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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #800 on: April 21, 2016, 11:05:49 AM »

An Interstate 74, a US 74, and a NC 74 all co-existing in North Carolina? This really is the Twilight Zone!
The concurrence of I-74 and US 74 is an unfortunate result of Congressional action, not something that North Carolina sought specifically. NC 74 is simply a placeholder for future sections of I-74, not a separate highway.
What makes it worse is that it will not connect to Cincinnati, due to the lack of interest from the states in between. In a perfect world, I-73 would be I-79, and US 74 would be a I-3x route from Asheville to Wilmington, but we'll never know that now.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #801 on: April 21, 2016, 11:34:53 AM »

An Interstate 74, a US 74, and a NC 74 all co-existing in North Carolina? This really is the Twilight Zone!
The concurrence of I-74 and US 74 is an unfortunate result of Congressional action, not something that North Carolina sought specifically. NC 74 is simply a placeholder for future sections of I-74, not a separate highway.
So basically NC 74 is just a fancy unbuilt unsigned highway?   :spin:
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #802 on: April 21, 2016, 03:38:24 PM »

An Interstate 74, a US 74, and a NC 74 all co-existing in North Carolina? This really is the Twilight Zone!
The concurrence of I-74 and US 74 is an unfortunate result of Congressional action, not something that North Carolina sought specifically. NC 74 is simply a placeholder for future sections of I-74, not a separate highway.
So basically NC 74 is just a fancy unbuilt unsigned highway?   :spin:

Will be, for just a few years.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #803 on: April 21, 2016, 03:58:28 PM »

An Interstate 74, a US 74, and a NC 74 all co-existing in North Carolina? This really is the Twilight Zone!
The concurrence of I-74 and US 74 is an unfortunate result of Congressional action, not something that North Carolina sought specifically. NC 74 is simply a placeholder for future sections of I-74, not a separate highway.
So basically NC 74 is just a fancy unbuilt unsigned highway?   :spin:

Will be, for just a few years.
NCDOT has started construction on a 4 mile segment of the Winston-Salem Beltway (Future I-74) extending from US 421 (aka Business I-40) to US 158. This segment should be completed in 2019. It will be at least five years, maybe longer, before this segment will be connected to the completed portion of I-74. So for at least five years IMO this segment would be signed as NC 74.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #804 on: April 22, 2016, 12:43:42 PM »

An Interstate 74, a US 74, and a NC 74 all co-existing in North Carolina? This really is the Twilight Zone!
The concurrence of I-74 and US 74 is an unfortunate result of Congressional action, not something that North Carolina sought specifically. NC 74 is simply a placeholder for future sections of I-74, not a separate highway.
What makes it worse is that it will not connect to Cincinnati, due to the lack of interest from the states in between. In a perfect world, I-73 would be I-79, and US 74 would be a I-3x route from Asheville to Wilmington, but we'll never know that now.

Question: at night, do you lose sleep over this?
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #805 on: April 22, 2016, 01:25:37 PM »

An Interstate 74, a US 74, and a NC 74 all co-existing in North Carolina? This really is the Twilight Zone!
The concurrence of I-74 and US 74 is an unfortunate result of Congressional action, not something that North Carolina sought specifically. NC 74 is simply a placeholder for future sections of I-74, not a separate highway.
What makes it worse is that it will not connect to Cincinnati, due to the lack of interest from the states in between. In a perfect world, I-73 would be I-79, and US 74 would be a I-3x route from Asheville to Wilmington, but we'll never know that now.

Question: at night, do you lose sleep over this?
No more than over I-99 in PA! :)
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #806 on: April 22, 2016, 04:02:43 PM »

An Interstate 74, a US 74, and a NC 74 all co-existing in North Carolina? This really is the Twilight Zone!
The concurrence of I-74 and US 74 is an unfortunate result of Congressional action, not something that North Carolina sought specifically. NC 74 is simply a placeholder for future sections of I-74, not a separate highway.
What makes it worse is that it will not connect to Cincinnati, due to the lack of interest from the states in between. In a perfect world, I-73 would be I-79, and US 74 would be a I-3x route from Asheville to Wilmington, but we'll never know that now.

Question: at night, do you lose sleep over this?
No more than over I-99 in PA! :)

Well judging from your posts - you must never get any sleep then.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #807 on: April 22, 2016, 04:46:50 PM »

Interstate 74 in North Carolina is here to stay, just like Interstate 99 in Pennsylvania and New York. Maybe we should stop whining about it and just accept those facts.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #808 on: April 28, 2016, 10:26:26 AM »

Any guesses to where this photo was taken: US 64 East of Raleigh.


Personally I think somewhere near the current WakeMed campus.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #809 on: April 28, 2016, 10:53:59 AM »

Any guesses to where this photo was taken: US 64 East of Raleigh.


Personally I think somewhere near the current WakeMed campus.

Pretty sure it is here:
https://goo.gl/maps/hdZ4ZoBu4pP2

1965 Aerials support this...  current aerials show that a flock of trees has sprung up in front of the building that is visible up the hill in the NCDOT picture...
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #810 on: April 28, 2016, 11:22:05 AM »

Any guesses to where this photo was taken: US 64 East of Raleigh.


Personally I think somewhere near the current WakeMed campus.

Pretty sure it is here:
https://goo.gl/maps/hdZ4ZoBu4pP2

1965 Aerials support this...  current aerials show that a flock of trees has sprung up in front of the building that is visible up the hill in the NCDOT picture...


So yes just West of Wake Med.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #811 on: April 29, 2016, 05:13:44 PM »

NCDOT has completed the formal designation of its Preferred Alternative for the NC 540 beltway south and southeast of Raleigh. No surprise on the route, which was announced earlier this year. Next up is work on the Final Environmental Impact Statement, with construction by the NC Turnpike Authority expected sometime during the 2017-18 fiscal year. Here's the announcement:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=12458
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #812 on: April 30, 2016, 04:07:17 PM »

How long will it be before we can drive around the entire 67-mile circle?
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #813 on: April 30, 2016, 04:20:04 PM »

How long will it be before we can drive around the entire 67-mile circle?
According to the NCDOT site, the work will be done in 3 phases:
1. N.C. 55 Bypass to U.S. 401
2. U.S. 401 to I-40, and
3. I-40 to U.S. 64/264 Bypass (I-495)
Construction could start in FY 2017, but with the Final EIS still due, I think 2018 is more likely. Assuming they don't start the next phase until the prior one is complete and it takes 2-3 years to complete each section, you're probably looking at 2025 as the earliest possible completion date for the entire loop, which, by the way is 70 miles around, not 67.

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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #814 on: May 01, 2016, 01:50:05 PM »

3. I-40 to U.S. 64/264 Bypass (I-495)

When everything is completed, that interchange with I-40, US 70/Future Interstate and NC 540 is going to be crazy looking.  I wish they already had designs how that interchange will look.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #815 on: May 01, 2016, 03:54:33 PM »

Quote from: WashuOtaku
I wish they already had designs how that interchange will look.

They do. (Warning:  119mb file)
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #816 on: May 01, 2016, 06:33:52 PM »

3. I-40 to U.S. 64/264 Bypass (I-495)

When everything is completed, that interchange with I-40, US 70/Future Interstate and NC 540 is going to be crazy looking.  I wish they already had designs how that interchange will look.
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I wish they already had designs how that interchange will look.

They do. (Warning:  119mb file)

Yes, the existing trumpet will stay then you have a cloverleaf and turbine interchange right on top of it plus widening of 40 to this point to six lanes.  It's gonna be fun to watch in 10 years.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #817 on: May 01, 2016, 11:15:26 PM »

I believe the STIP has the widening of I-40 for construction starting in 2018. So that may precede the NC 540 construction. And it can't come too soon.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #818 on: May 04, 2016, 08:59:33 AM »

Now that I am living in NC,  I caught an article about the STIP update for Charlotte's MPO.  Widening 85 to 8 lanes down to the 29/74 exit by Kings Mountain and 6 lanes thereafter to the border.  But the big lock surprise: Upgrading Us 74 to interstate standards to Asheville to be redesignated I-426
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #819 on: May 04, 2016, 09:23:50 AM »

Now that I am living in NC,  I caught an article about the STIP update for Charlotte's MPO.  Widening 85 to 8 lanes down to the 29/74 exit by Kings Mountain and 6 lanes thereafter to the border.  But the big lock surprise: Upgrading Us 74 to interstate standards to Asheville to be redesignated I-426

Do you have a link to the article, by chance? I tried looking for it, but couldn't find anything.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #820 on: May 04, 2016, 09:54:07 AM »

You may not have found anything because the referenced projects are not in the Charlotte MPO area.  Gaston, Lincoln, and Cleveland Counties are their own MPO.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #821 on: May 04, 2016, 10:55:20 AM »

Now that I am living in NC,  I caught an article about the STIP update for Charlotte's MPO.  Widening 85 to 8 lanes down to the 29/74 exit by Kings Mountain and 6 lanes thereafter to the border.  But the big lock surprise: Upgrading Us 74 to interstate standards to Asheville to be redesignated I-426

The designation makes sense, as it would be a connector interstate between I-26 and I-85.  However, we do need a source, if possible.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #822 on: May 04, 2016, 01:06:16 PM »

All I can find is this discussion, which provides a link to the updated STIP which does include converting US 74 to an interstate west of Shellby but does not specify a number.

Later in this discussion I-426 is speculated as a number...

http://www.city-data.com/forum/charlotte/2569030-new-transportation-projects-submitted-charlotte-region.html

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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #823 on: May 04, 2016, 04:18:55 PM »

How difficult would it be to connect the two freeway segments of US 74 between Interstate 26 and Interstate 85? Approximately how much condemning of homes and businesses would be necessary?
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #824 on: May 04, 2016, 06:38:48 PM »

All I can find is this discussion, which provides a link to the updated STIP which does include converting US 74 to an interstate west of Shellby but does not specify a number.

Later in this discussion I-426 is speculated as a number...

http://www.city-data.com/forum/charlotte/2569030-new-transportation-projects-submitted-charlotte-region.html
The new STIP is in a very early phase, so it's too early to put a lot of stock in this. However, it's a reasonable idea. Since the road is west to east, the I-x26 number is preferable to I-x85, I think.
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