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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #375 on: April 30, 2021, 06:48:15 PM »

Update on the proposed third span:

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DELMARVA – The Bay bridge is getting a possible third location, and some residents and Broadneck council members aren’t happy about it.
Maryland transportation officials recommended building a new Chesapeake Bay bridge at the site of the existing two spans that cross between Annapolis and Kent Island. Broadneck council members tells 47 ABC, the overall concern is that once the location is selected, no other locations will be considered.

Read more here: https://www.wmdt.com/2021/04/chesapeake-bay-bridge-may-get-a-third-location/


"Broadneck council members tells 47 ABC, the overall concern is that once the location is selected, no other locations will be considered."

Well, yeah, that's how it generally works. What sense would it be to consider a bunch of locations, select a location, and then consider all the locations again?
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #376 on: April 30, 2021, 07:16:06 PM »

Update on the proposed third span:

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DELMARVA – The Bay bridge is getting a possible third location, and some residents and Broadneck council members aren’t happy about it.
Maryland transportation officials recommended building a new Chesapeake Bay bridge at the site of the existing two spans that cross between Annapolis and Kent Island. Broadneck council members tells 47 ABC, the overall concern is that once the location is selected, no other locations will be considered.

Read more here: https://www.wmdt.com/2021/04/chesapeake-bay-bridge-may-get-a-third-location/


"Broadneck council members tells 47 ABC, the overall concern is that once the location is selected, no other locations will be considered."

Well, yeah, that's how it generally works. What sense would it be to consider a bunch of locations, select a location, and then consider all the locations again?

These tend to be the same voices who complain about the excessive traffic on local roads such as MD 179 & College Parkway trying to jump the queue at exit 32 during peak travel times, which is further exacerbated on days like today when MDTA can't open the reversed lane due to weather (nasty wind, in this case).  They do realize that the added capacity of a 3rd span would go a long way towards alleviating this problem, right?
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #377 on: May 12, 2021, 06:54:03 AM »

WTOP Radio: Anne Arundel Co. reacts to possibility of 2nd Chesapeake Bay Crossing in Md.

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Following the release of an environmental impact statement that appears to lean toward another span in Maryland to alleviate traffic over the old Chesapeake Bay Bridge, the Anne Arundel County Executive isn’t thrilled with the conclusions.

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The Chesapeake Bay Crossing Study is currently in Tier 1 of its review of whether or not to construct commuting alternatives to supplement the existing bridge.

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The study published its Draft Environmental Impact Statement, or DEIS, which explored four possible options and listed some of the reasons why the so-called “Corridor 7” alternative, which includes a new span, has its advantages.

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Corridor 7, which would put a new span right next to the existing Bay Bridge running through Annapolis at Sandy Point State Park, is recommended by the Maryland Transportation Authority.

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The choices also included not building anything new at all.

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In a five-page written response, Anne Arundel County Executive Steuart Pittman’s office thinks the DEIS failed when it came to producing accurate traffic assumptions, purpose and need, sufficient environmental impact of a Corridor 7 project. Pittman’s office said researchers did not dig deep enough into a no-build option.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #378 on: May 12, 2021, 02:14:48 PM »

Nothing but NIMBY. Any new span would significantly relieve congestion and is needed yesterday.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #379 on: July 07, 2021, 10:46:05 AM »

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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #380 on: July 07, 2021, 04:17:56 PM »

Was down in OC about a month ago, and noticed there was a lot of foundations (not sure of the proper term) for a bunch of overhead gantries (especially on the Kent Island side). 
At least one of the signal gantries on the WB span was replaced with a new monotube structure.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #381 on: December 23, 2021, 08:58:40 AM »

View of some of the newly installed arrow gates on the left side of the eastern (Kent Island) approach. Taken earlier this week.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #382 on: December 23, 2021, 05:45:11 PM »

I actually just saw a few of those on StreetView earlier today (they have some fairly recent images dated for 11/21).   With the GSV you can kind of make out what it's gonna be like when they are done on both sides of the bridge.  And some of the median foundations on the highway EB approaching the bridge from a few miles out - a lot of them are "tagged" as either "OH-[number]" or "G-[number]" (and I believe the numbers ascended/descended oppositely depending on if they were "G" or "OH".  It had me curious as to what that indicates.
They also seem to be starting to erect the gantries on either approaching roadway  (I saw the foundations for them in the median and on the sides in person last summer on the way to/from the beach).

During my trips to the beach last summer, some of the overhead lane control gantries on the 3-lane span were replaced with monotube structures.   The GSV showed a few more have been since then, though not in any real systemic fashion.   I wonder if this whole project will have them all replaced on both spans, or if they're just replacing ones that are maybe deteriorating to the point of needing replaced on just an as-needed basis.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #383 on: December 23, 2021, 07:52:44 PM »

I actually just saw a few of those on StreetView earlier today (they have some fairly recent images dated for 11/21).   With the GSV you can kind of make out what it's gonna be like when they are done on both sides of the bridge.  And some of the median foundations on the highway EB approaching the bridge from a few miles out - a lot of them are "tagged" as either "OH-[number]" or "G-[number]" (and I believe the numbers ascended/descended oppositely depending on if they were "G" or "OH".  It had me curious as to what that indicates.
They also seem to be starting to erect the gantries on either approaching roadway  (I saw the foundations for them in the median and on the sides in person last summer on the way to/from the beach).

During my trips to the beach last summer, some of the overhead lane control gantries on the 3-lane span were replaced with monotube structures.   The GSV showed a few more have been since then, though not in any real systemic fashion.   I wonder if this whole project will have them all replaced on both spans, or if they're just replacing ones that are maybe deteriorating to the point of needing replaced on just an as-needed basis.


G is almost certainly "gate" given where I see G-7 in GMSV.

OH is likely "Overhead" for a sign bridge of some sort...
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #384 on: April 21, 2022, 02:01:37 PM »

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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #385 on: April 21, 2022, 03:28:57 PM »

So now I'm thinking they're going to make the crossing 3-2-3? It would make the most sense given there would be no additional crossings north or south (until CBBT) of here.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #386 on: April 21, 2022, 11:04:45 PM »

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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #387 on: May 06, 2022, 12:55:56 PM »

So now I'm thinking they're going to make the crossing 3-2-3? It would make the most sense given there would be no additional crossings north or south (until CBBT) of here.

Not a direct answer to your question, but following the approval of the Tier 1 FEIS I came across this article noting a push from various MD counties to instead completely replace the 2 existing spans with an 8-lane span.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2022/04/29/local-leaders-urge-mdta-to-replace-bay-bridge-with-new-8-lane-span/

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Over the course of the last few months, however, officials from 12 of Maryland’s 23 counties have quietly embraced a new concept for easing congestion at the Bay Bridge: a new span, with eight or more lanes, to replace the existing spans.

The 12 counties, along with summer destination Ocean City, have passed resolutions or sent letters of support for the concept. Some jurisdictions have directed their letters to Hogan (R) and/or transportation secretary James F. Ports Jr. Others have sent letters of support directly to the Queen Anne’s County Commission, where the idea appears to have originated.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #388 on: May 06, 2022, 05:56:22 PM »

If lower upkeep costs in the future make up for the higher upfront construction price of an 8-lane span, its an option worth considering. Don't be surprised if anything new they build (in any alternative) is a cable stay structure..
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