
Quote from: MCRoads on April 20, 2021, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: CJResotko on April 19, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
Check out this doghouse bike signal (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5518829,-112.0287702,3a,15y,227.37h,92.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spVsK-kdnwdIHoKAsSHZPrw!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I found in South Jordan, Utah.
A bit off topic, but what exactly is the point of the blank-out sign there? It seems to serve no purpose. Then again, I don't live there, so maybe there is a hazard I'm not aware of...
If you're talking about the blank sign on the mast arm next to the green Mountain View sign, it's most likely an illuminated NO TURN or NO TURN ON RED display that only turns on when traffic facing the sign does not have the right of way or can't turn due to conflicts. It could also be an illuminated YIELD TO PEDS display.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on April 20, 2021, 12:26:08 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on April 20, 2021, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: CJResotko on April 19, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
Check out this doghouse bike signal (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5518829,-112.0287702,3a,15y,227.37h,92.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spVsK-kdnwdIHoKAsSHZPrw!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I found in South Jordan, Utah.
A bit off topic, but what exactly is the point of the blank-out sign there? It seems to serve no purpose. Then again, I don’t live there, so maybe there is a hazard I’m not aware of...
If you're talking about the blank sign on the mast arm next to the green Mountain View sign, it's most likely an illuminated NO TURN or NO TURN ON RED display that only turns on when traffic facing the sign does not have the right of way or can't turn due to conflicts. It could also be an illuminated YIELD TO PEDS display.
There's a lot of questions that I have about this setup. Likely those questions would be answered once the area gets more developed and we see the final orientation of the signals and the intersection as a whole.
The most likely explanation for the doghouse signal is that perhaps that was the signal head that was avaialbe in stock when the signal was ready to be installed.
But a really off the wall explanation would probably be to allow for bikes to turn right from the future median bike path on Jordan to northbound 85 (which has a bike lane). This can only safely occur at its own phase, when both WB Jordan and NB 85 have red lights. (EB Jordan could probably have green during this phase.) At the same time, it would also be safest to prohibit right turn on red during this time, so the blank out sign would probably be needed for a no turn on red at this phase as well. I see no other purpose for the blank out sign as the blank out sign faces WB Jordan and the peds cross to the left of WB Jordan, where left turns are prohibited. I guess the "no turn on red" could also occur when peds are walking along 85's sidewalk or perhaps during rush hours, but this area seems so desolate that it is unlikely that they need any NTOR signage at all, except if the bikeway conflicts with motoring traffic.
Another qn I have is with regard to why is there even a median bikeway and crosswalk in the first place here? It is an unusual design. At least with Lake Ave further south, there appears to be a full median bikeway treatment for a while to the west of 85. I do see that Jordan Pkwy further east has normal bike lanes and sidewalks on the right side of the street. So at some point the bikes will need to transition from the curb to the median in some fashion.
Here is a GSV at Lake and 85. 85 has a green and Lake has a lit up no right turn sign. No peds or bikes anywhere to be seen. Oh and of course an additional doghouse bike signal.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.545268,-112.022713,3a,75y,281.73h,90.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQUAnBKj79Ntd0ZJTWIFLiQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I think this deserves quality (clarity [sic]). I will crosspost onto a Utah category in Mtn West with the hopes that perhaps someone who lives nearby can check it out for us.
What I want to know is this: what is displayed on the other four aspects? Are two of them simply unused?
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Paseo @ Linwood (https://goo.gl/maps/6born1ND6DWNAEQv7) if anyone is interested.
Too bad they can't swap out the orbs for arrows so we can dump that ugly "LEFT TURN SIGNAL" sign.
The Left Turn was a retrofit
Well, the sign is the retrofit. Left turn signals without arrows aren't allowed anymore. My point is: swap out the orbs for left turn arrows so we can go back to just having the ornate pedestal.
They both are. Originally that was a four-way through signal. Later on, when they added the overheads, they changed it to being a left turn signal and added the sign.
Yes, I understand that. When I say "the sign is the retrofit", I mean the signals on that pedestal were never retrofitted with left turn arrows, with the "LEFT TURN SIGNAL" taking the place of that retrofit instead. I'm saying that the orbs should be swapped out with left turn arrows, so we can dump the silly sign.
Quote from: CJResotko on April 19, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
Check out this doghouse bike signal (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5518829,-112.0287702,3a,15y,227.37h,92.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spVsK-kdnwdIHoKAsSHZPrw!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I found in South Jordan, Utah.
Quote from: MCRoads on April 20, 2021, 12:01:50 PM
A bit off topic, but what exactly is the point of the blank-out sign there? It seems to serve no purpose. Then again, I don't live there, so maybe there is a hazard I'm not aware of...
Quote from: interstatefan990 on April 20, 2021, 12:26:08 PM
If you're talking about the blank sign on the mast arm next to the green Mountain View sign, it's most likely an illuminated NO TURN or NO TURN ON RED display that only turns on when traffic facing the sign does not have the right of way or can't turn due to conflicts. It could also be an illuminated YIELD TO PEDS display.
There are no bike lanes behind you in this view. The opposing bike signal must allow left turns, right turns and zig-zags to stay through on South Jordan Parkway. So it would be appropriate to either have a "NO TURN ON RED" blank out (or alternatively, a YIELD TO BIKES sign, if the state has an MUTCD supplement for opposing bicycle movements).
Quote from: kphoger on April 20, 2021, 04:27:09 PM
What I want to know is this: what is displayed on the other four aspects? Are two of them simply unused?
If I remember correctly, the aspects are:
- top: red bicycle
- top left: yellow bicycle
- top right: yellow right arrow
- bottom left: green straight arrow
- bottom right: green right arrow
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Quote from: kphoger on April 20, 2021, 04:27:09 PM
What I want to know is this: what is displayed on the other four aspects? Are two of them simply unused?
If I remember correctly, the aspects are:
- top: red bicycle
- top left: yellow bicycle
- top right: yellow right arrow
- bottom left: green straight arrow
- bottom right: green right arrow
Yeah, that's not dangerous or anything.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on April 18, 2021, 10:08:59 PM
Not the rarest of the rare, but for anyone who's never seen what a U-turn signal looks like, here's one in Lake Buena Vista, Florida:
(https://i.ibb.co/c3V5TSb/05770-C25-7114-41-E0-8642-15-AC5-C4-C97-AE.jpg)
Many moons ago, as a small child, I wondered why U-turn arrow signals didn't exist. I would see u-turn lanes signaled with left arrows and thought surely they could make a u-turn arrow. Recently they have started appearing around the Triangle of NC, and I am glad they finally listened to my idea :)
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Quote from: interstatefan990 on April 18, 2021, 10:08:59 PM
Not the rarest of the rare, but for anyone who's never seen what a U-turn signal looks like, here's one in Lake Buena Vista, Florida:
(https://i.ibb.co/c3V5TSb/05770-C25-7114-41-E0-8642-15-AC5-C4-C97-AE.jpg)
Many moons ago, as a small child, I wondered why U-turn arrow signals didn't exist. I would see u-turn lanes signaled with left arrows and thought surely they could make a u-turn arrow. Recently they have started appearing around the Triangle of NC, and I am glad they finally listened to my idea :)
And it's really appropriate to do so when U-turn is the only allowed movement. We don't want folks making a left into the barrier, just because they see a green arrow.
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I am glad they finally listened to my idea
You're happy that a government agency is reading your thoughts?
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Tahlequah, OK
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Muskogee, OK
Reminds me a bit of Oberlin, KS.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4004/4502788948_dd83b30116_b.jpg)
(https://flic.kr/p/7RTYhd)Oberlin KS Main St View (https://flic.kr/p/7RTYhd) by John Shiflet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/11236515@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3816/18226003184_97a59a1199_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tLz2Ld)Abandoned Krossgard Pedestrian Signal (https://flic.kr/p/tLz2Ld) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Looks like the Krossgard pedestrial signal was made by Tru-Fit Screw Products, out of Cleveland, OH. Tru-Fit Screw Products is still in business, but they no longer make the pedestrian signals. Their web site is at http://tfpcorp.com/ (http://tfpcorp.com/).
These might not be rare everywhere, but I have never seen these kind of pedestrian signals in Seattle (or anywhere in Western Washington) before.
Cross-posting from the 'Traffic Signal' thread:
Quote from: jakeroot on July 30, 2021, 07:23:35 PM
Curious what people know about this Econolite pedestrian signal I found in Seattle the other day.
Album: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmWnx79t (there is a video in here showing operation including countdown timer)
I've never seen another one like it. It's very square with short visors around the edge.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51342818465_47e774ff67_k.jpg)
Southwest corner (https://flic.kr/p/2mdZnb2) by Jacob Root (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62537709@N03/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51342544439_e955c54978_k.jpg)
Northwest corner (https://flic.kr/p/2mdXXHr) by Jacob Root (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62537709@N03/), on Flickr
Quote from: Big John on April 18, 2021, 10:18:23 PM
And a FYA U-turn signal: https://goo.gl/maps/xjcHGuZqZzyQnsMeA
is it me (or google maps), or is that signal wayyyyyyy back from the actual intersection?
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Quote from: Big John on April 18, 2021, 10:18:23 PM
And a FYA U-turn signal: https://goo.gl/maps/xjcHGuZqZzyQnsMeA
is it me (or google maps), or is that signal wayyyyyyy back from the actual intersection?
It is at the end of the right-turn lane of the side road. It is back since there is an island for that right turn.
This signal in Mt. Carmel, PA was unusual in two ways. (1) Both sections were lit continuously, (2) a "reverse" arrow is used for the green. I'm not sure, but I think the cross traffic got a flashing yellow, while the opposite side of the intersection met a flashing red.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8897/17843356203_725a5738e7_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tbKS9t)Mt. Carmel, PA (https://flic.kr/p/tbKS9t) by Mike (https://www.flickr.com/photos/63151554@N00/), on Flickr
This signal has since been removed, with a "STOP Except Right Turn" remaining. State Route 61 follows this continuity.
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This signal in Mt. Carmel, PA was unusual in two ways. (1) Both sections were lit continuously, (2) a "reverse" arrow is used for the green. I'm not sure, but I think the cross traffic got a flashing yellow, while the opposite side of the intersection met a flashing red.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8897/17843356203_725a5738e7_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tbKS9t)Mt. Carmel, PA (https://flic.kr/p/tbKS9t) by Mike (https://www.flickr.com/photos/63151554@N00/), on Flickr
This signal has since been removed, with a "STOP Except Right Turn" remaining. State Route 61 follows this continuity.
Red flashing lights with continuously lit green arrows aren't unheard of in Pennsylvania (see US 62/PA 8 in Franklin at https://goo.gl/maps/ZPtePwex35Tfc7RS6) but having the red on continuously would be odd.
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There's a 4-way traffic signal at the intersection of Parkovaya and Moskovskaya streets in Vorkuta, Russia. It's a very rare sight, as I don't ever recall seeing a 4-way signal in Russia.
It's still there and still works today.
https://www.google.com/maps/@67.4920847,64.0370612,3a,26y,324.59h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sW7px1F8Jv1kkqSnZtdT_4w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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There's a 4-way traffic signal at the intersection of Parkovaya and Moskovskaya streets in Vorkuta, Russia. It's a very rare sight, as I don't ever recall seeing a 4-way signal in Russia.
It's still there and still works today.
https://www.google.com/maps/@67.4920847,64.0370612,3a,26y,324.59h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sW7px1F8Jv1kkqSnZtdT_4w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I can't even identify who made it
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Smackover, AR
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Smackover, AR
that is both a neat signal, and name of the town.
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Smackover, AR
that is both a neat signal, and name of the town.
Here it is in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DUIgTdUK7I
I stumbled upon this video about ten years ago.
Clarksville, AR
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Smackover, AR
that is both a neat signal, and name of the town.
Here it is in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DUIgTdUK7I
I stumbled upon this video about ten years ago.
That "green + yellow" sequence was once used in East Germany. Sadly no more. In Russia we have our own equivalent of that, flashing green, which means the light is about to turn yellow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N1NKPTCaO8&ab_channel=MQsCues
Selma, AL still has a lot of old Eagle(?) 4-way signals without a redundancy, I think most of them have been retrofitted with LED lights though. There are several on Church, Lauderdale, and Washington, and MLK St but some other streets have 1 or 2.