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Title: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 10, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/story/tuesday-marks-groundbreaking-for-the-new-state-route-11-in-otay-mesa-20131210

EDIT: Changed icon. --roadfro
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on December 11, 2013, 12:43:52 AM
Noteworthy in the local media is that the project is slated to be completed in three phases, with the initial phase to connect SR 905 with Enrico Fermi Drive at a cost of $112 million. Future phases will bring the tolled freeway east to a new border crossing that is to be constructed.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: emory on December 11, 2013, 06:41:00 AM
Anyone know how the last leg of CA 125 is coming along?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: jrouse on December 11, 2013, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: emory on December 11, 2013, 06:41:00 AM
Anyone know how the last leg of CA 125 is coming along?

I believe it will be built in one of the phases of the Route 11 project.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: vdeane on December 11, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: emory on December 11, 2013, 06:41:00 AM
Anyone know how the last leg of CA 125 is coming along?
I assume you mean the non-interchange with CA 905?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: Henry on December 11, 2013, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 11, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: emory on December 11, 2013, 06:41:00 AM
Anyone know how the last leg of CA 125 is coming along?
I assume you mean the non-interchange with CA 905?
Probably the final thing that needs to be fixed before that route can become I-905, along with the Interstate upgrade all the way through.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: NE2 on December 11, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
Uh what? What does completing SR 125 have to do with SR 905 becoming I-905?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: mrsman on December 20, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
If anybody knows more about why 905 and 125 were never connected, I'd like to know.

It seems odd that such relatively recent roads should have a non-connection like this.  Historically, there was always some infighting between state DOTs and toll road authorities over which agency should be responsible for connecting the two highways, so often each agency would make their own ramp and provide a connection via surface streets.  This is especially true along the Penn Turnpike (Breezewood).

From looking at Google Maps satellite view, it seems that there was a better connection from 125 to the border before the 905 freeway construction.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: NE2 on December 20, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 20, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
If anybody knows more about why 905 and 125 were never connected, I'd like to know.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: TheStranger on December 20, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 20, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
If anybody knows more about why 905 and 125 were never connected, I'd like to know.


From CAHighways...

Here's a 1960s planning map, showing that originally, 125 was to feed into westbound 905 (then a Route 75 extension)

http://www.cahighways.org/maps/125-075.jpg
http://www.cahighways.org/121-128.html#125

From that CAHighways entry, the segment of 905 that turns towards the Otay Mesa crossing WAS originally part of the definition of Route 125 from 1972 to 1986, though it was not signed and built until later.  (At that point, none of 125 had been constructed south of Route 94, while what had been 75 and later 117 - soon to be 905 - already existed in some form).

Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: emory on December 20, 2013, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 20, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 20, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
If anybody knows more about why 905 and 125 were never connected, I'd like to know.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Just like how the western segment of the 905 was never built.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: Alps on December 20, 2013, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 20, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 20, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
If anybody knows more about why 905 and 125 were never connected, I'd like to know.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And in the future, when they have at least 8 or 9 of those dollar signs, work will resume.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: TheStranger on December 20, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: emory on December 20, 2013, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 20, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 20, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
If anybody knows more about why 905 and 125 were never connected, I'd like to know.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Just like how the western segment of the 905 was never built.

To put it in perspective: according to the Wiki entry on Route 905, the Otay Mesa crossing is only 28 years old.

Border Field State Park occupies the area where the 905 west extension would go, with no pre-existing border crossing there at present.  The AARoads page on the route describes that area as "environmentally sensitive"

https://www.aaroads.com/california/ca-905.html
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on December 21, 2013, 12:53:34 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on December 20, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
Border Field State Park occupies the area where the 905 west extension would go, with no pre-existing border crossing there at present.  The AARoads page on the route describes that area as "environmentally sensitive"

Yes:

http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=669
http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/669/files/SanDiegoCoastWebLayout041509.pdf - Tijuana River and Border Field State Park

QuoteThe Tijuana Estuary is the largest coastal wetland in Southern California and it is located on the international border between the U.S. and Mexico. The estuary is primarily a shallow water habitat, though it is often termed an "intermittent estuary," as it is subjected to extreme changes in streamflow at different times of the year. Extended periods of drought leave parts of the estuary dry during some periods, while flooding inundates the same areas during others. For this reason, Tijuana Estuary is considered to be a very unique part of the National Estuarine Research Reserve System.

The Tijuana River Estuary is one of the few salt marshes remaining in Southern California, where over 90% of wetland habitat has been lost to development. The site is an essential breeding, feeding and nesting ground and key stopover point on the Pacific Flyway for over 370 species of migratory and native birds, including six endangered species.


QuoteThe Tijuana River National Estuarine Research Reserve is one of only 24 wetlands in the United States that has  been designated by the International Ramsar Committee as a "wetland of international importance."  Estuaries provide
food and nesting areas for many creatures, especially shorebirds. At least 370 bird species have been seen here. All of the plants and animals in this park are protected–some are threatened or endangered. With your help, the estuary will be preserved forever.

With all that said, I doubt there's much appetite to construct the western portion of CA 905.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: TheStranger on December 21, 2013, 03:19:02 AM
Quote from: andy3175 on December 21, 2013, 12:53:34 AM

With all that said, I doubt there's much appetite to construct the western portion of CA 905.

Regards,
Andy

I do wonder: when the full proposal for the Border Field-to-Otay Mesa route was created in the 1980s...was it a situation where whichever area got the border crossing would get the completed road?  The mixture of the existing Otay Mesa crossing and the future Route 11 crossing slightly to the east seem to mitigate any need for the Border Field-area point of entry.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: NE2 on December 21, 2013, 03:32:29 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on December 21, 2013, 03:19:02 AM
I do wonder: when the full proposal for the Border Field-to-Otay Mesa route was created in the 1980s
1972, actually (as Route 117). SR 11 was not created until 1994. http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~239508~5511839:-Verso--California-State-Highways, shows the 1975 status well.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on December 23, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on December 21, 2013, 03:19:02 AM
The mixture of the existing Otay Mesa crossing and the future Route 11 crossing slightly to the east seem to mitigate any need for the Border Field-area point of entry.

The I-5 border crossing is very, very busy, and I do think a second port of entry would be very helpful; I'd be reluctant to state one in the San Ysidro area would not be necessary. The SR-11 crossing is an experiment of sorts to see if people would (a) drive way east and then back west to cross the border more expeditiously and (b) pay a toll for the privilege of not using San Ysidro or Otay Mesa I crossing.

Regarding 905 west, with the environmental area concerns and built-up urban areas so close, any kind of additional freeway crossing in these areas would be disruptive and huge. So that is probably a nonstarter. But that does not diminish the need for people to get across the border. I seem to recall there were some discussions about adding a local port of entry (i.e., not a freeway connection) in San Ysidro to connect with Tijuana. There is also the pending transnational airport terminal planned to connect from Otay Mesa on the U.S. side to Tijuana's  Rodriguez Airport. But the idea of a smaller crossing, if ever permitted and built, would probably also get quite a bit of traffic. Right now, the freeway border crossings can have routine 1-2 hour waits going northbound.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 23, 2013, 01:55:05 AM
And there still is the rumor of a 20 year plan to put a border crossing out by my place in either Boulevard or Jacumba Hot Springs.  The talk is of a freeway between I-8 and Mex 2D, which at this location would be less than say 5 miles..  I know rumors are just that, but alot of industrial developers have scooped up large swatches of land along Ribbonwood Rd(the N/S short section of CA 94 at I-8) and it's non state highway counterpart Jewel Valley Road which continues tot he Mex border, with the expectation of this future border crossing.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: TheStranger on December 23, 2013, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: andy3175 on December 23, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on December 21, 2013, 03:19:02 AM
The mixture of the existing Otay Mesa crossing and the future Route 11 crossing slightly to the east seem to mitigate any need for the Border Field-area point of entry.

The I-5 border crossing is very, very busy, and I do think a second port of entry would be very helpful; I'd be reluctant to state one in the San Ysidro area would not be necessary. The SR-11 crossing is an experiment of sorts to see if people would (a) drive way east and then back west to cross the border more expeditiously and (b) pay a toll for the privilege of not using San Ysidro or Otay Mesa I crossing.

When the 11 port of entry is built...it seems to me that would actually aid north-south traffic heading towards Ensenada, as it'd be much closer to the Corredor 2000 bypass of Tijuana.  Having said that...how much of the traffic at Otay and San Ysidro currently is traffic heading specifically to Tijuana, rather than elsewhere in Baja California?

Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 23, 2013, 02:32:23 PM
The Otay east crossing was specifically designed to align with the Corridor 2000 project.  Mexico got their part done first.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on December 23, 2013, 11:14:30 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 23, 2013, 02:32:23 PM
The Otay east crossing was specifically designed to align with the Corridor 2000 project.  Mexico got their part done first.

The same is true of the upgrade and expansion of the I-5 Port of Entry at San Ysidro: Mexico got their part done first.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: NE2 on December 23, 2013, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 23, 2013, 02:32:23 PM
The Otay east crossing was specifically designed to align with the Corridor 2000 project.  Mexico got their part done first.
http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/departments/planning/pdfs/tcs/11_SR_11TCS.pdf
I don't see anything on the Mexican side, unless it was built after the Goog's latest aerials. Corridor 2000 is several miles to the east, linked via the (previously built) Federal 2.

One thing that does seem to be recently constructed (or still under construction?) is the Via Rapida Alamar, straddling the Rio Tijuana from where the current Via Rapida (freeway from the I-5 crossing) leaves the main river east to a point south of Otay East.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on January 08, 2014, 01:06:35 AM
Quote from: mrsman on December 20, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
If anybody knows more about why 905 and 125 were never connected, I'd like to know.
It seems odd that such relatively recent roads should have a non-connection like this.

If you look at the conditions on the ground, there are big plateaus of dirt piled up on either side of Otay Mesa Blvd. which look like they're intended to carry 125 over the street and launch some flyover ramps onto 905. You can see it in the Street View imagery. It's clear they don't intend to leave it the way it is.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on January 25, 2015, 04:32:37 AM
Construction continues for SR 11 between SR 905 and Airway Road. A direct connector between SR 905 east and SR 11 east/south is taking shape and remains under construction, as is the connector from SR 11 west to SR 905 west. A recent article noted the continuing construction as well as quoted a local politician lamenting that the direct connectors between SR 905 and SR 125 are not a part of this project (and connecting traffic must continue to use Otay Mesa Road and La Media Road to access SR 125/SR  905). notably, Google Maps show the proposed 905-125 connectors but not the 11-905 connectors that are actually under construction currently.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2015/jan/13/stringers-new-border-entry-planned-east-otay/

QuoteSan Diego is poised to get the first new Southwest border port of entry in at least 30 years, and it's being built as a toll crossing with the main goal of improving commercial-truck wait times.

With a target opening date of 2017, the Otay Mesa East port of entry is, yes, east of the Otay port by about two miles. It's going in on SANDAG's direction, with Caltrans providing the roads and Mexico fully supporting the plan.

...

The key feature: the promise of 20-minute wait times to cross the border. The proposal-in-motion involves ten commercial-vehicle lanes and ten private-vehicle lanes and will cost about $550 million, a number SANDAG economist calls "a work in progress."

The SANDAG plan is build it as a toll crossing and hand it over to the feds to run it, with the money generated by the tolls paying the cost of running it.

...

The current plan is to have the new port open 16 hours a day, with the toll varying from around $2 at off-peak hours to up to $17 during peak hours. The predicted median toll for passenger vehicles is $2.35, while commercial trucks are looking at a median toll of $15.45.

So far, Caltrans has broken ground and is building the State Route 11 extension from the 905 east, between Otay Mesa Road and Airway Drive. The next step is building the highway to the border, Cox said, and the final step is building the actual facility that's still on the drawing board.

...

At opening, planners expect to attract about 20 percent of northbound border traffic, with particular emphasis on the commercial traffic that gets trapped idling for hours in the maze of Otay Mesa's port. Relatively safe cargo is mixed in with cargo that demands a lot of inspection, so every shipper must wait.

"The inefficiency of the Otay Mesa crossing is one of the driving forces behind this plan," Cox said. "There's little room for improvements on the south side and there's little room for design efficiency to sort [vehicles] by commodity on the north."

...

National City mayor Ron Morrison worried about how the highways would look for commuters during morning rush hour.

"Why would you funnel traffic onto the 905 and then the 805 and not get the 125 connectors working?" he asked. "Anyone who has been on the 805 in the morning in a pedestrian car is already in a tunnel of trucks."

Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on December 28, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
Update on both California 11 and Otay East Port of Entry into Mexico ... once completed, a toll would be charged to expedite border crossings, which would be the first of its kind in California. The westernmost segment of SR 11 is slated to open to traffic in January 2016, with the second segment to be built in connection with the actual border crossing facility, with groundbreaking of the eastern segment of the toll road and border crossing most likely to occur in 2018.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/dec/26/east-otay-port-entry-border-innovative-crossing/

QuoteAt a time when border waits can stretch for hours, the plan seems almost too good to be true: a major new international crossing between Tijuana and San Diego, where trucks and passenger vehicles would wait no more than 20 minutes to reach the border.

Planners in the United States and Mexico are thinking big as they envision Otay Mesa East, a future port of entry that would serve both passenger vehicles and commercial trucks.

Otay Mesa East, also known as Otay II, would be California’s first tolled vehicle border crossing, incorporating binational lane management and toll collection. It would be privately financed through bonds in a plan where San Diego Association of Governments, or SANDAG, would play the central role.

QuoteEarlier this month, a pedestrian port of entry, the Cross-Border Xpress, launched operations at Otay Mesa, linking Tijuana’s A.L. Rodríguez International Airport with San Diego. Privately built and operated, the facility is the only U.S. crossing that connects directly to a foreign airport, offering ticketed airline passengers who pay a toll a chance to cross faster.

Next month, U.S. and Mexican federal officials are preparing for another first on Otay Mesa: the opening of a joint inspection facility for fruit and vegetable shipments where customs officials from countries are preparing to work side-by-side. The facility is located in Tijuana, near the Otay Mesa commercial port of entry.

QuoteIt’s the need for a third crossing between Tijuana and San Diego and the scarcity of federal funds that are driving plans for the future port. According to SANDAG, the aim is to build 10 northbound commercial vehicle lanes, doubling region’s trade capacity. It would also include 10 northbound passenger vehicle lanes, with the option of converting lanes in both categories depending on demand.

Last year, more than $39 billion in goods passed through Otay Mesa, and SANDAG expects the volume to steadily increase in coming years. Even with the $741 million expansion and redesign of the San Ysidro Port of Entry, which is scheduled for completion by 2019, the expected growth of the region will require more border infrastructure for passenger traffic as well.

QuoteOtay Mesa East is a plan that has taken years to evolve — and is continuing to take shape through discussions among a host of federal and state agencies from both countries. Locally, SANDAG has been working closely with the California Department of Transportation, or Caltrans, because a planned toll road, state Route 11, is key to the overall project.

QuoteThe idea for third border crossing dates back to the 1990s, but it gained traction following a border-wait-times study by SANDAG that found inadequate infrastructure on the U.S.-Mexico border “cost the U.S. and Mexican economies an estimated $7.2 billion in foregone gross output and more than 62,000 jobs in 2007.”

SANDAG found a supporter in Denise Moreno Ducheny, then a state senator, who agreed to sponsor Senate Bill 1486, the Otay Mesa East Toll Facility Act, aimed at creating a financial framework for the project. The legislation gave SANDAG the authority to build a toll road extension to the border, issue bonds and seek private investment funds. The measure became law in October 2008. The following month, a presidential permit was granted for the project.

QuoteThe current estimated price tag is about $900 million — with the bulk of the cost, about $700 million, on the U.S. side, where the facilities would include a new California Highway Patrol inspection station. The estimate also incorporates the cost of access roads on both sides of the border.

Authorities on both sides of the border said they are working on acquiring land for the facility. U.S. planners are moving forward on another key component — developing accurate border wait time measurements so that users can decide whether it’s worth their while to pay the toll at Otay East.

A SANDAG study last year of the project’s economic viability projected a median toll of $2.35 for passenger vehicles and $15.45 for commercial vehicles. The opening date hinges on many factors, but planners are hoping to see the project underway by 2018.

Next month, Caltrans intends to open open a 1.5-mile stretch of state Route 11 that connects to state Route 905, the highway that connects Otay Mesa to the Interstate 5 and Interstate 805 highways. A second stretch of state Route 11, connecting to the future Otay East port of entry, would not be built “without knowing that the port of entry is coming,” Caltrans’ Orso said.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: rschen7754 on March 18, 2016, 11:58:06 PM
It's going to open tomorrow: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/news/2016/53.html
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: oscar on March 19, 2016, 08:47:10 PM
Darn, now that I've left California.

While I was there, I saw an uncovered BGS confirming that the CA 11 exit from CA 905 is exit 8. But if anyone down there can report on the exit number (if any) for Enrico Fermi Dr. at the east end (so far) of CA 11, that would be much appreciated.  (Last I checked, Wikipedia said it'll be exit 1B. But I don't trust Wikipedia on this.)
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: rschen7754 on March 20, 2016, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: oscar on March 19, 2016, 08:47:10 PM
Darn, now that I've left California.

While I was there, I saw an uncovered BGS confirming that the CA 11 exit from CA 905 is exit 8. But if anyone down there can report on the exit number (if any) for Enrico Fermi Dr. at the east end (so far) of CA 11, that would be much appreciated.  (Last I checked, Wikipedia said it'll be exit 1B. But I don't trust Wikipedia on this.)

I actually took that from the Caltrans exit numbering site: http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/engineering/calnexus/pdf/11.pdf
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: oscar on March 20, 2016, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: rschen7754 on March 20, 2016, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: oscar on March 19, 2016, 08:47:10 PM
Darn, now that I've left California.

While I was there, I saw an uncovered BGS confirming that the CA 11 exit from CA 905 is exit 8. But if anyone down there can report on the exit number (if any) for Enrico Fermi Dr. at the east end (so far) of CA 11, that would be much appreciated.  (Last I checked, Wikipedia said it'll be exit 1B. But I don't trust Wikipedia on this.)

I actually took that from the Caltrans exit numbering site: http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/engineering/calnexus/pdf/11.pdf

Thanks. I've found much of the CalNEXUS site to be seriously outdated, and sometimes out of synch with what's posted in the field. But good to hear that at least part of the site has caught up to California's newest state route.

I'll add that to the Travel Mapping database (like other CA state routes, as an "in-dev" route not yet ready for people to map their travels), once I take a few days to recover from my almost six-week road trip to and from California.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: Henry on March 21, 2016, 10:26:11 AM
According to the article, the rest of the project (including the connectors) should be done by the end of the year. But it's always good to see any new highway open and ready to drive, like CA 11.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: NE2 on March 21, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
And where does it end?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: oscar on March 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 21, 2016, 10:26:11 AM
According to the article, the rest of the project (including the connectors) should be done by the end of the year.

That's just for the connectors to CA 125, and the short extension of CA 125 to CA 905. The rest of the project, extending CA 11 from Enrico Fermi Dr. to a new border crossing, awaits funding.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on March 21, 2016, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 21, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
And where does it end?

The part of California SR 11 that opened on Saturday, March 19, 2016, connects California SR 905 with Enrico Fermi Drive, a distance of 1.7 miles at cost of $103.4 million. The remainder of the route will be built in two more phases, with the aforementioned connections to California SR 125 (partial) as well as the final connection of California SR 11 from Enrico Fermi Drive east to Siempre Viva Road, extending south to the new border crossing, will be built and opened to traffic simultaneously with the border crossing.

Trucks will appreciate the first phase of California SR 11, as it will connect northbound trucks with the freeway network. The following Google Maps link shows the aerial image of the northbound truck crossing, which passes through Mexico and U.S. customs along roadways that parallel the international border. In addition to the US Customs facilities right at the border crossing, the California Highway Patrol inspection area is located at the southeastern corner of the intersection of Siempre Viva Road and Enrico Fermi Road. Trucks would travel parallel to the international border to get to the CHP inspection area. See aerial at: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5528488,-116.9288419,961m/data=!3m1!1e3.

See more at http://www.10news.com/news/1st-segment-of-sr-11-opens-along-border-03192016 and http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2016/03/18/state-route-11-near-u-s-mexico-border-opens-saturday/ for info.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: c172 on May 17, 2016, 01:34:51 PM
I'm eager to see gantry photos of 11. I live in San Diego and forgot all about this project.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: coatimundi on May 18, 2016, 09:02:54 AM
I read an article about this proposed border crossing and it talked a lot about where the money for the actual construction will come from, but not about where the staffing will come from. Isn't a big part of the problem in the San Diego area a lack of customs staff? I don't see how this would do anything but give cars another place to sit in line.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: AMLNet49 on May 18, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
So now that this connection is open, does that mean 905 will have interstate shields posted now? Thought they were waiting for the CA 11 interchange to open to pull the SR shields off the BGS gantries on I-5.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 18, 2016, 03:32:41 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if 905 remains a state highway for the rest of eternity (same with 210, and maybe 15).
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: c172 on May 18, 2016, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: c172 on May 17, 2016, 01:34:51 PM
I'm eager to see gantry photos of 11. I live in San Diego and forgot all about this project.

And here it is on Google Maps. I wasn't doing this right the other day.

(https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5640365,-116.9564619,3a,75y,82.91h,89.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLvBxB1-apmG1LyPoFzh8vw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: vdeane on May 18, 2016, 06:45:17 PM
You can't embed Google Maps links as images like that.  Here's the link, for anyone who wants to see it: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5640365,-116.9564619,3a,75y,82.91h,89.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLvBxB1-apmG1LyPoFzh8vw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: Desert Man on June 24, 2016, 10:52:00 AM
IMO, CA SR 11 should be built longer into Tecate along the border...which can reduce traffic in 2-lane sections of CA SR 94 which becomes a freeway in La Mesa-Lemon Grove. The Interstate 905 plan remains a state highway project (CA SR 905) because there's no interstate shield to indicate. There's another route in Imperial valley, CA SR 7, meant to connect I-8 with Mexicali's airport and factory zones.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
I don't know, there is basically nothing out there between where 905 turns south and Tecate. Also, wouldn't that portion of land be protected due to the fact that its in the Otay County Open Space Preserve?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on June 24, 2016, 05:16:24 PM
I just moved away from Boulevard CA, the thinking is that someday there will be a short freeway with crossing linking I-8 to MD-2 near the Macumba Hot Springs exit.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on July 20, 2016, 12:10:50 AM
Pictures of the completed first phase of SR 11:

https://www.facebook.com/aaroads/posts/10154402224967948
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on July 20, 2016, 12:24:23 AM
Article on funding Phase II of California 11, which will take the toll road southeast to the second Otay Mesa Border Crossing:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/07/highway-to-new-border-crossing-gets-49-million/

QuoteA state highway to a new border crossing aimed at reducing road congestion between the United States and Mexico has received $49.3 million in federal funding for its final leg.

The San Diego Association of Governments announced on Thursday that the agency and Caltrans are expecting to receive money from the Department of Transportation to build a one-mile portion of state Route 11 in Otay Mesa. The funding will also go toward building southbound connectors for state Routes 905, 125 and 11.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on November 13, 2016, 02:04:27 AM
As of a couple of days ago, no new pavement was open, but it looked like the SB 125 ramps were all done except for striping. The BGSes were up. They could open any day. However, they hadn't turned so much as a shovelful toward constructing the NB 125 ramps. That's apparently a completely separate phase.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 30, 2016, 07:56:36 PM
CA-125 connections opened today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQrp138_bNE
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on December 03, 2016, 11:32:46 PM
Thanks, Rickmastfan. I knew the opening was coming up quick but didn't expect it to be ready on Nov 30. I will head down there to snap some pictures in the next few weeks. It is notable that this project opens the links from 11 east to 125 north, 11 west to 125 north, and from 905 west/north to 125 north. The links from 125 south to 905 south/east, 125 south to 11 east, and 125 south to 905 west are still pending. 10 News stated these links would be under construction by 2018.

This article covers the northbound connectors that opened this week: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/politics/sd-me-government-1201-story.html

This article covers funding for the southbound connectors and the second phase of SR 11, which will extend the freeway past Enrico Fermi Drive to the edge of the border crossing/port of entry. A third helping of funds is necessary to complete the actual port of entry/border crossing. http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/politics/sdut-highway-to-new-border-crossing-gets-49-million-2016jul07-story.html
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on March 28, 2017, 11:08:21 PM
Any recent news on CA 11/CA 125?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: NE2 on March 28, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on March 28, 2017, 11:08:21 PM
Any recent news on CA 11/CA 125?
It apparently begins in San Diego.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on November 21, 2017, 12:40:24 PM
I've noticed on the Otay II Wikipedia page that construction hasn't started due to lack of Mexican interest because of the toll and that the opening has been pushed back to 2021. Is there anything out there to back this up?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: NE2 on November 21, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
So it starts in San Diego, but where does it end?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on November 21, 2017, 01:36:57 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 21, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
So it starts in San Diego, but where does it end?
It still ends in SD...for now. It's supposed to end at the border.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: chays on September 23, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but I don't see anything more recent.
This page (https://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/SR-11-Corridor/SR11-budget.aspx) states that the SR 11 segment to the border is scheduled to be completed in late 2021. Does anyone have any other information on this new toll road?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on September 25, 2021, 05:38:36 AM
I've been watching this project on the ground, because I live in the general area. From what I've been able to glean from the web, the only thing that will be tolled is the actual border crossing. You can already drive to Enrico Fermi Dr, and there will be one more interchange at Siempre Viva Rd, but those are primarily useful for accessing the local industrial park, so it wouldn't make sense to toll that. People would just use the surface streets over to CA-905 instead.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on October 01, 2021, 04:43:19 PM
The latest Street View footage (from February) shows most of the SB 125 connectors mostly done as well; same with the Enrico Fermi interchange, which is going to be the county's first ever DDI.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 06, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
I checked OSM and it show the proposed alignment when the Mexican part of CA-11 will connect to MX-2. 
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=32.54780,-116.89361&z=16&t=M 
Is it really the alignement they chosen in Mexico? I checked Streetview and the ROW was occupied by a high tension power line.
https://goo.gl/maps/VcuWsqnZjVdwmwL56
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: NE2 on October 06, 2021, 08:39:34 PM
It begins in San Diego, but where does it end?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: ilpt4u on October 07, 2021, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 06, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
I checked OSM and it show the proposed alignment when the Mexican part of CA-11 will connect to MX-2. 
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=32.54780,-116.89361&z=16&t=M 
Is it really the alignement they chosen in Mexico? I checked Streetview and the ROW was occupied by a high tension power line.
https://goo.gl/maps/VcuWsqnZjVdwmwL56
I've always wondered why we don't see more ROW "sharing"  between Freeways/Interstates/etc and PowerCo high tension lines

Just put the Support Poles in the median and build the Freeway on both sides!
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: jdbx on October 08, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 07, 2021, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 06, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
I checked OSM and it show the proposed alignment when the Mexican part of CA-11 will connect to MX-2. 
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=32.54780,-116.89361&z=16&t=M 
Is it really the alignement they chosen in Mexico? I checked Streetview and the ROW was occupied by a high tension power line.
https://goo.gl/maps/VcuWsqnZjVdwmwL56
I've always wondered why we don't see more ROW "sharing"  between Freeways/Interstates/etc and PowerCo high tension lines

Just put the Support Poles in the median and build the Freeway on both sides!

I would imagine the reason why is that maintenance of the power lines becomes a problem of coordinating with highway authorities.

Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 08, 2021, 01:31:52 PM
I could see that causing Caltranzzz to put Prop 65 warning signs on the freeway.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on October 17, 2021, 06:36:27 PM
The latest information on the SR 11 extension and the completion of the SR 11-125-905 interchange is found here:

https://dot.ca.gov/caltrans-near-me/district-11/current-projects/sr11

https://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/Libraries/SR_11/SAN_SR11_Port_of_Entry_Brochure_WEB_031721.sflb.ashx

The second link has a chronology of the SR 11 project, including these key dates (chronology updated 3/17/2021):

- 1998 memorandum of understanding approved that created the Otay Mesa-Mesa de Otay Binational Corridor (which includes SR 11)
- 2008 Toll Authority Legislation (SB 1486)
- 2012 Environmental Impact Report completed
- 2013 SR 11 construction began
- 2015 SR 11-125-905 interchange improvements project began (to complete missing connectors)
- 2016 SR 11 first segment (from SR 125-905 to Enrico Fermi Dr) opened to traffic
- 2019 SR 11 second segment (Enrico Fermi Dr to port of entry) and SR 11-125-905 southbound connectors began construction
- 2022 Anticipated start date of construction for the Otay Mesa East Port of Entry
- 2024 Anticipated opening of Otay Mesa East Port of Entry (and SR 11)
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on October 22, 2021, 03:29:11 AM
When exactly are the SB 125 connectors supposed to open?
Title: CA 11
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
Finally getting around to adding more highways that were part of the Roadwaywiz video series to Gribblenation blogs.  There isn't a ton to say or see with CA 11 but here's how it was as of last year.  Presumably this will change soon with the second segment nearing completion:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/california-state-route-11-otay-mesa.html?m=1
Title: Re: CA 11
Post by: bing101 on December 02, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
This time CA-11 is in the San Diego area.  I thought of the current CA-110/I-110 as the history but this time its in Otay Mesa when I read it.
Title: Re: CA 11
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: bing101 on December 02, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
This time CA-11 is in the San Diego area.  I thought of the current CA-110/I-110 as the history but this time its in Otay Mesa when I read it.

I'll get around to the Harbor Freeway in the next couple months.  I did the Arroyo Seco Parkway a couple years ago and that required a ton of research time put in. 
Title: Re: CA 11
Post by: pderocco on December 06, 2021, 12:08:41 AM
I'm not aware of any construction work started south of the border. If there's no border crossing, I'm wondering if they'll bother tying the last exit to the rest of Siempre Viva in the near future. Watching what's happening on the ground, they don't seem very eager to do that. Perhaps it will just be a new mile of freeway with an exit to serve a handful of new industrial buildings. Who knows, perhaps they won't even open it at all past Enrico Fermi until the border crossing is at least in progress.
Title: Re: CA 11
Post by: rschen7754 on December 16, 2021, 02:36:22 PM
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/south-bay-news/otay-mesa-east-port-of-entry-project-reaches-major-milestone
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: rschen7754 on December 16, 2021, 02:37:12 PM
The livestream of the ceremony was today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgAXYhJ0qys
Title: Re: CA 11
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 16, 2021, 02:50:13 PM
Quote from: rschen7754 on December 16, 2021, 02:36:22 PM
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/south-bay-news/otay-mesa-east-port-of-entry-project-reaches-major-milestone

Neat, it's kind of feels weird posting about a highway still developing for a change. 
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on December 19, 2021, 08:17:50 PM
Well, that "news" story was, as usual, badly written by someone who didn't understand the details. The only thing that opened were the ramps from SB 125 to EB 905 (to the existing border crossing) and to EB 11. I was down there last weekend, and the ramp from SB 125 to WB 905 has months of work remaining, and so does 11 E of Enrico Fermi.

That said, that's still an important milestone.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: Henry on December 21, 2021, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: jdbx on October 08, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 07, 2021, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 06, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
I checked OSM and it show the proposed alignment when the Mexican part of CA-11 will connect to MX-2. 
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=32.54780,-116.89361&z=16&t=M 
Is it really the alignement they chosen in Mexico? I checked Streetview and the ROW was occupied by a high tension power line.
https://goo.gl/maps/VcuWsqnZjVdwmwL56
I've always wondered why we don't see more ROW "sharing"  between Freeways/Interstates/etc and PowerCo high tension lines

Just put the Support Poles in the median and build the Freeway on both sides!

I would imagine the reason why is that maintenance of the power lines becomes a problem of coordinating with highway authorities.


Also, it would raise fears of some unlucky motorist crashing into a tower and bringing it down, causing a citywide power outage. Which is why I strongly recommend the lines put to one side of the highway so that the maintenance won't interfere with the traffic flow. But then again, having the lines in the median just may work, given that many urban areas have median lights.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on December 22, 2021, 01:35:41 AM
Does it usually take a day or so for a new segment of road to appear on Google Maps?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: vdeane on December 22, 2021, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 22, 2021, 01:35:41 AM
Does it usually take a day or so for a new segment of road to appear on Google Maps?
It seems like it takes a little while these days, yes.  And then it takes a little longer before Google will route directions on the new road, have traffic information, etc.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on December 22, 2021, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 22, 2021, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 22, 2021, 01:35:41 AM
Does it usually take a day or so for a new segment of road to appear on Google Maps?
It seems like it takes a little while these days, yes.  And then it takes a little longer before Google will route directions on the new road, have traffic information, etc.
I'm guessing that MTS has rerouted Rapid Route 225 onto it by now.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: rschen7754 on December 29, 2021, 02:55:40 PM
Quote from: pderocco on December 19, 2021, 08:17:50 PM
Well, that "news" story was, as usual, badly written by someone who didn't understand the details. The only thing that opened were the ramps from SB 125 to EB 905 (to the existing border crossing) and to EB 11. I was down there last weekend, and the ramp from SB 125 to WB 905 has months of work remaining, and so does 11 E of Enrico Fermi.

That said, that's still an important milestone.

Indeed, my go-to is usually the San Diego Union-Tribune, but thanks to paywalls it's hard to get anything current out of them.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 31, 2021, 09:51:49 PM
Any chance they might consider proposing to build a fourth border crossing in the San Diego area, either east of CA 11, or somewhere between Interstate 5 and CA 905? They probably wouldn't propose building one west of Interstate 5.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: oscar on December 31, 2021, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 31, 2021, 09:51:49 PM
Any chance they might consider proposing to build a fourth border crossing in the San Diego area, either east of CA 11, or somewhere between Interstate 5 and CA 905?

Why would another crossing be needed?

One limiting factor is Tijuana's international airport, which is just south of the border and occupies much of the space between the I-5 and CA 905 crossings. The airport has its own pedestrian-only border crossing (https://www.crossborderxpress.com/en/about), so U.S. residents can use Tijuana's airport, while leaving their cars on the U.S. side. That can be a convenient way to travel from Tijuana to other Mexico cities, with more limited or expensive flight connections from U.S. airports.

East of the new crossing to be built along with the CA 11 extension, there seems not to be much population or development on either side of the border, until you reach the existing Tecate crossing (served by CA 188). There's also a wilderness area on the U.S. side between the new crossing and Tecate.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 31, 2021, 11:01:27 PM
My question was a hypothetical "what-if" question. Suppose someday, having three border crossings in the San Diego area will prove to be insufficient to meet demand that a fourth border crossing would need to be proposed and constructed.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: oscar on December 31, 2021, 11:59:58 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 31, 2021, 11:01:27 PM
My question was a hypothetical "what-if" question. Suppose someday, having three border crossings in the San Diego area will prove to be insufficient to meet demand that a fourth border crossing would need to be proposed and constructed.

But, hypothetically, where could you put a fourth crossing? As explained above, with the new third crossing (CA 11) in the pipeline, we're starting to run out of good places for additional crossings. You might have to settle for expanding one or more of the existing crossings.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on January 01, 2022, 04:57:15 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 31, 2021, 11:59:58 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 31, 2021, 11:01:27 PM
My question was a hypothetical "what-if" question. Suppose someday, having three border crossings in the San Diego area will prove to be insufficient to meet demand that a fourth border crossing would need to be proposed and constructed.

But, hypothetically, where could you put a fourth crossing? As explained above, with the new third crossing (CA 11) in the pipeline, we're starting to run out of good places for additional crossings. You might have to settle for expanding one or more of the existing crossings.
There was a plan to build the 905 west of the 5 to Border Field, but that's unlikely if not impossible at this time.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on January 01, 2022, 09:20:54 PM
There had been some rumblings about a Jacumba Hot Springs crossing, freeway to freeway, when 8 lived in boulevard.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: rshrsh on July 26, 2022, 05:53:59 PM
Not sure if this is really the right thread, but since there was a lot more discussion about the 125/905/11 interchange here and not the 125 thread, I'll post it here.

Press ceremony and ribbon cutting of the 125SB to 905WB interchange was this morning, though when I drove by it around 1pm today the ramp was still blocked off. Hopefully though it'll be open by the time I have to drive it next Tuesday.

Source: https://twitter.com/SDCaltrans/status/1551954543440670720
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on July 26, 2022, 10:07:36 PM
I've been unable to find any detailed plans on the web for the CA-11 project. I go down there now and then to see what's going on, and they've been working at a leisurely pace on the Siempre Viva interchange, but it doesn't look like they're actually going to connect it to the rest of that road. The Alta overpass has been sitting there half finished for over a year. Does anyone know where a detailed map can be found for the whole project?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on October 17, 2022, 11:09:57 PM
Update on the final segment of SR 11 and the connection to the soon to be constructed port of entry and border crossing leading into Mexico.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/transportation/story/2022-10-14/san-diego-inks-deal-with-mexico-over-tolling-at-new-otay-mesa-border-crossing

QuoteOfficials from across the San Diego-Baja California region on Friday celebrated a painstakingly negotiated binational agreement for collecting tolls at the envisioned new Otay Mesa border crossing.

The deal – unanimously approved by the San Diego Association of Governments board of directors – calls for one tolling facility located north of the border. The revenue would be split evenly with Mexico, pulling in an estimated $3.4 billion for each country over the next four decades. ....

The roughly $1.47 billion project is aimed at dramatically reducing wait times as well as emission-spewing idling at the two current ports of entry in Otay Mesa and San Ysidro.

The new facility, dubbed Otay Mesa East, is expected to open in 2024, providing 10 lanes in both directions serving passenger and commercial traffic, according to SANDAG. Average crossing times at the new facility are projected to be from five to 25 minutes for passenger vehicles and 15 to 45 minutes for freight traffic.

The project reached a milestone this summer with the completion of the connecting highway network, which included work on state routes 125, 905 and 11. ...

However, the new port of entry is not yet fully funded. While SANDAG has secured $719 million for the project, the agency is still looking for another $418 million, largely through loans and grants.

Likewise, Mexico has ponied up $315 million but still needs to find another $20 million to complete the deal.

Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: andy3175 on October 17, 2022, 11:12:27 PM
Quote from: pderocco on July 26, 2022, 10:07:36 PM
I've been unable to find any detailed plans on the web for the CA-11 project. I go down there now and then to see what's going on, and they've been working at a leisurely pace on the Siempre Viva interchange, but it doesn't look like they're actually going to connect it to the rest of that road. The Alta overpass has been sitting there half finished for over a year. Does anyone know where a detailed map can be found for the whole project?
Does this Sandag link help?

https://www.sandag.org/uploads/projectid/projectid_56_27817.pdf
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on October 18, 2022, 12:08:55 AM
Quote from: andy3175 on October 17, 2022, 11:12:27 PM
Does this Sandag link help?

https://www.sandag.org/uploads/projectid/projectid_56_27817.pdf

Thanks, but I've seen that. Interesting info, but often it's possible to find really detailed maps showing the intended striping on the roads, etc.

It's nice to hear they think they're making progress. Maybe they'll give the one guy with the shovel some co-workers and some heavy equipment one of these days, and we'll start seeing some actual progress.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on October 26, 2022, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: pderocco on October 18, 2022, 12:08:55 AM
Quote from: andy3175 on October 17, 2022, 11:12:27 PM
Does this Sandag link help?

https://www.sandag.org/uploads/projectid/projectid_56_27817.pdf

Thanks, but I've seen that. Interesting info, but often it's possible to find really detailed maps showing the intended striping on the roads, etc.

It's nice to hear they think they're making progress. Maybe they'll give the one guy with the shovel some co-workers and some heavy equipment one of these days, and we'll start seeing some actual progress.
It's still going to be interesting to see how much just that one guy can do by himself in the meantime.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: theroadwayone on December 16, 2022, 02:46:37 AM
Apparently Google has published updated Street View footage of the SB 125/905/11 direct connectors and some of the 11/Enrico Fermi Dr. DDI.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on December 17, 2022, 01:29:57 AM
As usual, you can see more recent imagery in Google Earth if you turn on Historical Imagery. Not top quality, but later.

I go down there every few weeks, and it looks like they're getting ready to lay concrete and rebar to connect Paseo De La Fuente to Siempre Viva Rd by its new interchange at the end of the 11 freeway, which has had traffic lights set up for a couple months now. They're also finishing the Alta Rd bridge over the freeway, because there are a couple of commercial properties on the south side that look like they're ready to be developed.

But still no trace of closing the Siempre Viva Rd gap. That's probably years away. (Not to mention the other Siempre Viva Rd gap west of La Media Rd, which is probably 30 years old.)

I'm also interested in the connection between Otay Valley Rd and Otay Mesa Rd, just west of the airport. There's a quarter-section that was filled with junk cars, which has now been cleared out, and the slabs of concrete have been dug up, ground up, and left in piles to be hauled away. I'm wondering if they'll extend Otay Valley Rd through a nice S curve into the light at Otay Mesa Rd, and then rename the whole thing Heritage Rd. They could rename the existing Heritage Rd through the remaining junk yards Heritage Ln or something. I've been unable to track down any plans for that area online.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on February 26, 2023, 10:38:51 PM
The Alta Rd overpass is complete, and the road continues a quarter mile south of the freeway, providing access to a couple of new industrial buildings, although traffic is constrained to the two lanes on the east side of the road for now.

Pavement now connects Paseo De La Fuente to the Siempre Viva Rd interchange, and it looks like they'll be striping it any time now. I have no idea if they'll actually open it up for a while, but industrial property seems to be going fast down there, and those new roads looks like they will serve several new businesses. So it looks like CA-11 may be a mile longer pretty soon.

On the Mexican side, GE historical imagery makes it look like a couple of salvage yards are gradually being cleared out where the new customs facility is likely to be located.

At the west end of Brown Field, it looks like more of the junk yards are slowly moving out, to make room for modern industrial development, along Heritage Rd north of Datsun Rd. Is there anywhere in California that has more auto and truck salvage yards than Otay Mesa?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: brad2971 on February 27, 2023, 07:31:08 AM
Quote from: pderocco on February 26, 2023, 10:38:51 PM
The Alta Rd overpass is complete, and the road continues a quarter mile south of the freeway, providing access to a couple of new industrial buildings, although traffic is constrained to the two lanes on the east side of the road for now.

Pavement now connects Paseo De La Fuente to the Siempre Viva Rd interchange, and it looks like they'll be striping it any time now. I have no idea if they'll actually open it up for a while, but industrial property seems to be going fast down there, and those new roads looks like they will serve several new businesses. So it looks like CA-11 may be a mile longer pretty soon.

On the Mexican side, GE historical imagery makes it look like a couple of salvage yards are gradually being cleared out where the new customs facility is likely to be located.

At the west end of Brown Field, it looks like more of the junk yards are slowly moving out, to make room for modern industrial development, along Heritage Rd north of Datsun Rd. Is there anywhere in California that has more auto and truck salvage yards than Otay Mesa?

Where else would you have put them in San Diego County? Or would you have recommended that those auto and truck salvage yards be placed right around the SR 98 exit on I-8?
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: Occidental Tourist on February 28, 2023, 09:15:27 AM
Quote from: pderocco on February 26, 2023, 10:38:51 PMIs there anywhere in California that has more auto and truck salvage yards than Otay Mesa?

Possibly Wilmington.
Title: Re: CA 11 Tollway begins in San Diego
Post by: pderocco on February 28, 2023, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on February 27, 2023, 07:31:08 AM
Where else would you have put them in San Diego County? Or would you have recommended that those auto and truck salvage yards be placed right around the SR 98 exit on I-8?

That's Imperial Co. But I wasn't complaining. It will be interesting to see where they all go, now that they're being priced out of that area. I don't understand the economics of junk yards, but it feels like proximity to Mexico is somehow meaningful, as if that's where a lot of customers come from. Indeed, there are a lot of junk yards in Tijuana, too.