I'm sure everyone on here has heard of Breezewood (PA), but I can think of at least one city that acts like Breezewood.
Grand Haven is the closest thing to one in MI. Coming in from Muskegon, US-31 goes from a 70 mph freeway to 30 mph clogged boulevard in less than a mile. On the other side of Grand Haven, US-31 becomes a 55 mph rural divided highway where everyone routinely hits 70.
San Francisco on US-101 is the main example I can think of.
There was one in Wausau, WI where WIS 29 met US 51, but that's been fixed now.
US 18 and 151 in SW Madison is a good example of one that still exists. There in study phase for a tiered upgrade to full freeway.
Eastbound US-90 in Dayton, Texas
Fort Scott, Kansas, could be on its way to becoming the same sort of thing. Right now, the only traffic lights on U.S. 69 between Shawnee Mission Parkway and K-47 (about 120 miles) are all in Fort Scott. Five of them.
Key West on I-95.
It certainly appears that the connection between I-69 and SR 37 (future I-69) in Monroe County, Indiana will be a mess for a while. That connection, SR 45, is a windy and hilly two lane road. As things appear now, I-69 will end at the Greene-Monroe County line unless or until the local MPO agrees to add I-69 to its plan.
Current east end of the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway at I-290. The freeway ends at Rohlwing Rd (IL-53) just west of I-290 and traffic has to go through 2 signals between the EOE and I-290.
Quote from: apeman33 on October 20, 2011, 03:18:52 AM
Fort Scott, Kansas, could be on its way to becoming the same sort of thing. Right now, the only traffic lights on U.S. 69 between Shawnee Mission Parkway and K-47 (about 120 miles) are all in Fort Scott. Five of them.
Similar situation to the MO 7 and MO 13 expressways where 3 traffic lights in Clinton are the only stops between Kansas City and Springfield.
Quote from: Master son on October 19, 2011, 11:55:07 PM
There was one in Wausau, WI where WIS 29 met US 51, but that's been fixed now.
US 18 and 151 in SW Madison is a good example of one that still exists. There in study phase for a tiered upgrade to full freeway.
The way that things are looking, the I-94/WI 29 'Elk Mound' interchange, near Elk Mound, WI, may be like that when all is done.
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Mike
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 19, 2011, 10:57:39 PM
San Francisco on US-101 is the main example I can think of.
Would Route 99 in Yuba City and Route 70 in Marysville fall under the same category?
The PA Turnpike has plenty of other 'Breezewoods' other than the famous one. US 219, I-99, I-81...
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 20, 2011, 06:20:15 PM
The PA Turnpike has plenty of other 'Breezewoods' other than the famous one. US 219, I-99, I-81...
Difference is that in those cases you're going from one route to another via a surface street, whereas in Breezewood I-70 itself uses that street through the traffic light.
PA Turnpike-I-95 intersection...to get onto the turnpike from 95 one has to either exit onto PA 413 and take US13 to the turnpike bridge, to continue on 95 itself without looping around trenton and taking 195. Or exiting onto US1 and getting on the turnpike itself that way.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on October 20, 2011, 03:31:42 PM
Similar situation to the MO 7 and MO 13 expressways where 3 traffic lights in Clinton are the only stops between Kansas City and Springfield.
Nitpick: You forgot the stop sign for the Kansas City to Springfield direction at the US 71 interchange with MO 13:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=38.61739,-94.349363&spn=0.007083,0.016512&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=38.61739,-94.349363&panoid=QJr2KY8Xr2bX0FubZO2OKg&cbp=12,346.44,,0,2.05 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=38.61739,-94.349363&spn=0.007083,0.016512&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=38.61739,-94.349363&panoid=QJr2KY8Xr2bX0FubZO2OKg&cbp=12,346.44,,0,2.05)
You could also count the lights on 71/Watkins around KC or the lights on MO 13 near I-44.
If it counts, the Garden State Parkway in Cape May Court House (exits 9-11) acts sort of like a boulevard. Exits 9-11 are at-grade with traffic signals.
I-78 approaching the Holland Tunnel.
Not quite like Breezewood but in line with some other examples in this thread: US 33 in Nelsonville, OH. It's the only non-expressway portion* of US 33 between Columbus and the WV state line. Bypass currently under construction; I'm unsure when it's going to open. (*Unless you count the junction with OH 124 & OH 833, where US 33 exits itself onto another expressway – which is kind of like half a Breezewood I guess...)
Quote from: vtk on October 21, 2011, 12:06:13 AM
Not quite like Breezewood but in line with some other examples in this thread: US 33 in Nelsonville, OH. It's the only non-expressway portion* of US 33 between Columbus and the WV state line. Bypass currently under construction; I'm unsure when it's going to open. (*Unless you count the junction with OH 124 & OH 833, where US 33 exits itself onto another expressway which is kind of like half a Breezewood I guess
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You do know that the sections of US 33 from Athens to Darwin and from (west of) Pomeroy to Ravenswood are just two lane roads.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 21, 2011, 01:09:54 AM
Quote from: vtk on October 21, 2011, 12:06:13 AM
Not quite like Breezewood but in line with some other examples in this thread: US 33 in Nelsonville, OH. It's the only non-expressway portion* of US 33 between Columbus and the WV state line. Bypass currently under construction; I'm unsure when it's going to open. (*Unless you count the junction with OH 124 & OH 833, where US 33 exits itself onto another expressway which is kind of like half a Breezewood I guess
)
You do know that the sections of US 33 from Athens to Darwin and from (west of) Pomeroy to Ravenswood are just two lane roads.
Two-lane expressways, yes I know.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 20, 2011, 06:20:15 PM
The PA Turnpike has plenty of other 'Breezewoods' other than the famous one. US 219, I-99, I-81...
And I remember taking a roundabout way to reach the US 219 freeway only for it to end nearly where I started.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 21, 2011, 01:09:54 AM
You do know that the sections of US 33 from Athens to Darwin and from (west of) Pomeroy to Ravenswood are just two lane roads.
Some maps erroneously show the Pomeroy-to-Ravenswood section as four lanes. I think they may have graded a four-lane ROW but just paved two lanes initially. It's been awhile since I have been there and my plans to drive it again en route to the Wheeling meet got scrapped when I had to cancel out on Wheeling.
The US-61 "bypass" of Muscatine, IA is kind of like this situation, but there probably isn't very much thru traffic.
Similarly, US-61/151/52 and US-20 in Dubuque are good examples of this.
Merced, CA on CA 99.
Quote from: national highway 1 on October 21, 2011, 10:36:01 PM
Merced, CA on CA 99.
I disagree with this. there are no places where the mainline has to come to a stop because of a traffic light. there have not been any traffic lights on CA-99 between Wheeler Ridge and Sacramento since 2002.
just north of Atwater is another place where the freeway drops to expressway status and there are some at-grade left turns... but I do not consider this to be the "Breezewood" situation because I know that I, as mainline traffic, have maintained a steady 75-80mph through that section of road without any need to stop.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 19, 2011, 10:57:39 PM
San Francisco on US-101 is the main example I can think of.
Would you say Route 1 on 19th Avenue/Park Presidio Boulevard fits this?
Though not really a case of it, a similar situation to what you describe for US 101 (though not created by a freeway cancellation) was US 40 between the Tower Bridge and the 16th Street Bridge in Sacramento in the 1950s - where the sections between the two were all city street.
Canton, OH: US 62 from SR-43 to about Harmont Avenue.
When you exit off of I-77, heading east on US-62, you are cruising at a decent speed up the hill past the Cleveland Avenue and SR-43/Market Street exits on a 60/65 MPH freeway, then about two miles of stop-and-go along a 5-lane throughfare (Atlantic Blvd. -- 35 MPH???), then back to a divided highway expressway all the way to Alliance at 60/65 again.
I gotta think that US-62 in Ohio has been treated as the ugly red-headed stepchild over the decades as there has been so many short expressway/freeway segments of US-62 that were never really completed and/or connected.
How about US 50 around Placerville, CA? It's a 4-lane freeway on either side of Placerville but drops to what I would consider a boulevard going through town complete with traffic signals.
CA Ca 14 North entering Mojave, it goes from 70 mph divded freeway to 35 mph Street in Mojave.
Also in Moopark, where Ca 23 and 118 meet, each one becomes a freeway in one direction and turns into a street in the other.
Quote from: NE2 on October 20, 2011, 03:26:48 AM
Key West on I-95.
Not on I-95, rather on US 1. I-95 terminates over 100 miles to the north in Miami.
Quote from: newyorker478 on October 22, 2011, 09:28:22 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 20, 2011, 03:26:48 AM
Key West on I-95.
Not on I-95, rather on US 1. I-95 terminates over 100 miles to the north in Miami.
What about the extension to Cuba?
We count also add US-30 and I-75 in Beaverdam OH as well as US-35 and I-71.
In Canada there no freeway link between A-5 and TCH-417 in Ottawa.
BC-99 got to surface streets in Vancouver to reach the freeway gap of TCH-1.
I70 has some traffic lights.
Yes, we know. It's called 'Breezewood', hence the thread's title.
I'll nominate Wyoming's I-180 :bigass:
Quote from: Bickendan on October 22, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
Yes, we know. It's called 'Breezewood', hence the thread's title.
I'll nominate Wyoming's I-180 :bigass:
I-180 Wyoming is all Breezewood, baby, start to finish.
I would say that from I-10 EB to I-55 near New Orleans and from I-55 SB to WB I-10 counts.
Brunswick. Even sounds kinda familiar, phonetically speaking.
There's a US1 freeway going out one end, and a freeway-grade connector to I-95 --
I-295, excuse me -- on the other.
And in between, 3 traffic lights in a bit > a mile on Pleasant Street. Which is not.
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Quote from: PennDOTFan on October 20, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
If it counts, the Garden State Parkway in Cape May Court House (exits 9-11) acts sort of like a boulevard. Exits 9-11 are at-grade with traffic signals.
How about CT9 in Middletown?
VA 150 in Richmond has a segment between the Forest Hill and VA 147 exits with at-grade intersections and a couple signals.
US 10 drops from a rural freeway/expressway to a surface four-lanes through a commercial strip (three signalized intersections) before it reaches I-39 from the east in Stevens Point, WI. US 10 then enters I-39, which it follows to its new Stevens Point west bypass freeway/Wisconsin River crossing towards Marshfield, WI. WisDOT has firm plans to bypass that street section of US 10 with an east bypass freeway, connecting to I-39 with a full-speed interchange, but it is waiting on funding.
Mike
What about I-74 transforming into Speedway Boulevard at I-465 near Indianapolis. It drops from a freeway to arterial through a tight cloverleaf.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 22, 2011, 09:11:27 PM
What about I-74 transforming into Speedway Boulevard at I-465 near Indianapolis. It drops from a freeway to arterial through a tight cloverleaf.
It is in final stages of construction, but when done, it will not anymore. Coming in from the west, I-74 meets and joins I-465. It does not continue east. Crawfordsville Road is now a separate interchange off I-465.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 22, 2011, 08:30:06 PM
I would say that from I-10 EB to I-55 near New Orleans and from I-55 SB to WB I-10 counts.
In that case, a situation exists for SB I-55 to SB-294 as well. One is required to exit at US-12/20/45 SB to get to I-294 SB. No traffic lights between the two though.
As for the Edens Junction (I-90 EB to I-94 WB and I-94 EB to I-90 WB), one is required to use surface streets with signals.
Well, in that vein, you have CA 57 SB to CA 60 EB and the reverse.
Quote from: Bickendan on October 22, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
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Several in Missouri:
* US 36 at I-35 - Seems MoDOT had been studying a fix for this one at one time.
* US 54 at I-70 - US 54 is a 70 mph expressway on either side of I-70, but drops to 45 with traffic lights at I-70. A bypass was considering during the I-70 improvement studies, but was heavily opposed by the services at the interchange.
* MO 179 at US 50 in Jefferson City
* US 50 just east of US 54 in Jefferson City
* MO 13 at I-44 in Springfield - The 65 mph expressway conks out a little short of I-44
* MO 465 at US 65 north of Branson - sure there's no stoplights here yet, but I'm sure one will sprout someday.
* MO 210 just east of I-29/35 - two stoplights and one partial cloverleaf short of a full freeway to freeway connection
* US 169 at I-35/70
Autoroute 5 is a freeway until it crosses the border into Ontario, where it becomes a busy and convulted 30 km/h boulevard (the speed later changes to 40 km/h) in downtown Ottawa, about one kilometre from a full freeway-to-artery interchange in Gatineau, about 2 or 3 kilometres from a partial freeway-to-freeway interchange.
Quote from: ethanman62187 on October 22, 2011, 01:26:01 PM
I70 has some traffic lights.
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Quote from: ftballfan on October 19, 2011, 10:27:40 PM
I'm sure everyone on here has heard of Breezewood (PA), but I can think of at least one city that acts like Breezewood.
I can think of two:
In Florida, where the Turnpike and I-95 "separate" for the last time (going north) at Fort Pierce, there's a Breezewood-style connection via Fla. 70 between the Pike and 95.
In Bellmawr, New Jersey, there's no connection at all between the mainline of the Turnpike and I-76/N.J. 42 except via N.J. 168 (Turnpike Exit 3) and I-295.
Quote from: ethanman62187 on October 22, 2011, 01:26:01 PM
I70 has some traffic lights.
Hey, guys, Breezewood is shaped like itself!
Eastbound I-676 in Philadelphia. You have to go through a couple of traffic lights on a surface street for a block.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on October 20, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
If it counts, the Garden State Parkway in Cape May Court House (exits 9-11) acts sort of like a boulevard. Exits 9-11 are at-grade with traffic signals.
Doesn't the New Jersey Turnpike Authority have a plan to reconstruct those at-grade intersections along the Garden State Parkway into grade-separated interchanges?
Apparently work may start in 2012, according to NJ.COM: Garden State Parkway traffic light removal project in Cape May delayed until next year (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/garden_state_parkway_traffic_l.html)
Would Interstate 78 between Route 139 in Jersey City and the Holland Tunnel fit this?
Another one that just came to mind: Emerson Street/Alt US 1 in Jacksonville, which is a short 3/4 mile gap between the Hart Bridge Expressway and I-95 (otherwise, Alt US 1 is a full freeway loop through downtown Jacksonville).
^^"78" in Jersey City would, which is why I mentioned it. :-)
(I don't know what was wrong with 78 ending where the Turnpike Extension does and the tunnel being part of "Business U.S. 1-9.")
Beaverdam, Ohio
The (almost) junction of I-75 and US-30
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=beaverdam,+ohio&hl=en&ll=40.830177,-83.978806&spn=0.037473,0.087891&sll=40.828359,-83.968034&sspn=0.018737,0.043945&vpsrc=6&gl=us&hnear=Beaverdam,+Allen,+Ohio&t=m&z=14 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=beaverdam,+ohio&hl=en&ll=40.830177,-83.978806&spn=0.037473,0.087891&sll=40.828359,-83.968034&sspn=0.018737,0.043945&vpsrc=6&gl=us&hnear=Beaverdam,+Allen,+Ohio&t=m&z=14)
In Miami, there's the 2.6 mile gap between the Gratigny Parkway and I-95 along Florida State Road 924 - which on its west end at SR 826 becomes I-75 north.
Quote from: sandwalk on October 25, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
Beaverdam, Ohio
The (almost) junction of I-75 and US-30
(link) (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=beaverdam,+ohio&hl=en&ll=40.830177,-83.978806&spn=0.037473,0.087891&sll=40.828359,-83.968034&sspn=0.018737,0.043945&vpsrc=6&gl=us&hnear=Beaverdam,+Allen,+Ohio&t=m&z=14)
Similarly, there's the interchange between US-63 and I-70 in Columbia, MO where MODOT didn't have room to put in a full freeway-freeway interchange when they upgraded US-63.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbia+mo&ll=38.960443,-92.291379&spn=0.013498,0.027466&hnear=Columbia,+Boone,+Missouri&gl=us&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6
A couple I noticed just looking around Google Maps...
- In Greensboro, NC...two involve Wendover Drive (a freeway between Spring Garden Street and US 220). On the west end, there's a 1.7 mile gap between I-40/US 421 and the start of the freeway segment...
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Wendover+Ave+W+E&daddr=Wendover+Ave+W+E&hl=en&ll=36.071025,-79.856272&spn=0.055431,0.079393&sll=36.058866,-79.866636&sspn=0.01386,0.019848&geocode=FXYvJgIdiPk8-w%3BFfpBJgIdxGw9-w&vpsrc=6&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=16&t=m&z=14
and at Benjamin Parkway, there's a gap of 3/4 mile between the end of the Joseph M. Bryan Boulevard freeway and the cloverleaf with Wendover:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Benjamin+Pkwy&daddr=Benjamin+Pkwy&hl=en&ll=36.092147,-79.822841&spn=0.027708,0.039697&sll=36.087743,-79.823742&sspn=0.05542,0.079393&geocode=FWvRJgIdHNg9-w%3BFRGwJgIdfe49-w&vpsrc=6&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=14&t=k&z=15
- In Gallatin, Tennessee, a one mile gap exists along TN 386 between the end of the freeway segment at Long Hollow Pike/TN 174 and the TN 109 freeway:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=TN-174+E%2FTN-386+N%2FLong+Hollow+Pike&daddr=Long+Hollow+Pike&hl=en&sll=36.386396,-86.482143&sspn=0.055208,0.079393&geocode=FZQ0KwIdvTvY-g%3BFdM7KwIdf3vY-g&vpsrc=0&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=14&t=m&z=14
- A couple of California examples come to mind. First off is the south end of the Glendale Freeway which is 1.2 miles away from US 101/Hollywood Freeway, a gap that exists due to the cancellation of the Beverly Hills Freeway project:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Glendale+Blvd&daddr=N+Alvarado+St&hl=en&ll=34.075697,-118.262844&spn=0.056804,0.079393&sll=34.074488,-118.262072&sspn=0.056804,0.079393&geocode=FRQoCAIdaoHz-A%3BFXjnBwId-mTz-A&vpsrc=6&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=14&t=m&z=14
- Something a little more artificial than that: when I-15 was rerouted off of the US 395 freeway at Miramar in San Diego in the mid-1980s, the old alignment was retained as freeway, but became city-maintained Kearny Villa Road. On the north end, it requires a half mile of surface street travel to get from I-15 to the older freeway:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Kearny+Villa+Rd&daddr=Miramar+Rd&hl=en&sll=32.892381,-117.120287&sspn=0.014396,0.019848&geocode=FVHb9QEd6PAE-Q%3BFQbq9QEd-e0E-Q&vpsrc=0&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=16&t=m&z=16
At the south end, drivers continuing southbound from Kearny Villa to Route 163 (also old US 395) do not have to stop, but those coming north from downtown San Diego have to stop at a light:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Harris+Plant+Road,+San+Diego&hl=en&ll=32.857563,-117.119708&spn=0.014402,0.019848&sll=32.857906,-117.121103&sspn=0.014402,0.019848&vpsrc=6&hnear=Harris+Plant+Rd,+San+Diego,+California+92126&t=k&z=16
In San Francisco, the I-280 Fifth Sixth Street exit drops cars off two blocks from the I-80 Bay Bridge entrance. It's a popular alternative route which is frequently congested.
http://g.co/maps/9ynzz
Quote from: flowmotion on October 26, 2011, 04:09:49 PM
In San Francisco, the I-280 Fifth Street exit drops cars off two blocks from the I-80 Bay Bridge entrance. It's a popular alternative route which is frequently congested.
http://g.co/maps/9ynzz
I actually use that every once in a while! This exists because the 280 segment along the waterfront from 3rd Street to where 480 originally first reached the Embarcadero was not constructed - a section that would have been three times the distance as the 6th Street to 5th Street route is!
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Another San Diego one, a quirk of geography - Mission Bay Drive near Sea World is a very short freeway, but there is one stoplight before getting to/from I-8:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ollie+St,+San+Diego&hl=en&ll=32.76133,-117.231245&spn=0.028835,0.039697&sll=32.759111,-117.22867&sspn=0.013985,0.019848&vpsrc=6&hnear=Ollie+St,+San+Diego,+California&t=h&z=15
U.S. 321 (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=u0321nanc), between Interstate 85 and the freeway beginning at Gastonia. Turn off I-40 and deal with signals and at-grades until the freeway beginning.
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=35.29948404332694~-81.18857552312754&lvl=14&dir=0&sty=h&where1=Gastonia%2C%20NC&form=LMLTCC
Quote from: pianocello on October 25, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Similarly, there's the interchange between US-63 and I-70 in Columbia, MO where MODOT didn't have room to put in a full freeway-freeway interchange when they upgraded US-63.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbia+mo&ll=38.960443,-92.291379&spn=0.013498,0.027466&hnear=Columbia,+Boone,+Missouri&gl=us&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6
Something like that near Denver (I-70/E-470): http://g.co/maps/zyeer
One I went through in Calgary in 1993 that is still there: the Trans-Canada Highway (Route 1) at Alberta Route 2:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=16+Ave+NE%2FTrans-Canada+Hwy%2FAB-1+W&daddr=16+Ave+NE%2FTrans-Canada+Hwy%2FAB-1+W&hl=en&ll=51.065646,-114.020319&spn=0.014968,0.027595&sll=51.066495,-114.025447&sspn=0.007484,0.013797&geocode=FY44CwMdCUw0-Q%3BFbw5CwMdph80-Q&vpsrc=6&mra=pr&t=k&z=15
Basically, a freeway segment of TCH 1 ends about a half mile from Route 2, with the interchange with Route 2 being a variant of the "volleyball" diamond design, and one at-grade (19 Street NE) prior to the controlled-access portion.
With the opening of the Route 201 beltway, this also occurs at the east end of the TCH 1 freeway portion:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=16+Ave+NE%2FTrans-Canada+Hwy%2FAB-1+W&daddr=16+Ave+NE%2FTrans-Canada+Hwy%2FAB-1+W&hl=en&ll=51.067021,-113.934338&spn=0.007484,0.013797&sll=51.066374,-113.932214&sspn=0.014968,0.027595&geocode=FYU4CwMdVpE1-Q%3BFfk4CwMdrHM1-Q&vpsrc=6&mra=pr&t=k&z=16
One at-grade a half-kilometer west of Route 201, before the westbound start of the freeway.
Quote from: Takumi on October 22, 2011, 08:53:21 PM
VA 150 in Richmond has a segment between the Forest Hill and VA 147 exits with at-grade intersections and a couple signals.
That section is an expressway, meaning limited access with at-grade intersections. The rest of VA-150 Chippenham Parkway is a freeway.
VA-150 becomes Parham Road in Henrico County, and there are no plans to make that a freeway.
The expressway section of VA-150 was a 4-lane upgrade of a 2-lane segment of VA-150, built on 6-lane right-of-way. It functions well enough that it is not worth taking out about 25 homes to upgrade the segment to a full freeway with at least one new interchange. Any future traffic needs can be addressed by widening to 6 lanes.
VA-150 Chippenham Parkway was built between I-95 and Huguenot Road by the late 1960s mostly as a 2-lane limited access highway with at-grade intersections. Upgrade projects to a 4-lane freeway between Forest Hill Avenue and I-95 occured between 1970 and 1982.
The 4.4-mile-long 4-lane limited access VA-150 Parham-Chippenham Connector between 1/2 mile south of Forest Hill Avenue in the City of Richmond and 1/2 mile north of River Road in Henrico County, was completed in 1990 as the 4-lane limited access VA-150 Chippenham Parkway Extension, which includes the Edmund E. Willey Bridge over the James River.
On Los Angeles's Terminal Island, the Terminal Island Freeway ends at the junction with I-710/Long Beach Freeway and the Seaside Freeway, with Route 47 northbound having to use a stoplight to continue on from the EB Seaside to the NB Terminal Island Freeway.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Terminal+Island,+Los+Angeles,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.760498,-118.238833&spn=0.007162,0.009817&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=54.928982,80.419922&vpsrc=6&hnear=Terminal+Island&t=k&z=17
Route 90 (Imperial Highway/Yorba Linda Freeway) runs as freeway for about 2.5 miles from Yorba Linda Boulevard southeast to Orangethorpe Avenue, but encounters one intersection (East La Palma Avenue) before reaching the Riverside Freeway/Route 91...where there are stoplights at that interchange as well:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=E+La+Palma+Ave+%26+Imperial+Hwy&hl=en&ll=33.857872,-117.791355&spn=0.013275,0.019355&sll=33.856197,-117.790861&sspn=0.013275,0.019355&vpsrc=6&hnear=E+La+Palma+Ave+%26+N+Imperial+Hwy,+Anaheim,+Orange,+California+92807&t=h&z=16
Like recent posts:
The west end of the Frank-Refugee Expressway (freeway part of OH 104) comes to traffic lights at the ramps to/from I-71. The east end of that same freeway has a traffic light at the interchange with US 33, which is a freeway there. Just north of that interchange, US 33 has a traffic light just before reaching I-70.
- US 176 is freeway from SC 56 to US 221 in Spartanburg - a stretch that basically covers all of I-585 - save for the junction with I-85!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Spartanburg,+SC&hl=en&ll=34.995973,-81.988091&spn=0.01343,0.021565&sll=37.801621,-122.283078&sspn=0.006477,0.010782&vpsrc=6&hnear=Spartanburg,+South+Carolina&t=k&z=16
- Although Business US 71 is entirely freeway from MO 249 to Carthage, its junction with its parent (US 71) is a mere diamond:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Carthage,+MO&hl=en&ll=37.176321,-94.348311&spn=0.026124,0.04313&sll=34.995973,-81.988091&sspn=0.01343,0.021565&vpsrc=6&hnear=Carthage,+Jasper,+Missouri&t=m&z=15
- The junction of Ellington Parkway/US 31E with US 31W and I-24 in Nashville is almost a fully access-controlled junction, except for one at-grade to enable access from I-24 west to US 431/US 31W north (and US 31W south to US 31) -
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Nashville&hl=en&ll=36.176076,-86.769376&spn=0.013302,0.021565&sll=33.937735,-118.387384&sspn=0.052695,0.08626&vpsrc=6&hnear=Nashville,+Davidson,+Tennessee&t=h&z=16
Hennepin County built two freeways (County 18 and 62) west and south of Minneapolis in the 1960s through the 1980s. They did not want to finance full interchanges with I-494 on those highways' south and west ends respectively, so the freeways ended adjacent to signalized diamond interchanges. About 1988, the state took these county highways over (now U.S. 169 and MN-62). MnDOT upgraded the U.S. 169/I-494 interchange about 15 years ago by adding loops but maintained traffic signals at the ramps; now it is building a full freeway/freeway interchange except for two movements (S to W and E to N) that were deemed to be lowest priority, omitted for cost reduction. The I-494/62 interchange is still a diamond.
I think the new Pittsurgh airport was opened in 1992, when it the orginal airport it had 4 lanes and traffic signals galore, then it was Business PA 60, it went from 55 mph to 35 mph.
Sad to say that one of the main functions of the interstates is to connect a major airport with a 4 lane highway. that did not happen until 2009. Today it called I-376.
Quote from: pianocello on October 25, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Similarly, there's the interchange between US-63 and I-70 in Columbia, MO where MODOT didn't have room to put in a full freeway-freeway interchange when they upgraded US-63.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbia+mo&ll=38.960443,-92.291379&spn=0.013498,0.027466&hnear=Columbia,+Boone,+Missouri&gl=us&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6
Didn't have room or didn't bother? I thought many of the I-70 rebuild alternates looked at at least putting in a cloverstack.
There are a number of places where there are no full freeway-to-freeway connections. I-81 at I-88 in New York, I-64 at I-70 and I-55 in Missouri, I-271 at I-71 in Ohio, and plenty more. Should they all be fixed?
no freeway connection from I-271 to it's parent? wow
Quote from: doofy103 on November 20, 2011, 03:19:55 PM
no freeway connection from I-271 to it's parent? wow
No
full freeway connection – or rather, no full interchange. 71 NB to 271 NB and 271 SB to 71 SB are full-freeway ramps, but there are no ramps from SB 71 to NB 271 or SB 271 to NB 71. What I find odd at that interchange is the SB 271 "ramp" to 71 SB is signed as an exit, even though there are no other choices whatsoever.
Funny we're discussing this today, as I just drove through there last night...
In that same area, there is no direct connection from I-271 north to I-77 south, is there?
Quote from: vtk on November 20, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: doofy103 on November 20, 2011, 03:19:55 PM
no freeway connection from I-271 to it's parent? wow
No full freeway connection – or rather, no full interchange. 71 NB to 271 NB and 271 SB to 71 SB are full-freeway ramps, but there are no ramps from SB 71 to NB 271 or SB 271 to NB 71. What I find odd at that interchange is the SB 271 "ramp" to 71 SB is signed as an exit, even though there are no other choices whatsoever.
Funny we're discussing this today, as I just drove through there last night...
This is a pretty common phenomenon. I know of at least four of these in metro Atlanta:
* I-75/I-675 (SB->NB movement via GA 138)
* I-75/I-575 (SB->NB movement via Barrett Pkwy or Chastain Rd)
* I-85/I-985 (SB->NB movement via GA 20)
* I-85/GA 400 (SB->NB movement via Sidney Marcus Blvd/Buford Hwy/Cheshire Bridge Rd)
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2011, 02:18:55 PM
There are a number of places where there are no full freeway-to-freeway connections. I-81 at I-88 in New York, I-64 at I-70 and I-55 in Missouri, I-271 at I-71 in Ohio, and plenty more. Should they all be fixed?
That depends on whether it causes a true network gap.
I-81 at I-88 in New York has 3 of the 4 needed ramps, so one more needs to be built.
I-271 at I-71 in Ohio has southerly ramps, and based on the network layout, it is questionable whether northerly ramps are needed. Physically it would be easy enough to build them.
Quote from: Eth on November 20, 2011, 06:49:13 PM
This is a pretty common phenomenon. I know of at least four of these in metro Atlanta:
* I-75/I-675 (SB->NB movement via GA 138)
* I-75/I-575 (SB->NB movement via Barrett Pkwy or Chastain Rd)
* I-85/I-985 (SB->NB movement via GA 20)
* I-85/GA 400 (SB->NB movement via Sidney Marcus Blvd/Buford Hwy/Cheshire Bridge Rd)
lots of these in California - if the two freeways are roughly parallel, the turnaround is rarely built. for example, you cannot switch directions at the north end of I-805 - either from 5 north to 805 south, or 805 north to 5 south. both ends of 405 in Los Angeles are like that as well.
one that I just discovered today - you cannot go from westbound 134 to southbound 101. they are, apparently, considered sufficiently parallel. (it's about a 60 degree angle) that said, you can go from 5 to 710 completely, despite it being a nearly identical angle.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2011, 04:21:13 PM
In that same area, there is no direct connection from I-271 north to I-77 south, is there?
I didn't notice at the time but correct, there are no NB to SB or SB to NB ramps at that interchange. Nearest freeways to make those connections are I-76 and I-480, I think.
Quote from: vtk on November 20, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
No full freeway connection – or rather, no full interchange. 71 NB to 271 NB and 271 SB to 71 SB are full-freeway ramps, but there are no ramps from SB 71 to NB 271 or SB 271 to NB 71. What I find odd at that interchange is the SB 271 "ramp" to 71 SB is signed as an exit, even though there are no other choices whatsoever.
Funny we're discussing this today, as I just drove through there last night...
Similar with the northern end of Mass. I-495 and I-495; no NB-SB direct access either way. Signage directs such traffic (probably not all that much of it) to use Route 110, which has full interchanges with both 95 and 495. 495 doesn't have an exit number for the default onto 95 though, as 271 does for its default onto 71 SB (which I wish was Exit 0 but Ohio doesn't do that).
Also similar to I-865 and I-65 north of Indy; no NB-EB or WB-SB access, but no one would make those moves anyway. They don't actually number the default of 865 WB to 65 NB, but one sign (common near Indy where a SR or US route joins 465 and virtually disappears for the duration) reads "US 52 West follow I-865 to Exit 0". There is no signed Exit 0 (or any other exit number for that matter) on 865.
Both SB-NB movements at 77 and 271 are directed to use OH 176/Wheatley Rd. to get it done; both involve taking that exit off I-77 SB and reversing course (then staying on 77 if coming from 271, or immediately taking the 77 NB exit for 271 NB if coming from 77 SB). NB-SB movements are more convoluted and involve cutting the corner of the triangle using 176/Wheatley and Brecksville Rd. in a manner like 495/95 Mass.; but the 77/271 situation is stranger because the Brecksville Rd. interchange itself is incomplete too!
Isn't there a missing movement at the northern I-65/I-465 interchange in Indy?
I-480 WB to I-71 NB and I-71 SB to I-480 EB lack direct connections (have to use the Jennings Freeway for both)
There is no connections for I-271 NB to I-480 EB and I-480 EB to I-271 SB.
I-670 EB to Oh 315 SB requires drivers to go through a traffic light at Dublin Rd (US 33). 315 NB to I-670 WB requires drivers going through three traffic lights along US 33.
If we're going to bring up partial interchanges in Columbus, there's a pair at the west end of I-670. There's no ramp from EB (unsigned) US 33T to WB I-670, or from EB I-670 to WB (unsigned) US 33T.* Also, there's no ramp from WB I-70 to EB I-670 or WB I-670 to EB I-70. And unlike I-271, I-670's west end doesn't have an exit number. For that matter, I-670's east end doesn't have exit numbers either, and that's a full interchange...
*US 33T is a kind of alternate US 33 that runs along I-670 from almost its western end to Dublin Rd at the Spring-Sandusky Interchange (exit 2A). The westernmost part of US 33T which is not also I-670 is signed as (EB) an entrance to I-670 EB, and (WB) exit 1A to US 33. Some older maps may show that portion as US 33F or Future US 33.
SAINT JOSEPH, MISSOURI
At the interchange of two freeways, US-36 & I-229, there is a stoplight on the mainline of US-36.
US-36 is a freeway for 4.5 miles west of this point, and for 7.7 miles east of this point.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2Fsaintjoe.png&hash=b47fbe47df0c45454730090d66b7e0e6e966379c)
An Ohio example I had not noticed before: OH 126 at I-71 in Cincinnati:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Cincinnati,+Hamilton,+Ohio&hl=en&ll=39.227034,-84.36337&spn=0.025332,0.045362&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.505328,92.900391&vpsrc=6&geocode=FY6qVAId7HL2-g&hnear=Cincinnati,+Hamilton,+Ohio&t=h&z=15
West of I-71 and on the short stretch to OH 3/US 22, all junctions off of OH 126 are limited-access...but at I-71, there are grade-level ramps with lights.
Orlando, FL where EB FL 528 uses Consulate Drive and US 17, 92, and 441 to access the FL Turnpike. Also, the FL Turnpike at the same intersection has two Breezewoods at Exit 254 and 255 to get to WB FL 528. The Sun Pass only 255 ramp has a signal where this ramp becomes the on ramp to FL 528 and the former uses Consulate Drive as well.
Found one over in Goldsboro, NC (while looking at the city on Google Maps as a result of reading about the new bypass route) -
The existing US 13/US 70 bypass of town (a freeway from Marshall Street to Pizza Inn Lane) comes within one block of I-795 (at two separate points!) but any connection from I-795 south to US 13 north/US 70 east requires a stoplight:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=35.394892,-78.006449&spn=0.022075,0.038238&sll=35.396956,-78.005977&sspn=0.022074,0.038238&vpsrc=6&mra=mr&t=h&z=15
How about from WB I-78 to I-476 and the NE PA TPK EXT near Allentown, PA? It uses PA 309 (that is freeway) to Tilghman Street (a surface street) and then into the trumpet to trumpet Lehigh Valley Interchange from a slip ramp.
^^^
Well, you CAN take PA 309 North up to US 22 West and get on that way. It is a little longer, but it is all freeway.
Can't believe no one mentioned the I-85/NC 16 junction in Charlotte! Depending which way you travel on NC 16, the transition from Brookshire Boulevard to the Brookshire Freeway occurs southeast of I-85, where you encounter a SPUI.
Quote from: mightyace on February 05, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
^^^
Well, you CAN take PA 309 North up to US 22 West and get on that way. It is a little longer, but it is all freeway.
Still have to leave the interstate system to make the connection.
Partial Breezewood:
The north end of I-476 and I-81, you have to loop away from I-81 and then loop back on the entrance ramp to 476 south
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
It's not a surface street but, it is not a direct freeway to freeway connection.
^^^
Uh, the Google link is bad.
Try this everyone: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.483843,-75.68121&spn=0.022006,0.014355&t=h&z=16
But, I don't see what the problem is it's a double trumpet!
Unless you were thinking of this:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.308116,-75.761247&spn=0.022066,0.014355&t=h&z=16
But that's not the end the turnpike.
An example that always comes to mind for me is the connection between I-680 and I-880 in Fremont, CA via CA-262/Mission Blvd. There are 2 stoplights on a road that is otherwise used as a direct connection between two major interstates, and also the most direct route from the East Bay to areas like Santa Clara. Traffic always backs up horribly at these lights during rush-hour, and I have no idea why this was never built as a direct freeway-to-freeway connection, since it is less than 2 miles long.
http://g.co/maps/mbx89
Quote from: jdbx on February 07, 2012, 02:47:04 PM
An example that always comes to mind for me is the connection between I-680 and I-880 in Fremont, CA via CA-262/Mission Blvd. There are 2 stoplights on a road that is otherwise used as a direct connection between two major interstates, and also the most direct route from the East Bay to areas like Santa Clara. Traffic always backs up horribly at these lights during rush-hour, and I have no idea why this was never built as a direct freeway-to-freeway connection, since it is less than 2 miles long.
http://g.co/maps/mbx89
What's even more fascinating: though the at-grades were never closed off, Route 262 (former southern segment of Route 21) was originally planned as part of I-680 from 1956-1965!!!!
Quote from: TheStranger on February 07, 2012, 03:32:23 PM
http://g.co/maps/mbx89
What's even more fascinating: though the at-grades were never closed off, Route 262 (former southern segment of Route 21) was originally planned as part of I-680 from 1956-1965!!!!
In a related vein, I remember that up until about 10 years ago, there were the ghost ramps across the I-680 southbound lanes just north of the CA-262/Mission Blvd interchange. They finally were demolished during the widening project when they added the southbound carpool lane.
Quote from: jdbx on February 08, 2012, 03:01:51 PM
In a related vein, I remember that up until about 10 years ago, there were the ghost ramps across the I-680 southbound lanes just north of the CA-262/Mission Blvd interchange. They finally were demolished during the widening project when they added the southbound carpool lane.
Those were for the canceled Route 238 freeway that would've paralleled/replaced Mission Boulevard (current Route 238, historic Route 9) between 680 and where the MacArthur Freeway ends (580/238 junction).
880 probably wouldn't have needed as much widening as it has received, had 238 been constructed to provide a second Oakland-San Jose link.
There's a developing Breezewood-type situation in Arizona: SR 85 is now freeway/expressway grade from I-10 to just north of Gila Bend. PHX-San Diego traffic is currently routed onto B-8 through Gila Benad, and current plans to construct the final 3 or so miles have been pushed back to at least 2030.
Quote from: brad2971 on February 08, 2012, 05:25:43 PMcurrent plans to construct the final 3 or so miles have been pushed back to at least 2030.
well, shit. I use that route all the time and was pleased to see that so much of it had been upgraded. I'd figured the last connector would be in place in the next year or two.
it looks like the connector which is signed as going to "8 east" serves a full interchange - namely, I can get on 8 west. I am not sure what is faster: the business loop, signed at 35mph and heavily patrolled with cops, or the connector, which is a rural two-laner, but essentially going backwards, and then making up the mileage on I-8.
I get the idea that the business loop is slightly faster, but far more ornery, and I'll likely drive an extra 8 miles just to be able to keep going at over 60mph and not have to deal with traffic lights and cops.
Quote from: mightyace on February 05, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
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Well, you CAN take PA 309 North up to US 22 West and get on that way. It is a little longer, but it is all freeway.
You can, but signage has you exit the 309 at Tilghman.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 08, 2012, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: mightyace on February 05, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
^^^
Well, you CAN take PA 309 North up to US 22 West and get on that way. It is a little longer, but it is all freeway.
You can, but signage has you exit the 309 at Tilghman.
Nice to know as I haven't been on that in ages.
Still, I'd go the way I said and #*$*# the signs. The signs are there for guidance, they aren't the law.
Hey, if traffic is light, I still take the old I-65 routing along the east side of the downtown loop (current I-24 by LP FIeld) instead of the real I-65 on the west side.
We all sometimes do not follow the signs. There are times when we take our own shortcuts too! Plus, I have seen where signs themselves tend to take people the long way as well!
Look at Southbound US 441 at FL 50 in Orlando, FL on strretview. You will see a sign for I-4 that points South on 441 rather than left on FL 50. The easiest way there is via 50, especially eastbound.
Then you have further south on US 441 (and US 17 & 92) at FL 482. You have a TO FL 528 shield pointing EB on 482 when it is only true for EB 528 as for WB it is the most direct, shortest, and toll free by staying straight for another mile.
What about the Garden State Parkway Southbound for US 22 Eastbound in Union, NJ. The best way is to exit at Vauxhall Road to access it. Yet the only exit for US 22 is Exit 140A and its for Westbound only! You have to make a u turn to EB via NJ 82. By the time you follow the signs through the loop around you lost a lot of unnecessary time and gas (that means money at 3 p;us a gallon) when all you do here is turn left for a quarter mile and just hop on US 22 EB there.
Quote from: mightyace on February 08, 2012, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 08, 2012, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: mightyace on February 05, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
^^^
Well, you CAN take PA 309 North up to US 22 West and get on that way. It is a little longer, but it is all freeway.
You can, but signage has you exit the 309 at Tilghman.
Nice to know as I haven't been on that in ages.
Still, I'd go the way I said and #*$*# the signs. The signs are there for guidance, they aren't the law.
PennDOT's videolog (May 2010) shows tiny signs posted by the Turnpike at both the Tilghman and US 22 gores. Larger green signs do point you down Tilghman.
Would US 78 (future I-22) where it crosses the MS/TN border outside of Memphis qualify?
^^^
I would say no as that's not intended to be the "permanent" solution.
Quote from: mightyace on February 10, 2012, 01:30:26 PM
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I would say no as that's not intended to be the "permanent" solution.
Or an interstate. A non-freeway highway does not count as having an outlier surface intersection on an otherwise complete freeway.
Quote from: kphoger on February 10, 2012, 02:04:15 PM
Or an interstate. A non-freeway highway does not count as having an outlier surface intersection on an otherwise complete freeway.
I'd consider it a Breezewood if it's pretty blatant - like US-50 having a single traffic light in Placerville on an otherwise continuous freeway segment that is 45 miles to Sacramento and 15 to Pollock Pines.
But you said it yourself: 'an otherwise continuous freeway segment'.
That section of non-freeway US-78 is 6½ miles long.
West Rogers Lane in Lawton, OK is a brief freeway for US 62 on the south edge of Fort Sill, but has a 3/4 mile gap between a conventional interchange with I-44/US 281 and the east end of the limited-access route:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=NW+Rogers+Ln&daddr=NW+Rogers+Ln&hl=en&ll=34.638187,-98.394156&spn=0.024646,0.032616&sll=34.638372,-98.403715&sspn=0.006161,0.008154&geocode=FcSIEAIdBoMi-g%3BFS6IEAIdDrci-g&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=h&z=15
I know that this does not qualify as one, but if you go from I-287 EB to the SB Hutch in Westchester County, NY; you will encounter a stoplight that regulates traffic between two different ramps. It is not off freeway, it is not on freeway, but nonetheless a traffic signal encountered going between two different freeways.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 16, 2012, 06:48:16 PM
I know that this does not qualify as one, but if you go from I-287 EB to the SB Hutch in Westchester County, NY; you will encounter a stoplight that regulates traffic between two different ramps. It is not off freeway, it is not on freeway, but nonetheless a traffic signal encountered going between two different freeways.
It's more of a "missed connection" situation. At some point NY 17/I-86 will have just one stoplight left on the entire route (if it's not already the case).
Quote from: Steve on February 17, 2012, 12:33:58 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 16, 2012, 06:48:16 PM
I know that this does not qualify as one, but if you go from I-287 EB to the SB Hutch in Westchester County, NY; you will encounter a stoplight that regulates traffic between two different ramps. It is not off freeway, it is not on freeway, but nonetheless a traffic signal encountered going between two different freeways.
It's more of a "missed connection" situation. At some point NY 17/I-86 will have just one stoplight left on the entire route (if it's not already the case).
I think it was a way to solve a problem without major construction. When 287 was built, it did not have much traffic on it compared to today's standards. You could weave on the 287 service road with ease back then.
The same for the US 15 freeway in Camp Hill, PA where you have three stoplights with in the cloverleaf interchange with PA 581 going SB. One light is for NB US 15 to WB PA 581 crossing the SB lanes, the other is for the tight cloverleaf ramp from WB to SB (US 15 that is) that has no area for a proper merge, and the ramp to SB US 15 from EB PA 581 where PennDOT did not want to spend money to add a longer acceleration lane in that rights of way allow for.
How about the Hutch to I-95 SB and I-278 via Bruckner Boulevard in the Bronx?
Then there is the connection to I-678 to I-495 EB in Flushing, NY and going WB on I-495 to I-678 that uses surface streets.
It used to be a surface street connection between the defunct West Side Highway and the FDR drive in Manhattan, and there still is from the FDR to I-478 (Brooklyn- Battery Tunnel).
Having to take Valley Bl to Fremont Ave to Columbia St to Pasadena Ave to connect back to unsigned north end of I-710 at CA-134 and I-210
Route 56 at I-15 in San Diego...
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ted+Williams+Parkway+%26+Rancho+Carmel+Dr,+San+Diego,+CA&hl=en&ll=32.965251,-117.096255&spn=0.012692,0.014119&sll=32.964387,-117.094753&sspn=0.012692,0.014119&hnear=Rancho+Carmel+Dr+%26+Ted+Williams+Pkwy,+San+Diego,+California+92128&t=h&z=16
Freeway entirely west of I-15, and one more interchange just east of it, but it accesses I-15 via a signalized parclo interchange with two stoplights.
78 at I-5 is similar (traffic light from 78 west to 5 south), though it does not continue as limited-access to the west of 5.
I-64 to VA 199 near Lightfoot, VA has two freeways interchanging, but one ramp meeting VA 199 at grade there.
I-95 and GA 204 near Savanah, GA has GA 204 begin a short freeway segment to the east of a diamond interchange, where exiting motorists have the ramps from I-95 meeting GA 204 at grade with business driveways near the interchange and the freeway starting a few hundred feet to the east.
Not exactly direct freeway to freeway in both cases, but the Breezewood is on the non interstate in both cases.
At the south end of OR 217, in Tigard, OR, there are direct ramps from SB 217 to SB I-5 & NB I-5 to NB 217, but from SB I-5 to NB 217, one must go thru a light (although a right turn ramp), and from SB 217 to NB I-5, one must go thru 2 lights (although the road continues as Kruse Way, a surface street thru Tigard).
Quote from: Mark68 on March 27, 2012, 05:17:58 AM
At the south end of OR 217, in Tigard, OR, there are direct ramps from SB 217 to SB I-5 & NB I-5 to NB 217, but from SB I-5 to NB 217, one must go thru a light (although a right turn ramp), and from SB 217 to NB I-5, one must go thru 2 lights (although the road continues as Kruse Way, a surface street thru Tigard).
Kruse Way is entirely within Lake Oswego, not Tigard.
Would A20 E-W count. In the Bedroom Community of Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC just west of Montreal, A20 makes a change from Controlled Access to Arterial boulavard. MTQ (Ministry of Transport Quebec) has no plans to correct this gap in the Autoroute System. There are meny business and homes along this short stretch of road, as well as signalized intersections.
Below is the google maps link to view the section.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Vaudreuil-Dorion,+QC&hl=en&ll=45.377835,-73.994637&spn=0.106834,0.264187&sll=45.38531,-73.950005&sspn=0.10682,0.264187&oq=vaudre&hnear=Vaudreuil-Dorion,+Vaudreuil-Soulanges+Regional+County+Municipality,+Quebec&t=m&z=13
In another thread, Kacie Jane posted a link to a conventional road/conventional road interchange in West Nyack, NY...which is not far from this example in Nanuet of two limited-access roads with controlled-access junctions being separated by one intersection:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rose+Rd+%26+New+York+59,+W+Nyack,+NY&hl=en&ll=41.090753,-73.994336&spn=0.010334,0.016694&sll=41.09174,-73.992963&sspn=0.010334,0.016694&hnear=New+York+59+%26+Rose+Rd,+Nanuet,+Rockland,+New+York&t=h&z=16
The distance between the ramps for NY 59/NY 304 and NY 59/Palisades Interstate Parkway is 1/4 mile, divided in half by the no-median-break intersection with Rose Road.
(EDIT: I mistakenly credited kphoger. Oops, sorry for the confusion)
Quote from: TheStranger on April 05, 2012, 11:59:23 AM
In another thread, Kphoger posted a link to a conventional road/conventional road interchange in West Nyack, NY...
I did? Huh! I've never heard of West Nyack, NY........ Maybe I need some caffeine...
The US 23 Standish stub from I-75 to M-13, BL 94 - Exit 33 to Benton Harbor, I-79 termination stub at Erie, PA , The US 31 freeway ending at US 10, and the M-60 freeway from Spring Arbor Rd. to I-94
Quote from: kphoger on April 05, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on April 05, 2012, 11:59:23 AM
In another thread, Kphoger posted a link to a conventional road/conventional road interchange in West Nyack, NY...
I did? Huh! I've never heard of West Nyack, NY........ Maybe I need some caffeine...
It does exist, though. I don't recall the other thread, but maybe you posted a link without referring to the town's name? (http://binged.it/IdVx3N)
Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 06, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.
eh, they're probably the same person. I mean, we all know NE2 and hbelkins are the same person.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 06, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 06, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.
eh, they're probably the same person. I mean, we all know NE2 and hbelkins are the same person.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on April 06, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 06, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 06, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.
eh, they're probably the same person. I mean, we all know NE2 and hbelkins are the same person.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
Semolina Pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower.
(On-topic: Sorry for the misattribution!)
Quote from: TheStranger on April 06, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on April 06, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 06, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 06, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.
eh, they're probably the same person. I mean, we all know NE2 and hbelkins are the same person.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
Semolina Pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower.
(On-topic: Sorry for the misattribution!)
Kicking Edgar Allen Poe! :verymad:
Quote from: kphoger on April 06, 2012, 05:45:04 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on April 06, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on April 06, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 06, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 06, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.
eh, they're probably the same person. I mean, we all know NE2 and hbelkins are the same person.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
Semolina Pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower.
(On-topic: Sorry for the misattribution!)
Kicking Edgar Allen Poe! :verymad:
I am the eggman. We are the eggmen. I AM THE WALRUS! Kookoocachoo, kookookachoo.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 06, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 06, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.
eh, they're probably the same person. I mean, we all know NE2 and hbelkins are the same person.
I am myself, last time I checked.
Quote from: Brandon on April 06, 2012, 06:19:16 PM
I am the eggman. We are the eggmen. I AM THE WALRUS!
Here's another clue for you all... The walrus was Paul....
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 06, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
eh, they're probably the same person. I mean, we all know NE2 and hbelkins are the same person.
Quote from: Brandon on April 06, 2012, 06:19:16 PM
I am the eggman. We are the eggmen. I AM THE WALRUS! Kookoocachoo, kookookachoo.
Ha. Had a co-worker years ago who said I looked like a walrus. Or "wallarus," as a few around here say.
It's like Lenin said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZhPuDYqbU
SO. How 'bout them Breezewoods?
How about CA-152 in Los Banos? It's a freeway on either side of the city, yet has traffic lights within city limits. Similar to US-50 in Placerville, as myosh mentions.
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on April 07, 2012, 03:32:23 PM
How about CA-152 in Los Banos? It's a freeway on either side of the city, yet has traffic lights within city limits. Similar to US-50 in Placerville, as myosh mentions.
Not quite:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Los+Banos,+CA&hl=en&ll=37.06189,-120.845833&spn=0.089176,0.182304&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.010925,0.022788&hnear=Los+Banos,+Merced,+California&t=m&z=13
Route 152 only has 2 or 3 interchanges between Route 99 and I-5. (This will change when the Los Banos bypass is completed.)
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Dell+%26+Camden,+Campbell,+CA&hl=en&ll=37.273489,-121.949208&spn=0.011731,0.026157&sll=37.274565,-121.948628&sspn=0.01173,0.026157&hnear=Camden+Ave+%26+Dell+Ave,+Campbell,+Santa+Clara,+California+95008&t=m&z=16
The southern terminus of San Tomas Expressway at Route 17 in Campbell, CA is a diamond interchange, but 1/10 mile immediately after that, San Tomas Expressway has two interchanges in succession (Dell Avenue/Sunnyoaks Avenue and Winchester Boulevard).
Further north on San Tomas Expressway, in Santa Clara at the terminus with US 101...
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Scott+Boulevard+%26+San+Tomas+Expressway,+Santa+Clara,+CA&hl=en&sll=35.914135,-120.38398&sspn=6.110937,13.392334&hnear=San+Tomas+Expy+%26+Scott+Blvd,+Santa+Clara,+California+95054&t=m&z=16
Between Walsh Avenue and Thomas Road, the only intersection is at Scott Boulevard, 1/10th mile south of US 101.
Similar situation happens just north of there with Montague Expressway (which begins at US 101 where San Tomas Expressway ends), which has one intersection (Thomas Road) on an otherwise limited-access stretch from US 101 to Agnew Road that includes two interchanges (Laurelwood Road, Lafayette Street) -
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Thomas+Rd+%26+Montague+Expy,+Santa+Clara,+CA&hl=en&ll=37.386663,-121.960623&spn=0.011713,0.026157&sll=37.388657,-121.95631&sspn=0.011713,0.026157&hnear=Montague+Expy+%26+Thomas+Rd,+Santa+Clara,+California+95054&t=m&z=16
I may have missed it earlier in the thread, but US 41 in Henderson, Kentucky is already a significant bottleneck between I-164 and the Pennyrile Pkwy. Once I-69 is done to Bloomington, Indiana in 2014 (especially), it will look on maps as a realistic alternative between Nashville and points south to Indy and points north. I expect things will become a lot worse then. I drove through Henderson around 6:30pm a few weeks ago, and traffic was backed up on to the freeway portion south of the commercial strip, and I would guess the average speed there on US 41 was less than 10 mph.
Google Maps of US 41 (in Illinois) bottleneck in Henderson, Kentucky (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=henderson,+ky&hl=en&ll=37.871601,-87.568073&spn=0.066399,0.169086&sll=37.509726,-85.98999&sspn=4.269897,10.821533&t=h&hnear=Henderson,+Kentucky&z=13)
Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2012, 04:44:59 AM
We all sometimes do not follow the signs. There are times when we take our own shortcuts too! Plus, I have seen where signs themselves tend to take people the long way as well!
Look at Southbound US 441 at FL 50 in Orlando, FL on strretview. You will see a sign for I-4 that points South on 441 rather than left on FL 50. The easiest way there is via 50, especially eastbound.
Then you have further south on US 441 (and US 17 & 92) at FL 482. You have a TO FL 528 shield pointing EB on 482 when it is only true for EB 528 as for WB it is the most direct, shortest, and toll free by staying straight for another mile.
What about the Garden State Parkway Southbound for US 22 Eastbound in Union, NJ. The best way is to exit at Vauxhall Road to access it. Yet the only exit for US 22 is Exit 140A and its for Westbound only! You have to make a u turn to EB via NJ 82. By the time you follow the signs through the loop around you lost a lot of unnecessary time and gas (that means money at 3 p;us a gallon) when all you do here is turn left for a quarter mile and just hop on US 22 EB there.
Michigan has a few, with their most infamous being Fremont signed at Exit 118 on SB US-31. It is A LOT shorter and more direct from SB 31 via Exit 140 or even Exit 131.
From what I read on wikipedia, it says that I-90's last segment to be completed was in Wallace, ID. Furthermore, it stated, that the city's one and only signal is considered to be "The last stoplight on I-90."
The article was very interesting. It stated that I-90 was supposed to go through town and the city had to register all of its buildings as a historic landmark. That is why the interstate through Wallace is elevated. Though, from what I see on google, it really did not need to be elevated nor why would you even want to destroy the city in the first place?
Anyway, to get back on point, I am imagining with what was said in the article that the freeway ended at both sides of the city, and being that it is referred to as the last stoplight, that I-90 was actually routed through the streets of Wallace. Being we have I-180 in Wyoming and I-70 in Breezewood, PA, stranger things have happened.
The interchange of I-24 and TN 155/Briley Parkway near Nashville International Airport used to be a full cloverleaf, but now has stoplights as a parclo - though TN 155 is a freeway from there to about 1.7 miles northeast:
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Briley+Pkwy+E&daddr=Briley+Pkwy&hl=en&ll=36.110542,-86.721804&spn=0.011909,0.026157&sll=36.123057,-86.697922&sspn=0.011907,0.026157&geocode=Fdr-JgIdksHU-g%3BFeY1JwIdgx7V-g&t=h&mra=mift&mrsp=1&sz=16&z=16
From there, there are uncontrolled-access gaps of 1/2 mile (Venus Drive to Kenton Place) and 1/3 mile (Corporate Drive to Karen Drive) before the freeway-to-freeway junction with I-40.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2012, 10:59:11 AM
Anyway, to get back on point, I am imagining with what was said in the article that the freeway ended at both sides of the city, and being that it is referred to as the last stoplight, that I-90 was actually routed through the streets of Wallace. Being we have I-180 in Wyoming and I-70 in Breezewood, PA, stranger things have happened.
I remember it being posted as Business 90 in 1988. I think part of the deal about "last stoplight" was that once I-90 was open and there wasn't all that traffic going through Wallace, they took down that stoplight.
In Plymouth Meeting, PA I passed through the Mid-County Interchange on I-476 just today and noticed that to get on I-276 WB from I-476 NB you must exit at Plymouth Road instead of passing through a direct ramp.
One Breezewood situation that just crossed my mind -- the Huron Church Road connector between the Ambassador Bridge and The 401 in Windsor, ON.
Quote from: thenetwork on June 17, 2012, 01:46:49 PM
One Breezewood situation that just crossed my mind -- the Huron Church Road connector between the Ambassador Bridge and The 401 in Windsor, ON.
That's being fixed.
http://www.weparkway.ca/
Mike
Quote from: NE2 on June 16, 2012, 12:16:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2012, 11:14:47 PM
In Plymouth Meeting, PA I passed through the Mid-County Interchange on I-476 just today and noticed that to get on I-276 WB from I-476 NB you must exit at Plymouth Road instead of passing through a direct ramp.
Whoop-de-doo. Use I-76.
It would be better to be able to connect directly to I-276 West than to unnecessarily have to use a section of the Surekill Expressway, IMHO.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/6866462814/in/photostream/
This here may count as there is no current connection to the Florida Turnpike from FL 417. Interestingly enough, there is no assembly like this NB on FL 417. This photo is taken SB, most likely for Orlando International Airport travelers as there is a directional guide on nearby SB Boggy Creek Road at the entrance ramp to SB FL 417. Currently, those exiting the OIA merge onto Boggy Creek Road as the OOECEA has not yet even started on a direct access to Airport Boulevard from FL 417 and there is none NB on Boggy Creek.
In another thread, the interchange of North Miles Road/OH 43 and Warrensville Center Road near the now-defunct Randall Park Mall in North Randall, OH was mentioned:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5411.msg135042#msg135042
Looking a bit closer, Warrensville Center Road has one intersection (Aurora Road) in the 1/4 mile between the OH 43 cloverleaf and I-480:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=North+Randall,+OH&hl=en&ll=41.427066,-81.53645&spn=0.004931,0.007296&sll=41.437322,-81.540012&sspn=0.079402,0.11673&hnear=North+Randall,+Cuyahoga,+Ohio&t=h&z=17
Quote from: TheStranger on July 17, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
In another thread, the interchange of North Miles Road/OH 43 and Warrensville Center Road near the now-defunct Randall Park Mall in North Randall, OH was mentioned:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5411.msg135042#msg135042
Looking a bit closer, Warrensville Center Road has one intersection (Aurora Road) in the 1/4 mile between the OH 43 cloverleaf and I-480:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=North+Randall,+OH&hl=en&ll=41.427066,-81.53645&spn=0.004931,0.007296&sll=41.437322,-81.540012&sspn=0.079402,0.11673&hnear=North+Randall,+Cuyahoga,+Ohio&t=h&z=17
Still, I wouldn't consider it as a "Breezewood" situation, as SR-43 is simply a 4-5 lane road, and not a freeway. I believe that interchange was created because Warrensville Center Road was built over the railroad tracks immediately to the south of SR-43 and there was no real good way to maintain both a RR overpass next to a 4-way intersection in such a short distance.
I'd have to think K-10 in Lawrence, KS counts as a Breezewood-like situation.
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.
Quote from: kphoger on July 18, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.
The closest an interstate gets to a large body of water, is in Gulfport, MS with I-510 having its trumpet ramp to US 90 Eastbound over the Gulf of Mexico proper.
there is an I-510 in Mississippi? I'd assumed it was unsigned, but the internet turns up absolutely no info about it.
I now want to know which map shows I-510!
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 18, 2012, 05:48:37 PM
there is an I-510 in Mississippi? I'd assumed it was unsigned, but the internet turns up absolutely no info about it.
I now want to know which map shows I-510!
He probably meant I-110 in Biloxi, which ends in that trumpet over the Gulf.
Quote from: roadman65 on July 18, 2012, 05:34:10 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 18, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.
The closest an interstate gets to a large body of water, is in Gulfport, MS with I-110 having its trumpet ramp to US 90 Eastbound over the Gulf of Mexico proper.
Well, I-295 crosses Delaware Bay, which is an inlet to the Atlantic Ocean and future site of a multi-level stack interchange to the Guinea-Bissau Trafficway.
Quote from: dfilpus on July 18, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
He probably meant I-110 in Biloxi, which ends in that trumpet over the Gulf.
shows how much I know about the three-digit interstates!
Quote from: dfilpus on July 18, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 18, 2012, 05:48:37 PM
there is an I-510 in Mississippi? I'd assumed it was unsigned, but the internet turns up absolutely no info about it.
I now want to know which map shows I-510!
He probably meant I-110 in Biloxi, which ends in that trumpet over the Gulf.
I-110 also has a bascule span drawbridge over Back Bay of Biloxi.
Quote from: kphoger on July 18, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.
Doesn't interstate 8 piddle out to a traffic signal?
Quote from: Beltway on June 17, 2012, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 16, 2012, 12:16:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2012, 11:14:47 PM
In Plymouth Meeting, PA I passed through the Mid-County Interchange on I-476 just today and noticed that to get on I-276 WB from I-476 NB you must exit at Plymouth Road instead of passing through a direct ramp.
Whoop-de-doo. Use I-76.
It would be better to be able to connect directly to I-276 West than to unnecessarily have to use a section of the Surekill Expressway, IMHO.
Why does everyone feel the need to pick on the Schuylkill? Is it really (particularly between 476 and King of Prussia, which is what would be involved here) so inferior to the glorious roads of Hickistan? Y'all could at least pick on the Dan Ryan or the Penn-Lincoln Parkway occasionally.
Quote from: kphoger on July 18, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.
The closest example I can think of I-10 ending at CA 1 (PCH) at Santa Monica.
Quote from: national highway 1 on July 19, 2012, 03:56:58 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 18, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.
The closest example I can think of I-10 ending at CA 1 (PCH) at Santa Monica.
That is pretty close.
I-10 just west of I-5 in San Diego is not far from the saltwater of the Pacific Ocean either.
Curiously, I cannot think of any on the Atlantic coast of the U.S. that come as close to the ocean itself. I suppose I-90 in Boston, Mass. might just be the champ.
I think US 71 in southern Missouri might qualify:
at the Arkansas State Line, it's 45 mph and 3 stoplights along a 2-3 mile stretch, then goes up to 60, one more signal then 70mph expressway
Quote from: US71 on July 19, 2012, 08:13:47 AM
I think US 71 in southern Missouri might qualify:
at the Arkansas State Line, it's 45 mph and 3 stoplights along a 2-3 mile stretch, then goes up to 60, one more signal then 70mph expressway
Yeah, Bella Vista is a definite Breezewood situation. Even has the local fuckery over bypassing it going for it...
not quite a breezewood, but a "what the Hell is a traffic signal doing on this freeway!?": TX-71 in Austin coming out of the airport. all freeway except for one at-grade instead of an interchange. 70mph speed limit, traffic is doing about 77-80 ... and there's a three-second yellow.
I-37 in Corpus Christi peters out pretty close to the water, too, at a traffic light maybe 4 blocks from the bay.
that may be closer than I-10's end, which appears to be 4th street, before the tunnel. If it instead ends at Ocean, then I-10 is closer to the water.
Yeah but the water I-37 ends at in Corpus Christi is just Corpus Christi Bay, whereas I-10 ends at the ocean itself. Now if I-37 continued down SH 358, that'd be another story...
I remembered another:
Bruce Watkins Dr in Kansas City: sandwiched between 2 freeway segments.
what about I-710's missing segment? that's not signed as 710 along the surface streets, though.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 19, 2012, 07:00:35 AM
Quote from: national highway 1 on July 19, 2012, 03:56:58 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 18, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.
The closest example I can think of I-10 ending at CA 1 (PCH) at Santa Monica.
That is pretty close.
I-10 just west of I-5 in San Diego is not far from the saltwater of the Pacific Ocean either.
Curiously, I cannot think of any on the Atlantic coast of the U.S. that come as close to the ocean itself. I suppose I-90 in Boston, Mass. might just be the champ.
I-26 is pretty close to the bay in Charleston - I-526 is closer to the ocean, but when you get into 3di you can start with I-264, I-495 NY, and others.
I-95 is right along Long Island Sound. Is that oceanic enough? How about I-93 south of Boston where it's
right along the water? Granted these aren't ends, but they may be the closest an Interstate gets to the ocean.
Oh, I-95's terminus in Florida? Okay.
I see your I-93 south of Boston and I-95 along Long Island Sound and raise you I-5 through Camp Pendleton.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
not quite a breezewood, but a "what the Hell is a traffic signal doing on this freeway!?": TX-71 in Austin coming out of the airport. all freeway except for one at-grade instead of an interchange. 70mph speed limit, traffic is doing about 77-80 ... and there's a three-second yellow.
Construction has begun to fix it, same with the light at FM 973. Too bad the intersection with SH 130 is goofy and recently built.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 11:42:19 AM
I-37 in Corpus Christi peters out pretty close to the water, too, at a traffic light maybe 4 blocks from the bay.
that may be closer than I-10's end, which appears to be 4th street, before the tunnel. If it instead ends at Ocean, then I-10 is closer to the water.
The McClure Tunnel is not part of I-10. Technically, I-10 ends at the 4th/5th Street offramp (though it probably should end at Lincoln Blvd, which is also PCH).
Also, if we're talking about Breezewood-type situations, CA 71 has traffic lights at North Ranch Road and Old Pomona Road in between the two freeway portions.
I do not know if this has been posted, but the western terminus of I-40 at Barstow, CA has one with its I-15 junction if you go WB to NB and SB to EB. You must use Old US 66 (East Main Street) that is a surface street to make the connection.
Now granted those who come from the east going to Vegas, would exit I-40 at Kingman, AZ and use US 93 already. So that is why it is not noticed, nor missed. Also, if you come down from Montana, Idaho, and Utah you would exit i-15 at Vegas for US 93 as well to go east via I-40. Hence why nobody noticed to mention or even care to.
Nonetheless, it is a Breezewood.
There are a lot of places with such 'missing moves' junctions. One glaring one is at the Edens (I-94)/Kennedy (I-90) split in Chicago. To make the 'inbound to outbound' moves between them requires the use of city surface streets.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on August 19, 2012, 05:10:36 PM
There are a lot of places with such 'missing moves' junctions. One glaring one is at the Edens (I-94)/Kennedy (I-90) split in Chicago. To make the 'inbound to outbound' moves between them requires the use of city surface streets.
Mike
And in my experience, that particular street in Chicago is ridiculously busy with traffic moving between those two Interstates.
Common as they may be, I think we can call this a "half-Breezewood".
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 19, 2012, 07:00:35 AM
Quote from: national highway 1 on July 19, 2012, 03:56:58 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 18, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.
However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.
The closest example I can think of I-10 ending at CA 1 (PCH) at Santa Monica.
That is pretty close.
I-10 just west of I-5 in San Diego is not far from the saltwater of the Pacific Ocean either.
Curiously, I cannot think of any on the Atlantic coast of the U.S. that come as close to the ocean itself. I suppose I-90 in Boston, Mass. might just be the champ.
Closest I can think of is I-264 in Virginia Beach, which is probably about 4 or 5 blocks from the ocean.
There's no direct ramp from I-40 east to I-27 south in Amarillo (and no other freeway to take instead). You have to use the frontage road past a traffic light before reaching the slip ramp to I-27.
Quote from: NE2 on August 28, 2012, 12:42:25 AM
There's no direct ramp from I-40 east to I-27 south in Amarillo (and no other freeway to take instead). You have to use the frontage road past a traffic light before reaching the slip ramp to I-27.
I think that's like a ⅛ Breezewood at best.
Quote from: yakra on October 22, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
Brunswick. Even sounds kinda familiar, phonetically speaking.
There's a US1 freeway going out one end, and a freeway-grade connector to I-95 -- I-295, excuse me -- on the other.
And in between, 3 traffic lights in a bit > a mile on Pleasant Street. Which is not.
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Quote from: PennDOTFan on October 20, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
If it counts, the Garden State Parkway in Cape May Court House (exits 9-11) acts sort of like a boulevard. Exits 9-11 are at-grade with traffic signals.
How about CT9 in Middletown?
Absolutely ridiculous road. Heading north, goes from 65 to 55 to 45. 2 traffic lights (Washington St, and Arragoni Bridge connection), then back up to 65 a mile later. CT 9 would be a 3di (x-84 or x-95) were it not for that short stretch.
there are lots of freeway connections that require surface streets. some of them are pretty egregious (CA-56 at I-5, CA-56 at I-15, CA-78 at I-5), while others are so oblique that there is no point in building a direct ramp, like I-5 south to US-101 north in the East LA Interchange.
Many of the international borders with Mexico. In Laredo, I-35 ends just a few city blocks shy of the Rio Grande using the one way pair of San Ursula and San Dario Avenues to make the connection.
In San Diego, I-5 connects right to the border, but on the Tijuana side you have to go through city streets to connect to the freeway Route 1D or the Ensenada Road.
I believe the Nogales, AZ crossing was mentioned here or on another thread for I-19.
US 77 did have one in Brownsville using International Boulevard as its connection before the US 77 freeway was extended to the border. Even that has an at grade intersection prior to the new International Bridge.
are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?
I-15 at Sweetgrass, MT comes close - it turns into an expressway with no traffic lights or significant slowdown until Milk River, AB, a few miles up the road.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 11, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
In Laredo, I-35 ends just a few city blocks shy of the Rio Grande using the one way pair of San Ursula and San Dario Avenues to make the connection.
And southbound traffic must use Nuevo Laredo city streets for a few blocks, including a left turn, before reaching the Colosio bypass.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 11, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
In San Diego, I-5 connects right to the border, but on the Tijuana side you have to go through city streets to connect to the freeway Route 1D or the Ensenada Road.
I dispute this. While northbound traffic lacks a full freeway to the border, it appears southbound traffic has free access from the border complex to 1(D) a.k.a. the Scenic Road.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 11, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
I believe the Nogales, AZ crossing was mentioned here or on another thread for I-19.
And even the bypass (AZ-189) is not a full freeway.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 11, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
US 77 did have one in Brownsville using International Boulevard as its connection before the US 77 freeway was extended to the border. Even that has an at grade intersection prior to the new International Bridge.
Which doesn't matter anyway, since Avenida Acción CÃvica on the Mexican side is not a freeway.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?
I-15 at Sweetgrass, MT comes close - it turns into an expressway with no traffic lights or significant slowdown until Milk River, AB, a few miles up the road.
Then I think Sweetgrass should count. The only real reason Breezewood is a Breezewood is the stoplight. Plain old left turns don't slow traffic down, but stoplights do.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?
Tijuana (the 1D connection is debateable, but there's a full-freeway connection (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.53366&lon=-117.02236&zoom=16&layers=M) to Via Poniente/Oriente, a freeway straddling the Tijuana River). Port Huron. Buffalo, sort of. Lewiston. Maybe Loop 20 (Laredo).
Most that "should" be freeways have one or two at-grades: I-5 (Canada), I-81, I-87, I-91, I-95. Mexico tends to not have intercity freeways up to the border; 1D southbound only squeaks by because it runs right along the river and border fence.
Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2012, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?
Tijuana (the 1D connection is debateable, but there's a full-freeway connection (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.53366&lon=-117.02236&zoom=16&layers=M) to Via Poniente/Oriente, a freeway straddling the Tijuana River). Port Huron. Buffalo, sort of. Lewiston. Maybe Loop 20 (Laredo).
Most that "should" be freeways have one or two at-grades: I-5 (Canada), I-81, I-87, I-91, I-95. Mexico tends to not have intercity freeways up to the border; 1D southbound only squeaks by because it runs right along the river and border fence.
Debatable, I guess, because northbound traffic has side street access. But I don't see anything iffy on the southbound side. And I hadn't even considered the VÃa Rápida Pte. (what your map calls the VÃa Poniente–they left out a word).
Loop 20 around Laredo is indeed a freeway from I-35 to at least the interchange with Mexican federal highway 2; south from there, it is currently being twinned at least as far as Tamaulipas state highway 1, but does allow limited cross traffic in and out of industrial buildings. However, the Loop 20 crossing is only for commercial traffic, and is therefore of no use to the average motorist.
My google street view shows Mex 1D as a jersey freeway type. On the Northbound side, it has driveways a sidewalk and some right in and outs.
As far as Nogales is concerned, yes very true it is not freeway south of the border. However, some people on other threads and discussions feel that if a highway is to go some place it should go all the way. Plus someone did make a point about I-264 in Virginia Beach stopping short of the ocean as it does divide into 21st and 22nd Streets on this thread, even though it does not connect to another freeway either.
Even though the topic is about Breezewood, that is a city street connecting two different freeways, there are some that may argue in general that would constitute a Breezewood if the freeway stops short of a final destination. Not me, I would consider that poor planning as well as the Commonwealth of PA did, but me personally it would be, I guess, we should call it maybe a half Breezewood.
Now, the US 281 and I-410 (San Antonio Loop) Northern junction was at one time a Breezewood using two different connections. As many use one common roadway this had two completely different ones. From I-410 to NB US 281 and from SB US 281 to the 410 loop used San Pedro Avenue while the connection from NB US 281 to I-410 and from 410 to SB US 281 used Airport Boulevard.
Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2012, 09:38:14 PM
I-95
Why do you include I-95 as having an at-grade? I thought it was freeway all the way up to the border (looks like it on Google Maps), and connected to the NB 95 freeway on the Canadian side?
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 12, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
Why do you include I-95 as having an at-grade? I thought it was freeway all the way up to the border (looks like it on Google Maps), and connected to the NB 95 freeway on the Canadian side?
by the same logic, I-710.
Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2012, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?
Tijuana (the 1D connection is debateable, but there's a full-freeway connection (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.53366&lon=-117.02236&zoom=16&layers=M) to Via Poniente/Oriente, a freeway straddling the Tijuana River). Port Huron. Buffalo, sort of. Lewiston. Maybe Loop 20 (Laredo).
Most that "should" be freeways have one or two at-grades: I-5 (Canada), I-81, I-87, I-91, I-95. Mexico tends to not have intercity freeways up to the border; 1D southbound only squeaks by because it runs right along the river and border fence.
I tend to think of the ON 137 freeway as ending/beginning at the Thousand Islands Bridge toll barrier; while the ROW exists to make it four lane divided on Hill Island, the three at-grades will never be eliminated there, and I doubt it will be widened; Hill Island is a park.
so Via Poniente/Oriente is a full freeway? I'd never really thought of it as such... I've only driven it once and I seem to recall it having some driveways. so it's a Jersey Freeway in my mind, not a full one.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 12, 2012, 04:44:45 PM
so Via Poniente/Oriente is a full freeway? I'd never really thought of it as such... I've only driven it once and I seem to recall it having some driveways. so it's a Jersey Freeway in my mind, not a full one.
It's got continuous frontage roads.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 12, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2012, 09:38:14 PM
I-95
Why do you include I-95 as having an at-grade? I thought it was freeway all the way up to the border (looks like it on Google Maps), and connected to the NB 95 freeway on the Canadian side?
NB 95 has an at-grade: http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=46.138266~-67.774905&lvl=17&dir=0&sty=a&form=LMLTCC
Albion Park, NSW
Between south of Haywards Bay at the Illawarra Hwy [NR48] to the New Lake Entrance Rd [SR157 east] volleyball interchange south of Oak Flats station.
http://goo.gl/maps/QJsYH (http://goo.gl/maps/QJsYH)
From looking at Google Maps from Mex 1D to I-5 you must exit at Avenida Melchor Ocampo using that particular street to the first intersection. Then left on Benito Juarez yo Segundo into the complex interchange with Mex 1 to get to freeway again. Even that, I remember in 1988 there is a pedestrian crosswalk across Mex 1 NB Lanes to get you over to the east side of the entry plaza. https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.537656,-117.03266&spn=0.002135,0.005171&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=32.537488,-117.032463&panoid=atMT8eLPRhUVT4MAu2G_tw&cbp=12,156.56,,0,0.09
https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.539623,-117.035566&spn=0.002135,0.005171&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=32.539623,-117.035566&panoid=2bHrjEoEGiNCR4AAU5H1Ng&cbp=12,142.44,,0,0
Here is Mex 1D showed with a sidewalk and a driveway thus the proof that it is Jersey Freeway like agent said.
Looks like Mexico changed the traffic pattern judging by the satellite imagery. But why does Google show many surface streets in Mexico as freeways? It makes it pretty hard to find the real freeways.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 12, 2012, 08:57:13 PM
From looking at Google Maps from Mex 1D to I-5 you must exit at Avenida Melchor Ocampo using that particular street to the first intersection. Then left on Benito Juarez yo Segundo into the complex interchange with Mex 1 to get to freeway again. Even that, I remember in 1988 there is a pedestrian crosswalk across Mex 1 NB Lanes to get you over to the east side of the entry plaza. https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.537656,-117.03266&spn=0.002135,0.005171&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=32.537488,-117.032463&panoid=atMT8eLPRhUVT4MAu2G_tw&cbp=12,156.56,,0,0.09
Yes, northbound 1(D) has a Breezewood before connecting to the border complex. My point was that southbound I-5 connects straight to southbound 1(D) without any stoplights or cross streets; the first business access is 4.5 miles later (as has been mentioned, this is mainly due to the fact that the southbound lanes abut the border fence).
Quote from: roadman65 on September 12, 2012, 08:57:13 PM
https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.539623,-117.035566&spn=0.002135,0.005171&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=32.539623,-117.035566&panoid=2bHrjEoEGiNCR4AAU5H1Ng&cbp=12,142.44,,0,0
Here is Mex 1D showed with a sidewalk and a driveway thus the proof that it is Jersey Freeway like agent said.
The highway agentsteel53 was referring to is not 1(D), but rather the VÃa Rápida Poniente. If anything, it connects to federal highway 2. It appears to be a full freeway with frontage roads for several miles; Google satellite imagery shows some construction work, so it's hard to say for sure how far the controlled access extends.
What about US 71 in Kansas City, MO? Apparently the one snag, other than the Bella Vista Bypass, from keeping I-49 from being completed to I-70 in Missouri is those stoplights that locals do not want removed preventing full complete freeway through Kansas City, I think, creates a Breezewood between two freeway parts, even if its the same highway.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 15, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
What about US 71 in Kansas City, MO? Apparently the one snag, other than the Bella Vista Bypass, from keeping I-49 from being completed to I-70 in Missouri is those stoplights that locals do not want removed preventing full complete freeway through Kansas City, I think, creates a Breezewood between two freeway parts, even if its the same highway.
That road is a death trap. And it's not very efficient. I used to live in the hood at 71 and Bannister, and I worked on Blue Parkway about halfway between 71 and 435. I ended up taking Prospect to work because it was faster. The road that was built to bypass the original road is slower than the original road.
Quote from: bugo on September 15, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 15, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
What about US 71 in Kansas City, MO? Apparently the one snag, other than the Bella Vista Bypass, from keeping I-49 from being completed to I-70 in Missouri is those stoplights that locals do not want removed preventing full complete freeway through Kansas City, I think, creates a Breezewood between two freeway parts, even if its the same highway.
That road is a death trap. And it's not very efficient. I used to live in the hood at 71 and Bannister, and I worked on Blue Parkway about halfway between 71 and 435. I ended up taking Prospect to work because it was faster. The road that was built to bypass the original road is slower than the original road.
It sounds to me like the full freeway upgrade is needed. I wonder why locals are not allowing something that will make improvements to their own area's traffic conditions? It is like people in SE Pennsylvania only wanting the Blue Route to be 4 lanes considering that it will cause future traffic problems for them, that I am sure they will all complain about the second it happens.
People tend to want things for their community but want "the other people" to stay away from their roads. They seem to think that building it to only be 4 lanes will somehow keep "the other people" off, even though that idea is foolish.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 11, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
I believe the Nogales, AZ crossing was mentioned here or on another thread for I-19.
I don't know why I didn't think to look when this was originally posted, but Mexican highway 15 is not the least bit freeway-ish through Nogales. It's just a pair of one-way avenues with nonstop business entrances, stoplights, and on-street parking (OK, the northbound lanes don't have on-street parking due to the proximity of the railroad).
Here's one I haven't seen mentioned. I-71/US-35 interchange in Jeffersonville, OH.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Jeffersonville,+OH&hl=en&ll=39.618979,-83.599434&spn=0.051438,0.132093&sll=38.961912,-92.289383&sspn=0.012981,0.033023&oq=jeffersonvill&gl=us&hnear=Jeffersonville,+Fayette,+Ohio&t=m&z=14
Quote from: catch22 on September 23, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
Here's one I haven't seen mentioned. I-71/US-35 interchange in Jeffersonville, OH.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Jeffersonville,+OH&hl=en&ll=39.618979,-83.599434&spn=0.051438,0.132093&sll=38.961912,-92.289383&sspn=0.012981,0.033023&oq=jeffersonvill&gl=us&hnear=Jeffersonville,+Fayette,+Ohio&t=m&z=14
It's not in Jeffersonville. It's in Octa. Jeffersonville is the next exit up. And I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned already. (If not, um... good job?) It's certainly come up in several other threads for various reasons. The traffic volumes changing between I-71 and US 35 are quite small. I've driven through there on OH 435 (usually out of necessity to connect from US 35 to old US 35) and I can report it's not congested at all.
I saw the cloverleaf on this route (at US 61) mentioned in another thread - In Baton Rouge, US 190 is nearly a full freeway from LA 1 to LA 67...save for one intersection at Sanchez Street and several driveways:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Sanchez+Street+%26+Airline+Highway,+Baton+Rouge,+LA&hl=en&ll=30.508275,-91.17734&spn=0.015159,0.018518&sll=37.269174,-119.306607&sspn=14.323208,18.962402&t=h&hnear=Airline+Hwy+%26+Sanchez+St,+Baton+Rouge,+East+Baton+Rouge,+Louisiana+70805&z=16
I-45 NB to TX 1 EB and from TX 1 WB to I-45 EB in Webster, TX.
Oh, there is US 209 from PA 33 in Snydersville, PA to I-80 at Stroudsburg, PA. Why this is a Breezewood is cause there is no direct connection from PA 33 NB to I-80 EB and from WB I-80 to SB PA 33. You must use US 209. Spite the fact that all maps show that piece of US 209 is a full freeway, it is NOT! This part of US 209 from PA 33 to I-80 has three at grade intersections with two of these having traffic signals.
I have no idea why even Rand McNally has it featured as a purple line freeway or even the old Esso maps of the 1970s show US 209 as full freeway as well. I do not believe anyone brought it up here anywhere on this forum, or at least I cannot find an instance when it was. Nonetheless, two freeways with a surface road and two stoplights.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
all maps show that piece of US 209 is a full freeway
Nope. (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.967&lon=-75.2389&zoom=13&layers=M)
This is probably a case where it would be a bloody waste of money to build bridges.
Quote from: NE2 on October 20, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
all maps show that piece of US 209 is a full freeway
Nope. (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.967&lon=-75.2389&zoom=13&layers=M)
This is probably a case where it would be a bloody waste of money to build bridges.
Show me what maps. I would like to see, not to prove you wrong, but I would like to see someone get it right! All my Rand McNallys and other paper maps including PennDOTs maps from the Welcome Centers show US 209 as full freeway.
Quote from: NE2 on October 20, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
[ url=http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.967&lon=-75.2389&zoom=13&layers=M]Nope.[/url]
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Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
Oh, there is US 209 from PA 33 in Snydersville, PA to I-80 at Stroudsburg, PA. Why this is a Breezewood is cause there is no direct connection from PA 33 NB to I-80 EB and from WB I-80 to SB PA 33. You must use US 209. Spite the fact that all maps show that piece of US 209 is a full freeway, it is NOT! This part of US 209 from PA 33 to I-80 has three at grade intersections with two of these having traffic signals.
I have no idea why even Rand McNally has it featured as a purple line freeway or even the old Esso maps of the 1970s show US 209 as full freeway as well. I do not believe anyone brought it up here anywhere on this forum, or at least I cannot find an instance when it was. Nonetheless, two freeways with a surface road and two stoplights.
Wait, what are the three at grade intersections? I only know of these two:
http://goo.gl/maps/Zu5Qi
http://goo.gl/maps/d5sfV (signaled)
Yep, only two.
Perfect PA-example of an "expressway."
US209 in the RM atlas shows it as freeway. However, I've driven it and most certainly has a light on it.
Considering i am trying to clinch every blue/green line on the RM atlas, it iritates me when a road isn't a freeway. But, then some roads are ALMOST a freeway, but get the orange/red treatment.
Quote from: Sykotyk on January 19, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
US209 in the RM atlas shows it as freeway. However, I've driven it and most certainly has a light on it.
Considering i am trying to clinch every blue/green line on the RM atlas, it iritates me when a road isn't a freeway. But, then some roads are ALMOST a freeway, but get the orange/red treatment.
If they are in an urban area,they are probably functionally classified as expressways.
I have seen also DE 1 around Milford on older RM maps showing it as full freeway, yet there are some at grade intersections including the eastern terminus of DE 14.
Some form of miscommunication here.
Also to note that older travelvision (Esso/ Exxon) maps showed the part of NY 298 in Syracuse between I-690 and I-81 as freeway, yet it is a city street. I believe that had to do with lack of movements EB to NB and SB to WB between the two interstates and Bear Street was signed for a Breezewwod type of situation, and I think still is.
I know this is not a Breezewood as far as this topic is concerned, but the connection in Palm Beach County, FL between the Sawgrass Expressway and I-95 could be considered one if you look at it this way. The Sawgrass Expressway along with part of I-75 are a bypass of the Greater Fort Lauderdale area, therefore I-95 even with the arterial section of FL 869 people traveling I-95, I am sure, are using it as shortcut to reach Homestead to avoid both Fort Lauderdale and Miami and the fact that I-95 does not go as a freeway past Miami like the Turnpike does.
Route 82 in Warren, Ohio is nearly full freeway for the entire stretch from Burnett Street to Route 11, except for one intersection right before Route 11:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Muirfield+Dr,+Warren,+OH&hl=en&ll=41.228765,-80.723977&spn=0.009473,0.017188&sll=41.228685,-80.726316&sspn=0.009473,0.017188&t=h&hnear=Muirfield+Dr,+Warren,+Trumbull,+Ohio+44484&z=16
Has anyone brought up US 33 at Ravenswood, WV yet?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?
I-15 at Sweetgrass, MT comes close - it turns into an expressway with no traffic lights or significant slowdown until Milk River, AB, a few miles up the road.
Let's see (west to east)....
- I-5 <-> BC 99- Blaine, WA/White Rock, BC (Peace Arch)(*NO* trucks)
- I-69/94 <-> ON 402 - Port Huron, MI/Sarnia, ON (Blue Water Bridge)
- I-75/96 <-> ON 401(under construction) - Detroit, MI/Windsor, ON (Ambassador Bridge)
- I-190 <-> ON QEW - Buffalo, NY/Fort Erie, ON (Peace Bridge)(close call, actually)
- I-190 <-> ON 405 - Queenston-Lewiston Bridge
- I-81 <-> ON 401 - Thousand Islands
- I-87 <-> PQ A-15 - Champlain, NY
- I-89 <-> PQ A-35(under construction)
- I-91 <-> PQ A-55 - Derby Line, VT/Stanstead, QC
- I-95 <-> NB 95 - Houlton, ME
Anyways, back to the topic of the thread, the otherwise mostly freeway WI 26 has 'Breezewood' situations at its junctions with both I-39/90 in Janesville, WI and I-94 in Johnson Creek, WI. Yes, they are very annoying.
:banghead:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on May 31, 2013, 11:44:50 AM
- I-5 <-> BC 99- Blaine, WA/White Rock, BC (Peace Arch)(*NO* trucks)
- I-81 <-> ON 401 - Thousand Islands
- I-87 <-> PQ A-15 - Champlain, NY
- I-91 <-> PQ A-55 - Derby Line, VT/Stanstead, QC
- I-95 <-> NB 95 - Houlton, ME
These all have at least one at-grade intersection.
Quote from: mgk920 on May 31, 2013, 11:44:50 AM
- I-190 <-> ON QEW - Buffalo, NY/Fort Erie, ON (Peace Bridge)(close call, actually)
There's currently a plan to improve the ramps which would eliminate the at-grade access from Buffalo's city streets, making it a full freeway connection.
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- I-81 <-> ON 401 - Thousand Islands
ON 137 is a two lane road with at-grades and driveways on Hill Island.
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- I-87 <-> PQ A-15 - Champlain, NY
There's an at-grade with an all-way stop by the Canadian duty free.
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- I-91 <-> PQ A-55 - Derby Line, VT/Stanstead, QC
There's a traffic light at Stanstead, and another at-grade a few km to the north.
Looks like the NB 95 at-grade is also near customs. Not only does BC 99 have an at-grade just north of customs, but I-5 has a pedestrian crossing for the park.
No traffic lights on A-55 that I recall, but there are a couple at-grade intersections just north of Canadian Customs.
I was thinking of this: http://goo.gl/maps/8Vuym
Looking closer, there are stop signs on A-55... maybe the traffic light was converted into a stop.
I haven't been that way specifically since '08, but at that time, there was neither a stop sign on A-55 nor a traffic signal. So if something's been put in, it's been within the past 5 years. Next time someone's up in Derby Line, should be able to see it from the overpass over I-91.
US 58, albeit not between two freeways, is like this for a mile past the end of the Suffolk Bypass. You go from about 60-65 mph expressway to an extremely congested 35 mph boulevard with several signals, before the limit goes up to 55.
AK-1 between the Glenn and Seward freeways in downtown Anchorage could be considered this.
Why there is a stoplight on US 29-460 in Lynchburg between the 29 and 460 freeways is beyond me.
Quote from: Thing 342 on June 11, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
Why there is a stoplight on US 29-460 in Lynchburg between the 29 and 460 freeways is beyond me.
not quite a breezewood situation, but yes, I have wondered why freeway-to-freeway connections are not built with complete grade separation sometimes.
here in SoCal, we have 78W to 5S, 56E to 15N, and some of the 5/56 connections (I don't remember which). also, 2N to 210W, where the mainline has a metering ramp as it ends, and same with 67S to 8W...
and on 125S, we have a set of metering lights at 94, because that interchange was apparently designed by drunken wombats.
QuoteWhy there is a stoplight on US 29-460 in Lynchburg between the 29 and 460 freeways is beyond me.
That part of 460 between 501 and the 29 bypass was never limited access...IIRC the signal was added right before the US 29 Madison Heights Bypass was built. VDOT hasn't "had the money" to upgrade that section of 460 to freeway-grade.
Quote from: Thing 342 on June 11, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
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Why there is a stoplight on US 29-460 in Lynchburg between the 29 and 460 freeways is beyond me.
There's a plan to extend the US-29 bypass further south to hook back into the existing route somewhere near (a bit to the north of, I believe) VA-24. Remember the US-29 bypass there is fairly new as it is, opened within the past ten years. Perhaps the theory is that once it's extended, traffic volume will drop on the stretch you cite? In the meantime, I took a look at a map and I'm guessing the light is there simply because the people in the area north of the highway right there would have to follow a somewhat long and convoluted route out of there without that light. The interchanges at either end (US-29 Bypass and US-501) are incomplete interchanges, so implementing a RIRO coupled with asking people to ride the ramps to make U-turns isn't a viable alternative.
BTW, I note that traffic light you mention is a rare (for Virginia) use of a jughandle on the eastbound side. I wouldn't have realized that without looking at the map–when I passed through the Lynchburg area regularly, the new bypass didn't exist and so I usually came up US-501 and then used the old Lynchburg Expressway (then designated as the bypass) to connect north.
501 between 460 and the old 29 bypass is also a "breezewood".
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 11, 2013, 10:18:48 PM
not quite a breezewood situation, but yes, I have wondered why freeway-to-freeway connections are not built with complete grade separation sometimes.
I-470 and US 250/WV 2 at Wheeling.
Might be a good separate thread. "Freeway-to-freeway interchanges that aren't fully free-flowing"
in-912 / gary ave / In toll road.
I'm not sure if this counts as a Breezewood, but to get from I-495 to I-95 South (or vice versa) in Massachusetts, you have to travel on half a mile of MA 110.
Quote from: 1 on November 16, 2013, 05:40:51 PM
I'm not sure if this counts as a Breezewood, but to get from I-495 to I-95 South (or vice versa) in Massachusetts, you have to travel on half a mile of MA 110.
Yeah it does count. Any surface street between freeways counts. Even I-10 to I-55 (EB to NB or SB to WB) in Louisiana counts that is the same as what you describe.
I don't count it.
I think we need to come up with degrees of Breezewood. Something like this:
First-degree Breezewood: Continuing travel on a signed route which is expected to be a freeway requires turning at at least one at-grade intersection.
Second-degree Breezewood: Continuing travel on a route which is mostly freeway requires passing through at least one at-grade intersection that sometimes requires through traffic to stop, in a very short gap between two relatively long freeway segments of the route.
Third-degree Breezewood: Connecting from one freeway to another in a manner that follows a signed route or does not involve a significant change in overall direction requires passing through at least one at-grade intersection with a turning or stopping condition for the connecting movement in question.
Not-really-Breezewood: connecting from one freeway to another at an acute angle or otherwise indirectly such that only relatively local traffic would use a direct connection. I-95 and I-495 fits squarely here.
There's also connecting between two parallel freeways. If they eventually split permanently at each end of the parallel section, and there are no direct connections, it counts, but something like I-95 and Florida's Turnpike doesn't. (I-95 and SR 869 does, however, because there's no direct connection to the Turnpike north of SR 869.)
MN 610 at the west end is currently a "Breezewood". You have to take Maple Grove Parkway to get to I-94 with several traffic lights along this boulevard. MNDOT plans to extend MN 610 to I-94 in the future just to the west of the existing Maple Grove Pkwy interchange.
And for that matter, US 169 in the twin cities had two "Breezewoods". One is fixed, the other has no plans to be fixed:
1) US 169 at I-494/MN 5: Was a simple diamond interchange originally, however once the Shakopee bypass was completed, the interchange was "upgraded" to be a 7 ramp parclo with frontage roads along I-494 and still 3 traffic lights along US 169. Just recently, MNDOT fixed this mess so that all 3 traffic signals are gone, the frontage roads are grade separated, and a flyover was added for I-494/MN 5 west to US 169 south completing the US 169 freeway.
2) US 169 between MN 610 and US 10/MN 47: US 169 north of MN 610 transitions from a freeway (once the CR 30 interchange was completed in 2013) to an expressway. Once US 169 meets the Anoka city limits, it transitions again - this time to a boulevard through town and then turns west at a diamond interchange with US 10/MN 47. What really makes no sense is that MNDOT has plans to extend US 169's freeway status northward with a couple of planned interchanges, thus becoming a true "Freeway to nowhere"!! MNDOT should consider routing US 169 westward along I-94 and then renumber MN 101 from Rogers to Otsego as US 169 allowing US 169 to pass through the Twin Cities completely as a freeway (once the MN 101/I-94 "Breezewood" gets fixed that is!)
Quote from: pianocello on October 21, 2011, 05:02:23 PM
The US-61 "bypass" of Muscatine, IA is kind of like this situation, but there probably isn't very much thru traffic.
Similarly, US-61/151/52 and US-20 in Dubuque are good examples of this.
I don't get why US 151 through Dubuque has those 2 at grades in the middle of downtown Dubuque and everything else on both sides is a full freeway .....? No logic!
US 20 apparently is proposed to be routed south of Dubuque and across a new bridge as a full freeway in the future.
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on November 18, 2013, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: pianocello on October 21, 2011, 05:02:23 PM
The US-61 "bypass" of Muscatine, IA is kind of like this situation, but there probably isn't very much thru traffic.
Similarly, US-61/151/52 and US-20 in Dubuque are good examples of this.
I don't get why US 151 through Dubuque has those 2 at grades in the middle of downtown Dubuque and everything else on both sides is a full freeway .....? No logic!
US 20 apparently is proposed to be routed south of Dubuque and across a new bridge as a full freeway in the future.
That's if, and a big if at this point, IDOT ever gets its ass in gear to do so. I trust IowaDOT to do so, but IDOT is another story altogether.
Quote from: Brandon on November 18, 2013, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on November 18, 2013, 01:42:49 PM
US 20 apparently is proposed to be routed south of Dubuque and across a new bridge as a full freeway in the future.
That's if, and a big if at this point, IDOT ever gets its ass in gear to do so. I trust IowaDOT to do so, but IDOT is another story altogether.
Is that even necessary?
Quote from: hbelkins on November 18, 2013, 03:33:47 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 18, 2013, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on November 18, 2013, 01:42:49 PM
US 20 apparently is proposed to be routed south of Dubuque and across a new bridge as a full freeway in the future.
That's if, and a big if at this point, IDOT ever gets its ass in gear to do so. I trust IowaDOT to do so, but IDOT is another story altogether.
Is that even necessary?
Yes. The existing river crossing for US 20 is a historic bridge. It is only 2 lanes and cannot be widened. The talk of adding a twin span was discussed, however it was ruled that a second bridge at that location would detract from the historical value.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 18, 2013, 03:33:47 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 18, 2013, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on November 18, 2013, 01:42:49 PM
US 20 apparently is proposed to be routed south of Dubuque and across a new bridge as a full freeway in the future.
That's if, and a big if at this point, IDOT ever gets its ass in gear to do so. I trust IowaDOT to do so, but IDOT is another story altogether.
Is that even necessary?
There are plans for an expressway from Dubuque to Freeport, but IDOT has never gotten beyond the planning stages with them. Is an expressway (or a freeway) necessary there? I don't know.
Quote from: Brandon on November 18, 2013, 03:43:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 18, 2013, 03:33:47 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 18, 2013, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on November 18, 2013, 01:42:49 PM
US 20 apparently is proposed to be routed south of Dubuque and across a new bridge as a full freeway in the future.
That's if, and a big if at this point, IDOT ever gets its ass in gear to do so. I trust IowaDOT to do so, but IDOT is another story altogether.
Is that even necessary?
There are plans for an expressway from Dubuque to Freeport, but IDOT has never gotten beyond the planning stages with them. Is an expressway (or a freeway) necessary there? I don't know.
In the late 90s, the firm I was working were doing plans for US 20 from a couple miles east of the Mississippi River to just west of IL 84. It involved a full freeway conversion with 2 interchanges, with the alignment close to the newer WB lanes. It was in the design stage at that point, as I was designing the ramps and frontage roads for this.
Found out the hard way it was a low-priority project for IDOT as they were dragging their feet on the review part of the plans - what should have been 1 month at the most turned into 13 months and we were unable to meet the deadline for 30% plans as they were still sitting on the review process, and were found delinquent though it was clearly their fault.
Quote from: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:23:40 PM
I think we need to come up with degrees of Breezewood. Something like this:
First-degree Breezewood: Continuing travel on a signed route which is expected to be a freeway requires turning at at least one at-grade intersection.
US 10 on the east side of Stevens Point, WI?
Quote from: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:23:40 PMSecond-degree Breezewood: Continuing travel on a route which is mostly freeway requires passing through at least one at-grade intersection that sometimes requires through traffic to stop, in a very short gap between two relatively long freeway segments of the route.
WI 26 at Johnson Creek, WI?
Quote from: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:23:40 PMThird-degree Breezewood: Connecting from one freeway to another in a manner that follows a signed route or does not involve a significant change in overall direction requires passing through at least one at-grade intersection with a turning or stopping condition for the connecting movement in question.
Inbound to outbound (either direction) at the I-90/94 'Edens Split' in Chicago?
:hmmm:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on November 18, 2013, 09:36:53 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:23:40 PM
I think we need to come up with degrees of Breezewood. Something like this:
First-degree Breezewood: Continuing travel on a signed route which is expected to be a freeway requires turning at at least one at-grade intersection.
US 10 on the east side of Stevens Point, WI?
By "expected to be a freeway" I meant more like Interstates, Quebec Autoroutes, Ontario's 400-series routes, and similar designations. US routes generally don't carry such an expectation.
It shouldn't require turning - see I-78 in Jersey City.
Quote from: mgk920 on November 18, 2013, 09:36:53 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:23:40 PMThird-degree Breezewood: Connecting from one freeway to another in a manner that follows a signed route or does not involve a significant change in overall direction requires passing through at least one at-grade intersection with a turning or stopping condition for the connecting movement in question.
Inbound to outbound (either direction) at the I-90/94 'Edens Split' in Chicago?
Ahem?
Quote from: mgk920 on November 18, 2013, 09:36:53 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:23:40 PMThird-degree Breezewood: Connecting from one freeway to another in a manner that follows a signed route or does not involve a significant change in overall direction requires passing through at least one at-grade intersection with a turning or stopping condition for the connecting movement in question.
Inbound to outbound (either direction) at the I-90/94 'Edens Split' in Chicago?
:hmmm:
Mike
I'd say so. The movement is even signed on city streets (watch out for the red light camera at Cicero and Lawrence while you're at it) and signed from the expressways.
From the inbound Kennedy Expressway:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_2778.jpg&hash=bf206d9c90fc3f218a1d5e4cb42681b103bc2c9f) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_2778.jpg.html)
And from the inbound Edens Expressway:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_2812.jpg&hash=d7613baedd865bf4d57d08e7e2c8f1ddb1f79b29) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_2812.jpg.html)
Ah, so it is signed. It's still an acute angle, and through traffic will use I-294.
I actually drove that particular connection once. It seemed like the best way from Evanston to O'Hare. (I considered another route consisting of mostly city streets; I'd done that from O'Hare to Evanston a few days prior, stumbling across an apparently-famous Jewish deli in Skokie, where I stopped at the request of my hotel roommate.)
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2013, 01:19:50 PM
Ah, so it is signed. It's still an acute angle, and through traffic will use I-294.
Only heading southbound if one is using the Tri-State Tollway and not coming from US-41 (Skokie Highway). Going northbound, one must use surface streets as the I-94/I-294 interchange is also partial (as is the I-94/US-41 interchange). To go from northbound I-294 to eastbound I-94 (and from westbound I-94 to southbound I-294) requires the use of surface streets - namely a U-turn at the Deerfield Road interchange. To go from southbound US-41 to westbound I-94 (and vice-versa) also requires the use of surface streets.
Quote from: Brandon on November 19, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
Only heading southbound if one is using the Tri-State Tollway and not coming from US-41 (Skokie Highway).
Skokie Highway isn't a freeway, so no "Breezewood" here.
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2013, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 19, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
Only heading southbound if one is using the Tri-State Tollway and not coming from US-41 (Skokie Highway).
Skokie Highway isn't a freeway, so no "Breezewood" here.
The freeway exists for a few miles north of the interchange before becoming a divided highway, thus, yes, there is a "Breezewood" there.
^^ Hardly. The freeway extends north to Park Avenue in Highland Park. That's fact, not opinion, man. :pan:
Last sign before Park Avenue (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.187702,-87.822454&spn=0.004166,0.021136&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.186692,-87.823787&panoid=4E-sb6woe9oqkJtrBtbAbw&cbp=12,327.89,,1,-2.13).
And heading southbound from Park Avenue (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.188163,-87.825201&spn=0.009237,0.021136&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.188245,-87.825254&panoid=qiLXyF1k-qCxlO6kRN9JMg&cbp=12,155.38,,1,2.47). Note the freeway-type prohibition sign on the right.
Aerial of I-94 and US-41 (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.146796,-87.797928&spn=0.036973,0.084543&t=h&z=14).
Aerial of I-94 and I-294 (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.154878,-87.870798&spn=0.036969,0.084543&t=h&z=14).
Aerial of the Montrose (aka Edens) Junction (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.971871,-87.756987&spn=0.037075,0.084543&t=h&z=14). The Kennedy Expressway (I-90) takes a turn to the south between Nagle and Austin.
Surface street signage on the Lawrence exit ramp off the inbound Kennedy (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.968058,-87.756879&spn=0.004635,0.010568&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.968006,-87.75681&panoid=BfFBulZyAIAI2dADhmloxA&cbp=12,136.77,,1,0.78).
Signage at Cicero and Lawrence (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.968034,-87.748135&spn=0.004635,0.010568&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.968039,-87.747858&panoid=zUe-D7VbyGG_Xa2ESWxsjA&cbp=12,114.99,,1,2.47).
Signage at Cicero and Foster (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.974918,-87.747985&spn=0.004634,0.010568&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.974802,-87.747979&panoid=nS82H4SSEfkqbGa1j3cuCw&cbp=12,16.6,,2,1.94). The ramp to the outbound Edens is off Foster.
Going the other way, Cicero and Foster (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.975644,-87.748001&spn=0.002317,0.005284&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.975733,-87.748002&panoid=P4I73H37ajbFhqJCGUmTZw&cbp=12,197.32,,0,6.85). Foster has an interchange with the Kennedy allowing one to go outbound.
Your opinion that a short freeway stub miles away makes it a so-called "Breezewood". When you save five miles and probably congestion by cutting west to the Tri-State rather than getting on the stub in the first place.
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
Your opinion that a short freeway stub miles away makes it a so-called "Breezewood". When you save five miles and probably congestion by cutting west to the Tri-State rather than getting on the stub in the first place.
I take it you have never tried to drive there. I'm just telling you what it is, not what you want to believe.
Show me a definition of "Breezewood" in a reputable dictionary. Yawn.
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2013, 04:54:30 PM
Show me a definition of "Breezewood" in a reputable dictionary. Yawn.
SPUI, like I said in another thread, feck off. "Breezewood" is a roadgeek term, and we have defined it and variations of it here.
We. I'm part of we. It's not like I'm black or anything.
How about I-495 (or the lack thereof) across Manhattan? You drive through the Midtown Tunnel, get dumped onto the city streets with a whole batch of traffic lights, and then go through the Lincoln Tunnel to New Jersey where NJ 495 is an expressway.
Also, for tall trucks, I-278 coming off the RFK Bridge into Queens. Tall trucks get forced off onto Astoria Boulevard where they have to go through a batch of traffic lights before getting onto the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway.
QuoteWhat really makes no sense is that MNDOT has plans to extend US 169's freeway status northward with a couple of planned interchanges,
They do? News to me...
QuoteMNDOT should consider routing US 169 westward along I-94 and then renumber MN 101 from Rogers to Otsego as US 169 allowing US 169 to pass through the Twin Cities completely as a freeway
This got discussed a few months ago in one of the Fictional threads. I just don't see it as necessary.
Quote from: froggie on November 20, 2013, 09:23:48 AM
QuoteWhat really makes no sense is that MNDOT has plans to extend US 169's freeway status northward with a couple of planned interchanges,
They do? News to me...
QuoteMNDOT should consider routing US 169 westward along I-94 and then renumber MN 101 from Rogers to Otsego as US 169 allowing US 169 to pass through the Twin Cities completely as a freeway
This got discussed a few months ago in one of the Fictional threads. I just don't see it as necessary.
The idea is so that US 169 does not have to go through downtown Anoka. Also would get rid of the US 10 multiplex of US 169 and MN 47 could then also be rerouted down to I-94/494/US 169. I guess it is not necessary though as you point out.
I'm thinking the Interstate 70 Connector at the intersection of I-70 and US 63 in Columbia, MO, qualifies as a Breezewood type situation. To get from one highway to the other, one must use the connector. I'm pretty sure future plans include directional ramps between the two highways.
Quote from: m2tbone on December 04, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
I'm thinking the Interstate 70 Connector at the intersection of I-70 and US 63 in Columbia, MO, qualifies as a Breezewood type situation. To get from one highway to the other, one must use the connector. I'm pretty sure future plans include directional ramps between the two highways.
I think that would barely be a third degree Breezewood; those two highways are basically perpendicular, right?
Quote from: vtk on December 04, 2013, 10:31:04 PM
I think that would barely be a third degree Breezewood; those two highways are basically perpendicular, right?
Yes, but it's part of the fastest route between Missouri's largest city and capital. Given how the Missouri River curves, I-70 could have been built via Boonville-Columbia-Jeff City-Pacific (compare to I-40 across Arkansas).
Serves me right for not looking at a map...
Quote from: vtk on December 05, 2013, 12:11:58 AM
Serves me right for not looking at a map
Quote from: vtk on December 04, 2013, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: m2tbone on December 04, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
I'm thinking the Interstate 70 Connector at the intersection of I-70 and US 63 in Columbia, MO, qualifies as a Breezewood type situation. To get from one highway to the other, one must use the connector. I'm pretty sure future plans include directional ramps between the two highways.
I think that would barely be a third degree Breezewood; those two highways are basically perpendicular, right?
US 36 at I-229 would be a similar occurrence as US 36 is a freeway on both sides of I-229, however the interchange between the two freeways is a diamond interchange.
Quote from: Brandon on November 19, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2013, 01:19:50 PM
Ah, so it is signed. It's still an acute angle, and through traffic will use I-294.
Only heading southbound if one is using the Tri-State Tollway and not coming from US-41 (Skokie Highway). Going northbound, one must use surface streets as the I-94/I-294 interchange is also partial (as is the I-94/US-41 interchange). To go from northbound I-294 to eastbound I-94 (and from westbound I-94 to southbound I-294) requires the use of surface streets - namely a U-turn at the Deerfield Road interchange. To go from southbound US-41 to westbound I-94 (and vice-versa) also requires the use of surface streets.
My specific gripe with this interchange is that the connecting route on the surface streets is very poorly marked. Yes, there are I-90 (or I-94) shields and arrows showing every place you need to turn on Cicero and Lawrence, but given that this is a replacement for a freeway ramp, you would think that they would use relatively large signs to show you the way.
Another gripe is that the surface street routing requires me to remember that I want I-94 west. I'm heading from O'Hare to the north suburbs and I want to connect to the Edens Expy, which is basically N-S all the way to Milwaukee, yet I need to follow small signs on surface streets that only say I-94 west. No name for the expressway. No control cities. Relatively small signs that I'd expect at the junction of two rural roads, not a freeway substitute. Especially considering that a lot of the traffic is coming from O'Hare so they're likely tourists who may be unfamiliar with the route.
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Nobody needs to make the missing moves at the other 90/94 interchange on the south side, because the Dan Ryan traffic can continue to the Borman to get to Indiana. Nobody will leave the Dan Ryan to connect at surface streets to reach the Skyway.
Upthread, someone mentioned the 101/134/170 missing moves in North Hollywood, CA. Having grown up in the Hollywood area, I'm very familiar with this interchange. Yet, even those who are not, can make the missing moves easily because of easy to follow signs on the freeways and on the surface streets as well.
When I lived in Los Angeles, I lived in the Hollywood area. The closest freeway on-ramp to my house was at 101 and Highland Avenue. Despite how comprehensive the LA freeway system was, If I entered either 101 north or 101 south at this point, the following freeways could not be reached without significant backtracking or utilizing a Breezewood (exiting and taking surface streets to make the connection):
The entire 134 freeway.
The 210 freeway from CA-118 in Pacoima to I-605 in Irwindale.
The I-5 Golden State Freeway from East L.A. interchange to Sun Valley (I-5/170 split).
The entire CA-2 Glendale Freeway.
My main Breezewoods to resolve this:
US 101 - 134 connection via Universal City streets. Vineland Ave is recommended by Caltrans.
Driving surface streets to reach I-5 at Los Feliz.
Taking the 101 to Alvarado and using the Alvarado Breezewood to connect to CA-2.
Taking the 101 to 110 and driving surface streets in Pasadena (Colorado-Marengo) to reach 210 or 134.
Taking the 101 to 10 to 710 and driving the 710 surface Breezewood (Valley-Fremont-Columbia-Pasadena to 710 stub)
[This actually came up in a conversation a few years ago. I was trying to reach a friend's house in East Glendale near the 2 and 134 interchange. We discussed it and figured out there was no way to get to his house without taking the freeway, exiting, and then getting back on the freeway. I believe I used Alvarado as my connection.]
US 33 at I-70 in Columbus:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Columbus,+OH+43209/@39.9286642,-82.920459,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x883887e1b8220b79:0xfed6b42a00a7dcba
That's the most minor kind of Breezewood, because there isn't one interrupted freeway route involved, but a somewhat interesting one because there are three freeways that don't quite connect to one another in a free-flowing manner: I-70, US 33, and OH 104.
Quote from: TheStranger on October 27, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
US 33 at I-70 in Columbus:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Columbus,+OH+43209/@39.9286642,-82.920459,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x883887e1b8220b79:0xfed6b42a00a7dcba
Not only is there a single intersection along that route with no stopping or businesses along the way, But 33 to 270 to 70 is all freeway, and it's maybe a mile away.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 27, 2014, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 27, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
US 33 at I-70 in Columbus:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Columbus,+OH+43209/@39.9286642,-82.920459,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x883887e1b8220b79:0xfed6b42a00a7dcba
Not only is there a single intersection along that route with no stopping or businesses along the way, But 33 to 270 to 70 is all freeway, and it's maybe a mile away.
Actually that single intersection has a traffic light, and it turns red more often than you might expect.
Are the traffic lights new? I only see stop signs on the GSV.
Anyway, the nearby highway system allows for all freeway movements, unlike Breezewood. If anything, the extra interchanges in this area are a bonus for both locals and thru traffic alike.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 28, 2014, 12:56:20 PM
Are the traffic lights new? I only see stop signs on the GSV.
What GSV are you looking at? The intersection with Petzinger Rd has had a traffic light as long as I can remember.
Quote from: vtk on October 28, 2014, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 28, 2014, 12:56:20 PM
Are the traffic lights new? I only see stop signs on the GSV.
What GSV are you looking at? The intersection with Petzinger Rd has had a traffic light as long as I can remember.
It had a light when I lived 5 minutes from there almost a decade ago and it still does per GSV. Went through there at least a couple times a month, got stopped the vast majority of trips. Both subdivisions served by the intersection are landlocked and due to a railroad line, Alum Creek, and a small industrial area linked to the other non-interstate leg of the triangle (James Rd), full freeway connections to I-70 would be prohibitively expensive. That being said, there's no reason to get rid of the SR 104 "Breezewood" on this end because the (worse) one at I-71 would still exist, limiting throughput.
Quote from: vtk on October 28, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 27, 2014, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 27, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
US 33 at I-70 in Columbus:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Columbus,+OH+43209/@39.9286642,-82.920459,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x883887e1b8220b79:0xfed6b42a00a7dcba
Not only is there a single intersection along that route with no stopping or businesses along the way, But 33 to 270 to 70 is all freeway, and it's maybe a mile away.
Actually that single intersection has a traffic light, and it turns red more often than you might expect.
Yeah but when I breeze through at 3am on my way to work that red might as well not exist :sombrero:
Edit: they're working on a plan (http://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D06/projects/FarEastFreewayStudy/Pages/default.aspx) for that whole area, God knows if it ever comes to pass. Edit again, and glory be, it looks like they're fixing that God damn death merge from James to 104.
Quote from: 6a on October 29, 2014, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: vtk on October 28, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 27, 2014, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 27, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
US 33 at I-70 in Columbus:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Columbus,+OH+43209/@39.9286642,-82.920459,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x883887e1b8220b79:0xfed6b42a00a7dcba
Not only is there a single intersection along that route with no stopping or businesses along the way, But 33 to 270 to 70 is all freeway, and it's maybe a mile away.
Actually that single intersection has a traffic light, and it turns red more often than you might expect.
Yeah but when I breeze through at 3am on my way to work that red might as well not exist :sombrero:
Edit: they're working on a plan (http://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D06/projects/FarEastFreewayStudy/Pages/default.aspx) for that whole area, God knows if it ever comes to pass. Edit again, and glory be, it looks like they're fixing that God damn death merge from James to 104.
I remember seeing that a while back. Death merge is being braided and they're getting rid of a bunch of townhomes to depress US 33. Fixing a bunch of other issues on that stretxh of I-70 as well.
Oh that light was there way before Water's Edge (the apartments to the west) went up in the '90s. But the light didn't back up 70 in those days since almost no one lived in Groveport or Canal Winchester. And not nearly as many people commuted from Lancaster on 33 since it took so much longer to get there with all the signals and at-grade intersections that were on 33 then.
Didn't realize until now that the freeway segment of La Cienega Boulevard through Kenneth Hahn State Recreation Area in Los Angeles terminates just 3/4 mile from Interstate 405, with 6 at-grades via La Tijera. Likewise, Route 90/Marina Freeway ends 6 blocks west of the Slauson Avenue exit from La Cienega.
The freeway section of WV 43 ends just short of reaching I-68:
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/west_virginia001/wv-043_sb_exit_000_06.jpg)
Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2014, 12:00:26 PM
The freeway section of WV 43 ends just short of reaching I-68:
This is a case where building flyovers to please the freeway fetishists would be a complete waste.
I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but there is currently a "Breezewood"-like situation here in Huntsville.
On US 231 (Memorial Parkway), there are a couple of traffic lights between the overpass for Whitesburg Drive and Weatherly Road and the interchange for Martin Road.
I'm not sure if it counts though, either.
Quote from: NE2 on December 11, 2014, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2014, 12:00:26 PM
The freeway section of WV 43 ends just short of reaching I-68:
This is a case where building flyovers to please the freeway fetishists would be a complete waste.
Agreed. There are plans to do so, but traffic levels will probably never justify anything more than what's there now.
Although you could put in roundabouts at I-68 and WV 43. Those are no less freeway standard than cloverleaves with tight weaves.
Really even no reason to do that. The current setup seems to handle traffic just fine.
Unless you want to turn it into another NY Thruway/I-587.
Quote from: froggie on November 20, 2013, 09:23:48 AM
QuoteWhat really makes no sense is that MNDOT has plans to extend US 169's freeway status northward with a couple of planned interchanges,
They do? News to me...
QuoteMNDOT should consider routing US 169 westward along I-94 and then renumber MN 101 from Rogers to Otsego as US 169 allowing US 169 to pass through the Twin Cities completely as a freeway
This got discussed a few months ago in one of the Fictional threads. I just don't see it as necessary.
US 169 at 101st Avenue interchange in Brooklyn Park: http://projects.srfconsulting.com/hwy169and101st/Documents/Default.aspx
Interstate 74/74 in Rockingham, NC (Yes, I know the gap will be filled in the future)
Several examples like this in and around Wilmington, North Carolina:
I-140 and the US 74 freeway in Leland are several blocks apart from directly connecting:
https://goo.gl/maps/N6yvg1RPPRA2
I-40 and the segment of the US 74 freeway (Martin Luther King Jr. Parkway) near the Wilmington airport:
https://goo.gl/maps/xgmpuhMdUoC2
US 74 with itself between the Martin Luther King Jr. Parkway and the Battleship North Carolina site (probably more similar to I-78's run in Jersey City)
https://goo.gl/maps/m3da1n2RVvs
Quote from: TheStranger on November 06, 2015, 03:15:18 PM
Several examples like this in and around Wilmington, North Carolina:
I-140 and the US 74 freeway in Leland are several blocks apart from directly connecting:
https://goo.gl/maps/N6yvg1RPPRA2
What reason would there be for enough traffic going between I-140 and the US 74 freeway to justify an upgrade (as opposed to a longer upgrade of US 74 to the west)?
A few around Denver:
E-470 & I-70: Northbound E-470 has a flyover to westbound I-70. All other movements require access through Gun Club Road. Both ends of Gun Club interchange with E-470, but there are four lights between them (two of which are with the I-70 ramps).
E-470 & I-76. Direct access from northbound E-470 to eastbound I-76 & westbound I-76 to southbound E-470. All other access is through 120th Ave (to/from E-470) & Sable Blvd/CO 2 (to/from I-76). All movements not done through the ramps require 4-5 traffic lights.
The limited access portion of Northwest Pkwy ends about a mile and a half north of its junction with Boulder Turnpike (US 36) and requires two traffic lights (plus the lights at the on/off ramps for the Turnpike) to navigate between the two.
The movement from westbound 6th Ave/US 6 to eastbound I-70 and from westbound I-70 to eastbound US 6 requires access through Indiana St and Colfax Av/US 40. Of course, the two parallel each other through most of western Denver metro until I-70 turns southwest to ascend into the foothils. They do meet at an acute angle.
Quote from: Mark68 on January 13, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
A few around Denver:
E-470 & I-70: Northbound E-470 has a flyover to westbound I-70. All other movements require access through Gun Club Road. Both ends of Gun Club interchange with E-470, but there are four lights between them (two of which are with the I-70 ramps).
E-470 & I-76. Direct access from northbound E-470 to eastbound I-76 & westbound I-76 to southbound E-470. All other access is through 120th Ave (to/from E-470) & Sable Blvd/CO 2 (to/from I-76). All movements not done through the ramps require 4-5 traffic lights.
The limited access portion of Northwest Pkwy ends about a mile and a half north of its junction with Boulder Turnpike (US 36) and requires two traffic lights (plus the lights at the on/off ramps for the Turnpike) to navigate between the two.
The movement from westbound 6th Ave/US 6 to eastbound I-70 and from westbound I-70 to eastbound US 6 requires access through Indiana St and Colfax Av/US 40. Of course, the two parallel each other through most of western Denver metro until I-70 turns southwest to ascend into the foothils. They do meet at an acute angle.
US6 at heritage rd
Salt Lake area:
I-15/US-89/Legacy Parkway (SR-67) in Farmington: there is no direct access for the 15 south-89 north, 89 south-15 north, 15 north-Legacy south, or Legacy north-15 south. these movements use Park Lane, which requires either 2 or 4 traffic lights. I doubt the 15/Legacy movements are used very often, but the 15-to-89 movement is probably used a fair amount. In fact, both missing 15/89 movements did exist before around 2002, when they were removed to accommodate Legacy's construction.
I-15/I-84 in Riverdale: the 15 north-84 east and 84 west-15 south movements require Riverdale Road, which requires as many as four traffic lights. That movement isn't likely used all that often, as it's significantly easier to cut the corner by using US 89 up the east side instead.
Quote from: Mark68 on January 13, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
E-470 & I-70: Northbound E-470 has a flyover to westbound I-70. All other movements require access through Gun Club Road. Both ends of Gun Club interchange with E-470, but there are four lights between them (two of which are with the I-70 ramps).
I had no idea that road had a name -- everything I'd seen before called it simply E-470. Did that short segment ever carry mainline E470 traffic (i.e. before the mainline to the west was built) or was it built specifically for the I-70/E-470 interchange?
A possible situation is at I-57 and I-294 (Tri-State Tollway) https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6206916,-87.6849081,1829m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6206916,-87.6849081,1829m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
Before October 2014, there was no connection at all for these 2 expressways. They just crossed and in order to get from one to the other, you'd have to rely on the streets or use I-80. Phase I added 2 ramps, NB I-57 to NB I-294 and SB-294 to SB I-57. Additionally, a set of ramps were built at 147th Street for the Tri-State (a SB off-ramp and a NB on-ramp) which allowed for a street connection to I-57.
Eventually the interchange will be completed, but I haven't heard any talk about it in years.
Quote from: ILRoad55 on January 13, 2019, 11:50:59 PM
A possible situation is at I-57 and I-294 (Tri-State Tollway) https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6206916,-87.6849081,1829m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6206916,-87.6849081,1829m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
Before October 2014, there was no connection at all for these 2 expressways. They just crossed and in order to get from one to the other, you'd have to rely on the streets or use I-80. Phase I added 2 ramps, NB I-57 to NB I-294 and SB-294 to SB I-57. Additionally, a set of ramps were built at 147th Street for the Tri-State (a SB off-ramp and a NB on-ramp) which allowed for a street connection to I-57.
Eventually the interchange will be completed, but I haven't heard any talk about it in years.
I used to use US 6/159th St for the connection between I-57 and I-294 - as it has a cloverleaf interchange with both interstates, and its about 1 mile between or so, with a couple traffic lights
The movements I typically make are the ones that the new ramps allow, so I do not use the US 6/159th St exits for the connection any more
Quote from: US 89 on January 13, 2019, 09:02:11 PM
Salt Lake area:
I-15/US-89/Legacy Parkway (SR-67) in Farmington: there is no direct access for the 15 south-89 north, 89 south-15 north, 15 north-Legacy south, or Legacy north-15 south. these movements use Park Lane, which requires either 2 or 4 traffic lights. I doubt the 15/Legacy movements are used very often, but the 15-to-89 movement is probably used a fair amount. In fact, both missing 15/89 movements did exist before around 2002, when they were removed to accommodate Legacy's construction.
I-15/I-84 in Riverdale: the 15 north-84 east and 84 west-15 south movements require Riverdale Road, which requires as many as four traffic lights. That movement isn't likely used all that often, as it's significantly easier to cut the corner by using US 89 up the east side instead.
Quote from: Mark68 on January 13, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
E-470 & I-70: Northbound E-470 has a flyover to westbound I-70. All other movements require access through Gun Club Road. Both ends of Gun Club interchange with E-470, but there are four lights between them (two of which are with the I-70 ramps).
I had no idea that road had a name -- everything I'd seen before called it simply E-470. Did that short segment ever carry mainline E470 traffic (i.e. before the mainline to the west was built) or was it built specifically for the I-70/E-470 interchange?
The road has the same name as the road that acts as a sort of frontage road for E-470 from just south of Jewell Ave. In fact, the light to the farthest south is where Gun Club Rd from the south meets E Colfax Ave (which acts as a southern frontage road to I-70 in that area--the Colfax mainline is a little farther to the west). It is possible that the Gun Club moniker was removed, as the street signs on the mast arms read "E-470". I just went through there last night, as a matter of fact.
To answer your question, before the E-470 mainline was built to the west (which was prior to the flyover from north to west) the mainline went through those lights.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on January 13, 2019, 08:05:20 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on January 13, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
A few around Denver:
E-470 & I-70: Northbound E-470 has a flyover to westbound I-70. All other movements require access through Gun Club Road. Both ends of Gun Club interchange with E-470, but there are four lights between them (two of which are with the I-70 ramps).
E-470 & I-76. Direct access from northbound E-470 to eastbound I-76 & westbound I-76 to southbound E-470. All other access is through 120th Ave (to/from E-470) & Sable Blvd/CO 2 (to/from I-76). All movements not done through the ramps require 4-5 traffic lights.
The limited access portion of Northwest Pkwy ends about a mile and a half north of its junction with Boulder Turnpike (US 36) and requires two traffic lights (plus the lights at the on/off ramps for the Turnpike) to navigate between the two.
The movement from westbound 6th Ave/US 6 to eastbound I-70 and from westbound I-70 to eastbound US 6 requires access through Indiana St and Colfax Av/US 40. Of course, the two parallel each other through most of western Denver metro until I-70 turns southwest to ascend into the foothils. They do meet at an acute angle.
US6 at heritage rd
I was hesitant to include that, since the C-470 freeway *technically* ends at US 6, but the long range plans are to upgrade that section of US 6 to a freeway at least as far as CO-58/CO-93, with the 19th St interchange already done.
Of course, when that's complete, it will leave a Breezewood scenario on US 6 between I-70 & C-470, with lights at W Colfax & Johnson Rd and a sharp (due to the RTD W Line tracks) RIRO from westbound 6th to Ulysses St and RIRO from eastbound 6th to Interplaza (& westbound Colfax--since you can't make the right turn at the actual intersection of 6th & Colfax).
Quote from: Mark68 on January 14, 2019, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: US 89 on January 13, 2019, 09:02:11 PM
Salt Lake area:
I-15/US-89/Legacy Parkway (SR-67) in Farmington: there is no direct access for the 15 south-89 north, 89 south-15 north, 15 north-Legacy south, or Legacy north-15 south. these movements use Park Lane, which requires either 2 or 4 traffic lights. I doubt the 15/Legacy movements are used very often, but the 15-to-89 movement is probably used a fair amount. In fact, both missing 15/89 movements did exist before around 2002, when they were removed to accommodate Legacy's construction.
I-15/I-84 in Riverdale: the 15 north-84 east and 84 west-15 south movements require Riverdale Road, which requires as many as four traffic lights. That movement isn't likely used all that often, as it's significantly easier to cut the corner by using US 89 up the east side instead.
Quote from: Mark68 on January 13, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
E-470 & I-70: Northbound E-470 has a flyover to westbound I-70. All other movements require access through Gun Club Road. Both ends of Gun Club interchange with E-470, but there are four lights between them (two of which are with the I-70 ramps).
I had no idea that road had a name -- everything I'd seen before called it simply E-470. Did that short segment ever carry mainline E470 traffic (i.e. before the mainline to the west was built) or was it built specifically for the I-70/E-470 interchange?
The road has the same name as the road that acts as a sort of frontage road for E-470 from just south of Jewell Ave. In fact, the light to the farthest south is where Gun Club Rd from the south meets E Colfax Ave (which acts as a southern frontage road to I-70 in that area--the Colfax mainline is a little farther to the west). It is possible that the Gun Club moniker was removed, as the street signs on the mast arms read "E-470". I just went through there last night, as a matter of fact.
To answer your question, before the E-470 mainline was built to the west (which was prior to the flyover from north to west) the mainline went through those lights.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on January 13, 2019, 08:05:20 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on January 13, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
A few around Denver:
E-470 & I-70: Northbound E-470 has a flyover to westbound I-70. All other movements require access through Gun Club Road. Both ends of Gun Club interchange with E-470, but there are four lights between them (two of which are with the I-70 ramps).
E-470 & I-76. Direct access from northbound E-470 to eastbound I-76 & westbound I-76 to southbound E-470. All other access is through 120th Ave (to/from E-470) & Sable Blvd/CO 2 (to/from I-76). All movements not done through the ramps require 4-5 traffic lights.
The limited access portion of Northwest Pkwy ends about a mile and a half north of its junction with Boulder Turnpike (US 36) and requires two traffic lights (plus the lights at the on/off ramps for the Turnpike) to navigate between the two.
The movement from westbound 6th Ave/US 6 to eastbound I-70 and from westbound I-70 to eastbound US 6 requires access through Indiana St and Colfax Av/US 40. Of course, the two parallel each other through most of western Denver metro until I-70 turns southwest to ascend into the foothils. They do meet at an acute angle.
US6 at heritage rd
I was hesitant to include that, since the C-470 freeway *technically* ends at US 6, but the long range plans are to upgrade that section of US 6 to a freeway at least as far as CO-58/CO-93, with the 19th St interchange already done.
Of course, when that's complete, it will leave a Breezewood scenario on US 6 between I-70 & C-470, with lights at W Colfax & Johnson Rd and a sharp (due to the RTD W Line tracks) RIRO from westbound 6th to Ulysses St and RIRO from eastbound 6th to Interplaza (& westbound Colfax--since you can't make the right turn at the actual intersection of 6th & Colfax).
What about completing the 470 loop as well?
https://www.codot.gov/library/studies/westconnect-coalition-pel-study/assets/final-alternatives-report
does not seem to have any real freeway parts other then maybe the 1 lane ramps.
Fayetteville, AR has a Breezewood-type situation:
You can't access SB I-49 from NB 71 on the south end of town. You have to exit at AR 265, cross over 71, under 49, then use the on-ramp from 265.
https://goo.gl/maps/tsSmHeqPPL42
Quote from: ILRoad55 on January 13, 2019, 11:50:59 PM
A possible situation is at I-57 and I-294 (Tri-State Tollway) https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6206916,-87.6849081,1829m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6206916,-87.6849081,1829m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
Before October 2014, there was no connection at all for these 2 expressways. They just crossed and in order to get from one to the other, you'd have to rely on the streets or use I-80. Phase I added 2 ramps, NB I-57 to NB I-294 and SB-294 to SB I-57. Additionally, a set of ramps were built at 147th Street for the Tri-State (a SB off-ramp and a NB on-ramp) which allowed for a street connection to I-57.
Eventually the interchange will be completed, but I haven't heard any talk about it in years.
From what I gather, the next phase of construction will be in 2023.
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/239492/201407_Tri+State+294+57+Interchange+Opening.pdf/19e69d6b-ea80-4a71-8bee-42212b568edd?version=1.0
Quote from: US71 on January 18, 2019, 09:42:02 AM
Fayetteville, AR has a Breezewood-type situation:
You can't access SB I-49 from NB 71 on the south end of town. You have to exit at AR 265, cross over 71, under 49, then use the on-ramp from 265.
https://goo.gl/maps/tsSmHeqPPL42
But US-71 is not a freeway south of there, and the movement you mention does not follow the NB US-71 designation anyway. Doesn't compare to Breezewood, IMHO.