Arrow-Per-Lane (APL) signs

[Pink Jazz]

Don't recall seeing them in Puerto Rico, someone correct me if I am wrong.

[Great Lakes Roads]

OH  Y

Note that they are pretty rare in Ohio (there's a few each in Youngstown and Toledo, and one in Columbus that I can think of). Otherwise, it might as well have been a no. All of them are in Clearview, and ODOT stopped using Clearview at around 2017 or so, which could mean that they also stopped installing APLs, also considering that this new ugly and confusing way of signing option lanes is getting more common.

I believe that the Ohio Turnpike will be getting a bunch more APL signs put up at where the new toll plazas are going (MP 4, MP 49, MP 211, and MP 239)...

[plain]

Oklahoma is definitely "yes but not consistently"–our first stippled-arrow diagrammatics appeared after the first APL, and I know of two instances where the split arrow on an APL is actually a tiny stippled-arrow diagrammatic!

I want to see them!!!!

Here's one. Even has the incorrect # of lanes lol

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vKojeAVQTyiLmJLYA

[tolbs17]

Oklahoma is definitely "yes but not consistently"–our first stippled-arrow diagrammatics appeared after the first APL, and I know of two instances where the split arrow on an APL is actually a tiny stippled-arrow diagrammatic!

I want to see them!!!!

Here's one. Even has the incorrect # of lanes lol

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vKojeAVQTyiLmJLYA

I miss seeing the diagrammatic signs...

[ran4sh]

Oklahoma is definitely "yes but not consistently"–our first stippled-arrow diagrammatics appeared after the first APL, and I know of two instances where the split arrow on an APL is actually a tiny stippled-arrow diagrammatic!

I want to see them!!!!

Here's one. Even has the incorrect # of lanes lol

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vKojeAVQTyiLmJLYA

I miss seeing the diagrammatic signs...

I don't. Not if the point was to depict lane assignments (the depiction of lanes on diagrammatics is too small to easily determine where each lane goes), which is what most diagrammatics were for. A more appropriate usage would be to depict multiple movements whose advance guide signage would otherwise overlap, or in similarly complex situations.

[webny99]

Oklahoma is definitely "yes but not consistently"–our first stippled-arrow diagrammatics appeared after the first APL, and I know of two instances where the split arrow on an APL is actually a tiny stippled-arrow diagrammatic!

I want to see them!!!!

Here's one. Even has the incorrect # of lanes lol

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vKojeAVQTyiLmJLYA

I think that actually is the correct number of arrows, they're just spaced way too tightly. There's 3 arrows over the center and left center lanes; one of them should be over the far left lane.

[jeffandnicole]

Oklahoma is definitely "yes but not consistently"–our first stippled-arrow diagrammatics appeared after the first APL, and I know of two instances where the split arrow on an APL is actually a tiny stippled-arrow diagrammatic!

I want to see them!!!!

Here's one. Even has the incorrect # of lanes lol

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vKojeAVQTyiLmJLYA

I think that actually is the correct number of arrows, they're just spaced way too tightly. There's 3 arrows over the center and left center lanes; one of them should be over the far left lane.

And the splitting arrow doesn't need the skip lines shown within the arrows!

[7/8]

Oklahoma is definitely "yes but not consistently"–our first stippled-arrow diagrammatics appeared after the first APL, and I know of two instances where the split arrow on an APL is actually a tiny stippled-arrow diagrammatic!

I want to see them!!!!

Here's one. Even has the incorrect # of lanes lol

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vKojeAVQTyiLmJLYA

I think that actually is the correct number of arrows, they're just spaced way too tightly. There's 3 arrows over the center and left center lanes; one of them should be over the far left lane.

The number of arrows is correct, but the diagrammatic arrow is wrong. The diagrammatic is missing the far left lane.

[webny99]

Here's one. Even has the incorrect # of lanes lol

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vKojeAVQTyiLmJLYA

I think that actually is the correct number of arrows, they're just spaced way too tightly. There's 3 arrows over the center and left center lanes; one of them should be over the far left lane.

And the splitting arrow doesn't need the skip lines shown within the arrows!

Haha, I missed that! 

The number of arrows is correct, but the diagrammatic arrow is wrong. The diagrammatic is missing the far left lane.

Now I see what you're talking about, but I'll bet most drivers don't even notice it's a diagrammatic, much less that it has the wrong number of lanes!

[7/8]

The number of arrows is correct, but the diagrammatic arrow is wrong. The diagrammatic is missing the far left lane.

Now I see what you're talking about, but I'll bet most drivers don't even notice it's a diagrammatic, much less that it has the wrong number of lanes!

Yeah it's pretty hilarious. It'd be small to read while driving!

[tolbs17]

I think APL signs would work here. I don't know if this is the right thread for this but whatever...

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8978999,-78.8667071,3a,29.5y,304.79h,91.99t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0FjjIFtH9xZQFMzm-K2K2A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D0FjjIFtH9xZQFMzm-K2K2A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D261.2129%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0167519,-78.8642345,3a,35.1y,244.83h,90.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGiJfQQNGEt8XkD6PPFEdoA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Over here, The arrows should be pointing upwards east.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1584648,-77.3518405,3a,45.3y,29.56h,89.75t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJPWHk0MDC449ykp8QT0ihw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJPWHk0MDC449ykp8QT0ihw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D334.2824%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

[SkyPesos]

Over here, The arrows should be pointing upwards east.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1584648,-77.3518405,3a,45.3y,29.56h,89.75t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJPWHk0MDC449ykp8QT0ihw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJPWHk0MDC449ykp8QT0ihw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D334.2824%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Lots of older signs still have downward pointing arrows at the exit gore. Ohio have a ton of examples, to start off.

[wanderer2575]

I think APL signs would work here. I don't know if this is the right thread for this but whatever...

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8978999,-78.8667071,3a,29.5y,304.79h,91.99t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0FjjIFtH9xZQFMzm-K2K2A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D0FjjIFtH9xZQFMzm-K2K2A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D261.2129%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0167519,-78.8642345,3a,35.1y,244.83h,90.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGiJfQQNGEt8XkD6PPFEdoA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Yes for the first one, but it's an older sign from before APLs were adopted.  States don't rush out and immediately replace all their signage when there's a change in the MUTCD.

No for the second one because it's at the gore point where the option lane has already split off.  Install a new gantry several hundred feet upstream before the split, and an APL would be appropriate there.

[Great Lakes Roads]

Idaho got its first set of APL signs at the recently-reconstructed I-84 interchange with I-86 heading EB.

1 mile: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5684206,-113.5445617,3a,75y,83.79h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s60pJWT4wEN0gt7WAG6gVPg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

near the split: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5687575,-113.5341726,3a,15y,82.21h,97.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNW2UZ4iIFPRs363m3GnjmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

at the split: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5691838,-113.5285837,3a,75y,82.21h,97.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9mFPs8weZkhLk5diMWiTRw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[roadfro]

Idaho got its first set of APL signs at the recently-reconstructed I-84 interchange with I-86 heading EB.

1 mile: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5684206,-113.5445617,3a,75y,83.79h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s60pJWT4wEN0gt7WAG6gVPg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

near the split: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5687575,-113.5341726,3a,15y,82.21h,97.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNW2UZ4iIFPRs363m3GnjmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

at the split: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5691838,-113.5285837,3a,75y,82.21h,97.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9mFPs8weZkhLk5diMWiTRw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

"At the split" in this case is a few hundred feet upstream from where the signs should actually be posted. That sign gantry should have been placed right in front of that new flyover.

[Scott5114]

Oklahoma is definitely "yes but not consistently"–our first stippled-arrow diagrammatics appeared after the first APL, and I know of two instances where the split arrow on an APL is actually a tiny stippled-arrow diagrammatic!

I want to see them!!!!

Here's one. Even has the incorrect # of lanes lol

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vKojeAVQTyiLmJLYA

I miss seeing the diagrammatic signs...

Go to Kansas. Still plenty of them there.

[SignBridge]

I think APL signs would work here. I don't know if this is the right thread for this but whatever...

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8978999,-78.8667071,3a,29.5y,304.79h,91.99t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0FjjIFtH9xZQFMzm-K2K2A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D0FjjIFtH9xZQFMzm-K2K2A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D261.2129%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0167519,-78.8642345,3a,35.1y,244.83h,90.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGiJfQQNGEt8XkD6PPFEdoA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Over here, The arrows should be pointing upwards east.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1584648,-77.3518405,3a,45.3y,29.56h,89.75t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJPWHk0MDC449ykp8QT0ihw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJPWHk0MDC449ykp8QT0ihw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D334.2824%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

The first one is not signed correctly as per the current Manual. The display doesn't even acknowledge that there is an option lane.

The second one is correctly signed for an intermediate-level interchange. Pavement markings showing the lane use and the overhead gore sign does have up-tilted arrows over both exiting lanes.

The third one could use some improvement. Agreed the arrows should be up-tilted.

[Lukeisroads]

AHEM lets come back to bakersfield

remeber this intersection yep it has APL signs now
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3434522,-119.0395139,3a,19.7y,8.77h,93.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWJSybu0zf94xwt4465rYWQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DWJSybu0zf94xwt4465rYWQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D71.850624%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192


https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3434522,-119.0395139,3a,19.7y,8.77h,93.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWJSybu0zf94xwt4465rYWQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DWJSybu0zf94xwt4465rYWQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D71.850624%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Note the 5th lane are taped due to construction

[ran4sh]

Interesting that CA has APLs before external exit tabs.

[CoreySamson]

Here's what I have for a map so far. I included two levels of APL prevalence to account for states like Maryland (with only one or a few known examples) and Ohio (where APL's exist, but are not yet common statewide). I marked everything that was a Yes on J N Winkler's original list as green; only changing to yellow those for which someone had provided additional insight, so there's a lot of states marked green that may need to switch to yellow (and possibly vice versa).

I would agree that Texas needs to be switched to yellow. You'll find some wacky examples here and there, but in general, Texas does not use them. Most new freeway signage looks somewhat like this.

[roadfro]

I would agree that Texas needs to be switched to yellow. You'll find some wacky examples here and there, but in general, Texas does not use them. Most new freeway signage looks somewhat like this.

That second example doesn't appear to have option lanes, so an APL wouldn't be warranted anyway...

[webny99]

Idaho got its first set of APL signs at the recently-reconstructed I-84 interchange with I-86 heading EB.

1 mile: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5684206,-113.5445617,3a,75y,83.79h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s60pJWT4wEN0gt7WAG6gVPg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

near the split: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5687575,-113.5341726,3a,15y,82.21h,97.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNW2UZ4iIFPRs363m3GnjmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
...

Interesting. A lane gets added as the APL series progresses. You don't see that too much, but I-490 WB at NY/I-390 is similar: first two lanes, then three after the exit only lane comes in.

[webny99]

Here's an updated map with status changes for ID, TX, KS, and DC. I also demoted PA, as they aren't consistent with their use of APL's.
We're down to 6 states with no known APL's.

[paulthemapguy]

Are we sure about Illinois?  I've seen them used commonly on new Illinois Tollways (ISTHA), but I don't think I've seen any on IDOT freeways.

[jeffandnicole]

I question NJ with 'sometimes'.  They usually will use them when signage is reconstructed, but when replacing signage in-kind it's a bit more hit or miss.  So they actively use them...but they won't replace good signage just to put up an APL.

Another example...  https://goo.gl/maps/ChgKKgSXQuaeLTX69