It's a serious question... every time I'm down in the St Louis area I find myself stuck behind a driver or two that fails at this right turn no stop intersection... One of only three in all of Illinois. Here are two video examples of this and I just recently caught a third one
https://youtu.be/okaWrBrCusE
https://youtu.be/IYePIsbV7Ig
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
In "your" opinion, but if the last thread is any indicator you shouldn't be surprised if the peanut gallery doesn't agree. Count me as the first one in who thinks you do it excessively (and probably to make your videos seem more dramatic). Like I said, if you can't accept critique of your driving ability when you trash on others maybe this isn't the venue for your videos?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don’t put out videos being critical of others if you can’t handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
In “your” opinion, but if the last thread is any indicator you shouldn’t be surprised if the peanut gallery doesn’t agree. Count me as the first one in who thinks you do it excessively (and probably to make your videos seem more dramatic). Like I said, if you can’t accept critique of your driving ability when you trash on others maybe this isn’t the venue for your videos?
What does the disclaimer also say? It says to read the traffic laws regarding each clip you may be concerned about before commenting about it. If you think there's nothing wrong with being stopped in an active lane than you are the problem that exists at this intersection. I haven't seen this issue at the other two within the state granted it's been years since I've been at that one.
I haven't watched either video, but it seems like you have 15 minutes of video for just two relevant clips.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
In "your" opinion, but if the last thread is any indicator you shouldn't be surprised if the peanut gallery doesn't agree. Count me as the first one in who thinks you do it excessively (and probably to make your videos seem more dramatic). Like I said, if you can't accept critique of your driving ability when you trash on others maybe this isn't the venue for your videos?
What does the disclaimer also say? It says to read the traffic laws regarding each clip you may be concerned about before commenting about it. If you think there's nothing wrong with being stopped in an active lane than you are the problem that exists at this intersection. I haven't seen this issue at the other two within the state granted it's been years since I've been at that one.
You're one who is denial about your questionable driving ability, so who cares what your disclaimer says? Explain to me how you think you really think you can dictate the rules of commenting when you post this in open forum amongst a crowd of very experienced people with real world driving? If you want a rosier self affirming narrative then maybe sticking to YouTube or finding a Facebook group that agrees with you is a better approach.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
In "your" opinion, but if the last thread is any indicator you shouldn't be surprised if the peanut gallery doesn't agree. Count me as the first one in who thinks you do it excessively (and probably to make your videos seem more dramatic). Like I said, if you can't accept critique of your driving ability when you trash on others maybe this isn't the venue for your videos?
What does the disclaimer also say? It says to read the traffic laws regarding each clip you may be concerned about before commenting about it. If you think there's nothing wrong with being stopped in an active lane than you are the problem that exists at this intersection. I haven't seen this issue at the other two within the state granted it's been years since I've been at that one.
You're one who is denial about your questionable driving ability, so who cares what your disclaimer says? Explain to me how you think you really think you can dictate the rules of commenting when you post this in open forum amongst a crowd of very experienced people with real world driving? If you want a rosier self affirming narrative then maybe sticking to YouTube or finding a Facebook group that agrees with you is a better approach.
How about you explain your problem with horn honking at an obvious dangerous situation. You can't be that experienced if you are denying that you have an issue with the actions of those drivers.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
In "your" opinion, but if the last thread is any indicator you shouldn't be surprised if the peanut gallery doesn't agree. Count me as the first one in who thinks you do it excessively (and probably to make your videos seem more dramatic). Like I said, if you can't accept critique of your driving ability when you trash on others maybe this isn't the venue for your videos?
What does the disclaimer also say? It says to read the traffic laws regarding each clip you may be concerned about before commenting about it. If you think there's nothing wrong with being stopped in an active lane than you are the problem that exists at this intersection. I haven't seen this issue at the other two within the state granted it's been years since I've been at that one.
You're one who is denial about your questionable driving ability, so who cares what your disclaimer says? Explain to me how you think you really think you can dictate the rules of commenting when you post this in open forum amongst a crowd of very experienced people with real world driving? If you want a rosier self affirming narrative then maybe sticking to YouTube or finding a Facebook group that agrees with you is a better approach.
How about you explain your problem with horn honking at an obvious dangerous situation. You can't be that experienced if you are denying that you have an issue with the actions of those drivers.
If you're looking for qualifications I lived in Chicago and largely learned to drive there (right now I'm at about 720,000 over all miles behind the wheel). I never recall feeling that that laying on the horn was ever really a "necessary" part of driving in Chicago (or anywhere aside one lane mountain roads with blind corners). Yeah, I did it now and then, but it didn't make it the right thing to do). You're just plain aggressive and I'm surprised it hasn't gotten you into some sort road rage borne incident.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
In "your" opinion, but if the last thread is any indicator you shouldn't be surprised if the peanut gallery doesn't agree. Count me as the first one in who thinks you do it excessively (and probably to make your videos seem more dramatic). Like I said, if you can't accept critique of your driving ability when you trash on others maybe this isn't the venue for your videos?
What does the disclaimer also say? It says to read the traffic laws regarding each clip you may be concerned about before commenting about it. If you think there's nothing wrong with being stopped in an active lane than you are the problem that exists at this intersection. I haven't seen this issue at the other two within the state granted it's been years since I've been at that one.
You're one who is denial about your questionable driving ability, so who cares what your disclaimer says? Explain to me how you think you really think you can dictate the rules of commenting when you post this in open forum amongst a crowd of very experienced people with real world driving? If you want a rosier self affirming narrative then maybe sticking to YouTube or finding a Facebook group that agrees with you is a better approach.
How about you explain your problem with horn honking at an obvious dangerous situation. You can't be that experienced if you are denying that you have an issue with the actions of those drivers.
If you're looking for qualifications I lived in Chicago and largely learned to drive there (right now I'm at about 720,000 over all miles behind the wheel). I never recall feeling that that laying on the horn was ever really a "necessary" part of driving in Chicago (or anywhere aside one lane mountain roads with blind corners). Yeah, I did it now and then, but it didn't make it the right thing to do). You're just plain aggressive and I'm surprised it hasn't gotten you into some sort road rage borne incident.
These weren't in the Chicago area. There's nothing aggressive about honking at someone who is on their phone instead of paying attention to the road! I've gotten rear ended by that exact type of driver before so I have no tolerance for it.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
In "your" opinion, but if the last thread is any indicator you shouldn't be surprised if the peanut gallery doesn't agree. Count me as the first one in who thinks you do it excessively (and probably to make your videos seem more dramatic). Like I said, if you can't accept critique of your driving ability when you trash on others maybe this isn't the venue for your videos?
What does the disclaimer also say? It says to read the traffic laws regarding each clip you may be concerned about before commenting about it. If you think there's nothing wrong with being stopped in an active lane than you are the problem that exists at this intersection. I haven't seen this issue at the other two within the state granted it's been years since I've been at that one.
You're one who is denial about your questionable driving ability, so who cares what your disclaimer says? Explain to me how you think you really think you can dictate the rules of commenting when you post this in open forum amongst a crowd of very experienced people with real world driving? If you want a rosier self affirming narrative then maybe sticking to YouTube or finding a Facebook group that agrees with you is a better approach.
How about you explain your problem with horn honking at an obvious dangerous situation. You can't be that experienced if you are denying that you have an issue with the actions of those drivers.
If you're looking for qualifications I lived in Chicago and largely learned to drive there (right now I'm at about 720,000 over all miles behind the wheel). I never recall feeling that that laying on the horn was ever really a "necessary" part of driving in Chicago (or anywhere aside one lane mountain roads with blind corners). Yeah, I did it now and then, but it didn't make it the right thing to do). You're just plain aggressive and I'm surprised it hasn't gotten you into some sort road rage borne incident.
These weren't in the Chicago area. There's nothing aggressive about honking at someone who is on their phone instead of paying attention to the road! I've gotten rear ended by that exact type of driver before so I have no tolerance for it.
I didn't give your channel the pleasure to watching to the end (granted you do say St. Louis) given I don't want to elevate your Youtube profile more than I already have. That said, you do list yourself as from Waukegan hence why I refer to you as someone from Chicagoland. Essentially all you ever do in these threads is this the following:
- Post a dramatically titled video which could be construed as click bait.
- Point what you think everyone else did wrong but rarely point what YOU did wrong (which you do a lot of).
- Your content suggests you aren't disclosing the entire picture of the situation you are in and suggests that you "seek content."
- When people point out you are making obvious/potentially dangerous mistakes and being hyper critical of often minor things you become defensive/go into denial mode.
So the question I have that wracks my mind is; what are you looking for here? You clearly don't want a productive conversation and you clearly don't want any opinion doesn't align with your own. Is this somehow enjoyable making these videos and I'm just not getting what you get out of it?
I don't think that I'm in the minority here in saying that most of just want to see cool road pictures or POV videos of fun drives. I'm not saying cammer videos don't have a place in the Roadgeek world, but I really don't think for the most part this is the crowd that fits your market.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:17:19 PM
It's a serious question... every time I'm down in the St Louis area I find myself stuck behind a driver or two that fails at this right turn no stop intersection... One of only three in all of Illinois. Here are two video examples of this and I just recently caught a third one
More than likely you found yourself in that situation once, and then unnecessarily used the intersection over and over just for the purposes of compiling your video.
When there's a serious issue, that's fine...go ahead and honk. But what I also see:
You have a tendency to say people are going 15 mph below the speed limit in 30 mph zones. Your videos clearly show that you aren't driving 15 mph.
You have a tendency to criticize anyone going under the speed limit, yet that's the law.
You have a tendency to speed up to create an incident, and then honk at the other person.
In this latest video, around 4:49, you honked as someone merging into the center turn lane, which is exactly how it's supposed to be done. Would you rather them slow down in the travel lane and sharply turn into the turn lane, or merge full speed into the turn lane when someone coming the other way may also enter the turn lane?
It's one thing to post a list of videos of true bad driving issues. You're creating many of the issues yourself.
I also notice your dash cam doesn't have any identifying information, including the speed you're going. If it has that capability, I'm not surprised you turned it off to hide your true speed.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 14, 2020, 06:51:19 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:17:19 PM
It's a serious question... every time I'm down in the St Louis area I find myself stuck behind a driver or two that fails at this right turn no stop intersection... One of only three in all of Illinois. Here are two video examples of this and I just recently caught a third one
More than likely you found yourself in that situation once, and then unnecessarily used the intersection over and over just for the purposes of compiling your video.
I don't unnecessarily drive through anything. That intersection is an integral part of my drives every time I'm in that area.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
When there's a serious issue, that's fine...go ahead and honk. But what I also see:
You have a tendency to say people are going 15 mph below the speed limit in 30 mph zones. Your videos clearly show that you aren't driving 15 mph.
You clearly don't understand how dashcams work. They distort speed, and perception.
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You have a tendency to criticize anyone going under the speed limit, yet that's the law.
Actually , it is unlawful to drive excessively under the speed limit.
625 ILCS 5/11-606 — Minimum speed regulation. (a) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation of his vehicle or in compliance with law.
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You have a tendency to speed up to create an incident, and then honk at the other person.
Again, dashcams distort speed and perceptions, I do neither of the such.
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In this latest video, around 4:49, you honked as someone merging into the center turn lane, which is exactly how it's supposed to be done. Would you rather them slow down in the travel lane and sharply turn into the turn lane, or merge full speed into the turn lane when someone coming the other way may also enter the turn lane?
It's one thing to post a list of videos of true bad driving issues. You're creating many of the issues yourself.
The best way to do it is to not hesitate or linger within the lanes while slowing or braking, which in turn causes other drivers to have to do so as well. The purpose of a turn lane is to be able to turn without interfering with through traffic.
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I also notice your dash cam doesn't have any identifying information, including the speed you're going. If it has that capability, I'm not surprised you turned it off to hide your true speed.
I've considered enabling it, but sometimes I may be driving on a scenic stretch of road and might want to use it for a scenic drives video. Seeing such a stamp would be a distraction from that fact.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 06:33:24 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
In "your" opinion, but if the last thread is any indicator you shouldn't be surprised if the peanut gallery doesn't agree. Count me as the first one in who thinks you do it excessively (and probably to make your videos seem more dramatic). Like I said, if you can't accept critique of your driving ability when you trash on others maybe this isn't the venue for your videos?
What does the disclaimer also say? It says to read the traffic laws regarding each clip you may be concerned about before commenting about it. If you think there's nothing wrong with being stopped in an active lane than you are the problem that exists at this intersection. I haven't seen this issue at the other two within the state granted it's been years since I've been at that one.
You're one who is denial about your questionable driving ability, so who cares what your disclaimer says? Explain to me how you think you really think you can dictate the rules of commenting when you post this in open forum amongst a crowd of very experienced people with real world driving? If you want a rosier self affirming narrative then maybe sticking to YouTube or finding a Facebook group that agrees with you is a better approach.
How about you explain your problem with horn honking at an obvious dangerous situation. You can't be that experienced if you are denying that you have an issue with the actions of those drivers.
If you're looking for qualifications I lived in Chicago and largely learned to drive there (right now I'm at about 720,000 over all miles behind the wheel). I never recall feeling that that laying on the horn was ever really a "necessary" part of driving in Chicago (or anywhere aside one lane mountain roads with blind corners). Yeah, I did it now and then, but it didn't make it the right thing to do). You're just plain aggressive and I'm surprised it hasn't gotten you into some sort road rage borne incident.
These weren't in the Chicago area. There's nothing aggressive about honking at someone who is on their phone instead of paying attention to the road! I've gotten rear ended by that exact type of driver before so I have no tolerance for it.
I didn't give your channel the pleasure to watching to the end (granted you do say St. Louis) given I don't want to elevate your Youtube profile more than I already have. That said, you do list yourself as from Waukegan hence why I refer to you as someone from Chicagoland. Essentially all you ever do in these threads is this the following:
- Post a dramatically titled video which could be construed as click bait.
- Point what you think everyone else did wrong but rarely point what YOU did wrong (which you do a lot of).
- Your content suggests you aren't disclosing the entire picture of the situation you are in and suggests that you "seek content."
- When people point out you are making obvious/potentially dangerous mistakes and being hyper critical of often minor things you become defensive/go into denial mode.
So the question I have that wracks my mind is; what are you looking for here? You clearly don't want a productive conversation and you clearly don't want any opinion doesn't align with your own. Is this somehow enjoyable making these videos and I'm just not getting what you get out of it?
I don't think that I'm in the minority here in saying that most of just want to see cool road pictures or POV videos of fun drives. I'm not saying cammer videos don't have a place in the Roadgeek world, but I really don't think for the most part this is the crowd that fits your market.
I want a productive conversation in the sense of what is so hard about that intersection to so many people. I make scenic drive videos as well. If you look further on my channel, you'll see them.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
When there's a serious issue, that's fine...go ahead and honk. But what I also see:
You have a tendency to say people are going 15 mph below the speed limit in 30 mph zones. Your videos clearly show that you aren't driving 15 mph.
You clearly don't understand how dashcams work. They distort speed, and perception.
I have a dashcam. I know how they work.
I also have the ability to watch your video, determine the distance, and determine the time it took you to travel that distance.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
When there's a serious issue, that's fine...go ahead and honk. But what I also see:
You have a tendency to say people are going 15 mph below the speed limit in 30 mph zones. Your videos clearly show that you aren't driving 15 mph.
You clearly don't understand how dashcams work. They distort speed, and perception.
I have a dashcam. I know how they work.
I also have the ability to watch your video, determine the distance, and determine the time it took you to travel that distance.
crosscountryroads says he speeds up his videos by 1.4× because it looks too slow otherwise. I don't know if Crash_It does that, but with that 1.4× speedup, actually doing 20 would look like doing 28 in the video.
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
When there's a serious issue, that's fine...go ahead and honk. But what I also see:
You have a tendency to say people are going 15 mph below the speed limit in 30 mph zones. Your videos clearly show that you aren't driving 15 mph.
You clearly don't understand how dashcams work. They distort speed, and perception.
I have a dashcam. I know how they work.
I also have the ability to watch your video, determine the distance, and determine the time it took you to travel that distance.
crosscountryroads says he speeds up his videos by 1.4× because it looks too slow otherwise. I don't know if Crash_It does that, but with that 1.4× speedup, actually doing 20 would look like doing 28 in the video.
Talltale sign: Live radio music vs. dubbing in music.
When Crash_it goes actual speeds, his music in his car is playing, he talks, and you hear the dashcam 'beep beep'. It's very clear he's not speeding up the video. When he modifies his videos to skip over the boring parts, he often dubs in music.
Crosscountryroads also dubs in music.
We could probably have a more productive thread elsewhere discussing the permanent green right turn arrow. In fact, we already have that, I think. In this thread I prefer to ask the OP if he's played Untitled Goose Game? You might prefer it if you're such a honk-aholic.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 07:20:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 06:33:24 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
That's the longest one of these I've seen in a while.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
When there's a serious issue, that's fine...go ahead and honk. But what I also see:
You have a tendency to say people are going 15 mph below the speed limit in 30 mph zones. Your videos clearly show that you aren't driving 15 mph.
You clearly don't understand how dashcams work. They distort speed, and perception.
I also have the ability to watch your video, determine the distance, and determine the time it took you to travel that distance.
Well, you didn't do a good job of it.
Quote from: 1 on November 14, 2020, 07:34:51 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
When there's a serious issue, that's fine...go ahead and honk. But what I also see:
You have a tendency to say people are going 15 mph below the speed limit in 30 mph zones. Your videos clearly show that you aren't driving 15 mph.
You clearly don't understand how dashcams work. They distort speed, and perception.
I have a dashcam. I know how they work.
I also have the ability to watch your video, determine the distance, and determine the time it took you to travel that distance.
crosscountryroads says he speeds up his videos by 1.4× because it looks too slow otherwise. I don't know if Crash_It does that, but with that 1.4× speedup, actually doing 20 would look like doing 28 in the video.
I use a 1.33 speedup at times, I dub in music if the speedup is greater than that.
Quote from: STLmapboy on November 14, 2020, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 07:20:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 06:33:24 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
That's the longest one of these I've seen in a while.
Not quite to Alanland levels yet.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 14, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
That's not what this thread is about... it's about people screwing up at a very simple intersection.
Well, don't put out videos being critical of others if you can't handle people being critical of you then.
It's still not what this thread is about. If you want to be critical comment on the actual video. These are valid horn honks.
The right to limit posts of a certain type on a thread, or to direct someone not to post/post elsewhere, is reserved by the mod staff. A member does not have the right to limit debate on a subject or exclude posters from a thread by virtue of being the person to start the thread.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2020, 07:50:06 PM
When Crash_it goes actual speeds, his music in his car is playing, he talks, and you hear the dashcam 'beep beep'.
Is that what the thing that sounds like and old style telephone is?
am i the only one here who just wants to know what happened in court...?
Quote from: fillup420 on November 15, 2020, 07:30:08 AM
am i the only one here who just wants to know what happened in court...?
It got a continuance. The matter will be resolved permanently this coming Friday or even tomorrow if I catch the zoom meeting.
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
How was your safety compromised by a guy pulling slowly away at a drive thru window? Afraid he was looking at his food and his gear shifter would pop into reverse?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
How was your safety compromised by a guy pulling slowly away at a drive thru window? Afraid he was looking at his food and his gear shifter would pop into reverse?
That 20 second delay in getting his food increased the risk of e.coli
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
Maybe you shouldn't drive if you can't control your anger and focus on the road. Your actions have zero to do with "reasonableness" or "safety."
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
How was your safety compromised by a guy pulling slowly away at a drive thru window? Afraid he was looking at his food and his gear shifter would pop into reverse?
That's a completely different video from a different thread. Are you going to be on topic or not?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
Maybe you shouldn't drive if you can't control your anger and focus on the road. Your actions have zero to do with "reasonableness" or "safety."
So you're completely fine with a driver being stopped in an active lane? This has nothing to do with anger
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
Maybe you shouldn't drive if you can't control your anger and focus on the road. Your actions have zero to do with "reasonableness" or "safety."
So you're completely fine with a driver being stopped in an active lane? This has nothing to do with anger
I'm more fine with how the overwhelming majority others drive compared to what you demonstrate. You often drive like a jerk and you frequency display a tendency towards road rage.
Also, you dodged my question in the last thread. What makes you authority to judge anyone's driving ability? You clearly don't understand the things you do wrong which raises the question about what your actual qualifications are.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 14, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Nice disclaimer about how your honking the horn constantly and driving aggressively is somehow legit.
Yeah drivers like this guy are fucking assholes and IMO the road driving experience is made worse by people like this who drive aggressively and honk their horn every five seconds than the general incompetent driver who usually is a small annoyance but easy to avoid and forget about.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
one day you're going to fuck with the wrong motherfucker and your stupid prisky logic being Uber technical won't help you.
You are an asshole. No other way to put it. Somehow the majority of other drivers find a way to not find themselves in these situations except yourself. No amount of "˜well here's this traffic violation code' changes that fact and I'd bet a much larger group of people agree with that than those that would agree with you.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
How was your safety compromised by a guy pulling slowly away at a drive thru window? Afraid he was looking at his food and his gear shifter would pop into reverse?
That's a completely different video from a different thread. Are you going to be on topic or not?
Topics shift. You are completely avoiding the question, because you know you weren't in any danger.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
How was your safety compromised by a guy pulling slowly away at a drive thru window? Afraid he was looking at his food and his gear shifter would pop into reverse?
That's a completely different video from a different thread. Are you going to be on topic or not?
Topics shift. You are completely avoiding the question, because you know you weren't in any danger.
I have to wonder if this person is legitimately trolling or if they genuinely believe the crap they're spewing. I know at least one dash cammer in OKC I've seen on YouTube who post videos in similar vein to this guy but not nearly as bad. I just can't imagine driving like this.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 15, 2020, 11:00:15 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
How was your safety compromised by a guy pulling slowly away at a drive thru window? Afraid he was looking at his food and his gear shifter would pop into reverse?
That's a completely different video from a different thread. Are you going to be on topic or not?
Topics shift. You are completely avoiding the question, because you know you weren't in any danger.
I have to wonder if this person is legitimately trolling or if they genuinely believe the crap they're spewing. I know at least one dash cammer in OKC I've seen on YouTube who post videos in similar vein to this guy but not nearly as bad. I just can't imagine driving like this.
Considering how many videos are on the OPs channel I think it's the latter. The former did cross my mind though given there are a lot of FritzOwl-like responses.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 11:34:19 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 15, 2020, 11:00:15 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2020, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
How was your safety compromised by a guy pulling slowly away at a drive thru window? Afraid he was looking at his food and his gear shifter would pop into reverse?
That's a completely different video from a different thread. Are you going to be on topic or not?
Topics shift. You are completely avoiding the question, because you know you weren't in any danger.
I have to wonder if this person is legitimately trolling or if they genuinely believe the crap they're spewing. I know at least one dash cammer in OKC I've seen on YouTube who post videos in similar vein to this guy but not nearly as bad. I just can't imagine driving like this.
Considering how many videos are on the OPs channel I think it's the latter. The former did cross my mind though given there are a lot of FritzOwl-like responses.
Wow that's crazy. I just went and looked through them but didn't click any. Don't want to give this guy anymore clicks. What a nut.
:popcorn:
Reading through some of the video titles it seems this dude has had the cops called on him and has tried to goad police officers into pulling him him over.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
Maybe you shouldn't drive if you can't control your anger and focus on the road. Your actions have zero to do with "reasonableness" or "safety."
So you're completely fine with a driver being stopped in an active lane? This has nothing to do with anger
I'm more fine with how the overwhelming majority others drive compared to what you demonstrate. You often drive like a jerk and you frequency display a tendency towards road rage.
Also, you dodged my question in the last thread. What makes you authority to judge anyone's driving ability? You clearly don't understand the things you do wrong which raises the question about what your actual qualifications are.
Because I've done nothing wrong, just honked at someone for being stopped when they weren't supposed to be. Even the cop agreed with me on that.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 16, 2020, 01:54:59 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
Maybe you shouldn't drive if you can't control your anger and focus on the road. Your actions have zero to do with "reasonableness" or "safety."
So you're completely fine with a driver being stopped in an active lane? This has nothing to do with anger
I'm more fine with how the overwhelming majority others drive compared to what you demonstrate. You often drive like a jerk and you frequency display a tendency towards road rage.
Also, you dodged my question in the last thread. What makes you authority to judge anyone's driving ability? You clearly don't understand the things you do wrong which raises the question about what your actual qualifications are.
Because I've done nothing wrong, just honked at someone for being stopped when they weren't supposed to be. Even the cop agreed with me on that.
Unless there's more to the video than what you have shown, the cop even seems to be almost equally as frustrated with you even though the other lady is the one causing him to have to do more paperwork. I didn't get the vibe the cop was exactly buddy buddy with you at all. In fact in parts of the video he seemed to be rather frustrated with you and didn't express until the lady made it clear she wanted you both to be ticketed anyways and then the officer expressed his true feelings.
In almost every clip, I'd rather have to deal with the "offending" driver than the cammer(which is you). To me, you fall in the same category as left lane campers, rubberneckers, and the type of people who occupy two lanes when they narrow to one during a merge scenario. You are looking for a problem instead of being ready to solve it by being defensive and keeping to yourself. There is a clear and divine difference between being defensive and aggressive and then there's the clueless or the stupid drivers. To me that primarily separates the three types of drivers and you easily fall into the aggressive category with flying colors.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 16, 2020, 02:27:27 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 16, 2020, 01:54:59 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
Maybe you shouldn't drive if you can't control your anger and focus on the road. Your actions have zero to do with "reasonableness" or "safety."
So you're completely fine with a driver being stopped in an active lane? This has nothing to do with anger
I'm more fine with how the overwhelming majority others drive compared to what you demonstrate. You often drive like a jerk and you frequency display a tendency towards road rage.
Also, you dodged my question in the last thread. What makes you authority to judge anyone's driving ability? You clearly don't understand the things you do wrong which raises the question about what your actual qualifications are.
Because I've done nothing wrong, just honked at someone for being stopped when they weren't supposed to be. Even the cop agreed with me on that.
Unless there's more to the video than what you have shown, the cop even seems to be almost equally as frustrated with you even though the other lady is the one causing him to have to do more paperwork. I didn't get the vibe the cop was exactly buddy buddy with you at all. In fact in parts of the video he seemed to be rather frustrated with you and didn't express until the lady made it clear she wanted you both to be ticketed anyways and then the officer expressed his true feelings.
He still said there was no problem with the honking of the horn.
Quote
In almost every clip, I'd rather have to deal with the "offending" driver than the cammer(which is you). To me, you fall in the same category as left lane campers, rubberneckers, and the type of people who occupy two lanes when they narrow to one during a merge scenario. You are looking for a problem instead of being ready to solve it by being defensive and keeping to yourself. There is a clear and divine difference between being defensive and aggressive and then there's the clueless or the stupid drivers. To me that primarily separates the three types of drivers and you easily fall into the aggressive category with flying colors.
Definitely not in that category, I hate all of those and have shown them in my videos. You seem like the type that would get mad at another driver for honking the horn instead of accepting it and moving on.
No i don't let the actions of other drivers get to me. Though when I witness it I get mildly annoyed but I keep my emotions in check when I'm operating a 3,000 pound piece of metal.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 16, 2020, 01:54:59 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 15, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
Thought I'd leave this here ...
From the Illinois Vehicle Code:
Sec. 12-601. Horns and warning devices.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonable loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(emphasis added)
:popcorn:
And that's what I do. If I feel my safety is compromised by the actions of another driver... I use it.
Maybe you shouldn't drive if you can't control your anger and focus on the road. Your actions have zero to do with "reasonableness" or "safety."
So you're completely fine with a driver being stopped in an active lane? This has nothing to do with anger
I'm more fine with how the overwhelming majority others drive compared to what you demonstrate. You often drive like a jerk and you frequency display a tendency towards road rage.
Also, you dodged my question in the last thread. What makes you authority to judge anyone's driving ability? You clearly don't understand the things you do wrong which raises the question about what your actual qualifications are.
Because I deny any reality that isn't my own, even the cop agreed with me on that
K Fritz...
In regards to the video of the ticket...
The cop said he agreed that it was fine honking the horn. But, that's not what the issue is about here when it comes to the tickets. The real issue is that you tried to cut her off after you passed her, which is why you were given the ticket for improper lane usage. The ticket she got may be for one of those infractions you mentioned in the video. Whatever it was, it's probably the same fine and same number of points as your ticket. Don't think she got more than one ticket.
In court, I could see it going like this:
A) The cop doesn't show up because he thinks this whole issue is stupid.
B) The judge doesn't care and throws out both tickets because he thinks this whole thing is stupid.
After that, it may not go well for you:
C) The judge thinks you initiated the issue. He may say you blew the horn excessively, and early, because you weren't even behind her at the time. If you rolled up behind her and tapped the horn, everything would've been fine.
D) The judge thinks you initiated the issue by speeding past her and immediately cutting into her lane. You have a lane ahead of you and had no reason to switch lanes.
You are, of course, going to think she initiated the issue by stopping in a thru lane. In which case...
E) The judge believes she initiated the issue by stopping in a thru lane.
Remember...you stated on that video at 2:57 that "You almost slammed into the back of her". At first, you were quite a distance away from her and started blowing the horn. You blew the horn for OVER 6 SECONDS. She could easily have been confused at that which is why she slammed on the brakes, when you almost did hit her.
Assuming you sent the cop the entire video from start to finish, he's probably going to review the first 15 seconds and get a good idea what happened. He may even show it to others in the station. Honestly, I don't see how a reasonable officer would find you completely innocent here.
As an aside, she initially reported you as a Reckless driver. To the police, this would be considered a possibly impaired driver on drugs or alcohol. It appears the cop caught up to you and followed you for a while. It appears you were driving more like a sane driver while the cop watched, and didn't see any obvious signs of impairment. When he approached the car, he obviously didn't seem very concerned in his tone of voice, and figured this was just a minor issue which he'll just tell both drivers to remain relaxed and calm while driving, and everyone just takes off. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 16, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
In regards to the video of the ticket...
The cop said he agreed that it was fine honking the horn. But, that's not what the issue is about here when it comes to the tickets. The real issue is that you tried to cut her off after you passed her, which is why you were given the ticket for improper lane usage. The ticket she got may be for one of those infractions you mentioned in the video. Whatever it was, it's probably the same fine and same number of points as your ticket. Don't think she got more than one ticket.
In court, I could see it going like this:
A) The cop doesn't show up because he thinks this whole issue is stupid.
B) The judge doesn't care and throws out both tickets because he thinks this whole thing is stupid.
After that, it may not go well for you:
C) The judge thinks you initiated the issue. He may say you blew the horn excessively, and early, because you weren't even behind her at the time. If you rolled up behind her and tapped the horn, everything would've been fine.
D) The judge thinks you initiated the issue by speeding past her and immediately cutting into her lane. You have a lane ahead of you and had no reason to switch lanes.
You are, of course, going to think she initiated the issue by stopping in a thru lane. In which case...
E) The judge believes she initiated the issue by stopping in a thru lane.
Remember...you stated on that video at 2:57 that "You almost slammed into the back of her". At first, you were quite a distance away from her and started blowing the horn. You blew the horn for OVER 6 SECONDS. She could easily have been confused at that which is why she slammed on the brakes, when you almost did hit her.
Assuming you sent the cop the entire video from start to finish, he's probably going to review the first 15 seconds and get a good idea what happened. He may even show it to others in the station. Honestly, I don't see how a reasonable officer would find you completely innocent here.
As an aside, she initially reported you as a Reckless driver. To the police, this would be considered a possibly impaired driver on drugs or alcohol. It appears the cop caught up to you and followed you for a while. It appears you were driving more like a sane driver while the cop watched, and didn't see any obvious signs of impairment. When he approached the car, he obviously didn't seem very concerned in his tone of voice, and figured this was just a minor issue which he'll just tell both drivers to remain relaxed and calm while driving, and everyone just takes off. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way.
The whole issue is she did cross a solid white line to begin with which is illegal in IL. If she never crossed the solid white, it never would've been an issue after her sitting in the thru lane. He ticketed both of us because she insisted that he do so.
Seriously, why do you honk your horn so long? People aren't deaf - I'm not opposed to horn honking, but a quick tap or two is all you need to get peoples' attention unless your life is actually in imminent danger and the sound of a horn might cause the driver to correct their action and save your life (e.g. somebody attempting to change lanes into you at speed when you have nowhere to go).
It just seems really rude, not just to the car you believe is misbehaving but to any adjacent pedestrians/passersby/businesses/etc. From your videos I feel like you approach life as if it is a video game and the only thing that matters is you and whatever vehicle you're attempting to shame. The folks behind the wheel are also humans going through life, you don't know who they are or what kind of day they're having - they almost certainly don't deserve to have somebody lay a horn on them for several seconds because of some minor transgression where nobody's life was actually in danger. It's kind of sad, really.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 16, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
The whole issue is she did cross a solid white line to begin with which is illegal in IL. If she never crossed the solid white, it never would've been an issue after her sitting in the thru lane. He ticketed both of us because she insisted that he do so.
You may want to get your story straight. I thought the whole issue was she was stopped in a turning lane with a green arrow that permitted her to continue. You weren't blowing your horn when she was sitting still while simultaneously crossing the white line.
BTW, the worst thing that may come out of this is that your videos are known to the local police department. During the traffic stop you asked if you could post this video to Youtube. Anything public on the internet can be used against you, without a search warrant.
Overall, a cop on traffic patrol has two goals: 1) Make it home alive. 2) Get promoted out of traffic patrol. Traffic patrol is the lowest of police duties, and they are generally just paying their dues. If the cop here is sitting on the side of the road "searching for violators" (3 hour lunch break), they also have time to give this case a little thought...and see if they can find the video. If they come upon an entire series of Youtube videos primarily showing you honking your horn, it's going to be a fun day in court for people that are not you.
Honestly, I don't see that happening...but it's possible.
OP can defend it any way they see fit. OP is still a dick. I'm not going to waste any more of my time with this thread or the other one. I'm just thankful I don't have to be on the same roads with this miserable person.
Quote from: corco on November 16, 2020, 04:50:45 PM
Seriously, why do you honk your horn so long? //snipped//
Exactly. If the OP showed a little more empathy instead of trying to point out faults, the whole "Karen" incident might not have happened.
About 2/3's of the incidents shown in his videos, while technically the other driver may be in the wrong, could be entirely avoided by just using a little common sense and defensive driving.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 16, 2020, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 16, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
The whole issue is she did cross a solid white line to begin with which is illegal in IL. If she never crossed the solid white, it never would've been an issue after her sitting in the thru lane. He ticketed both of us because she insisted that he do so.
You may want to get your story straight. I thought the whole issue was she was stopped in a turning lane with a green arrow that permitted her to continue. You weren't blowing your horn when she was sitting still while simultaneously crossing the white line.
BTW, the worst thing that may come out of this is that your videos are known to the local police department. During the traffic stop you asked if you could post this video to Youtube. Anything public on the internet can be used against you, without a search warrant.
Overall, a cop on traffic patrol has two goals: 1) Make it home alive. 2) Get promoted out of traffic patrol. Traffic patrol is the lowest of police duties, and they are generally just paying their dues. If the cop here is sitting on the side of the road "searching for violators" (3 hour lunch break), they also have time to give this case a little thought...and see if they can find the video. If they come upon an entire series of Youtube videos primarily showing you honking your horn, it's going to be a fun day in court for people that are not you.
Honestly, I don't see that happening...but it's possible.
She was stopped in the lane, then after that she crossed the solid white line. If she hadn't done that...there wouldn't have been the perceived "improper lane usage". The cop already has the footage of the incident, he had me send it to him.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 16, 2020, 05:51:28 PM
BTW, the worst thing that may come out of this is that your videos are known to the local police department. During the traffic stop you asked if you could post this video to Youtube. Anything public on the internet can be used against you, without a search warrant.
I know of a case not too long ago with a Youtuber, SpaztasticTV, of a similar situation you mentioned above. Kept being called out by other YT'ers of his reckless driving and being in denial of his driving habits. It took notification from other concerned people and monitoring by the Utah Highway Patrol to actually arrest and charge him with reckless driving.
https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/spaztastictv-reckless-driving-youtube/
Example videos:
Brake Chacked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_2BhsbiEzk&ab_channel=SpaztasticTV)
Impala Drivers Suck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eThNjVH3JwQ&ab_channel=SpaztasticTV)
Kia Stinger Drivers Suck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoKXtzs_Xr0&ab_channel=SpaztasticTV)
So I had to go to work today. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqgPnBUuitA&ab_channel=SpaztasticTV)
Speed limit 70 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBkGLxvv9Bw&ab_channel=SpaztasticTV)
Quote from: Crash_It on November 16, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
The whole issue is she did cross a solid white line to begin with which is illegal in IL. If she never crossed the solid white, it never would've been an issue after her sitting in the thru lane.
I am unfamiliar with such a law in Illinois. I also just went through the vehicle code (625 ILCS 5) to make sure I wasn't forgetting anything. Please provide a reference to the Illinois law prohibiting the crossing of a solid white line.
What I
do see is evidence that crossing a single solid white line is
discouraged but not
prohibited. References shown below:
Quote from: MUTCD 2009 Edition, Chapter 3B
Section 3B.04 White Lane Line Pavement Markings and Warrants
20 Where crossing the lane line markings is discouraged, the lane line markings shall consist of a normal or wide solid white line.
30 Where crossing the lane line markings is prohibited, the lane line markings shall consist of a solid double white line (see Figure 3B-12).
Quote from: Illinois Supplement to the National Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, 2009 Edition
As noted in the preceding certification, the 2009 edition of the Illinois Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (IMUTCD) consists of the December 2009 national Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD), including subsequent official revisions thereto, as amended by this Illinois Supplement to the MUTCD.
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A friend of mine here in NJ had an issue with someone crossing the solid line at a gore point (I forget the exact issue). He was pissed off about it, and made a phone call to NJSP.
They asked...was the gore point just marked with the white lines, or were there hash marks within the gore point?
Apparently, in NJ, the interpretation of the law is that if it's only a solid line at a gore point, it's not a violation. If there are hash marks, then that makes it a violation.
I don't know what the true difference is, if this is actually written in state statutes somewhere, or if the person who was speaking on the phone was actually correct in his response. That said, it does provide some guidance as to why a cop may not be interested in someone who's crossing a single white line on a roadway, or even the gore point at an exit.
(Note...this doesn't apply to the shoulder line, which is much clearer is its illegality to cross in NJ)
(Note #2: This person also gets pissed off at a 4 way stop he goes thru where people tend to not exactly stop...which is quite normal at 4 way stops. He called his cop friend and bitched to him about it. One morning, his cop friend sat off to the side of the intersection. My buddy went thru and saw him. My buddy called him shortly thereafter, thanking him for watching for violators. Note #2A: My buddy made that phone call while driving, which is illegal to do in the state. Note #2B: I know the cop as well. He went there to appease our friend. He left just after our friend saw him. He wasn't interested in the slow roll most people do there.)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 20, 2020, 04:10:48 PM
I don't know what the true difference is, if this is actually written in state statutes somewhere, or if the person who was speaking on the phone was actually correct in his response.
Very reasonable questions to have. In my experience, officers and dispatchers have little off-the-cuff knowledge of vehicle code minutiae.
I'm surprised how long it took for someone to note that it is, in fact, not illegal to cross a solid white line. Discouraged, but not illegal. Discouraged seems to be legalese for "go ahead, but if you crash while doing it, you'll likely be at fault".
As to the "Karen" incident -- it never needed to happen. There was room to go around. I go around at this add-lane (https://goo.gl/maps/RRZAZmi9WxiAfkFaA) all the time, as drivers are waiting to cross a lane of traffic to reach a left turn. It's pretty obvious she wanted the left lane. It happens a lot. If after 20+ years of driving, you can't deal with that, I feel sorry for you. "I got 99 problems" but knowing the width of my car isn't one.
As to the "butthurt over a honk" -- if I started yelling at someone for cutting in a line, and then even after they walked out of the line I kept yelling at them, would it count as being "butthurt" if they flipped me the bird? No, obviously not. I was being a dick. I made my point, and they left the line. Me continuing to wine after the fact is simply me being a dickhead, and I would deserve whatever response was coming to me from that point on. She brake-checked you because you continued to honk even after she correct her "error". And then you proceeded to wildly overreact.
The YouTube videos were annoying at first. Now they're just funny. I cannot believe there are people out there who are so inept at driving that, even after 20 years, they continue to get into silly incidents that, even at 17, I knew how to avoid.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 20, 2020, 05:45:02 PM
I'm surprised how long it took for someone to note that it is, in fact, not illegal to cross a solid white line. Discouraged, but not illegal. Discouraged seems to be legalese for "go ahead, but if you crash while doing it, you'll likely be at fault".
As to the "Karen" incident -- it never needed to happen. There was room to go around. I go around at this add-lane (https://goo.gl/maps/RRZAZmi9WxiAfkFaA) all the time, as drivers are waiting to cross a lane of traffic to reach a left turn. It's pretty obvious she wanted the left lane. It happens a lot. If after 20+ years of driving, you can't deal with that, I feel sorry for you. "I got 99 problems" but knowing the width of my car isn't one.
As to the "butthurt over a honk" -- if I started yelling at someone for cutting in a line, and then even after they walked out of the line I kept yelling at them, would it count as being "butthurt" if they flipped me the bird? No, obviously not. I was being a dick. I made my point, and they left the line. Me continuing to wine after the fact is simply me being a dickhead, and I would deserve whatever response was coming to me from that point on. She brake-checked you because you continued to honk even after she correct her "error". And then you proceeded to wildly overreact.
The YouTube videos were annoying at first. Now they're just funny. I cannot believe there are people out there who are so inept at driving that, even after 20 years, they continue to get into silly incidents that, even at 17, I knew how to avoid.
It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle,
like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
^^^
Hence my comment in one of these threads that this guy is the FritzOwl of cammers. The only reality that matters is the one built around a mountain of ego and self importance.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2020, 09:05:01 PM
^^^
Hence my comment in one of these threads that this guy is the FritzOwl of cammers. The only reality that matters is the one built around a mountain of ego and self importance.
There's a major difference here: FritzOwl won't even try to defend himself. He'll just pretend that you didn't type anything critical of him.
Quote from: 1 on November 21, 2020, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2020, 09:05:01 PM
^^^
Hence my comment in one of these threads that this guy is the FritzOwl of cammers. The only reality that matters is the one built around a mountain of ego and self importance.
There's a major difference here: FritzOwl won't even try to defend himself. He'll just pretend that you didn't type anything critical of him.
That's true, at least Fritz doesn't try to convince anyone else that he's right and everyone else is wrong.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle, like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
That's not the case at that intersection, there isn't even anywhere to turn left until after the slip lane ends. My reaction was normal and that's what the cop said. There are just dumb drivers out there.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle, like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
That's not the case at that intersection, there isn't even anywhere to turn left until after the slip lane ends. My reaction was normal and that's what the cop said. There are just dumb drivers out there.
Bull. The police officer even acted appealed by your behavior. You are blind and I can't until you are tried in court for reckless driving. Maybe that will wake you up before you cause a major accident or worse.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 21, 2020, 10:13:27 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle, like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
That's not the case at that intersection, there isn't even anywhere to turn left until after the slip lane ends. My reaction was normal and that's what the cop said. There are just dumb drivers out there.
Bull. The police officer even acted appealed by your behavior. You are blind and I can't until you are tried in court for reckless driving. Maybe that will wake you up before you cause a major accident or worse.
No, he said that he had no issue with the honking of the horn. Watch the video again. I've never been at fault in any accidents I've been in and I've been driving since the early '00s
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 21, 2020, 10:13:27 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle, like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
That's not the case at that intersection, there isn't even anywhere to turn left until after the slip lane ends. My reaction was normal and that's what the cop said. There are just dumb drivers out there.
Bull. The police officer even acted appealed by your behavior. You are blind and I can't until you are tried in court for reckless driving. Maybe that will wake you up before you cause a major accident or worse.
No, he said that he had no issue with the honking of the horn. Watch the video again. I've never been at fault in any accidents I've been in and I've been driving since the early '00s
It's not exactly normal to have been in a bunch of accidents, you might want to get introspective on that line you just threw out. But then again you strike me as arrogant as all hell, why would any of them be YOUR fault?
Dude, you definitely honk on the horn way too long. I like to think that I'm not too shy about using the horn, but I've never, ever, laid on the horn for as many as five seconds like you did. I'm not surprised that that lady reacted the way she did.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 21, 2020, 10:13:27 PM
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Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle, like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
That's not the case at that intersection, there isn't even anywhere to turn left until after the slip lane ends. My reaction was normal and that's what the cop said. There are just dumb drivers out there.
Bull. The police officer even acted appealed by your behavior. You are blind and I can't until you are tried in court for reckless driving. Maybe that will wake you up before you cause a major accident or worse.
No, he said that he had no issue with the honking of the horn. Watch the video again. I've never been at fault in any accidents I've been in and I've been driving since the early '00s
He might have said he doesn't have an issue with people honking horns but he definitely felt some type of way and honestly I gathered that from the video. Do you man and have fun but I'm telling you, you are going to do this to the wrong person one day who will have no problem getting down and doesn't care about any consequences.
Oh, and as Max said, it's weird how you have so many of these "incidents" whilst the majority of other drivers are somehow able to get by without all the drama. I guess you're the woke one and everyone else is a sheep. Keep honking that horn bro... keep honking away.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2020, 11:30:54 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 21, 2020, 10:13:27 PM
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Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle, like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
That's not the case at that intersection, there isn't even anywhere to turn left until after the slip lane ends. My reaction was normal and that's what the cop said. There are just dumb drivers out there.
Bull. The police officer even acted appealed by your behavior. You are blind and I can’t until you are tried in court for reckless driving. Maybe that will wake you up before you cause a major accident or worse.
No, he said that he had no issue with the honking of the horn. Watch the video again. I've never been at fault in any accidents I've been in and I've been driving since the early '00s
It’s not exactly normal to have been in a bunch of accidents, you might want to get introspective on that line you just threw out. But then again you strike me as arrogant as all hell, why would any of them be YOUR fault?
I've only been in three accidents and they are on my channel. Not my fault
here's one of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLekY7-Ljko
Quote from: compdude787 on November 21, 2020, 11:36:21 PM
Dude, you definitely honk on the horn way too long. I like to think that I'm not too shy about using the horn, but I've never, ever, laid on the horn for as many as five seconds like you did. I'm not surprised that that lady reacted the way she did.
Agreed on that part. Maybe a few quick taps on the horn would have been OK, but in my view, that long of a blast is just asking for trouble for something that could have been handled a lot differently. I'd imagine the driver in the minivan in the first clip would have reacted differently if your honk was less aggressive, let alone, not honk at all...
Especially if there was no-one behind me... as soon as I realised that some drivers were going to stop in that lane... I would have slowed down so I can see what my options were, maybe slow down to a safe stop, or if there was enough space, cautiously scooted over to the right to go around them.
When I was taught to drive... I was taught to be a sensible driver and try to reduce risk from other drivers to prevent incidents like that from happening... and also try not to use the horn/high beams aggressively... some things are not worth getting into like that in my view.
As far as the "single solid white line" law in IL... I had some difficulty finding an explicit law regarding lane lines, especially for white lines. The closest thing I could find is this from the 2020 IL drivers handbook (https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_a112.pdf) on page 79 saying this:
Quote from: Illinois 2020 Rules of the Road, page 79White Lane Lines
White lane lines separate lanes of traffic moving in the same direction.
- Broken white lines separate lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. A driver may only cross the line when changing lanes or turning.
- Solid white lines separate lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. Crossing a solid white line requires special care and is discouraged.
- Solid double white lines separate lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. Crossing a double solid white line is prohibited.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 11:50:52 PM
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It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle, like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
That's not the case at that intersection, there isn't even anywhere to turn left until after the slip lane ends. My reaction was normal and that's what the cop said. There are just dumb drivers out there.
Bull. The police officer even acted appealed by your behavior. You are blind and I can't until you are tried in court for reckless driving. Maybe that will wake you up before you cause a major accident or worse.
No, he said that he had no issue with the honking of the horn. Watch the video again. I've never been at fault in any accidents I've been in and I've been driving since the early '00s
It's not exactly normal to have been in a bunch of accidents, you might want to get introspective on that line you just threw out. But then again you strike me as arrogant as all hell, why would any of them be YOUR fault?
I've only been in three accidents and they are on my channel. Not my fault
here's one of them
Fixed that link for you, or at least put something more watchable on.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 22, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
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It would've been avoided by her just not stopping there in the first place like any normal driver would. The very first time I encountered that intersection I didn't stop at it. People also don't goof up the other intersection maybe about a mile away from that one. They also don't goof up the other one which is in the Chicago area, granted..I've only came across that one once.
But I'm telling you, people aren't "goofing up" by stopping in them. 99% of the time, they just need to turn left immediately afterwards, so they pull off to the hard left to allow traffic to pass on their right. Ever noticed how wide slip lanes are? Or sometimes, they just stop in the middle, like these two drivers (https://goo.gl/maps/op8mVr83rBmhjgHD6) (note they are both looking at traffic). Still, it's a very common thing. And if your default reaction is what we saw in the video...well, it's no wonder you get the cops called on you. Your reaction was needlessly aggressive. It's a wonder you haven't had your license revoked. Any other driver would have simply...you know...gone around. But no, you have clips to make! :-D
I find this whole thing rather ironic. Someone posting every little mistake drivers make on YouTube, yet refuses to admit any mistakes they also make. That's some bad karma, my friend. Maybe tone it down before you get yourself hurt by someone with nothing to lose.
That's not the case at that intersection, there isn't even anywhere to turn left until after the slip lane ends. My reaction was normal and that's what the cop said. There are just dumb drivers out there.
Bull. The police officer even acted appealed by your behavior. You are blind and I can't until you are tried in court for reckless driving. Maybe that will wake you up before you cause a major accident or worse.
No, he said that he had no issue with the honking of the horn. Watch the video again. I've never been at fault in any accidents I've been in and I've been driving since the early '00s
It's not exactly normal to have been in a bunch of accidents, you might want to get introspective on that line you just threw out. But then again you strike me as arrogant as all hell, why would any of them be YOUR fault?
I've only been in three accidents and they are on my channel. Not my fault
here's one of them
Fixed that link for you, or at least put something more watchable on.
Well , in that case I hope a distracted driver rear ends the shit out of you at a right turn at all times intersection where a stupid driver stopped since you think all of this is unwatchable.
^^^
Oh wow, wishing harm to others? That temper of yours getting the better of you again? What a shock, too bad you don't have a car horn to honk.
But yes, I much prefer ten hours of a Rick Roll than having to watch another self-glorification video pertaining to your mountainous ego behind the wheel.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 22, 2020, 09:17:36 AM
^^^
Oh wow, wishing harm to others? That temper of yours getting the better of you again? What a shock, too bad you don't have a car horn to honk.
But yes, I much prefer ten hours of a Rick Roll than having to watch another self-glorification video pertaining to your mountainous ego behind the wheel.
That video is none of the above. And i realize that I'm not a perfect driver. The fact is that everyone in my videos drives worse than I do.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 22, 2020, 09:17:36 AM
^^^
Oh wow, wishing harm to others? That temper of yours getting the better of you again? What a shock, too bad you don't have a car horn to honk.
But yes, I much prefer ten hours of a Rick Roll than having to watch another self-glorification video pertaining to your mountainous ego behind the wheel.
That video is none of the above. And i realize that I'm not a perfect driver. The fact is that everyone in my videos drives worse than I do.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 22, 2020, 09:17:36 AM
^^^
Oh wow, wishing harm to others? That temper of yours getting the better of you again? What a shock, too bad you don't have a car horn to honk.
But yes, I much prefer ten hours of a Rick Roll than having to watch another self-glorification video pertaining to your mountainous ego behind the wheel.
That video is none of the above. And i realize that I'm not a perfect driver. The fact is that everyone in my videos drives worse than I do.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Apparently "facts" are a subjective interpretation solely at the discretion of the OP.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 22, 2020, 10:29:31 AM
i realize that I'm not a perfect driver. The fact is that everyone in my videos drives worse than I do.
Translation: "I am a more perfect driver than everybody else on the road."
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Quote from: Crash_It on November 22, 2020, 10:29:31 AM
i realize that I'm not a perfect driver. The fact is that everyone in my videos drives worse than I do.
Translation: "I am a more perfect driver than everybody else on the road."
More like, "While, I am not perfect, I am better than the 39 other drivers shown in this video"
Quote from: Crash_It on November 22, 2020, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: US 89 on November 22, 2020, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 22, 2020, 10:29:31 AM
i realize that I'm not a perfect driver. The fact is that everyone in my videos drives worse than I do.
Translation: "I am a more perfect driver than everybody else on the road."
More like, "While, I am not perfect, I am better than the 39 other drivers shown in this video"
no you're not
Do you ever do any science? Maybe average driving for you is better than the worst driving of others WHO YOU HAPPENED TO FILM and put on your web page. This is called a highly selective sample, and it is not the road to valid results.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 11:50:52 PM
I've only been in three accidents and they are on my channel. Not my fault
I've been in one over ten years, which was my fault as I misjudged a gap. I've avoided at least two others that would not have been my fault (both times someone coming up behind me too quickly) by using this one simple tactic:
Defense driving.
You do not drive defensively. You drive, to put it lightly, offensively: you are aggressive; you attack others; virtually no one agrees with your actions. You have now dealt with about 7+ pages of people telling you that you are wrong, and there's virtually no admission of any guilt to be found. How does that not worry? Are you really so dense that you honestly think the dozens of us here are the ones who are crazy?
For the record: 20 years of driving doesn't matter. What matters is your ability to judge situations and react appropriately. This usually comes with experience, but your videos are clear evidence of that not always being the case.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 22, 2020, 10:29:31 AM
And i realize that I'm not a perfect driver. The fact is that everyone in my videos drives worse than I do.
No, that fact is not proven by the videos. Your video clips show a specific
instance in which a driver made a bad judgment call. Some or all of those people might very well be horrible drivers in general, but they also might be excellent drivers the other 99% of the time they're on the road, and you just happened to catch them during a bonehead move. On the other hand, your videos show a
pattern of aggressive and self-righteous behavior on the road by yourself.
Have you ever stopped to consider that hearing a long horn blast can scare a driver, distract a driver, make a driver do something even more dangerous than what you're reacting to? If I hear a long horn blast nearby, my first reaction is to assume that either (a) someone is alerting me that I'm about to drive into imminent danger, or else (b) there's about to be crash near me. I might step on the brakes (risking a rear-end collision), frantically look around (taking my eyes off the road), neglect to check the color of a stoplight (risking a T-bone collision), etc. It's my opinion that your horn blasts are actually
negatively affecting the safety of the roads rather than improving it.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2020, 09:05:01 PM
Hence my comment in one of these threads that this guy is the FritzOwl of cammers. The only reality that matters is the one built around a mountain of ego and self importance.
There's a major difference here: FritzOwl won't even try to defend himself. He'll just pretend that you didn't type anything critical of him.
On the other hand, I think he has yet to admit he was wrong about crossing a white line. See below, and listen to the crickets.
Quote from: kphoger on November 20, 2020, 02:43:51 PM
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The whole issue is she did cross a solid white line to begin with which is illegal in IL. If she never crossed the solid white, it never would've been an issue after her sitting in the thru lane.
I am unfamiliar with such a law in Illinois. I also just went through the vehicle code (625 ILCS 5) to make sure I wasn't forgetting anything. Please provide a reference to the Illinois law prohibiting the crossing of a solid white line.
What I do see is evidence that crossing a single solid white line is discouraged but not prohibited. References shown below:
Quote from: MUTCD 2009 Edition, Chapter 3B
Section 3B.04 White Lane Line Pavement Markings and Warrants
20 Where crossing the lane line markings is discouraged, the lane line markings shall consist of a normal or wide solid white line.
30 Where crossing the lane line markings is prohibited, the lane line markings shall consist of a solid double white line (see Figure 3B-12).
Quote from: Illinois Supplement to the National Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, 2009 Edition
As noted in the preceding certification, the 2009 edition of the Illinois Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (IMUTCD) consists of the December 2009 national Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD), including subsequent official revisions thereto, as amended by this Illinois Supplement to the MUTCD.
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Quote from: jakeroot on November 20, 2020, 05:45:02 PM
I'm surprised how long it took for someone to note that it is, in fact, not illegal to cross a solid white line. Discouraged, but not illegal. Discouraged seems to be legalese for "go ahead, but if you crash while doing it, you'll likely be at fault".
Quote from: fwydriver405 on November 22, 2020, 12:19:27 AM
The closest thing I could find is this from the 2020 IL drivers handbook on page 79 saying this:
Quote from: Illinois 2020 Rules of the Road, page 79White Lane Lines
White lane lines separate lanes of traffic moving in the same direction.
- Broken white lines separate lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. A driver may only cross the line when changing lanes or turning.
- Solid white lines separate lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. Crossing a solid white line requires special care and is discouraged.
- Solid double white lines separate lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. Crossing a double solid white line is prohibited.
It seems that him making such a big deal about someone crossing a white line is pretty clear evidence that he actually has no clue about law in general. The meaning of a solid white line should be well understood by someone whose entire reason to exist on YouTube is to showcase drivers breaking laws.
It seems that his thing is making fun of those drivers who drive differently than him. He made up a law about not crossing solid white lines, and now everyone who does this is a "bad driver" and ends up in his video. In the same vein, he gets frustrated when drivers stop on a yellow light even if that yellow light has been lit for a very long time. I'm all for using every millisecond of a yellow, but someone simply stopping on yellow (minus those who slam on the brakes...that's frustrating, yes) is not something I would put in a video. Especially if that video would have shown me entering on red. But again, drivers who don't drive like him, even if they aren't breaking a law, end up in his videos. It's just ridiculous.
What I'm not getting is why post all this stuff here? I don't think the majority of us are on this forum to partake in critiques about how people drive on a day to day basis. Said Crash It Youtube Channel doesn't even have 1,000 subscribers and just a handful of videos that top 10,000 views. Is this some sort of attempt to build the brand and get a wider viewership? If so the OP would be far better served posted to Social Media platforms and their groups that have a wider reach on or more general interest themes.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 23, 2020, 03:53:33 PM
What I'm not getting is why post all this stuff here? I don't think the majority of us are on this forum to partake in critiques about how people drive on a day to day basis. Said Crash It Youtube Channel doesn't even have 1,000 subscribers and just a handful of videos that top 10,000 views. Is this some sort of attempt to build the brand and get a wider viewership? If so the OP would be far better served posted to Social Media platforms and their groups that have a wider reach on or more general interest themes.
Yes. OP is sucking for subscribers. We should not be
monetizing the OP.
The OP should move this bullshit to Insta and stay there.
Quote from: renegade on November 23, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 23, 2020, 03:53:33 PM
What I'm not getting is why post all this stuff here? I don't think the majority of us are on this forum to partake in critiques about how people drive on a day to day basis. Said Crash It Youtube Channel doesn't even have 1,000 subscribers and just a handful of videos that top 10,000 views. Is this some sort of attempt to build the brand and get a wider viewership? If so the OP would be far better served posted to Social Media platforms and their groups that have a wider reach on or more general interest themes.
Yes. OP is sucking for subscribers. We should not be monetizing the OP.
The OP should move this bullshit to Insta and stay there.
That's more or less the primary driver in why I stopped watching. I didn't want to support the channel based off the comments and I'll conceived retorts made here. That said I'm not aware if there is any apparent way to tell as a viewer if a channel is monetized. I'm thinking that it is monetized given how the OP conveniently tries to get people to watch other videos to prove his points.
Quote from: renegade on November 23, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 23, 2020, 03:53:33 PM
What I'm not getting is why post all this stuff here? I don't think the majority of us are on this forum to partake in critiques about how people drive on a day to day basis. Said Crash It Youtube Channel doesn't even have 1,000 subscribers and just a handful of videos that top 10,000 views. Is this some sort of attempt to build the brand and get a wider viewership? If so the OP would be far better served posted to Social Media platforms and their groups that have a wider reach on or more general interest themes.
Yes. OP is sucking for subscribers. We should not be monetizing the OP.
The OP should move this bullshit to Insta and stay there.
That's not it say all. Nice try
Quote from: Crash_It on November 23, 2020, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 23, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 23, 2020, 03:53:33 PM
What I'm not getting is why post all this stuff here? I don't think the majority of us are on this forum to partake in critiques about how people drive on a day to day basis. Said Crash It Youtube Channel doesn't even have 1,000 subscribers and just a handful of videos that top 10,000 views. Is this some sort of attempt to build the brand and get a wider viewership? If so the OP would be far better served posted to Social Media platforms and their groups that have a wider reach on or more general interest themes.
Yes. OP is sucking for subscribers. We should not be monetizing the OP.
The OP should move this bullshit to Insta and stay there.
That's not it say all. Nice try
I doubt your into selectively recording and editing videos out of the goodness of your heart, nice try.
My time driving in Mexico over the years (a rough estimate being 8000 total miles and counting) has helped me get my eyes off the minutiae of the law and see traffic as a more fluid thing. The first thing it helped me stop worrying about is paint on the pavement. Traffic is so much more than just little lines painted on the ground.
Quote from: kphoger on November 24, 2020, 10:23:05 AM
My time driving in Mexico over the years (a rough estimate being 8000 total miles and counting) has helped me get my eyes off the minutiae of the law and see traffic as a more fluid thing. The first thing it helped me stop worrying about is paint on the pavement. Traffic is so much more than just little lines painted on the ground.
Trying to negotiate some of those cities and things like cobblestone roads alone makes one appreciate how good roads really are State Side. That's not even getting into things like how all over the place signage can be the massive variations in road maintenance. Driving skill exists, but not as people drive which leads to some wild situations when they do. Safety standards are not the same down in Mexico (I'm amused at how angry people on this forum get about people riding in truck beds or families on mopeds). The OP hasn't displayed any actual road conditions and driving behavior that is even in the same stratosphere with what can be found in Mexico.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 24, 2020, 10:30:36 AM
The OP hasn't displayed any actual road conditions and driving behavior that is even in the same stratosphere with what can be found in Mexico.
And I want to dive into this statement a little bit. Mexican driving behavior isn't inherently inferior to ours just because they're more likely to pass with oncoming traffic, drive on the shoulder, go against a red light when cross traffic clears, pull out in front of someone, go 35 mph or 70 mph in a rural 50 mph zone. Rather, it's simply a different driving culture with different expectations.
It's more acceptable to pass with oncoming traffic there, and oncoming traffic is more ready to expect it and more willing to accommodate it. It's more acceptable to drive on the shoulder there, even if signs prohibit it on that road, and everybody appreciates slower drivers doing it. It's more acceptable to go against a red light there, and nobody honks a horn when it happens or shares dashcam footage online later. It's more acceptable to pull out in front of someone there, and people just slow down or go around when it happens. It's more acceptable to drive both really slowly and really fast, and everyone is on the lookout for both types of drivers. Driving isn't categorically worse in Mexico than in the US: it's just
different.
The OP seems to be under the false impression that driving in the US must conform to his preconceived notions of what is "good". I think the fundamental flaw is that he doesn't have a good understanding of what to expect on the road. Any aberration from his expectations that he encounters gets labeled as "bad driving", rather than prompting him to adjust his expectations.
Crash_It: I'll give you a hypothetical scenario to illustrate my point.
Imagine a truck driver whose territory is the mountainous area of Jalisco and Nayarit. He has extensive experience driving in this area, and it's an everyday occurrence for him to pass a slow-moving vehicle on stretches of road like
this (https://goo.gl/maps/xtiZJnkNaynaaNVc7),
this (https://goo.gl/maps/F5KvqNsY2sAcHQSu9), or
this (https://goo.gl/maps/AXTfF9bUt2UxK6mp8)–on a curvy road with solid center line. Once every few weeks, he misjudges the passing opportunity, and he can't quite complete the maneuver before an oncoming car ends up in his path. It just so happens that, one day, that oncoming driver is you.
Ha! you say,
that's illegal! That's dangerous! He's a bad driver! He ought to have his license revoked! I'm sharing footage of this on the internet, and everyone will agree with me.No, he isn't a bad driver. He is engaging in perfectly normal behavior for a truck driver in that area. And local Mexicans, when driving through the hills and curves of those highways, do so with the full expectation that they might have to slow down to accommodate a trucker doing that exact sort of thing. A local in your situation would merely step on the brakes and slow down enough to allow the trucker to complete his passing maneuver, then continue on his or her way with hardly a thought about it. Wouldn't say anything to the other passengers, wouldn't even remember it two minutes later.
My wife and I took our honeymoon in that area of Mexico. We rented a car, and I drove like a Mexican while I was there, to the tune of about 550 miles in five days or so: I exceeded the speed limit regularly, I passed against a solid yellow line on curves and hills whenever I judged it to be safe enough to do. And, without fail, we reached our destination exactly when the maps estimated that we should–because the estimates all assumed people would be driving like that.
Ah, but that's Mexico, you say.
Things aren't like that here, you say. Well no, not exactly, they aren't. But they are a little bit like that. Sometimes here in the US people do things that are a little risky, a little chaotic, a little unusual–and it's your job to expect that. It doesn't necessarily make them bad or dangerous drivers when they do those things, but it does make you a bad driver if you think they never will or never should.
Quote from: kphoger on November 24, 2020, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 24, 2020, 10:30:36 AM
The OP hasn't displayed any actual road conditions and driving behavior that is even in the same stratosphere with what can be found in Mexico.
And I want to dive into this statement a little bit. Mexican driving behavior isn't inherently inferior to ours just because they're more likely to pass with oncoming traffic, drive on the shoulder, go against a red light when cross traffic clears, pull out in front of someone, go 35 mph or 70 mph in a rural 50 mph zone. Rather, it's simply a different driving culture with different expectations.
It's more acceptable to pass with oncoming traffic there, and oncoming traffic is more ready to expect it and more willing to accommodate it. It's more acceptable to drive on the shoulder there, even if signs prohibit it on that road, and everybody appreciates slower drivers doing it. It's more acceptable to go against a red light there, and nobody honks a horn when it happens or shares dashcam footage online later. It's more acceptable to pull out in front of someone there, and people just slow down or go around when it happens. It's more acceptable to drive both really slowly and really fast, and everyone is on the lookout for both types of drivers. Driving isn't categorically worse in Mexico than in the US: it's just different.
The OP seems to be under the false impression that driving in the US must conform to his preconceived notions of what is "good". I think the fundamental flaw is that he doesn't have a good understanding of what to expect on the road. Any aberration from his expectations that he encounters gets labeled as "bad driving", rather than prompting him to adjust his expectations.
Crash_It: I'll give you a hypothetical scenario to illustrate my point.
Imagine a truck driver whose territory is the mountainous area of Jalisco and Nayarit. He has extensive experience driving in this area, and it's an everyday occurrence for him to pass a slow-moving vehicle on stretches of road like this (https://goo.gl/maps/xtiZJnkNaynaaNVc7), this (https://goo.gl/maps/F5KvqNsY2sAcHQSu9), or this (https://goo.gl/maps/AXTfF9bUt2UxK6mp8)–on a curvy road with solid center line. Once every few weeks, he misjudges the passing opportunity, and he can't quite complete the maneuver before an oncoming car ends up in his path. It just so happens that, one day, that oncoming driver is you.
Ha! you say, that's illegal! That's dangerous! He's a bad driver! He ought to have his license revoked! I'm sharing footage of this on the internet, and everyone will agree with me.
No, he isn't a bad driver. He is engaging in perfectly normal behavior for a truck driver in that area. And local Mexicans, when driving through the hills and curves of those highways, do so with the full expectation that they might have to slow down to accommodate a trucker doing that exact sort of thing. A local in your situation would merely step on the brakes and slow down enough to allow the trucker to complete his passing maneuver, then continue on his or her way with hardly a thought about it. Wouldn't say anything to the other passengers, wouldn't even remember it two minutes later.
My wife and I took our honeymoon in that area of Mexico. We rented a car, and I drove like a Mexican while I was there, to the tune of about 550 miles in five days or so: I exceeded the speed limit regularly, I passed against a solid yellow line on curves and hills whenever I judged it to be safe enough to do. And, without fail, we reached our destination exactly when the maps estimated that we should–because the estimates all assumed people would be driving like that.
Ah, but that's Mexico, you say. Things aren't like that here, you say. Well no, not exactly, they aren't. But they are a little bit like that. Sometimes here in the US people do things that are a little risky, a little chaotic, a little unusual–and it's your job to expect that. It doesn't necessarily make them bad or dangerous drivers when they do those things, but it does make you a bad driver if you think they never will or never should.
The point I'm trying to make in my videos is that those maneuvers are bad driving
in the moment I'ts very possible that during the rest of their drive, they drove good. But , in that point in time they made a bad judgement call and that resulted in a bad driving maneuver in that moment. That's why I renamed my series to Bad Driving from Bad Drivers. Good driving would be simply not doing any of those moves that I show in my videos in that specific snapshot to the point where it would disrupt my momentum or of other traffic (eg, having to slow down or brake to accomodate their lane change) .
Quote from: Crash_It on November 24, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Good driving would be simply not doing any of those moves that I show in my videos in that specific snapshot to the point where it would disrupt my momentum or of other traffic (eg, having to slow down or brake to [accommodate] their lane change) .
But that's not necessarily the case. There are many reasons where doing something perceived as "bad" is actually necessary and respected by others.
You are confusing things that might be 'appealing' from things that might be 'accepted'. There are many driving behaviors not considered appealing (basically everything in your videos) but which are accepted by most drivers. The driving culture is such that, in the US, risky things that may involve breaking the law are considered acceptable by most drivers because, well, it's just the way things are.
Your videos basically throw American driving culture in the garbage and say "yep, even though no one else cares, I'm going to freak out, honk, flash my lights, etc because
I don't like this". You don't have to like the things in your videos, but you have to understand that they are fairly common things that most people don't care about; reacting to them how you do tells us that you are either reacting over-the-top on purpose for your videos, or you don't actually know how driving works in the US.
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 11:50:52 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2020, 11:30:54 PM
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Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 21, 2020, 10:13:27 PM
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Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on November 21, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
honk honk hooooonnnnnk honk honk honk
You're a perfect driver in everyway!
honk honk honk honk hoooonnnnk hoooonnnk honk
Compared to you, we're all idiots.
honk honk honk honk hoooonnnnk
How did we every survive until your impressive videos appear?
bonk crash shunt
I've translated his posts so maybe we can get a better idea of who we're dealing with.
Quote from: kphoger on November 24, 2020, 10:23:05 AM
My time driving in Mexico over the years (a rough estimate being 8000 total miles and counting) has helped me get my eyes off the minutiae of the law and see traffic as a more fluid thing. The first thing it helped me stop worrying about is paint on the pavement. Traffic is so much more than just little lines painted on the ground.
I remember hearing one thing about paint...and I forget if someone from a transportation department or a cop said it:
It's going to get run over.
In this particular case where I was talking to someone, it was in an area where the shoulder widened out and eventually formed a lane, but it wasn't a lane yet. They tried painting a thicker line or something like that. But ultimately, motorists are just going to run over the paint. Same thing happens all...the...time with those extended single lines. Yeah, they're meant to encourage people to stay in the lane and speed up. But cars move across them often.
Now, someone could say "Well, they could pull the driver over and ticket them". But in the overall scheme of things, as what jackroot was alluding to, when cops have to watch out for speeders, cell phone users, turn signals, under the influence, etc, etc, they need to pick and choose what they want to worry about. A car failing to completely stop while turning on red is absolutely running a red light. But...hey, the effort was made, and if no one else was coming, more often than not it's going to be ignored. Some people may get stopped for that, but the overwhelming majority won't.
If you want motorists to stay in their lane, you gotta build curbs. Curbs cost a lot of money. Paint is cheap.
Yep. If you really weren't supposed to drive over the paint, it would have been a curb or a New Jersey barrier instead.
Quote from: kkt on November 24, 2020, 07:40:40 PM
Yep. If you really weren't supposed to drive over the paint, it would have been a curb or a New Jersey barrier instead.
Plastic delineators as well? I've seen some of those been badly run over and mangled in some places...
Quote from: Crash_It on November 15, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: fillup420 on November 15, 2020, 07:30:08 AM
am i the only one here who just wants to know what happened in court...?
It got a continuance. The matter will be resolved permanently this coming Friday or even tomorrow if I catch the zoom meeting.
So what was the outcome?
Quote from: Crash_It on November 24, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
The point I'm trying to make in my videos is that those maneuvers are bad driving in the moment I'ts very possible that during the rest of their drive, they drove good. But , in that point in time they made a bad judgement call and that resulted in a bad driving maneuver in that moment. That's why I renamed my series to Bad Driving from Bad Drivers. Good driving would be simply not doing any of those moves that I show in my videos in that specific snapshot to the point where it would disrupt my momentum or of other traffic (eg, having to slow down or brake to accomodate their lane change) .
And the point
I was making is that most of those maneuvers weren't even bad driving in the moment.
jakeroot very eloquently captured what I was trying to get across, so I'll quote snippets of his below for emphasis:
Quote from: jakeroot on November 24, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
There are many reasons where doing something perceived as "bad" is actually necessary and respected by others.
Note the "respected by others" part. Don't you ever wonder why everyone else isn't as ticked off as you are? And what is acceptable or unacceptable is only defined by the common consensus of the driving culture around you. If other drivers are accepting of what's being done, then it is by definition "acceptable" behavior.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 24, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
The driving culture is such that, in the US, risky things that may involve breaking the law are considered acceptable by most drivers because, well, it's just the way things are.
I'd even suggest that he didn't go far enough with that statement, because he included the qualifying phrase "in the US". The fact is that risky and/or illegal things are acceptable
everywhere in the world, by both civilians and police alike. What those things are vary from place to place, and civilians may be willing to accept different things than the police are. But that's just the way things are because the law is by nature iimperfect.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 24, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
You don't have to like the things in your videos, but you have to understand that they are fairly common things that most people don't care about;
This was the highlight of his post. You need to find the line between (1) being annoyed that someone did something in a way that irritates you and (2) flying off the handle, blaring your horn, smearing the driver on the internet, etc.
Maybe I should honk my horn for 5 seconds at every driver I see going a few mph over the speed limit. They are breaking the law, after all.
Someone bombs the intersection again today
https://fb.watch/27SMMLPvmf/
Change is coming, I did it!!
https://youtu.be/EXYv9FpaK88
Please post the video when someone decides to get out of their car and beat the fuck out of you.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 23, 2020, 03:45:13 PM
Please post the video when someone decides to get out of their car and beat the fuck out of you.
it is not legal to stop here, that's why they are changing the signs.
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 23, 2020, 03:45:13 PM
Please post the video when someone decides to get out of their car and beat the fuck out of you.
it is not legal to stop here, that's why they are changing the signs.
First off...congrats on convincing the state to add signage. What was your actual proposed sign
And I cannot wait for your video after the signage is installed when you go ape shit crazy when someone stops in that lane again.
BTW...what was the result of your court appearance?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 23, 2020, 04:36:09 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 23, 2020, 03:45:13 PM
Please post the video when someone decides to get out of their car and beat the fuck out of you.
it is not legal to stop here, that's why they are changing the signs.
First off...congrats on convincing the state to add signage. What was your actual proposed sign
And I cannot wait for your video after the signage is installed when you go ape shit crazy when someone stops in that lane again.
BTW...what was the result of your court appearance?
the proposed signs are in the video with one of them saying "dont stop or $1000 fine". The court case is continued out to 1/18 because of COVID.
Yeah, they weren't going to go with either of those signs. Without reviewing the law again, that would be a fine only for a habitually ticketed offender anyway. Rarely are max fines imposed.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 23, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
Yeah, they weren't going to go with either of those signs. Without reviewing the law again, that would be a fine only for a habitually ticketed offender anyway. Rarely are max fines imposed.
I know that they wouldn't but those would be the most effective.
Other intersections in Illinois with a permanent green right arrow include IL-394 at Exchange St. (WB approach), and US30's western intersection with US34 (WB approach).
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 05:07:12 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 23, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
Yeah, they weren't going to go with either of those signs. Without reviewing the law again, that would be a fine only for a habitually ticketed offender anyway. Rarely are max fines imposed.
I know that they wouldn't but those would be the most effective.
There are a lot of signs with "max fine" warnings and I don't see them ever being any more acknowledged than a regular sign. At the end of the day, signs are meaningless if they aren't enforced, and you and I both know they wouldn't ticket a driver $1000 for stopping.
Hasn't it been shown by the results of the "tough on crime" fad of the 80s and 90s that enforcing harsher penalties for crimes doesn't work to reduce crime, anyway? Even if the fine was ten billion dollars it wouldn't keep people from stopping.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 23, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Hasn't it been shown by the results of the "tough on crime" fad of the 80s and 90s that enforcing harsher penalties for crimes doesn't work to reduce crime, anyway? Even if the fine was ten billion dollars it wouldn't keep people from stopping.
There are signs at some intersections in Chicago that say "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION $500 FINE" and from what I've seen, people aren't blocking the intersection where those signs are posted.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 23, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
Other intersections in Illinois with a permanent green right arrow include IL-394 at Exchange St. (WB approach), and US30's western intersection with US34 (WB approach).
There's potentially one in joliet on the US66,IL53 approach but that one has a crosswalk so in that case, I imagine the arrow going red only when pedestrians cross.
https://goo.gl/maps/HaQJSaWyR1RZVLsaA
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 23, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Hasn't it been shown by the results of the "tough on crime" fad of the 80s and 90s that enforcing harsher penalties for crimes doesn't work to reduce crime, anyway? Even if the fine was ten billion dollars it wouldn't keep people from stopping.
There are signs at some intersections in Chicago that say "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION $500 FINE" and from what I've seen, people aren't blocking the intersection where those signs are posted.
Did they block the intersection before those signs went up? Was there ever a standard "Do Not Block Intersection" sign that didn't mention a fine? If so, did they block the intersection then?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 24, 2020, 04:57:16 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 23, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Hasn't it been shown by the results of the "tough on crime" fad of the 80s and 90s that enforcing harsher penalties for crimes doesn't work to reduce crime, anyway? Even if the fine was ten billion dollars it wouldn't keep people from stopping.
There are signs at some intersections in Chicago that say "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION $500 FINE" and from what I've seen, people aren't blocking the intersection where those signs are posted.
Did they block the intersection before those signs went up? Was there ever a standard "Do Not Block Intersection" sign that didn't mention a fine? If so, did they block the intersection then?
I've seen it blocked once before the fine was put up
Quote from: Crash_It on December 24, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 24, 2020, 04:57:16 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 23, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Hasn't it been shown by the results of the "tough on crime" fad of the 80s and 90s that enforcing harsher penalties for crimes doesn't work to reduce crime, anyway? Even if the fine was ten billion dollars it wouldn't keep people from stopping.
There are signs at some intersections in Chicago that say "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION $500 FINE" and from what I've seen, people aren't blocking the intersection where those signs are posted.
Did they block the intersection before those signs went up? Was there ever a standard "Do Not Block Intersection" sign that didn't mention a fine? If so, did they block the intersection then?
I've seen it blocked once before the fine was put up
So without being there 24/7, you don't know how often it was blocked or still blocked?
Most standard "Don't Block The Box" signs I see don't have a fine posted, and are equally effective.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 24, 2020, 03:32:28 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 24, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 24, 2020, 04:57:16 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 23, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Hasn't it been shown by the results of the "tough on crime" fad of the 80s and 90s that enforcing harsher penalties for crimes doesn't work to reduce crime, anyway? Even if the fine was ten billion dollars it wouldn't keep people from stopping.
There are signs at some intersections in Chicago that say "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION $500 FINE" and from what I've seen, people aren't blocking the intersection where those signs are posted.
Did they block the intersection before those signs went up? Was there ever a standard "Do Not Block Intersection" sign that didn't mention a fine? If so, did they block the intersection then?
I've seen it blocked once before the fine was put up
So without being there 24/7, you don't know how often it was blocked or still blocked?
Most standard "Don't Block The Box" signs I see don't have a fine posted, and are equally effective.
If there's a fine posted, people are less likely to do it. It's why you don't see people illegally parking in handicapped spaces.
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 23, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
Other intersections in Illinois with a permanent green right arrow include IL-394 at Exchange St. (WB approach), and US30's western intersection with US34 (WB approach).
There's potentially one in joliet on the US66,IL53 approach but that one has a crosswalk so in that case, I imagine the arrow going red only when pedestrians cross.
https://goo.gl/maps/HaQJSaWyR1RZVLsaA
Currently, that one uses the yellow arrow and becomes a RTOR.
Quote from: Crash_It on December 24, 2020, 03:42:13 PM
If there's a fine posted, people are less likely to do it. It's why you don't see people illegally parking in handicapped spaces.
Most handicapped parking signs I see don't have a fine on it. Some do, but really very few.
I guess people speed because there's no fine attached to the speed limit sign? (Notwithstanding those fine per speed boards on ON 401; as I recall they go up to $10k, but what's that in real dollars?)
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 23, 2020, 03:45:13 PM
Please post the video when someone decides to get out of their car and beat the fuck out of you.
it is not legal to stop here, that's why they are changing the signs.
I understand that and I agree with you. But your reaction to people stopping is going to cause an unstable person one day to go berserk. It's because just laying on your horn pisses people off and doesn't seem to accomplish much. Give the horn a few taps but damn. Do what you gotta do. You've gotten lucky, IMO.
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 23, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Hasn't it been shown by the results of the "tough on crime" fad of the 80s and 90s that enforcing harsher penalties for crimes doesn't work to reduce crime, anyway? Even if the fine was ten billion dollars it wouldn't keep people from stopping.
There are signs at some intersections in Chicago that say "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION $500 FINE" and from what I've seen, people aren't blocking the intersection where those signs are posted.
We have those all over LA and people still block intersections.
I don't think we've been told what the new signs will say. Maybe they'll be red octagons.
:bigass:
Quote from: Crash_It on December 24, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 24, 2020, 04:57:16 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 23, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 23, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Hasn't it been shown by the results of the "tough on crime" fad of the 80s and 90s that enforcing harsher penalties for crimes doesn't work to reduce crime, anyway? Even if the fine was ten billion dollars it wouldn't keep people from stopping.
There are signs at some intersections in Chicago that say "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION $500 FINE" and from what I've seen, people aren't blocking the intersection where those signs are posted.
Did they block the intersection before those signs went up? Was there ever a standard "Do Not Block Intersection" sign that didn't mention a fine? If so, did they block the intersection then?
I've seen it blocked once before the fine was put up
Have you seen any data?
Why not one of these signs? https://goo.gl/maps/vFV2r5usm5dyo6Ue9
Quote from: stridentweasel on December 25, 2020, 02:20:29 PM
Why not one of these signs? https://goo.gl/maps/vFV2r5usm5dyo6Ue9
Yeah, it seems like the main problem there is people who want to cut all the way to the left rather than treat it like a ramp with an acceleration lane.
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2020, 07:49:05 PM
Quote from: stridentweasel on December 25, 2020, 02:20:29 PM
Why not one of these signs? https://goo.gl/maps/vFV2r5usm5dyo6Ue9
Yeah, it seems like the main problem there is people who want to cut all the way to the left rather than treat it like a ramp with an acceleration lane.
Double-solid line would be a regulatory solution for that (if enforced).
Sort-of relevant example, but not exactly: https://goo.gl/maps/4bXSG5fZYWARhMjs5
Quote from: stridentweasel on December 25, 2020, 02:20:29 PM
Why not one of these signs? https://goo.gl/maps/vFV2r5usm5dyo6Ue9
I can think of LOADS of places where that sign would be useful!
Some of his videos are featured here on this driving fail compilation video on YouTube. His videos start at 4:50 in.
As expected, there are a large amount of people commenting what a jackass this guy is and how unnecessary it is to lay on the horn as long as he does.
I still haven't seen anything proving it is "not legal to stop" there. Looking at it on Google Maps, I see two signs saying "Right Turn at All Times," but nothing saying "No Stopping." Is the argument that the green arrow is to be interpreted as a requirement to keep moving all the way throughout the entire turning movement? (Bearing in mind the OP claims it's illegal to cross the solid white line after turning, a claim that has been shown to be wrong.) One thing I've wondered is how many people come to a stop because they want to change two lanes over to the left immediately after turning right in order to make a left turn to go to the Wal-Mart at the next light. That's perfectly legitimate. While you could go straight at the light to get to Wal-Mart, you have to pass in front of PetsMart and go through a bunch of stop signs in a parking lot with pedestrians crossing.
So if someone wants to get over to the left-turn lane, depending on the amount of traffic that's not bad driving so much as it is less-than-optimal road design. I note the OP contends the left-turn lane only begins where the merge lane ends. While that appears to be true, you'd then have to change all the way across directly into the merge lane right at once instead of working your way across, and depending on how many people are lined up to turn left, you might effectively be trying to cut the line if the turn lane is full. (In some states–I don't know about Illinois–it is also illegal to change across multiple lanes in one fell swoop. Some states require you to hold a lane for at least one second before changing lanes again. I've seldom seen that enforced except when someone is overall being reckless, doing things like weaving in and out of traffic at high speed.)
I don't recall a Google Maps link being posted so far. Here's where it is. I've never been there, but it wasn't hard to find based on the OP's comments and clues in the video: https://goo.gl/maps/tS6ryp5k82enHpZi8
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 26, 2020, 10:06:52 PM
Some of his videos are featured here on this driving fail compilation video on YouTube. His videos start at 4:50 in.
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As expected, there are a large amount of people commenting what a jackass this guy is and how unnecessary it is to lay on the horn as long as he does.
Heh, which of our forum members commented?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201227/d17f504aa15801ad698e3ba89a8bee76.jpg)
This other user sounds like the OP, but his videos don't match up:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201227/2cfd37e4c08120f7a492e055b6e9dc68.jpg)
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
I still haven't seen anything proving it is "not legal to stop" there. Looking at it on Google Maps, I see two signs saying "Right Turn at All Times," but nothing saying "No Stopping." Is the argument that the green arrow is to be interpreted as a requirement to keep moving all the way throughout the entire turning movement? (Bearing in mind the OP claims it's illegal to cross the solid white line after turning, a claim that has been shown to be wrong.) One thing I've wondered is how many people come to a stop because they want to change two lanes over to the left immediately after turning right in order to make a left turn to go to the Wal-Mart at the next light. That's perfectly legitimate. While you could go straight at the light to get to Wal-Mart, you have to pass in front of PetsMart and go through a bunch of stop signs in a parking lot with pedestrians crossing.
So if someone wants to get over to the left-turn lane, depending on the amount of traffic that's not bad driving so much as it is less-than-optimal road design. I note the OP contends the left-turn lane only begins where the merge lane ends. While that appears to be true, you'd then have to change all the way across directly into the merge lane right at once instead of working your way across, and depending on how many people are lined up to turn left, you might effectively be trying to cut the line if the turn lane is full. (In some states–I don't know about Illinois–it is also illegal to change across multiple lanes in one fell swoop. Some states require you to hold a lane for at least one second before changing lanes again. I've seldom seen that enforced except when someone is overall being reckless, doing things like weaving in and out of traffic at high speed.)
I don't recall a Google Maps link being posted so far. Here's where it is. I've never been there, but it wasn't hard to find based on the OP's comments and clues in the video: https://goo.gl/maps/tS6ryp5k82enHpZi8
As far as I know, the only way to make it explicitly illegal to change lanes across a line is to make it a double-solid, as both Texas and Missouri do.
There are two ways to solve the road design problem here:
(1) Acquire part of the U.S. Bank parking lot to build a jughandle, so everyone turning from SB IL 159 into the Walmart shopping center has to do so from the right lane. If not for the U.S. Bank location, this would be ideal from a traffic flow standpoint, but the U.S. Bank compromises it pretty significantly, for two reasons. One, it's generally unadvisable to have a building on the
inside of any jughandle or ramp, although it's been known to happen. Two, drivers coming out of the bank drive-through would have to stop at the jughandle, turn left onto it, and stop again at Jct. Dr. W., and it's also not a good idea to introduce a conflict point in the middle of a jughandle.
(2) Convert the right-turn slip ramp for the SB IL 159 through traffic into a double-right-turn bay, with a protected signal phase for right turns and perhaps a RTOR prohibition. This would compromise traffic flow on SB IL 159 by introducing a point where traffic would have to stop at a red light, but I don't think this would be a big deal since NB IL 159 already has that situation at the left turn at that location. It's actually fairly common to convert right-turn slip ramps into signalized turning bays. It may seem like a step backwards, but it alleviates the problems encountered from people who want to make a left turn shortly after the right-turn movement,
and if pedestrian facilities are eventually added, it makes them safer. Close to home, this has already been done in both Olathe and Overland Park, KS, at these locations respectively: https://goo.gl/maps/ktvpBxcTLazasVSr9 , https://goo.gl/maps/YqWp5oKVVFLubPr97 .
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
I still haven't seen anything proving it is "not legal to stop" there. Looking at it on Google Maps, I see two signs saying "Right Turn at All Times," but nothing saying "No Stopping." Is the argument that the green arrow is to be interpreted as a requirement to keep moving all the way throughout the entire turning movement? (Bearing in mind the OP claims it's illegal to cross the solid white line after turning, a claim that has been shown to be wrong.) One thing I've wondered is how many people come to a stop because they want to change two lanes over to the left immediately after turning right in order to make a left turn to go to the Wal-Mart at the next light. That's perfectly legitimate. While you could go straight at the light to get to Wal-Mart, you have to pass in front of PetsMart and go through a bunch of stop signs in a parking lot with pedestrians crossing.
So if someone wants to get over to the left-turn lane, depending on the amount of traffic that's not bad driving so much as it is less-than-optimal road design. I note the OP contends the left-turn lane only begins where the merge lane ends. While that appears to be true, you'd then have to change all the way across directly into the merge lane right at once instead of working your way across, and depending on how many people are lined up to turn left, you might effectively be trying to cut the line if the turn lane is full. (In some states–I don't know about Illinois–it is also illegal to change across multiple lanes in one fell swoop. Some states require you to hold a lane for at least one second before changing lanes again. I've seldom seen that enforced except when someone is overall being reckless, doing things like weaving in and out of traffic at high speed.)
I don't recall a Google Maps link being posted so far. Here's where it is. I've never been there, but it wasn't hard to find based on the OP's comments and clues in the video: https://goo.gl/maps/tS6ryp5k82enHpZi8
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 26, 2020, 10:06:52 PM
Some of his videos are featured here on this driving fail compilation video on YouTube. His videos start at 4:50 in.
....
As expected, there are a large amount of people commenting what a jackass this guy is and how unnecessary it is to lay on the horn as long as he does.
Heh, which of our forum members commented?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201227/d17f504aa15801ad698e3ba89a8bee76.jpg)
This other user sounds like the OP, but his videos don't match up:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201227/2cfd37e4c08120f7a492e055b6e9dc68.jpg)
Haha. That first comment is me. My real name is Campbell Sadeghy.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
I still haven’t seen anything proving it is "not legal to stop" there.
The obedience to traffic control devices statute
Quote(625 ILCS 5/11-305) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-305)
Sec. 11-305. Obedience to and required traffic-control devices.
(a) The driver of any vehicle shall obey the instructions of any official traffic-control device applicable thereto placed or held in accordance with the provisions of this Act, unless otherwise directed by a police officer, subject to the exceptions granted the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle in this Act.
hints that it is illegal to stop there because 1) there is a green arrow , and 2) there is a right turn at all times sign which will soon be changed because I emailed IDOT and they even told me that the sign is a regulatory traffic control device sign. Furthermore, in the original of the first clip in the video, the cop himself also told me that it is illegal to be stopped there. here's the other statute that governs this
Quote(625 ILCS 5/11-1303) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1303)
Sec. 11-1303. Stopping, standing or parking prohibited in specified places.
(a) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with law or the directions of a police officer or official traffic-control device, no person shall:
1. Stop, stand or park a vehicle:
c. Within an intersection
i. At any place where official signs prohibit stopping
Also Under this statute, the green arrow and the sign prohibits stopping in this location. So, theoretically one can receive two traffic citations for being stopped there.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
Looking at it on Google Maps, I see two signs saying "Right Turn at All Times," but nothing saying "No Stopping." Is the argument that the green arrow is to be interpreted as a requirement to keep moving all the way throughout the entire turning movement? (Bearing in mind the OP claims it’s illegal to cross the solid white line after turning, a claim that has been shown to be wrong.) One thing I’ve wondered is how many people come to a stop because they want to change two lanes over to the left immediately after turning right in order to make a left turn to go to the Wal-Mart at the next light. That’s perfectly legitimate. While you could go straight at the light to get to Wal-Mart, you have to pass in front of PetsMart and go through a bunch of stop signs in a parking lot with pedestrians crossing.
So if someone wants to get over to the left-turn lane, depending on the amount of traffic that’s not bad driving so much as it is less-than-optimal road design. I note the OP contends the left-turn lane only begins where the merge lane ends. While that appears to be true, you’d then have to change all the way across directly into the merge lane right at once instead of working your way across, and depending on how many people are lined up to turn left, you might effectively be trying to cut the line if the turn lane is full. (In some states—I don’t know about Illinois—it is also illegal to change across multiple lanes in one fell swoop. Some states require you to hold a lane for at least one second before changing lanes again. I’ve seldom seen that enforced except when someone is overall being reckless, doing things like weaving in and out of traffic at high speed.)
I don’t recall a Google Maps link being posted so far. Here’s where it is. I’ve never been there, but it wasn’t hard to find based on the OP's comments and clues in the video: https://goo.gl/maps/tS6ryp5k82enHpZi8
For those who can't reach the turn lane in time there is another intersection from that point that leads to a frontage road which grants access to walmart and all the other businesses in that area. While it is an extra step, at least this way you are not holding up, or endangering fellow motorists and also avoiding receiving two citations. The comments on that video as well as the original of the first clip in that video are in support of me. Here is a transcript of the email I received from IDOT
Quote
Dear Mr. ........:
Thank you for your email concerning signing modifications to the existing “RIGHT TURN AT ALL TIMES” signs at the intersection of Troy Road and Illinois Route 159 in Glen Carbon. This is a common concern, not just at the subject location but throughout the State as well. The Department utilizes the MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES (MUTCD) when determining the type and location of signs. The photo you have provided from Geneva shows a MUTCD compliant sign; however, the orientation of the sign is not consistent with the MUTCD. Further, the sign assembly is only an advanced warning and is not regulatory. This could present problems with enforcement.
We have configured a new sign design within the parameters of the MUTCD that we will install at the subject intersection in an effort to bring more attention and clear direction to the motorists. These signs are currently being fabricated at our Central Sign Shop and we will install them upon receipt.
Thanks again for your email and please let me know if you have any questions.
But does a green light require that you must keep moving? I'm not sure it necessarily does.
When you see the new signs, please post a follow-up because it'll be interesting to see what they do.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
I still haven't seen anything proving it is "not legal to stop" there. Looking at it on Google Maps, I see two signs saying "Right Turn at All Times," but nothing saying "No Stopping." Is the argument that the green arrow is to be interpreted as a requirement to keep moving all the way throughout the entire turning movement? (Bearing in mind the OP claims it's illegal to cross the solid white line after turning, a claim that has been shown to be wrong.) One thing I've wondered is how many people come to a stop because they want to change two lanes over to the left immediately after turning right in order to make a left turn to go to the Wal-Mart at the next light. That's perfectly legitimate. While you could go straight at the light to get to Wal-Mart, you have to pass in front of PetsMart and go through a bunch of stop signs in a parking lot with pedestrians crossing.
So if someone wants to get over to the left-turn lane, depending on the amount of traffic that's not bad driving so much as it is less-than-optimal road design. I note the OP contends the left-turn lane only begins where the merge lane ends. While that appears to be true, you'd then have to change all the way across directly into the merge lane right at once instead of working your way across, and depending on how many people are lined up to turn left, you might effectively be trying to cut the line if the turn lane is full. (In some states–I don't know about Illinois–it is also illegal to change across multiple lanes in one fell swoop. Some states require you to hold a lane for at least one second before changing lanes again. I've seldom seen that enforced except when someone is overall being reckless, doing things like weaving in and out of traffic at high speed.)
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 02:37:03 PM
But does a green light require that you must keep moving? I'm not sure it necessarily does.
When you see the new signs, please post a follow-up because it'll be interesting to see what they do.
Yes the green arrow acts like any other green arrow...you are supposed to keep moving and there shouldn't be any other conflicts, which is why the lane exists just like an acceleration lane on a highway. The problem with these lanes though is that when there are other movements nearby, people do have a tendency to stop in them.
The problem with Crash_It's issue isn't necessarily the lane or people stopping, but rather his non-relenting use of the horn, which makes things worse, not better, as the stopped person may be looking around for another danger and continues to remain stopped.
As far as loving across multiple lanes at one time, that's an issue where sometimes the law and road planning often conflict with each other.
Quote from: Crash_It on December 27, 2020, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
I still haven't seen anything proving it is "not legal to stop" there.
The obedience to traffic control devices statute Quote(625 ILCS 5/11-305) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-305)
Sec. 11-305. Obedience to and required traffic-control devices.
(a) The driver of any vehicle shall obey the instructions of any official traffic-control device applicable thereto placed or held in accordance with the provisions of this Act, unless otherwise directed by a police officer, subject to the exceptions granted the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle in this Act.
hints that it is illegal to stop there because 1) there is a green arrow , and 2) there is a right turn at all times sign which will soon be changed because I emailed IDOT and they even told me that the sign is a regulatory traffic control device sign. Furthermore, in the original of the first clip in the video, the cop himself also told me that it is illegal to be stopped there. here's the other statute that governs this
Quote(625 ILCS 5/11-1303) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1303)
Sec. 11-1303. Stopping, standing or parking prohibited in specified places.
(a) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with law or the directions of a police officer or official traffic-control device, no person shall:
1. Stop, stand or park a vehicle:
c. Within an intersection
i. At any place where official signs prohibit stopping
Also Under this statute, the green arrow and the sign prohibits stopping in this location. So, theoretically one can receive two traffic citations for being stopped there.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
Looking at it on Google Maps, I see two signs saying "Right Turn at All Times," but nothing saying "No Stopping." Is the argument that the green arrow is to be interpreted as a requirement to keep moving all the way throughout the entire turning movement? (Bearing in mind the OP claims it's illegal to cross the solid white line after turning, a claim that has been shown to be wrong.) One thing I've wondered is how many people come to a stop because they want to change two lanes over to the left immediately after turning right in order to make a left turn to go to the Wal-Mart at the next light. That's perfectly legitimate. While you could go straight at the light to get to Wal-Mart, you have to pass in front of PetsMart and go through a bunch of stop signs in a parking lot with pedestrians crossing.
So if someone wants to get over to the left-turn lane, depending on the amount of traffic that's not bad driving so much as it is less-than-optimal road design. I note the OP contends the left-turn lane only begins where the merge lane ends. While that appears to be true, you'd then have to change all the way across directly into the merge lane right at once instead of working your way across, and depending on how many people are lined up to turn left, you might effectively be trying to cut the line if the turn lane is full. (In some states–I don't know about Illinois–it is also illegal to change across multiple lanes in one fell swoop. Some states require you to hold a lane for at least one second before changing lanes again. I've seldom seen that enforced except when someone is overall being reckless, doing things like weaving in and out of traffic at high speed.)
I don't recall a Google Maps link being posted so far. Here's where it is. I've never been there, but it wasn't hard to find based on the OP's comments and clues in the video: https://goo.gl/maps/tS6ryp5k82enHpZi8
For those who can't reach the turn lane in time there is another intersection from that point that leads to a frontage road which grants access to walmart and all the other businesses in that area. While it is an extra step, at least this way you are not holding up, or endangering fellow motorists and also avoiding receiving two citations. The comments on that video as well as the original of the first clip in that video are in support of me. Here is a transcript of the email I received from IDOT
Quote
Dear Mr. ........:
Thank you for your email concerning signing modifications to the existing "RIGHT TURN AT ALL TIMES" signs at the intersection of Troy Road and Illinois Route 159 in Glen Carbon. This is a common concern, not just at the subject location but throughout the State as well. The Department utilizes the MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES (MUTCD) when determining the type and location of signs. The photo you have provided from Geneva shows a MUTCD compliant sign; however, the orientation of the sign is not consistent with the MUTCD. Further, the sign assembly is only an advanced warning and is not regulatory. This could present problems with enforcement.
We have configured a new sign design within the parameters of the MUTCD that we will install at the subject intersection in an effort to bring more attention and clear direction to the motorists. These signs are currently being fabricated at our Central Sign Shop and we will install them upon receipt.
Thanks again for your email and please let me know if you have any questions.
Is there such a thing as "illegal stopping" to begin with? Stopping is the very basic defensive driving technique and is the default response to many emergency, or potential emergency situations. You absolutely must stop if moving forward may create an issue - such as collision with a person, object, animal, car. Saying "I thought the failure to stop may result in an accident" should be a valid defense in any situation.
I am not talking about "no stopping" signs, as they imply a different definition of stopping to begin with.
One other point–consistent with your third sentence–is that even if the vehicle in front of you wrongly stops, you still have to avoid running into that vehicle, which may mean that you must stop.
Quote from: kalvado on December 27, 2020, 03:35:27 PM
Is there such a thing as "illegal stopping" to begin with?
Sure there is. Obstructing of traffic. You can't just stop on a road in a travel lane for no reason. Stopped at a green light is how many an intoxicated person are found because they passed out at a red light!
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 27, 2020, 04:07:23 PM
Quote from: kalvado on December 27, 2020, 03:35:27 PM
Is there such a thing as "illegal stopping" to begin with?
Sure there is. Obstructing of traffic. You can't just stop on a road in a travel lane for no reason. Stopped at a green light is how many an intoxicated person are found because they passed out at a red light!
question is about duration and reason. Passing out drunk is one thing, uncertainty about exact traffic pattern is the other. I would be surprised if the second one can be called "illegal".
I wonder what would the charge be for a drunk stop - DWI or illegal stop? I suspect stop would be presented as an indication of something being wrong, hence a probable cause.
Quote from: kalvado on December 27, 2020, 05:18:03 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 27, 2020, 04:07:23 PM
Quote from: kalvado on December 27, 2020, 03:35:27 PM
Is there such a thing as "illegal stopping" to begin with?
Sure there is. Obstructing of traffic. You can't just stop on a road in a travel lane for no reason. Stopped at a green light is how many an intoxicated person are found because they passed out at a red light!
question is about duration and reason. Passing out drunk is one thing, uncertainty about exact traffic pattern is the other. I would be surprised if the second one can be called "illegal".
I wonder what would the charge be for a drunk stop - DWI or illegal stop? I suspect stop would be presented as an indication of something being wrong, hence a probable cause.
Actually, your question and entire statement never mentioned either two.
At this particular type intersection, many drivers treat it as a yield. There's no time limit. I would suspect that someone stopping for traffic to clear so they can merge over would be fine, regardless of the length of time.
For DUIs, the guilty driver is usually charged for numerous violations, which include the first thing the police noticed
Quote from: stridentweasel on December 27, 2020, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
I still haven't seen anything proving it is "not legal to stop" there. Looking at it on Google Maps, I see two signs saying "Right Turn at All Times," but nothing saying "No Stopping." Is the argument that the green arrow is to be interpreted as a requirement to keep moving all the way throughout the entire turning movement? (Bearing in mind the OP claims it's illegal to cross the solid white line after turning, a claim that has been shown to be wrong.) One thing I've wondered is how many people come to a stop because they want to change two lanes over to the left immediately after turning right in order to make a left turn to go to the Wal-Mart at the next light. That's perfectly legitimate. While you could go straight at the light to get to Wal-Mart, you have to pass in front of PetsMart and go through a bunch of stop signs in a parking lot with pedestrians crossing.
So if someone wants to get over to the left-turn lane, depending on the amount of traffic that's not bad driving so much as it is less-than-optimal road design. I note the OP contends the left-turn lane only begins where the merge lane ends. While that appears to be true, you'd then have to change all the way across directly into the merge lane right at once instead of working your way across, and depending on how many people are lined up to turn left, you might effectively be trying to cut the line if the turn lane is full. (In some states–I don't know about Illinois–it is also illegal to change across multiple lanes in one fell swoop. Some states require you to hold a lane for at least one second before changing lanes again. I've seldom seen that enforced except when someone is overall being reckless, doing things like weaving in and out of traffic at high speed.)
I don't recall a Google Maps link being posted so far. Here's where it is. I've never been there, but it wasn't hard to find based on the OP's comments and clues in the video: https://goo.gl/maps/tS6ryp5k82enHpZi8
As far as I know, the only way to make it explicitly illegal to change lanes across a line is to make it a double-solid, as both Texas and Missouri do.
There are two ways to solve the road design problem here:
(1) Acquire part of the U.S. Bank parking lot to build a jughandle, so everyone turning from SB IL 159 into the Walmart shopping center has to do so from the right lane. If not for the U.S. Bank location, this would be ideal from a traffic flow standpoint, but the U.S. Bank compromises it pretty significantly, for two reasons. One, it's generally unadvisable to have a building on the inside of any jughandle or ramp, although it's been known to happen. Two, drivers coming out of the bank drive-through would have to stop at the jughandle, turn left onto it, and stop again at Jct. Dr. W., and it's also not a good idea to introduce a conflict point in the middle of a jughandle.
(2) Convert the right-turn slip ramp for the SB IL 159 through traffic into a double-right-turn bay, with a protected signal phase for right turns and perhaps a RTOR prohibition. This would compromise traffic flow on SB IL 159 by introducing a point where traffic would have to stop at a red light, but I don't think this would be a big deal since NB IL 159 already has that situation at the left turn at that location. It's actually fairly common to convert right-turn slip ramps into signalized turning bays. It may seem like a step backwards, but it alleviates the problems encountered from people who want to make a left turn shortly after the right-turn movement, and if pedestrian facilities are eventually added, it makes them safer. Close to home, this has already been done in both Olathe and Overland Park, KS, at these locations respectively: https://goo.gl/maps/ktvpBxcTLazasVSr9 , https://goo.gl/maps/YqWp5oKVVFLubPr97 .
Just to add to the last point stridentweasel mentioned. There is definitely movement of changing slip lanes to right turn lanes in the name of pedestrian safety. Pedestrian advocates in many cities advocate for this, since they feel that cars do accelerate through slip lanes.
An intersection near me, adjacent to a bike trail, was converted from right slip lane to right turn lane.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0076501,-77.0202353,3a,75y,287.15h,84.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sazyL8pet6XJ8D75iRG9oMA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0076795,-77.0202649,3a,75y,287.15h,84.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKsPb5IttPsJoeNoKFV1u4Q!2e0!5s20190601T000000!7i16384!8i8192
If there is room at the Glen Carbon intersection to turn the slip ramp into a double right turn lane, this may resolve a lot of the problems. People wanting to go to the shopping center will be in the left of the two right turn lanes and the others will be in the right most lane. To the extent that this is even controlled, you could have a situation where RTOR is only permitted in the far right lane. That traffic can go, while those who need to make an immediate left after turning will just simply wait for the green light.
At times, you can even allow both a right turn lane and a slip ramp. [I recall an intersection in WA that was posted on another thread allowing for this.] Here is an example in DC near the washington hospital center. A free right turn for traffic to Irving Street using the slip ramp, but a right turn at the traffic signal if you want to turn right and then turn left to continue onto First street or to reach the entrance to the hospitals.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9319529,-77.008106,3a,75y,210.93h,86.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swL0RPue6KmE_OSEAf0PE-Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DwL0RPue6KmE_OSEAf0PE-Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D278.1883%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
I just realized...Looking at the GSV for the intersection in the OP, there isn't a right turn arrow on the mast arm, which is surely the first place drivers will look for guidance on what they're allowed to do. The signal installed by IDOT fails IDOT's minimum requirements for signal indications: every movement represented must have at least two indications pointed at the approach from which the movement originates. Perhaps we should default to considering whether the traffic infrastructure is faulty before chastising drivers? The signal does a poor job of communicating what to do. The signage is nice, but people coming to a signal are going to look to the signal first and the signage second, when determining who has the right of way.
Look at this! Only one right arrow, and it's on the near right corner of the intersection? That's definitely not adequate in Illinois. Every other example of a permanent green right arrow I've seen in Illinois has at least two. To fix this blunder easily, make the rightmost signal head on the mast arm a 4-section head with a green right arrow that's always on (or add a 4-section head to the right of the three installed).
https://goo.gl/maps/mraFaYf1wEgL5H4u8
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 28, 2020, 12:03:53 PM
I just realized...Looking at the GSV for the intersection in the OP, there isn't a right turn arrow on the mast arm, which is surely the first place drivers will look for guidance on what they're allowed to do. The signal installed by IDOT fails IDOT's minimum requirements for signal indications: every movement represented must have at least two indications pointed at the approach from which the movement originates. Perhaps we should default to considering whether the traffic infrastructure is faulty before chastising drivers? The signal does a poor job of communicating what to do. The signage is nice, but people coming to a signal are going to look to the signal first and the signage second, when determining who has the right of way.
Look at this! Only one right arrow, and it's on the near right corner of the intersection? That's definitely not adequate in Illinois. Every other example of a permanent green right arrow I've seen in Illinois has at least two. To fix this blunder easily, make the rightmost signal head on the mast arm a 4-section head with a green right arrow that's always on (or add a 4-section head to the right of the three installed).
https://goo.gl/maps/mraFaYf1wEgL5H4u8
Going to add to this... looking through GSV in previous years (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7789998,-89.9539116,3a,78.6y,121.83h,90.36t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srZEYM9hLDBFQSYUN8YRpWQ!2e0!5s20161001T000000!7i13312!8i6656) it appears the 4-section R-Y-G-GA(/YA?) signal head was added sometime in 2017, at the same time the yellow reflective tape was added onto the signal on the mast arm. Just out of curiosity, was there a problem with drivers stopping when that signal was just a R-Y-G head pre-2017?
I would also like to know if this intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6307638,-70.3117874,3a,26.9y,175.24h,89.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sprZkhcpTg6t8hAsk6uOiUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) closer to home in South Portland ME also suffers from the same design flaw as mentioned in reply #147. If there's a YIELD sign at the end of the ramp, then what is the purpose of the right turn signal at this location? Which traffic control device has priority, the signal or YIELD sign? The stopping issue like the intersection in IL isn't prevalent here and there's no marked stop line for such signal for the right turn (unless you want to count the end of the slip lane the theoretical stop line).
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 28, 2020, 12:03:53 PM
I just realized...Looking at the GSV for the intersection in the OP, there isn't a right turn arrow on the mast arm, which is surely the first place drivers will look for guidance on what they're allowed to do. The signal installed by IDOT fails IDOT's minimum requirements for signal indications: every movement represented must have at least two indications pointed at the approach from which the movement originates. Perhaps we should default to considering whether the traffic infrastructure is faulty before chastising drivers? The signal does a poor job of communicating what to do. The signage is nice, but people coming to a signal are going to look to the signal first and the signage second, when determining who has the right of way.
Look at this! Only one right arrow, and it's on the near right corner of the intersection? That's definitely not adequate in Illinois. Every other example of a permanent green right arrow I've seen in Illinois has at least two. To fix this blunder easily, make the rightmost signal head on the mast arm a 4-section head with a green right arrow that's always on (or add a 4-section head to the right of the three installed).
https://goo.gl/maps/mraFaYf1wEgL5H4u8
I don't see how that helps in this case. That right arrow would be over a straight-only lane, which wouldn't make sense there and would be out of the line of sight for those making a right turn in the right lane.
The reality is no signals are really needed for the right turn movement. The single arrow provided is just to help with guidance to keep traffic moving in that lane. Most motorists are stopping because they want to immediately merge over to the left; not because they're confused with if they have the right of way.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 28, 2020, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 28, 2020, 12:03:53 PM
I just realized...Looking at the GSV for the intersection in the OP, there isn't a right turn arrow on the mast arm, which is surely the first place drivers will look for guidance on what they're allowed to do. The signal installed by IDOT fails IDOT's minimum requirements for signal indications: every movement represented must have at least two indications pointed at the approach from which the movement originates. Perhaps we should default to considering whether the traffic infrastructure is faulty before chastising drivers? The signal does a poor job of communicating what to do. The signage is nice, but people coming to a signal are going to look to the signal first and the signage second, when determining who has the right of way.
Look at this! Only one right arrow, and it's on the near right corner of the intersection? That's definitely not adequate in Illinois. Every other example of a permanent green right arrow I've seen in Illinois has at least two. To fix this blunder easily, make the rightmost signal head on the mast arm a 4-section head with a green right arrow that's always on (or add a 4-section head to the right of the three installed).
https://goo.gl/maps/mraFaYf1wEgL5H4u8
I don't see how that helps in this case. That right arrow would be over a straight-only lane, which wouldn't make sense there and would be out of the line of sight for those making a right turn in the right lane.
The reality is no signals are really needed for the right turn movement. The single arrow provided is just to help with guidance to keep traffic moving in that lane. Most motorists are stopping because they want to immediately merge over to the left; not because they're confused with if they have the right of way.
Could another solution be to put an additional right turn lane (or at this location, make the thru lane, thru/right)? I was thinking that additional right turn option would prevent the need to have drivers from the slip lane dive bomb multiple lanes to get into the left lanes. Though this is a circle, this setup is used at Route 16 in Revere MA near Route 99 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4030321,-71.0700025,210m/data=!3m1!1e3).
Quote from: fwydriver405 on December 28, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 28, 2020, 12:03:53 PM
I just realized...Looking at the GSV for the intersection in the OP, there isn't a right turn arrow on the mast arm, which is surely the first place drivers will look for guidance on what they're allowed to do. The signal installed by IDOT fails IDOT's minimum requirements for signal indications: every movement represented must have at least two indications pointed at the approach from which the movement originates. Perhaps we should default to considering whether the traffic infrastructure is faulty before chastising drivers? The signal does a poor job of communicating what to do. The signage is nice, but people coming to a signal are going to look to the signal first and the signage second, when determining who has the right of way.
Look at this! Only one right arrow, and it's on the near right corner of the intersection? That's definitely not adequate in Illinois. Every other example of a permanent green right arrow I've seen in Illinois has at least two. To fix this blunder easily, make the rightmost signal head on the mast arm a 4-section head with a green right arrow that's always on (or add a 4-section head to the right of the three installed).
https://goo.gl/maps/mraFaYf1wEgL5H4u8
Going to add to this... looking through GSV in previous years (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7789998,-89.9539116,3a,78.6y,121.83h,90.36t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srZEYM9hLDBFQSYUN8YRpWQ!2e0!5s20161001T000000!7i13312!8i6656) it appears the 4-section R-Y-G-GA(/YA?) signal head was added sometime in 2017, at the same time the yellow reflective tape was added onto the signal on the mast arm. Just out of curiosity, was there a problem with drivers stopping when that signal was just a R-Y-G head pre-2017?
I imagine that it was likely worse then, I didn't start traversing the intersection until this past summer when I met my gf.
Quote
I would also like to know if this intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6307638,-70.3117874,3a,26.9y,175.24h,89.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sprZkhcpTg6t8hAsk6uOiUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) closer to home in South Portland ME also suffers from the same design flaw as mentioned in reply #147. If there's a YIELD sign at the end of the ramp, then what is the purpose of the right turn signal at this location? Which traffic control device has priority, the signal or YIELD sign? The stopping issue like the intersection in IL isn't prevalent here and there's no marked stop line for such signal for the right turn (unless you want to count the end of the slip lane the theoretical stop line).
That one is easy, if the arrow is red you yield, if not then you can go. Similar as this here
Park City, Illinois
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NJaA6pKs5yowaj7R8
Quote from: fwydriver405 on December 28, 2020, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 28, 2020, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 28, 2020, 12:03:53 PM
I just realized...Looking at the GSV for the intersection in the OP, there isn't a right turn arrow on the mast arm, which is surely the first place drivers will look for guidance on what they're allowed to do. The signal installed by IDOT fails IDOT's minimum requirements for signal indications: every movement represented must have at least two indications pointed at the approach from which the movement originates. Perhaps we should default to considering whether the traffic infrastructure is faulty before chastising drivers? The signal does a poor job of communicating what to do. The signage is nice, but people coming to a signal are going to look to the signal first and the signage second, when determining who has the right of way.
Look at this! Only one right arrow, and it's on the near right corner of the intersection? That's definitely not adequate in Illinois. Every other example of a permanent green right arrow I've seen in Illinois has at least two. To fix this blunder easily, make the rightmost signal head on the mast arm a 4-section head with a green right arrow that's always on (or add a 4-section head to the right of the three installed).
https://goo.gl/maps/mraFaYf1wEgL5H4u8
I don't see how that helps in this case. That right arrow would be over a straight-only lane, which wouldn't make sense there and would be out of the line of sight for those making a right turn in the right lane.
The reality is no signals are really needed for the right turn movement. The single arrow provided is just to help with guidance to keep traffic moving in that lane. Most motorists are stopping because they want to immediately merge over to the left; not because they're confused with if they have the right of way.
Could another solution be to put an additional right turn lane (or at this location, make the thru lane, thru/right)? I was thinking that additional right turn option would prevent the need to have drivers from the slip lane dive bomb multiple lanes to get into the left lanes. Though this is a circle, this setup is used at Route 16 in Revere MA near Route 99 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4030321,-71.0700025,210m/data=!3m1!1e3).
I do like your solution. It separates Crash_It from the people that he is annoyed with.
In all seriousness, there are solutions to this issue. I am actually more concerned with the use of the green right arrow somehow indicating that this is a protected right turn. In most cases where a right turn arrow is displayed the right turn is protected from all/most traffic with the possible exception of u-turning traffic who have a concurrent protected left signal. Here, the right turn is only protected IF YOU MAKE YOUR RIGHT TURN AND STAY IN THE RIGHTMOST LANE. For much of the time, cross traffic has the right of way in the other two lanes. I know that IL tends to be pretty strict about turning into the rightmost lane, but from the perspective of an unfamiliar driver, you shouldn't indicate that this turn is fully protected, because it really is not.
In my area, we have a similar intersection with a free right turn into the right lane at all times (except for pedestrian crossings but few pedestrians exist here). I don't notice any problems that Crash_It has for several reasons. One, the right lane continues for several miles and drivers could conceivably drive on it for a long time. Two, the next few blocks are relatively minor streets so very few drivers need to merge over to make an immediate left turn. Three, the yellow sign (partially covered by the tree) indicates the free right turn so drivers understand they have a free turn onto the right lane, independent of the traffic signal indication.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0756831,-76.9939731,3a,75y,247.89h,80.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEC1SVef9nyeTra7IiYd93w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 27, 2020, 02:48:47 PM
As far as loving across multiple lanes at one time, that's an issue
Nah, that's just inclusiveness.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 28, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 27, 2020, 02:48:47 PM
As far as loving across multiple lanes at one time, that's an issue
Nah, that's just inclusiveness.
I can't stand typing on a cell phone...
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 28, 2020, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 28, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 27, 2020, 02:48:47 PM
As far as loving across multiple lanes at one time, that's an issue
Nah, that's just inclusiveness.
I can't stand typing on a cell phone...
I'm with you 100 percent. I absolutely hate typing on phones and I can't the amount of times I've tried to rewrite a word only to mess it up 3-4 times in a row or have autocorrect change my word to duck. ;) but seriously I do not like typing on phones. I'm one of those weirdos in my age group who hates texting.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 29, 2020, 11:39:19 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 28, 2020, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 28, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 27, 2020, 02:48:47 PM
As far as loving across multiple lanes at one time, that's an issue
Nah, that's just inclusiveness.
I can't stand typing on a cell phone...
I'm with you 100 percent. I absolutely hate typing on phones and I can't the amount of times I've tried to rewrite a word only to mess it up 3-4 times in a row or have autocorrect change my word to duck. ;) but seriously I do not like typing on phones. I'm one of those weirdos in my age group who hates texting.
The only time I found it somewhat easy was with my old work Black Berry. The actual physical keyboard was very helpful compared to the often glitchy touch screens. Nothing any cell phone can do is going to replace the speed and ease of using a keyboard with proper typing position though.
Count me as someone also as someone who doesn't like texting. I didn't even learn how until text until 2010 after I had a work phone for a year.
To get back on track:
My fix for Illini/Troy in Glen Carbon would be:
(1) repaint the markings;
(2) install flexiposts along the gore point to discourage driving through the gore area and reinforce the add-lane situation;
(3) allow right turns at the signal by changing the through lane to a right turn only lane (very common in WA (https://goo.gl/maps/oPD63swMb8DofbkJ8) as highlighted by mrsman);
(4) add a pedestrian crossing to the slip lane with pedestrian warning sign and RRFBs;
(5a) change near-side signal to five-section right turn signal, duplicate two more times on far side of intersection (to allow right turn overlap for new right turn lane);
(5b) add a "this lane [45-degree down/left arrow]" below near side signal to reinforce that signal not applying to slip lane;
(6) finally, change the left lane into a left/straight lane and convert the intersection to permissive-only, or install an advanced green left arrow for that movement.
That final change would allow two permanent right turn lanes with only some island reconstruction required (in addition to other things I've mentioned).
Seems like a lot when the result of the problem is a few seconds of delay.
Remember, we're dealing with someone who has the mindset of going thru a red light is ok if he is behind a slower vehicle that made the light.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 30, 2020, 12:10:46 AM
Seems like a lot when the result of the problem is a few seconds of delay.
Remember, we're dealing with someone who has the mindset of going thru a red light is ok if he is behind a slower vehicle that made the light.
I made a huge list but it's not actually
that much.
To give credit where it's due: this kind of intersection design is not wise if you're going to permit free lefts from a road. Slip lanes are fine, but they should not be add-lanes. Changing this to a regular yield would be the quickest change and would permit traffic to immediately begin turning into any lane they wish.
Quote from: jakeroot on December 29, 2020, 02:38:47 PM
To get back on track:
My fix for Illini/Troy in Glen Carbon would be:
(1) repaint the markings;
(2) install flexiposts along the gore point to discourage driving through the gore area and reinforce the add-lane situation;
(3) allow right turns at the signal by changing the through lane to a right turn only lane (very common in WA (https://goo.gl/maps/oPD63swMb8DofbkJ8) as highlighted by mrsman);
(4) add a pedestrian crossing to the slip lane with pedestrian warning sign and RRFBs;
(5a) change near-side signal to five-section right turn signal, duplicate two more times on far side of intersection (to allow right turn overlap for new right turn lane);
(5b) add a "this lane [45-degree down/left arrow]" below near side signal to reinforce that signal not applying to slip lane;
(6) finally, change the left lane into a left/straight lane and convert the intersection to permissive-only, or install an advanced green left arrow for that movement.
That final change would allow two permanent right turn lanes with only some island reconstruction required (in addition to other things I've mentioned).
There's absolutely no reason to turn left after immediately making that right to access those places because one can either
1) go straight prior to that point or
2) turn at the intersection where there's a Walgreen's, that will give access to the same frontage road that going straight or immediately turning left would.
Converting it to a RTOR setup is totally unnecessary.
People are just being selfish and stupid.
Quote from: Crash_It on December 30, 2020, 06:20:47 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on December 29, 2020, 02:38:47 PM
To get back on track:
My fix for Illini/Troy in Glen Carbon would be:
(1) repaint the markings;
(2) install flexiposts along the gore point to discourage driving through the gore area and reinforce the add-lane situation;
(3) allow right turns at the signal by changing the through lane to a right turn only lane (very common in WA (https://goo.gl/maps/oPD63swMb8DofbkJ8) as highlighted by mrsman);
(4) add a pedestrian crossing to the slip lane with pedestrian warning sign and RRFBs;
(5a) change near-side signal to five-section right turn signal, duplicate two more times on far side of intersection (to allow right turn overlap for new right turn lane);
(5b) add a "this lane [45-degree down/left arrow]" below near side signal to reinforce that signal not applying to slip lane;
(6) finally, change the left lane into a left/straight lane and convert the intersection to permissive-only, or install an advanced green left arrow for that movement.
That final change would allow two permanent right turn lanes with only some island reconstruction required (in addition to other things I've mentioned).
There's absolutely no reason to turn left after immediately making that right to access those places because one can either
1) go straight prior to that point or
2) turn at the intersection where there's a Walgreen's, that will give access to the same frontage road that going straight or immediately turning left would.
Converting it to a RTOR setup is totally unnecessary.
People are just being selfish and stupid.
I'm proposing RTOR in addition to the existing add-lane. Nothing would change for you except fewer drivers needing to change over immediately. You should be in favor of my proposal.
Simply changing signs is rarely effective. You need the change the built infrastructure.
It doesn't matter how it could be used: it's how it is used. The fact is that you can turn left at the next signal, and there is no existing provision to allow drivers to easily complete this maneuver. Thus, you are constantly dealing with drivers who are stopping instead of continuing on. So, the intersection should be reconstructed to either (A) make this maneuver impossible by installing raised dividers, or (B) allowing right turns at the signal in addition to those via the slip lane. Neither would be cheap and easy, per se, but the issues you're experiencing right now will persist until one of those things is changed.
Quote from: jakeroot on December 30, 2020, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 30, 2020, 06:20:47 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on December 29, 2020, 02:38:47 PM
To get back on track:
My fix for Illini/Troy in Glen Carbon would be:
(1) repaint the markings;
(2) install flexiposts along the gore point to discourage driving through the gore area and reinforce the add-lane situation;
(3) allow right turns at the signal by changing the through lane to a right turn only lane (very common in WA (https://goo.gl/maps/oPD63swMb8DofbkJ8) as highlighted by mrsman);
(4) add a pedestrian crossing to the slip lane with pedestrian warning sign and RRFBs;
(5a) change near-side signal to five-section right turn signal, duplicate two more times on far side of intersection (to allow right turn overlap for new right turn lane);
(5b) add a "this lane [45-degree down/left arrow]" below near side signal to reinforce that signal not applying to slip lane;
(6) finally, change the left lane into a left/straight lane and convert the intersection to permissive-only, or install an advanced green left arrow for that movement.
That final change would allow two permanent right turn lanes with only some island reconstruction required (in addition to other things I've mentioned).
There's absolutely no reason to turn left after immediately making that right to access those places because one can either
1) go straight prior to that point or
2) turn at the intersection where there's a Walgreen's, that will give access to the same frontage road that going straight or immediately turning left would.
Converting it to a RTOR setup is totally unnecessary.
People are just being selfish and stupid.
I'm proposing RTOR in addition to the existing add-lane. Nothing would change for you except fewer drivers needing to change over immediately. You should be in favor of my proposal.
Simply changing signs is rarely effective. You need the change the built infrastructure.
It doesn't matter how it could be used: it's how it is used. The fact is that you can turn left at the next signal, and there is no existing provision to allow drivers to easily complete this maneuver. Thus, you are constantly dealing with drivers who are stopping instead of continuing on. So, the intersection should be reconstructed to either (A) make this maneuver impossible by installing raised dividers, or (B) allowing right turns at the signal in addition to those via the slip lane. Neither would be cheap and easy, per se, but the issues you're experiencing right now will persist until one of those things is changed.
The infrastructure to fix this is probably not terribly expensive. Yes, all of the things that jakeroot identified would be nice to have, but all that would be needed is simply to allow the right lane at the intersection to go both straight and right. A simple change in signage and maybe painting the pavement. Any drivers who are too timid to make right turn at the gore lane, would probably feel more comfortable waiting for the green light anyway to make their turn from Illini to Troy. They can use Illini's middle lane for that. Those who want to have the ability of a continuous turn will use the existing right lane and can make the turn without stopping.
Why did you use something as awesome as Chrono Trigger music in that video? :no:
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 30, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Why did you use something as awesome as Chrono Trigger music in that video? :no:
Because the relief that's coming is a happy breath of fresh air. I did it again for this video
https://youtu.be/rwnm2iYyUdc
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 28, 2020, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 28, 2020, 12:03:53 PM
I just realized...Looking at the GSV for the intersection in the OP, there isn't a right turn arrow on the mast arm, which is surely the first place drivers will look for guidance on what they're allowed to do. The signal installed by IDOT fails IDOT's minimum requirements for signal indications: every movement represented must have at least two indications pointed at the approach from which the movement originates. Perhaps we should default to considering whether the traffic infrastructure is faulty before chastising drivers? The signal does a poor job of communicating what to do. The signage is nice, but people coming to a signal are going to look to the signal first and the signage second, when determining who has the right of way.
Look at this! Only one right arrow, and it's on the near right corner of the intersection? That's definitely not adequate in Illinois. Every other example of a permanent green right arrow I've seen in Illinois has at least two. To fix this blunder easily, make the rightmost signal head on the mast arm a 4-section head with a green right arrow that's always on (or add a 4-section head to the right of the three installed).
https://goo.gl/maps/mraFaYf1wEgL5H4u8
I don't see how that helps in this case. That right arrow would be over a straight-only lane, which wouldn't make sense there and would be out of the line of sight for those making a right turn in the right lane.
The reality is no signals are really needed for the right turn movement. The single arrow provided is just to help with guidance to keep traffic moving in that lane. Most motorists are stopping because they want to immediately merge over to the left; not because they're confused with if they have the right of way.
You're wrong in that the signal would be out of sight of those making a right turn in the right lane. The people in that right lane are not 4 feet from the signal and wouldn't need to crane their neck left or right to see it. Plus, since people aren't stopping, the critical time for people to see such a signal would be
in advance of reaching the intersection. So if they see that green arrow from 100 or 200 feet away, that's all the driver would need to understand that they don't need to stop.
I'm coming from a perspective of catering to what Illinoisans would expect. I imagine someone from somewhere else would have different basic expectations on how a signal would communicate to drivers. Illinois isn't a state that puts up right turn yield signs and considers right turns to be separate from signals (except for a few rare exceptions cited recently). If the channelizing island for the right turn is large enough, people will figure out that they should consider the right turn movement to be like an exit ramp where people always have the right-of-way. But in situations where it's vague whether the channelizing island is large enough, extra clarification is a great idea to minimize confusion and crashes ensuing from said confusion.
If people are making the turn, and then trying to merge all the way left across two thru lanes to make an immediate left turn, then I don't blame the OP for getting frustrated and honking at them. If drivers can't figure out that it's much safer to go straight at the light and go south through the shopping center, they're dirtbags.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on January 02, 2021, 12:47:17 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 28, 2020, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 28, 2020, 12:03:53 PM
I just realized...Looking at the GSV for the intersection in the OP, there isn't a right turn arrow on the mast arm, which is surely the first place drivers will look for guidance on what they're allowed to do. The signal installed by IDOT fails IDOT's minimum requirements for signal indications: every movement represented must have at least two indications pointed at the approach from which the movement originates. Perhaps we should default to considering whether the traffic infrastructure is faulty before chastising drivers? The signal does a poor job of communicating what to do. The signage is nice, but people coming to a signal are going to look to the signal first and the signage second, when determining who has the right of way.
Look at this! Only one right arrow, and it's on the near right corner of the intersection? That's definitely not adequate in Illinois. Every other example of a permanent green right arrow I've seen in Illinois has at least two. To fix this blunder easily, make the rightmost signal head on the mast arm a 4-section head with a green right arrow that's always on (or add a 4-section head to the right of the three installed).
https://goo.gl/maps/mraFaYf1wEgL5H4u8
I don't see how that helps in this case. That right arrow would be over a straight-only lane, which wouldn't make sense there and would be out of the line of sight for those making a right turn in the right lane.
The reality is no signals are really needed for the right turn movement. The single arrow provided is just to help with guidance to keep traffic moving in that lane. Most motorists are stopping because they want to immediately merge over to the left; not because they're confused with if they have the right of way.
You're wrong in that the signal would be out of sight of those making a right turn in the right lane. The people in that right lane are not 4 feet from the signal and wouldn't need to crane their neck left or right to see it. Plus, since people aren't stopping, the critical time for people to see such a signal would be in advance of reaching the intersection. So if they see that green arrow from 100 or 200 feet away, that's all the driver would need to understand that they don't need to stop.
I'm coming from a perspective of catering to what Illinoisans would expect. I imagine someone from somewhere else would have different basic expectations on how a signal would communicate to drivers. Illinois isn't a state that puts up right turn yield signs and considers right turns to be separate from signals (except for a few rare exceptions cited recently). If the channelizing island for the right turn is large enough, people will figure out that they should consider the right turn movement to be like an exit ramp where people always have the right-of-way. But in situations where it's vague whether the channelizing island is large enough, extra clarification is a great idea to minimize confusion and crashes ensuing from said confusion.
If people are making the turn, and then trying to merge all the way left across two thru lanes to make an immediate left turn, then I don't blame the OP for getting frustrated and honking at them. If drivers can't figure out that it's much safer to go straight at the light and go south through the shopping center, they're dirtbags.
But they're not stopping before they make the right turn...they're stopping *after* they make the turn, where the lights would be out of view. So they're aware they can keep moving. It appears that lane is relatively short, so some people may be hesitant to continue if they feel they can't merge in time.
Obviously, the only true test is to see how the same driver would react when they make the turn without traffic on the cross street.
The subject of this thread is "Why can't people get this intersection right?". Two reasons, poor signage and they are not common. In 99.9% of right turns at intersections, you have to slow down and many times stop. I barely saw the green arrow, but I also saw a car going through the intersection at the same time. If I didn't know the intersection, I would have stopped as well.
The person who shot the video escalated this whole incident for video purposes and has a major road rage problem. First, he lays on the horn for a very long time, yells at the driver (whether they heard them or not), then cuts the driver off. Many people relate that behavior as road rage. Someone running up to the back of a car laying down the horn like he did probably scared the driver and they immediately stopped as they did know what was going on and then they tried to get out of the way by crossing over the line.
If I were the judge, I would give the minivan a warning and the person that shot the video at least two tickets, one for cutting off the driver and another for road rage.
Quote from: Crash_It on January 01, 2021, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 30, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Why did you use something as awesome as Chrono Trigger music in that video? :no:
Because the relief that's coming is a happy breath of fresh air. I did it again for this video
https://youtu.be/rwnm2iYyUdc
A lot of these look like you're lingering in the left lane after passing. When you say you want to "see what they do", it looks like you're provoking them so you can have some content for your videos.
Quote from: vdeane on January 02, 2021, 10:57:34 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 01, 2021, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 30, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Why did you use something as awesome as Chrono Trigger music in that video? :no:
Because the relief that's coming is a happy breath of fresh air. I did it again for this video
https://youtu.be/rwnm2iYyUdc
A lot of these look like you're lingering in the left lane after passing. When you say you want to "see what they do", it looks like you're provoking them so you can have some content for your videos.
I really have no words for his video. He calls it road-rage, he calls every driver "butthurt", yet it appears he causes nearly every issue and is butthurt over everything. At the 9:55 - 11:30 mark, he flashes his headlights for a driver driving "at or below the speed limit"...then complains when the driver is behind him, yet that driver never flashes his headlights in return.
The exchange at the McDonalds? Dude...it doesn't matter who's screen turns off first. It's a zipper merge. Besides "I was first...I was first...I was first..." Seriously?
And the passing just before the construction zone? Absolutely uncalled for. You know that construction zone is coming up, and workers may have been right at that lane ending point, taking up or removing those signs.
Quote from: wtd67 on January 02, 2021, 03:48:37 AM
The subject of this thread is "Why can't people get this intersection right?". Two reasons, poor signage and they are not common. In 99.9% of right turns at intersections, you have to slow down and many times stop. I barely saw the green arrow, but I also saw a car going through the intersection at the same time. If I didn't know the intersection, I would have stopped as well.
The person who shot the video escalated this whole incident for video purposes and has a major road rage problem. First, he lays on the horn for a very long time, yells at the driver (whether they heard them or not), then cuts the driver off. Many people relate that behavior as road rage. Someone running up to the back of a car laying down the horn like he did probably scared the driver and they immediately stopped as they did know what was going on and then they tried to get out of the way by crossing over the line.
If I were the judge, I would give the minivan a warning and the person that shot the video at least two tickets, one for cutting off the driver and another for road rage.
There was no road rage on my behalf, the driver was unlawfully stopped there end of story. The cop even agreed with my honking in the original of that video and initially didn't want to give the ticket.
Quote from: Crash_It on January 05, 2021, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: wtd67 on January 02, 2021, 03:48:37 AM
The subject of this thread is "Why can't people get this intersection right?". Two reasons, poor signage and they are not common. In 99.9% of right turns at intersections, you have to slow down and many times stop. I barely saw the green arrow, but I also saw a car going through the intersection at the same time. If I didn't know the intersection, I would have stopped as well.
The person who shot the video escalated this whole incident for video purposes and has a major road rage problem. First, he lays on the horn for a very long time, yells at the driver (whether they heard them or not), then cuts the driver off. Many people relate that behavior as road rage. Someone running up to the back of a car laying down the horn like he did probably scared the driver and they immediately stopped as they did know what was going on and then they tried to get out of the way by crossing over the line.
If I were the judge, I would give the minivan a warning and the person that shot the video at least two tickets, one for cutting off the driver and another for road rage.
There was no road rage on my behalf, the driver was unlawfully stopped there end of story. The cop even agreed with my honking in the original of that video and initially didn't want to give the ticket.
Beyond a brief tap on the horn, you don't have the right to engage in any of that behavior toward another driver who is stopped illegally. It's not a felony. You don't have the right to tailgate them, blare your horn, or cut them off. That behavior is never warranted.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2021, 07:24:41 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 05, 2021, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: wtd67 on January 02, 2021, 03:48:37 AM
The subject of this thread is "Why can't people get this intersection right?". Two reasons, poor signage and they are not common. In 99.9% of right turns at intersections, you have to slow down and many times stop. I barely saw the green arrow, but I also saw a car going through the intersection at the same time. If I didn't know the intersection, I would have stopped as well.
The person who shot the video escalated this whole incident for video purposes and has a major road rage problem. First, he lays on the horn for a very long time, yells at the driver (whether they heard them or not), then cuts the driver off. Many people relate that behavior as road rage. Someone running up to the back of a car laying down the horn like he did probably scared the driver and they immediately stopped as they did know what was going on and then they tried to get out of the way by crossing over the line.
If I were the judge, I would give the minivan a warning and the person that shot the video at least two tickets, one for cutting off the driver and another for road rage.
There was no road rage on my behalf, the driver was unlawfully stopped there end of story. The cop even agreed with my honking in the original of that video and initially didn't want to give the ticket.
Beyond a brief tap on the horn, you don't have the right to engage in any of that behavior toward another driver who is stopped illegally. It's not a felony. You don't have the right to tailgate them, blare your horn, or cut them off. That behavior is never warranted.
I didn't do any of the former
Read this thread for the first time, and am amazed that there was only one purple-text comment, a number of personal attacks were allowed to let stand despite a moderator's participation in this discussion, and that it hasn't been locked yet.
Having said that, a simple signage solution can found in Pikeville, Ky. At the beginning of the right-turn lane, and also at the point where a merge would occur, there is this...
https://goo.gl/maps/uQQVikwsgLS9Bxnw6
In case you can't read it in the imagery, the sign says "Lane Continues Stop Not Required."
Pretty straightforward, if you ask me. I've been through that intersection many times and do not ever recall an issue with a driver stopping in the continuing added lane.
The "added lane" merge sign could also be helpful. (The W4-6. (http://www.trafficsign.us/150/warn/w4-6.png))
Quote from: Crash_It on January 05, 2021, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2021, 07:24:41 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 05, 2021, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: wtd67 on January 02, 2021, 03:48:37 AM
The subject of this thread is "Why can't people get this intersection right?". Two reasons, poor signage and they are not common. In 99.9% of right turns at intersections, you have to slow down and many times stop. I barely saw the green arrow, but I also saw a car going through the intersection at the same time. If I didn't know the intersection, I would have stopped as well.
The person who shot the video escalated this whole incident for video purposes and has a major road rage problem. First, he lays on the horn for a very long time, yells at the driver (whether they heard them or not), then cuts the driver off. Many people relate that behavior as road rage. Someone running up to the back of a car laying down the horn like he did probably scared the driver and they immediately stopped as they did know what was going on and then they tried to get out of the way by crossing over the line.
If I were the judge, I would give the minivan a warning and the person that shot the video at least two tickets, one for cutting off the driver and another for road rage.
There was no road rage on my behalf, the driver was unlawfully stopped there end of story. The cop even agreed with my honking in the original of that video and initially didn't want to give the ticket.
Beyond a brief tap on the horn, you don't have the right to engage in any of that behavior toward another driver who is stopped illegally. It's not a felony. You don't have the right to tailgate them, blare your horn, or cut them off. That behavior is never warranted.
I didn't do any of the former
Hmmm. A careful read of cabiness42's post reveals that "the former" is "a brief tap on the horn" and "the latter" is "tailgate them, blare your horn, or cut them off."
So I'm guessing for once we can all agree with something Crash_It said: He definitely did not give "a brief tap on the horn"!
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2021, 04:20:32 PM
Read this thread for the first time, and am amazed that there was only one purple-text comment, a number of personal attacks were allowed to let stand despite a moderator's participation in this discussion, and that it hasn't been locked yet.
Aren't you one of the two to complain about overmoderation?
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2021, 04:20:32 PM
Having said that, a simple signage solution can found in Pikeville, Ky. At the beginning of the right-turn lane, and also at the point where a merge would occur, there is this...
https://goo.gl/maps/uQQVikwsgLS9Bxnw6
In case you can't read it in the imagery, the sign says "Lane Continues Stop Not Required."
Pretty straightforward, if you ask me. I've been through that intersection many times and do not ever recall an issue with a driver stopping in the continuing added lane.
However, "Stop Not Required" isn't the same as "Do Not Stop" or "Keep Moving".
Downstream, where the solid line meets the skip line, there's an incorrectly posted W4-1 Merge sign where the W4-2 Lane Ends sign would be more appropriate.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 05, 2021, 04:22:37 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 05, 2021, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2021, 07:24:41 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 05, 2021, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: wtd67 on January 02, 2021, 03:48:37 AM
The subject of this thread is "Why can't people get this intersection right?". Two reasons, poor signage and they are not common. In 99.9% of right turns at intersections, you have to slow down and many times stop. I barely saw the green arrow, but I also saw a car going through the intersection at the same time. If I didn't know the intersection, I would have stopped as well.
The person who shot the video escalated this whole incident for video purposes and has a major road rage problem. First, he lays on the horn for a very long time, yells at the driver (whether they heard them or not), then cuts the driver off. Many people relate that behavior as road rage. Someone running up to the back of a car laying down the horn like he did probably scared the driver and they immediately stopped as they did know what was going on and then they tried to get out of the way by crossing over the line.
If I were the judge, I would give the minivan a warning and the person that shot the video at least two tickets, one for cutting off the driver and another for road rage.
There was no road rage on my behalf, the driver was unlawfully stopped there end of story. The cop even agreed with my honking in the original of that video and initially didn't want to give the ticket.
Beyond a brief tap on the horn, you don't have the right to engage in any of that behavior toward another driver who is stopped illegally. It's not a felony. You don't have the right to tailgate them, blare your horn, or cut them off. That behavior is never warranted.
I didn't do any of the former
Hmmm. A careful read of cabiness42's post reveals that "the former" is "a brief tap on the horn" and "the latter" is "tailgate them, blare your horn, or cut them off."
So I'm guessing for once we can all agree with something Crash_It said: He definitely did not give "a brief tap on the horn"!
I said I was not tailgating in those clips. It's something I try not to do
Quote from: Crash_It on January 06, 2021, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 05, 2021, 04:22:37 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 05, 2021, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2021, 07:24:41 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 05, 2021, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: wtd67 on January 02, 2021, 03:48:37 AM
The subject of this thread is "Why can't people get this intersection right?". Two reasons, poor signage and they are not common. In 99.9% of right turns at intersections, you have to slow down and many times stop. I barely saw the green arrow, but I also saw a car going through the intersection at the same time. If I didn't know the intersection, I would have stopped as well.
The person who shot the video escalated this whole incident for video purposes and has a major road rage problem. First, he lays on the horn for a very long time, yells at the driver (whether they heard them or not), then cuts the driver off. Many people relate that behavior as road rage. Someone running up to the back of a car laying down the horn like he did probably scared the driver and they immediately stopped as they did know what was going on and then they tried to get out of the way by crossing over the line.
If I were the judge, I would give the minivan a warning and the person that shot the video at least two tickets, one for cutting off the driver and another for road rage.
There was no road rage on my behalf, the driver was unlawfully stopped there end of story. The cop even agreed with my honking in the original of that video and initially didn't want to give the ticket.
Beyond a brief tap on the horn, you don't have the right to engage in any of that behavior toward another driver who is stopped illegally. It's not a felony. You don't have the right to tailgate them, blare your horn, or cut them off. That behavior is never warranted.
I didn't do any of the former
Hmmm. A careful read of cabiness42's post reveals that "the former" is "a brief tap on the horn" and "the latter" is "tailgate them, blare your horn, or cut them off."
So I'm guessing for once we can all agree with something Crash_It said: He definitely did not give "a brief tap on the horn"!
I said I was not tailgating in those clips. It's something I try not to do
No, that's not what you said. You said, "I didn't do any of the former." cabiness42 suggested a couple of things, as indicated in bold above. "The former" refers, grammatically, to the first bolded item–"a brief tap on the horn."
Former specifically means first of two. However, if the last three are viewed as a single item, it still works out as it would otherwise.
Quote from: 1 on January 06, 2021, 12:45:35 PM
Former specifically means first of two. However, if the last three are viewed as a single item, it still works out as it would otherwise.
That is exactly how I construed cabiness42's post, given the use of the disjunctive "or" in the second grouping. Think of it like in grade-school math class where three numbers were grouped within parentheses.