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Virginia secondary routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« on: November 25, 2009, 12:32:17 AM »

moved from the Erroneous Signs thread, to focus on the topic of VA state routes in independent cities

Technically this is a double error: if SRs still existed in Virginia Beach, this would be SR 615, not VA 615. But since SR's do not exist in Virginia Beach or any other independent city not named Suffolk, there's no numbered route - primary or secondary - heading left (east) from the upcoming intersection (General Booth Blvd & Princess Anne Rd, which involves VA 149 and VA 165).

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Re: Virginia state routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2009, 01:01:05 PM »

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But since SR's do not exist in Virginia Beach or any other independent city not named Suffolk

...any other independent city, period.  Suffolk's SR's officially went bye-bye when they took over maintenance from VDOT a couple years ago.

I guess I'll have to go down to Suffolk sometime to see if there are any SR signs left, then.
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Re: Virginia state routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2009, 08:58:19 PM »

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But since SR's do not exist in Virginia Beach or any other independent city not named Suffolk

...any other independent city, period.  Suffolk's SR's officially went bye-bye when they took over maintenance from VDOT a couple years ago.

I guess I'll have to go down to Suffolk sometime to see if there are any SR signs left, then.
  As of March 21, I know some are left along US 460 west of the Suffolk Bypass and on the Suffolk Bypass at the Wilroy Rd(SR 642) interchange and probably at the Pitchkettle Rd(SR 604) interchange as well.
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Re: Virginia state routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2009, 11:43:05 PM »

SR signs are still fairly common from what I've seen. Many BGS's along I-664 even still show the shields, as do those along the Suffolk Bypass.

And Virginia (at least in Hampton Roads) uses "End Construction" signs as the standard marker for the end of a work zone.
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Re: Virginia state routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2009, 10:57:28 AM »

And Virginia (at least in Hampton Roads) uses "End Construction" signs as the standard marker for the end of a work zone.
   From what I've seen they're throughout Virginia but I still haven't been to most of the south and west portions yet.
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Re: Virginia state routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2009, 11:00:35 AM »


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But since SR's do not exist in Virginia Beach or any other independent city not named Suffolk

...any other independent city, period.  Suffolk's SR's officially went bye-bye when they took over maintenance from VDOT a couple years ago.


Can you guys elaborate on that in a new thread under the Mid-Atlantic section?

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Re: Virginia state routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2009, 12:32:54 PM »


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But since SR's do not exist in Virginia Beach or any other independent city not named Suffolk

...any other independent city, period.  Suffolk's SR's officially went bye-bye when they took over maintenance from VDOT a couple years ago.


Can you guys elaborate on that in a new thread under the Mid-Atlantic section?
  I don't mind that but did you want to move the posts on it from here to the new thread?
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Re: Virginia state routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2009, 12:43:48 PM »

that's not a bad idea.  I moved the pertinent sub-thread. 
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Re: Virginia secondary routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2009, 05:04:57 PM »


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But since SR's do not exist in Virginia Beach or any other independent city not named Suffolk

...any other independent city, period.  Suffolk's SR's officially went bye-bye when they took over maintenance from VDOT a couple years ago.


Can you guys elaborate on that in a new thread under the Mid-Atlantic section?

Did my homework this time. When Nansemond County (and the city which it became in 1972) and Suffolk merged in 1974, VDOT continued to maintain all the non-interstate routes within the city limits. VDOT relinquished those routes in 2006, and therefore there are no longer any SRs within the city limits (and I presume US and VA primary routes are also under Suffolk Public Works' jurisdiction now).

I haven't been to Suffolk in a while so I'm not sure how many routes are still signed. It's interesting to note that VDOT still uses the SR numbers in its 2008 traffic counts, though all the numbers are gone from the online transportation information map.
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Re: Virginia secondary routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2009, 02:14:45 PM »


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But since SR's do not exist in Virginia Beach or any other independent city not named Suffolk

...any other independent city, period.  Suffolk's SR's officially went bye-bye when they took over maintenance from VDOT a couple years ago.


Can you guys elaborate on that in a new thread under the Mid-Atlantic section?

Did my homework this time. When Nansemond County (and the city which it became in 1972) and Suffolk merged in 1974, VDOT continued to maintain all the non-interstate routes within the city limits. VDOT relinquished those routes in 2006, and therefore there are no longer any SRs within the city limits (and I presume US and VA primary routes are also under Suffolk Public Works' jurisdiction now).

I haven't been to Suffolk in a while so I'm not sure how many routes are still signed. It's interesting to note that VDOT still uses the SR numbers in its 2008 traffic counts, though all the numbers are gone from the online transportation information map.

So that means that Virginia 165, Virginia 168 Business, Virginia 246, Virginia 166, etc. are now just local roads. So when I look at the current Virginia state highway map (as I am doing right now), I should envision the Tidewater inset devoid of state route shields outside of perhaps Virginia 168?

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Re: Virginia secondary routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 02:41:26 PM »

No, the primary state highways still exist, they're just primarily maintained by the cities and not by VDOT. There just aren't any secondary routes anymore.
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Re: Virginia secondary routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 10:03:22 PM »

Primary routes within independent cities still exist.  But they are maintained by the city in question instead of by VDOT.  As a general rule, within independent cities VDOT only maintains the Interstates.
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Re: Virginia secondary routes in the independent city of Suffolk
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 07:58:47 AM »

Primary routes within independent cities still exist.  But they are maintained by the city in question instead of by VDOT.  As a general rule, within independent cities VDOT only maintains the Interstates.


Exactly.  I don't know the exact formula and other factors involved, but I do know that VDOT considers primary mileage within each city to determine how much Local Assistance (formerly known as "Urban") funding to give the cities.
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