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I-69 Ohio River Bridge

Started by truejd, August 05, 2010, 10:32:59 AM

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abqtraveler

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 18, 2022, 08:05:16 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2022, 10:49:54 PM
I know this is fictional, but being it's part of an existing project I will suggest this.  US 60 once the first section is completed, should be aligned on I-69 when Section one completed.  The whole completed freeway should become also US 60.  Just designate KY 425 as US 60 and co sign it with I-69 between the KY 425 trumpet to the new I-69 and US 60 interchange.  Just have the current US 60 through the city become US 60 Business.

That would help with the signing of the Section One part, as it can't be signed as I-69 until the bridge gets done in 2027.  Just sign that as US 60 solo until they get Section 2 done.  I'm sure AASHTO would approve this.

there's nothing saying they can't sign it as 69 until the bridge is done. it would terminate at an arterial, so it's good to sign as 69.
Rules on interstate highway signing require that one end be connected to another interstate route, but the other end may terminate at a non-interstate route, as long as that route is on the National Highway System, which US-60 is. So there would be no problem signing I-69 up to US-60 and having it end there until the bridge is built.  On the Indiana side however, they will have the northern approach built before the bridge is completed. But since there will be no interchanges between its connection to the existing I-69 and the bridge, the northern approach will not be opened to traffic until the bridge is completed.
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roadman65

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 18, 2022, 08:05:16 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2022, 10:49:54 PM
I know this is fictional, but being it's part of an existing project I will suggest this.  US 60 once the first section is completed, should be aligned on I-69 when Section one completed.  The whole completed freeway should become also US 60.  Just designate KY 425 as US 60 and co sign it with I-69 between the KY 425 trumpet to the new I-69 and US 60 interchange.  Just have the current US 60 through the city become US 60 Business.

That would help with the signing of the Section One part, as it can't be signed as I-69 until the bridge gets done in 2027.  Just sign that as US 60 solo until they get Section 2 done.  I'm sure AASHTO would approve this.

there's nothing saying they can't sign it as 69 until the bridge is done. it would terminate at an arterial, so it's good to sign as 69.


Not referring to the fact it can't be signed, but that in practice many states choose not to sign an incomplete interstate where it temporarily ends at another route that don't serve the through route connecting to a later segment of the route.

For example, NJ waited until the segment of I-78 was completed between Exits 41-48 before WB shields were place on all ramps and parts of the freeway east of Exit 48. This was due to the fact I-78 was well known west of Watchung, NJ to the Lehigh Valley Region, that they didn't want confusion of people thinking the trek between the exits that were incomplete could be circumvented once you reached the completed segment end. I-78 WB defaulted into NJ 24 West which has no connections to other roads reaching the freeway west of Exit 41.

Here you sign it to US 60, the motorists will have to dogleg back to US 41 via US 60 West, which the interchange is  just north of where the I-69 and US 41 split will occur.   So there it's best to just wait to officially sign ( remember the route number in legislation still confirms Section one as I-69) the route until the other two sections are complete. 

Another issue is WB on US 60 doesn't acknowledge I-69 north in Indiana as the guide at US 41 states US 41 south is TO I-69. No mention that I-69 also goes north from US 41 at Evansville at that junction at all.  So one will be looped back to where they came from if they use I-69 to the end at US 60.

It's nothing to do with whether an interstate can end at another non interstate road, but the fact where the end is in relationship to another principal through route going the same way. The interchange where I-69 and US 41 will part ways is very near to the US 41 and US 60 cloverleaf. Much closer  than the two exchanges will be on US 60 between both US 41 and I-69 when completed Section One is finished.
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royo6022

Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2022, 10:57:29 PM
Also to note is this rendering of the planned KY 351 Dumbbell Interchange.  Whoever rendered it, has some of the semis use the roundabouts very reckless.  One almost lost complete control circumventing it.
https://youtu.be/tFoDG06s7FY

Watch the second bus that pulls into the lot on the left... looks like a bumpy ride for the kids!!
2d Interstates traveled: 4, 10, 15, 39, 40, 44, 57, 64, 65, 66, 68, 69, 70, 71, 74, 75, 76, 78, 79, 80, 81, 88, 90, 94, 95

GreenLanternCorps

Quote from: royo6022 on August 18, 2022, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2022, 10:57:29 PM
Also to note is this rendering of the planned KY 351 Dumbbell Interchange.  Whoever rendered it, has some of the semis use the roundabouts very reckless.  One almost lost complete control circumventing it.
https://youtu.be/tFoDG06s7FY

Watch the second bus that pulls into the lot on the left... looks like a bumpy ride for the kids!!

Terror at 5 1/2 feet...


Rick Powell

Maybe this is the "everyone is texting while driving" visualization.

royo6022

Quote from: Rick Powell on August 19, 2022, 11:41:08 AM
Maybe this is the "everyone is texting while driving" visualization.

For Henderson, I would not be surprised in the slightest.
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edwaleni

Quote from: royo6022 on August 19, 2022, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on August 19, 2022, 11:41:08 AM
Maybe this is the "everyone is texting while driving" visualization.

For Henderson, I would not be surprised in the slightest.

The Henderson sign looked like a tombstone, especially with all the daisies around it. I thought I was driving into a cemetery.

royo6022

Quote from: edwaleni on August 20, 2022, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: royo6022 on August 19, 2022, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on August 19, 2022, 11:41:08 AM
Maybe this is the "everyone is texting while driving" visualization.

For Henderson, I would not be surprised in the slightest.

The Henderson sign looked like a tombstone, especially with all the daisies around it. I thought I was driving into a cemetery.

I kind of thought the same thing. Their rendering went a little overboard with the landscaping.
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mvak36

https://i69ohiorivercrossing.com/news/bi-state-agreement-paves-way-for-new-ohio-river-bridge/

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Advances engineering services and financial planning for I-69 Ohio River Crossing

A bi-state agreement between Kentucky and Indiana means the I-69 Ohio River Crossing (ORX) that will connect Henderson, Kentucky and Evansville, Indiana is a step closer to reality. The states have signed an initial Memorandum of Agreement to allow preliminary development and financial planning to move forward for ORX Section 2, the new river crossing.

"Completing this important interstate connection has been a top priority for my administration,"  said Gov. Andy Beshear. "This agreement is a critical first step that will move us closer to construction. Bridging communities brings states together, and it opens the door to new economic opportunities. That's why it's so gratifying to see momentum on another Ohio River crossing in our state. Two transformational projects are moving forward with the Brent Spence companion bridge in northern Kentucky and now ORX in western Kentucky."

ORX Section 2 Initial Phase

This initial phase of the project will focus on preliminary engineering services, cost estimates, right-of-way plans, traffic and revenue forecasting, and other services to support a future Bi-State Development Agreement for ORX Section 2, a key next step for the project.

"The Crossroads of America is more than a motto for Indiana. It's a mission,"  said Gov. Eric J. Holcomb. "That's why it's so important to see this generational project progressing forward. Our goal is to improve connectivity for all Hoosiers, and we know strong infrastructure puts us in an even stronger position for economic development and continued successes. Connecting our states will improve the region and make a difference for Hoosiers for decades to come."

The preliminary engineering services include pursuing grant opportunities and other financial planning to identify opportunities to accelerate the project timeline.

A request for proposal (RFP) for engineering services to support the initial phase of the project was posted March 14. Responses are due April 5 with a consultant expected to be selected by the end of April. Work is anticipated to begin this summer.

Both KYTC and INDOT will have representatives on the bi-state management team. KYTC will administer the contract and the states will evenly divide costs for the project. Those costs are expected to be around $3 million.

ORX: Delivering a Mega-Project

I-69 ORX is divided into three sections for project delivery. Construction on ORX Section 1, the Kentucky approach, started in summer 2022 and is expected to be complete by the end of 2025. It's being led by the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC).

ORX Section 2 is a bi-state project that includes the new river crossing. Construction is currently scheduled to begin in 2027 and be complete in 2031. Opportunities will be explored to accelerate the project.

ORX Section 3, the Indiana approach, is expected to let this fall with construction expected to begin in early 2024. Work is expected to be complete in 2026. It's being led by the Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT).

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The Ghostbuster

If the Interstate 69 Ohio River Bridge were given a name, what would any of you want it to be called?

hbelkins

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
If the Interstate 69 Ohio River Bridge were given a name, what would any of you want it to be called?

John J. Audubon Bridge. Lord knows there's enough stuff named after Wendell Ford and William Natcher in that part of Kentucky.


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Thegeet

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
If the Interstate 69 Ohio River Bridge were given a name, what would any of you want it to be called?
The I-69 Bridge. Just to keep it simple and easy. Hehe.

Bill C.

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
If the Interstate 69 Ohio River Bridge were given a name, what would any of you want it to be called?

I'd like to see it named for historical television personality Marcia Yockey.

The Marcia Yockey Memorial Bridge has a nice ring to it even if it doesn't go into her home town of Newburgh.

Marcia was a unique individual who deeply loved Evansville and its surroundings. People in that part of Kentucky loved her as well. I cannot think of anyone more deserving of the honor.

bmeiser

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
If the Interstate 69 Ohio River Bridge were given a name, what would any of you want it to be called?
Bridgy McBridge Face

Pixel 7


ITB


INDOT recently hosted an Industry Forum for the I-69 ORX project Section 3. A PowerPoint presentation was used to present an overview of the entire ORX project with a focus on Section 3.

For those interested, here's that presentation. It's 43 pages in total. Lots of good stuff.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
If the Interstate 69 Ohio River Bridge were given a name, what would any of you want it to be called?

French Lick Bridge
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

seicer

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
If the Interstate 69 Ohio River Bridge were given a name, what would any of you want it to be called?

"69"


silverback1065

I wouldn't be surprised if INDOT gave away US 41 between veterans and i-64.

tdindy88

I do like the interchange design for Veterans and I-69, much better than having a giant loop for eastbound Veterans to northbound I-69 that they had on earlier designs.

CtrlAltDel

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
If the Interstate 69 Ohio River Bridge were given a name, what would any of you want it to be called?

The CtrlAltDel Bridge, to satisfy my boundless ego.
Interstates clinched: 4, 57, 275 (IN-KY-OH), 465 (IN), 640 (TN), 985
State Interstates clinched: I-26 (TN), I-75 (GA), I-75 (KY), I-75 (TN), I-81 (WV), I-95 (NH)

silverback1065

Quote from: tdindy88 on May 17, 2023, 06:15:29 PM
I do like the interchange design for Veterans and I-69, much better than having a giant loop for eastbound Veterans to northbound I-69 that they had on earlier designs.

This is the best design for the area, glad they did it. not sure what they meant by access road from weinbach I didn't see that anywhere on the exhibit.



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