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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #125 on: August 31, 2021, 02:51:44 PM »

It was probably more useful during the sequential days, when if you were told to get off at Exit 7, it would be useful to know where you got on to know whether your exit is next or far away. Now, you can just look at the mile markers.

I guess I've just never been in a situation where I needed to know how far away my exit is before even getting on.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #126 on: August 31, 2021, 03:14:14 PM »

I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.

Similar to how turnpikes used to have signs saying which interchange number you are entering from. It seems obvious enough that I think the lack of exit numbers in CA when the standards were designed, contributes to why numbering was never part of the design.

What's useful about knowing what the cross-highway's exit number is?

Not everyone navigates according to street names and route numbers only. If someone gets on a freeway and sees the interchange number on an entrance sign, that serves as an additional navigational aid especially for the return trip so that they'll know what exit to use.

Another application would be, if some business or establishment advertises as being at Exit X, a numbered freeway entrance sign would allow drivers to determine if they need to get on northbound or southbound (eastbound or westbound) to get to exit X.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #127 on: September 03, 2021, 11:18:50 AM »

I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.

Similar to how turnpikes used to have signs saying which interchange number you are entering from. It seems obvious enough that I think the lack of exit numbers in CA when the standards were designed, contributes to why numbering was never part of the design.

What's useful about knowing what the cross-highway's exit number is?

Not everyone navigates according to street names and route numbers only. If someone gets on a freeway and sees the interchange number on an entrance sign, that serves as an additional navigational aid especially for the return trip so that they'll know what exit to use.

Another application would be, if some business or establishment advertises as being at Exit X, a numbered freeway entrance sign would allow drivers to determine if they need to get on northbound or southbound (eastbound or westbound) to get to exit X.

That seems like a really edge case application, as the masses are generally not familiar enough with exit numbering in general to know to navigate in that manner. And something that would be better served on advance signage along the arterial approaching the interchange (so that one can determine proper lane movements to turn onto the freeway) rather than the freeway entrance sign (which is posted right as one is entering a freeway ramp).
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #128 on: September 03, 2021, 11:28:16 AM »

The Garden State Parkway in NJ has the word "Parkway Entrance" on their iconic entrance ramp signs.

Someone mentioned on FB, the fact in the Northeast, a freeway entrance guide would be confusing as New York refers to its freeway's as expressways, which in actual definition is not a expressway, but something used commonly over time.  Then the NY Parkways are another.  Though many parkways in New York are indeed freeways, the Taconic and Saw Mill Parkways and the Westchester segment of the Bronx River Parkway are the real expressways as they are limited access with at grade intersections. 

IMHO, I think the MUTCD should adopt this policy and have all states use them regardless of what people call them.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #129 on: September 03, 2021, 01:05:50 PM »

I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.

I don't know if Iowa still does, but they used to intermittently have little "INTERCHANGE NO. X" banners near I-80.

http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/6/u22/#sec_56
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #130 on: September 05, 2021, 01:13:20 AM »

Michigan:  In addition to the BL I-69 occurrence in Port Huron mentioned earlier, there is this one on M-50 at US-127 north of Jackson.


Not really what the OP asked, but there is this BGS on eastbound US-10 west of Farwell.  I'm not aware of any other instance of this sign in the state where a road transitions into a freeway.

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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #131 on: September 05, 2021, 10:31:58 AM »

Michigan:  In addition to the BL I-69 occurrence in Port Huron mentioned earlier, there is this one on M-50 at US-127 north of Jackson.


Not really what the OP asked, but there is this BGS on eastbound US-10 west of Farwell.  I'm not aware of any other instance of this sign in the state where a road transitions into a freeway.

US-131 does in Manton, so does US-127 in Jackson. They might not have the sign but they do the same thing that US-10 does there.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #132 on: September 05, 2021, 11:31:43 AM »

Consulting the other thread, it looks like we're at:
  • California
  • Washington
  • Nevada
  • Oregon
  • New Mexico
  • Illinois
  • West Virginia
  • Wisconsin
  • Montana
  • Michigan
  • Colorado (one example that has since been removed)

Add Utah to the list.  Haven't paid attention if they are at every on-ramp, but there are at least some.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #133 on: September 07, 2021, 09:15:12 AM »

Bringing the list onto the new page:

Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
  • Washington
  • Montana

Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
  • California (freeway/parkway)
  • Nevada

Uses custom equivalent signs:
  • New Jersey (parkway entrance)

Uses freeway entrance signs frequently but not consistently:
  • Utah (freeway/parkway)
  • Illinois (with downward arrows)
  • West Virginia
  • Minnesota

Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
  • Michigan
  • Colorado (with shields)
  • Oregon
  • New Mexico
  • New York (freeway/parkway)
  • North Carolina (with shields)
  • Texas
  • Connecticut (with shields)
  • British Columbia
  • Wisconsin

Other weird one-offs:
  • Massachusetts (BGS)
  • Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)

Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
  • Ohio
  • Florida



Added Florida based on Alex's pictures.

NJ's "Parkway Entrance" signs were already on the list.

Utah was also already on the list.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #134 on: September 07, 2021, 10:53:45 AM »

I like the KEEP RIGHT suspended overhead in that M-50 onramp.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #135 on: January 04, 2022, 02:25:22 AM »

I have found ANOTHER "Freeway Entrance" sign in Indiana! (I-69 NB onramp at S Green River Road in Evansville)

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.9383443,-87.4927013,3a,15y,189.42h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNAMUDZ6YMHO9Rue8g6OZRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #136 on: January 04, 2022, 03:51:54 AM »

I have found ANOTHER "Freeway Entrance" sign in Indiana! (I-69 NB onramp at S Green River Road in Evansville)

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.9383443,-87.4927013,3a,15y,189.42h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNAMUDZ6YMHO9Rue8g6OZRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Looks like INDOT taking a page from IDOT, using the “Freeway Entrance” sign at a Folded Diamond entrance
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #137 on: January 04, 2022, 01:09:55 PM »

Where does Texas fit in all this?  Since Texas is a very heavy frontage road state, and it took me a very long time to understand that Texas' freeways are not the norm, I am very desensitized to on-ramp signage and if it's a big deal or not because these are on every freeway you drive on in Texas:

https://goo.gl/maps/5KmvFn6xiDbSAfZL9

Always one before and one at the gore.  Albeit pointing up instead of down, but this setup seems to be gaining traction on this thread.
Echoing what ethanhopkin14 said, what exactly would you call these signs found on nearly every Texas interstate if not freeway entrance signs? I would personally group them with New Jersey as having "custom" freeway entrance signs, as this setup is commonplace throughout the state (the FREEWAY ENTRANCE sign I found earlier in the thread is basically a one-off, so perhaps add a note for that?).

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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #138 on: January 04, 2022, 01:15:30 PM »

Were some here on NC 44 (Then US-70 bypass), but since then, they were removed when the bypass was completed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.423858,-77.9799312,3a,37.6y,140.03h,93.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scaW2vT0rrVcJWiWmuNhGwA!2e0!5s20120601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #139 on: January 04, 2022, 04:23:40 PM »

Where does Texas fit in all this?  Since Texas is a very heavy frontage road state, and it took me a very long time to understand that Texas' freeways are not the norm, I am very desensitized to on-ramp signage and if it's a big deal or not because these are on every freeway you drive on in Texas:

https://goo.gl/maps/5KmvFn6xiDbSAfZL9

Always one before and one at the gore.  Albeit pointing up instead of down, but this setup seems to be gaining traction on this thread.
Echoing what ethanhopkin14 said, what exactly would you call these signs found on nearly every Texas interstate if not freeway entrance signs? I would personally group them with New Jersey as having "custom" freeway entrance signs, as this setup is commonplace throughout the state (the FREEWAY ENTRANCE sign I found earlier in the thread is basically a one-off, so perhaps add a note for that?).

Those are just standard route shield assemblies. If those count as "freeway entrance" then all states have them, otherwise they are noncompliant and substandard.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #140 on: January 09, 2022, 03:26:18 AM »

Looks like Alaska isn't on the list yet. They don't seem to use them very frequently, but Fairbanks has at least two locations with "Expressway Entrance" signs (one with a route shield, one without).
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #141 on: January 09, 2022, 01:34:54 PM »

Bringing the list onto the new page:

Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
  • Washington
  • Montana

Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
  • California (freeway/parkway)
  • Nevada

Uses custom equivalent signs:
  • New Jersey (parkway entrance)

Uses freeway entrance signs frequently but not consistently:
  • Utah (freeway/parkway)
  • Illinois (with downward arrows)
  • West Virginia
  • Minnesota

Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
  • Michigan
  • Colorado (with shields)
  • Oregon
  • New Mexico
  • New York (freeway/parkway)
  • North Carolina (with shields)
  • Texas
  • Connecticut (with shields)
  • British Columbia
  • Wisconsin

Other weird one-offs:
  • Massachusetts (BGS)
  • Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)

Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
  • Ohio
  • Florida



Added Florida based on Alex's pictures.

NJ's "Parkway Entrance" signs were already on the list.

Utah was also already on the list.
speaking of the california parkway...
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.370456,-119.0659773,3a,15y,223.75h,88.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saTSvrvNtEl-_3KZkTn3mkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #142 on: January 11, 2022, 02:55:24 AM »

speaking of the california parkway...
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.370456,-119.0659773,3a,15y,223.75h,88.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saTSvrvNtEl-_3KZkTn3mkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

And speaking of another California “parkway:”



This is part of former CA 90 that was relinquished to the City of Yorba Linda.  The city scraped the “FWY” off the button copy, removed the “Freeway Entrance” signs from the signpost assemblies and cut the post down for good measure.
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #143 on: January 12, 2022, 03:30:17 PM »

Okay, so adding Alaska to the list. I've left Indiana where it is though because that's yet another weird one-off example.

Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
  • Washington
  • Montana

Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
  • California (freeway/parkway)
  • Nevada

Uses custom equivalent signs:
  • New Jersey (parkway entrance)

Uses freeway entrance signs frequently but not consistently:
  • Utah (freeway/parkway)
  • Illinois (with downward arrows)
  • West Virginia
  • Minnesota

Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
  • Michigan
  • Colorado (with shields)
  • Oregon
  • New Mexico
  • New York (freeway/parkway)
  • North Carolina (with shields)
  • Texas
  • Connecticut (with shields)
  • British Columbia
  • Wisconsin
  • Alaska (expressway)

Other weird one-offs:
  • Massachusetts (BGS)
  • Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)

Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
  • Ohio
  • Florida
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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #144 on: January 12, 2022, 06:18:06 PM »

And speaking of another California “parkway:”



This is part of former CA 90 that was relinquished to the City of Yorba Linda.  The city scraped the “FWY” off the button copy, removed the “Freeway Entrance” signs from the signpost assemblies and cut the post down for good measure.

That's interesting. As a Californian (and therefore used to seeing the Freeway Entrance signs) if I saw the route shield and arrow sign and that onramp I would still assume it's a freeway, regardless of the word "freeway" being removed. Since it's no longer officially a state highway, if their goal is to de-emphasize that it's a freeway I would have removed all the current signage and replaced it with "Imperial Highway" blades suspended from the traffic lights.
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« Reply #146 on: February 14, 2022, 02:48:54 PM »

Intresting

From the same general area:

https://flic.kr/p/2jsNX4Q

I’m not sure why the shields lack “property of the State of California” and have the weirdly thick vinyl numerals.
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Intresting

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Re: "Freeway Entrance" signage
« Reply #148 on: February 15, 2022, 10:41:31 AM »

Because the D8 sign shop makes crappy signage, that's why.

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« Reply #149 on: February 15, 2022, 10:57:37 AM »

I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.

I don't know if Iowa still does, but they used to intermittently have little "INTERCHANGE NO. X" banners near I-80.

http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/6/u22/#sec_56

I would like that. I would also like having an "exit" number for rest areas.
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