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Right Idea, Wrong Sign

Started by vtk, April 01, 2015, 12:16:16 AM

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jeffandnicole

Quote from: roadman on January 10, 2020, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 09, 2020, 09:10:30 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 09, 2020, 04:34:58 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 09, 2020, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 09, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2020, 11:16:46 AM
meh.  Some white paint on the road would work better.

Until the early 1980s, it was common practice in Massachusetts to put a separate sign reading STOP LINE at the actual stop line, where one was marked on the pavement.

At all stop lines (stop-control, signals)?

Generally used only at signalized intersections, but occasionally used at stop-controlled locations where the Stop sign and the Stop line were offset from each other as well.

Gotcha. I was thinking that using them at all intersections, stop and signal controlled, would have been overkill. Still overkill to use them at every intersection IMO (then again, the practice died off, so I must not have been alone in thinking that).

MassDPW discontinued use of Stop Line signs in the late 1980s, although the MDC continued to use them into the DCR era.  I encounter a straggler out there every so often, but I haven't seen a new install in some time.

And quite often they're usually so far back from the intersection that they're meaningless anyway.  When they're in the proper spot, you usually see a supplemental "Stop Here On Red" to show that it's actually in the appropriate place.


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jakeroot

Quote from: deathtopumpkins on March 24, 2020, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on March 23, 2020, 08:47:21 PM
Here are some weird signs for the message: left turn yield to oncoming traffic:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4166844,-71.157...384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5973587,-71.435...384!8i8192

Those are both the exact same broken link, FYI

Here's the original quote...looks like his phone screwed up the links:

Quote from: Amtrakprod on March 23, 2020, 04:29:42 PM
I started a new topic where you post a google maps link or photo of a sign with the right words for the message but said in a non-compliant or strange way. Here are some examples for the left turn yield to oncoming traffic sign:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4166844,-71.1579648,3a,16.6y,184.72h,90.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYBRg2wq9m_R2gzxdyjTqiw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5973587,-71.4351066,3a,20.7y,14.64h,85.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shGhNN1-mMGkbCh8jqQRxpA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Amtrakprod

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cjk374

Quote from: kphoger on January 03, 2020, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 03, 2020, 09:23:13 PM

Quote from: bcroadguy on January 03, 2020, 04:16:07 AM
I think this is a pretty good example of right idea, wrong sign

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.443862,-123.5266725,3a,25.2y,264.24h,87.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-MOvRIXpyU6KqyHIELrEjw!2e0!5s20180501T000000!7i13312!8i6656
What sign would you rather have there? "Keep Right" Black/White Sign?

I guess that yellow sign implies a Divided Highway

kphoger's examples look like "Traffic Circle" signs would be more appropriate, or Right Turn Only

Should be R4-7 instead.  A yellow diamond is a warning sign telling you about an upcoming hazard.


LADOTD is bad about doing this. Many examples of this can still be seen up and down US 167 north of Alexandria where the road was widened/divided under the TIMED program. US 167 was finished and signed around 2011, and many medians are still signed this way today:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.480348,-92.6425763,3a,75y,233.68h,93.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smdwjyBR8WWmH9Fh9i58-sw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DmdwjyBR8WWmH9Fh9i58-sw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D299.21655%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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CoreySamson

FM 2004 in Lake Jackson:

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0584586,-95.4561804,3a,86.2y,220.7h,71.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGqTlQydyCpKZVXI46adZwQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Here, they wanted to indicate that the left lane merges into the right lane, but it ended up conveying the opposite message of what's actually happening.

The signs were recently flipped and moved to the other side of the road.
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JKRhodes

Quote from: CoreySamson on April 05, 2020, 07:44:34 PM
FM 2004 in Lake Jackson:

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0584586,-95.4561804,3a,86.2y,220.7h,71.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGqTlQydyCpKZVXI46adZwQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Here, they wanted to indicate that the left lane merges into the right lane, but it ended up conveying the opposite message of what's actually happening.

The signs were recently flipped and moved to the other side of the road.


I see stuff like that occasionally on Phoenix area freeway onramps: a "Left (or right) lane ends" sign is posted, but the seams in the concrete or jogs in the striping make it obvious other lane is ending contrary to what's indicated by the sign:

https://goo.gl/maps/oXMTPNuvUEaR2iCKA

This one starts as a three lane on-ramp. The two left lanes drop off sequentially over a fairly long distance before the ramp enters thed mainline, but ADOT chose to sign it as a "left lane ends" followed by "right lane ends."

D-Dey65

Quote from: Brian556 on April 02, 2015, 11:08:32 AM
There are several intersections like this in Double Oak, Texas. This is what happens when people who don't know much about signs are allowed to install them.


Okay, seriously. Do they not know what this one is for?


Amtrakprod

  TXdot even has their own version for it!


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jakeroot

^^
Is that "W1-7[Texas]"? :-D

Amtrakprod

Quote from: jakeroot on April 28, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
^^
Is that "W1-7[Texas]"? :-D
Yep. Texas loves themself that's for sure!


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D-Dey65

Quote from: Amtrakprod on April 28, 2020, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 28, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
^^
Is that "W1-7[Texas]"? :-D
Yep. Texas loves themself that's for sure!


iPhone
Actually, I don't think that's such a bad idea. I'm sure they have their own criteria for when to use this version as opposed to the standard W1-7.

CoreySamson

#115
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 29, 2020, 09:44:42 PM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on April 28, 2020, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 28, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
^^
Is that "W1-7[Texas]"? :-D
Yep. Texas loves themself that's for sure!


iPhone
Actually, I don't think that's such a bad idea. I'm sure they have their own criteria for when to use this version as opposed to the standard W1-7.

I think they must use W1-7Ts as warning signs for three way highway intersections, and use W1-7s for local streets and county routes. That seems to me like the general rule, but I may be wrong.
Here's one of many examples of a W1-7T:

https://goo.gl/maps/i4mP4dTnsJC5HpiCA

Edit: Fixed link
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kphoger

Something about this looks a little fishy.  Is it just me?
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
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GaryA

On the two-lane portion of CA-118 eastbound, there is a black-on-white sign reading "35 ZONE AHEAD" (GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/b7aDeVhug2XQG4Xw9 )

The problem with this is that there is no speed limit of 35 MPH.  There is an S-curve coming up that has an advisory speed of 35, and which has had many accidents over the years.  You can understand the desire to get drivers' attention, but that's still the wrong sign for this situation.

roadfro

Quote from: kphoger on July 10, 2020, 04:35:49 PM
Something about this looks a little fishy.  Is it just me?

It's not just you. Those Keep Right signs are meant to go on a median nose. The correct way of doing this would have been to just make one sign: "Wide Loads Keep Right".
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Roadrunner75

Quote from: roadfro on July 12, 2020, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 10, 2020, 04:35:49 PM
Something about this looks a little fishy.  Is it just me?

It's not just you. Those Keep Right signs are meant to go on a median nose. The correct way of doing this would have been to just make one sign: "Wide Loads Keep Right".
A little bit further down that road:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.7074233,-99.7349476,3a,54.6y,45.19h,95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s31saRHvnRpF9J13tcCkfrg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Loads over 18' high??   I wouldn't expect to be able to drive down just about any road with a load over 18' and not smack into something.


CardInLex

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on July 12, 2020, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: roadfro on July 12, 2020, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 10, 2020, 04:35:49 PM
Something about this looks a little fishy.  Is it just me?

It's not just you. Those Keep Right signs are meant to go on a median nose. The correct way of doing this would have been to just make one sign: "Wide Loads Keep Right".

A little bit further down that road:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.7074233,-99.7349476,3a,54.6y,45.19h,95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s31saRHvnRpF9J13tcCkfrg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Loads over 18' high??   I wouldn't expect to be able to drive down just about any road with a load over 18' and not smack into something.

I have several questions. The main one being why are the thru lanes separated with delineators just to end a little bit down the road for no reason.

kphoger

Quote from: CardInLex on July 13, 2020, 08:35:57 PM
I have several questions. The main one being why are the thru lanes separated with delineators just to end a little bit down the road for no reason.

Signs upstream state that the separated lane is for wide loads, although I don't know why that has to be physically separated.
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Male pronouns, please.

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kphoger

Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

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Scott5114

I mean, if you turned them 45° so that they were square instead of diamond, then they'd show X's, which would get the point across.
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