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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2475 on: May 12, 2018, 09:02:02 PM »

I once drove—and only because I had to—the PA Turnpike from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia on the Sunday after Thanksgiving.
Never. Again. Ever.  :ded:

How congested was it?  Any actual slowdowns below the speed limit?

Slowdowns? Yeah, you could say that. It was bumper-to-bumper, stop-and-go along the entire I-70 concurrency. I crawled. It was actually worse than rush hour on the Schuylkill Expressway.

I thought for sure there was an accident somewhere that I would come up to that was causing the congestion but no. Shear volume.

This was 1992 or thereabout.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2476 on: May 12, 2018, 09:06:00 PM »

I know some people who were driving from Chicago to South Jersey on the Sunday after Thanksgiving in 2016.  They made good time until they hit PA.  The traffic was so slow on the Turnpike that they gave up and stayed overnight in, of all places, Breezewood.  They finished their journey the next morning.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2477 on: May 12, 2018, 09:11:10 PM »

I once drove—and only because I had to—the PA Turnpike from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia on the Sunday after Thanksgiving.
Never. Again. Ever.  :ded:
How congested was it?  Any actual slowdowns below the speed limit?
Slowdowns? Yeah, you could say that. It was bumper-to-bumper, stop-and-go along the entire I-70 concurrency. I crawled. It was actually worse than rush hour on the Schuylkill Expressway.
I thought for sure there was an accident somewhere that I would come up to that was causing the congestion but no. Shear volume.
This was 1992 or thereabout.

There could have been a congestion aftermath of an accident that had been cleared away by the time you got there (I have wondered in similar situations I have been in), but that is 86 miles of highway, so as you say the prime culprit would have been sheer volume.

PA deserves credit for having the vision to build I-80 the way that they did, as in the beginning there was no assurance that any east-west Interstate would be built in upstate PA.  A shorter route in the NYC-Chicago corridor that handles a lot of traffic that would otherwise have to use the PA Turnpike.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2478 on: May 12, 2018, 09:56:01 PM »

I once drove—and only because I had to—the PA Turnpike from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia on the Sunday after Thanksgiving.
Never. Again. Ever.  :ded:
How congested was it?  Any actual slowdowns below the speed limit?
Slowdowns? Yeah, you could say that. It was bumper-to-bumper, stop-and-go along the entire I-70 concurrency. I crawled. It was actually worse than rush hour on the Schuylkill Expressway.
I thought for sure there was an accident somewhere that I would come up to that was causing the congestion but no. Shear volume.
This was 1992 or thereabout.

There could have been a congestion aftermath of an accident that had been cleared away by the time you got there (I have wondered in similar situations I have been in), but that is 86 miles of highway, so as you say the prime culprit would have been sheer volume.

I checked later. No accident, just volume. There was no mention of an accident on the Turnpike radio system either.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2479 on: May 13, 2018, 02:42:32 PM »

I did that drive from Pgh to Phila the Sunday after Thanksgiving, I think in 2010, and it was very slow along the I-70 concurrency.  I wouldn't say bumper-to-bumper, but going the Speed Limit (65 at the time) wasn't possible.  Traffic fluctuated between 30 and 55 that entire length...no accidents that I can recall.
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« Reply #2480 on: May 13, 2018, 06:56:09 PM »

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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2482 on: May 23, 2018, 12:56:16 PM »

American Dream is still neither finished nor open.  This month marks eleven years since the project was begun.

Waking this post up from Page 47...

NJ.com reports on the work going on at the American Dream project, which used to be the Xanadu project, seen from the NJ Turnpike in the Meadowlands.

http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2018/05/american_dream_megamall_opening_next_year.html

Much of the project should be completed by Spring of 2019, after first proposed in 2003 (the retail landscape has changed dramatically since then).  An indoor waterpark probably won't open until Fall of 2019.

As for traffic, East Rutherford's Mayor James Cassella has said "he's not too concerned about traffic from the megamall clogging his streets -- even out-of-towners who use GPS to avoid slow downs. 'Being between New York City and Philadelphia, I think there are very few spots in New Jersey you could (drive to) without having a major traffic jam somewhere,' Cassella said.". 

The statement is typical NJ: Drivers are gonna be stuck in congestion, and they're not going to build a road network that'll completely eliminate it.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2483 on: June 01, 2018, 10:16:56 PM »

American Dream is still neither finished nor open.  This month marks eleven years since the project was begun.

Waking this post up from Page 47...

NJ.com reports on the work going on at the American Dream project, which used to be the Xanadu project, seen from the NJ Turnpike in the Meadowlands.

http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2018/05/american_dream_megamall_opening_next_year.html

Much of the project should be completed by Spring of 2019, after first proposed in 2003 (the retail landscape has changed dramatically since then).  An indoor waterpark probably won't open until Fall of 2019.

As for traffic, East Rutherford's Mayor James Cassella has said "he's not too concerned about traffic from the megamall clogging his streets -- even out-of-towners who use GPS to avoid slow downs. 'Being between New York City and Philadelphia, I think there are very few spots in New Jersey you could (drive to) without having a major traffic jam somewhere,' Cassella said.". 

The statement is typical NJ: Drivers are gonna be stuck in congestion, and they're not going to build a road network that'll completely eliminate it.

Florida is the same. We deal with sprawl over an outdated network constantly.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2484 on: June 02, 2018, 08:06:38 PM »

Does the NJTA host traffic count data anywhere? I can't seem to find it from a simple Google search. NJDOT's traffic count data only shows NJDOT roads and so excludes the Turnpike, GSP, etc.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2485 on: June 02, 2018, 08:16:15 PM »

Does the NJTA host traffic count data anywhere? I can't seem to find it from a simple Google search. NJDOT's traffic count data only shows NJDOT roads and so excludes the Turnpike, GSP, etc.

They have data in their annual reports, but it's in regards to toll transactions. I've never seen any data on any particular point along the highway, unlike NJDOT.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2486 on: June 13, 2018, 02:56:24 PM »

In the minutes to their last monthly meeting, an item on page 6 was a bit interesting: http://www.njta.com/media/3886/bm_minutes_5-22-2018.pdf

The Turnpike Authority is looking to build a grade separated U-turn at around MP 29 for maintenance vehicles.   MP 29 is between Interchanges 3 & 4, and *just* south of where I-295's Exit 31 is located, which provides access to the nearby PATCO Woodcrest train station.  Looking underneath the NJ Turnpike overpass, it appears it's fairly tight, although possibly feasible, to squeeze a maintenance lane in between the Turnpike bridge's support wall and the existing ramp.  Likewise, building a bridge over the Turnpike is tight as well due to a UPS Depot that borders the Turnpike property.

What's a bit unusual is that grade separated maintenance crossings are usually found either adjacent to maintenance/State Police buildings or in the dual-dual section, usually about 1-2 miles in either direction from an interchange.  There are none strictly for u-turns south of Exit 6.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2487 on: June 13, 2018, 04:43:58 PM »

Shear volume.



This is an uncharacteristically sheepish response from you.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2488 on: June 14, 2018, 01:13:57 PM »

I have three questions:

1.  Are the truck lane restrictions in the outer roadway ever enforced, particularly between Exits 11 and 14?

2.  Are the HOV lane restrictions ever enforced?

3.  Is "Keep Right Except To Pass" ever enforced anywhere on the Turnpike?
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2489 on: June 14, 2018, 01:51:48 PM »

I have three questions:

1.  Are the truck lane restrictions in the outer roadway ever enforced, particularly between Exits 11 and 14?

2.  Are the HOV lane restrictions ever enforced?

3.  Is "Keep Right Except To Pass" ever enforced anywhere on the Turnpike?

1. Do you mean no trucks in the left lane, or trucks just using the outer roadway?  While no trucks should be in the left lane at any time (other than when it's the only lane available due to other lane closures), trucks may be on the inner roadway due to a closure of an outer roadway entrance ramp.

2. This is a nationwide issue, where SOVs tend to play the game that even if they're caught, the hundreds of times they've taken the HOV lane is worth the one time ticket.  It's probably minorly enforced.

3. It is, but again with limited police out there and everyone wanting everyone pulled over for everything under the sun, it's tough to have the police available to pull most of them over.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2490 on: June 14, 2018, 02:01:21 PM »

I meant for trucks usuing the outer roadway.  It seems to be more of a problem between Exits 11 and 14 where there is that fourth, HOV, lane.

Regarding the HOV lane restrictions themselves, I assume that the exemptions for alternatively fueled cars and EVs make enforcement more difficult.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2491 on: June 14, 2018, 02:17:28 PM »

I meant for trucks usuing the outer roadway.  It seems to be more of a problem between Exits 11 and 14 where there is that fourth, HOV, lane.

Regarding the HOV lane restrictions themselves, I assume that the exemptions for alternatively fueled cars and EVs make enforcement more difficult.

Trucks are only supposed to use the 2 right lanes in that section.  As long as they're not in the HOV lane, I doubt there's much care that they're using the left-center lane, even though they really shouldn't be in that lane.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2492 on: June 17, 2018, 02:43:37 AM »

I have three questions:

1.  Are the truck lane restrictions in the outer roadway ever enforced, particularly between Exits 11 and 14?

2.  Are the HOV lane restrictions ever enforced?

3.  Is "Keep Right Except To Pass" ever enforced anywhere on the Turnpike?

If the staties ever wanted to pad the treasury, they could just pull over every NY or PA driver who sits in the left lane doing 65 or less. It would put quite a dent into NJ's budgetary needs.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2493 on: June 18, 2018, 03:08:44 AM »

So I drove through the toll plaza at Exit 10, and they added the signs above each booth which can be changed from EZ-Pass only to cash/EZ-Pass (instead of having the EZ-Pass only signs over the booths which originally had it, back in the days when you HAD to use an EZ-Pass lane). This has happened at other places, especially places with booths that were recently rebuilt, such as Exit 12 and Exit 8. Recently, they changed the cash lanes signs. Instead of saying CASH/EZ-Pass (top in white on green, bottom in white on purple), it instead is a green sign with the M4-17 symbol from the MUTCD (to indicate an "attended" lane) and the words Full Service. I also noticed the approach signage to the Raritan tolls on the Parkway is using the wording "Full Service" as well. I feel like someone at the NJTA thinks people will know what that means even though many will likely NOT know what that means. The proper MUTCD way of signing those lanes is "Cash-Change-Receipts", so I feel like the previous signs made more sense.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2494 on: July 15, 2018, 08:11:53 PM »

I haven't been on the NJ Tpke recently as I had to cut down on my roadgeeking adventures due to $.....I remember 3 button copy signs that survived the sign replacement project,

one was the I-280 "The Oranges" BGS just past the toll plaza of Exit 15W

at the same interchange past the toll plaza going towards the NJ Tpke was a "Speed Checked by Radar" sign

and lastly, there was a "you have left the NJ Tpke obey speed laws" at the US-46 northbound exit

Are those still around?

It seems like button copy in general is being replaced in NJ as a whole.

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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2495 on: July 15, 2018, 11:23:01 PM »

I haven't been on the NJ Tpke recently as I had to cut down on my roadgeeking adventures due to $.....I remember 3 button copy signs that survived the sign replacement project,

one was the I-280 "The Oranges" BGS just past the toll plaza of Exit 15W

at the same interchange past the toll plaza going towards the NJ Tpke was a "Speed Checked by Radar" sign

and lastly, there was a "you have left the NJ Tpke obey speed laws" at the US-46 northbound exit

Are those still around?

It seems like button copy in general is being replaced in NJ as a whole.


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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2496 on: July 16, 2018, 09:38:15 PM »

So I drove through the toll plaza at Exit 10, and they added the signs above each booth which can be changed from EZ-Pass only to cash/EZ-Pass (instead of having the EZ-Pass only signs over the booths which originally had it, back in the days when you HAD to use an EZ-Pass lane). This has happened at other places, especially places with booths that were recently rebuilt, such as Exit 12 and Exit 8. Recently, they changed the cash lanes signs. Instead of saying CASH/EZ-Pass (top in white on green, bottom in white on purple), it instead is a green sign with the M4-17 symbol from the MUTCD (to indicate an "attended" lane) and the words Full Service. I also noticed the approach signage to the Raritan tolls on the Parkway is using the wording "Full Service" as well. I feel like someone at the NJTA thinks people will know what that means even though many will likely NOT know what that means. The proper MUTCD way of signing those lanes is "Cash-Change-Receipts", so I feel like the previous signs made more sense.

Finally had a chance to grab a picture of this:



Exit 13 has the same signs. I'm assuming we'll start seeing them in more toll plazas as time goes on.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2497 on: July 16, 2018, 09:55:03 PM »

So I drove through the toll plaza at Exit 10, and they added the signs above each booth which can be changed from EZ-Pass only to cash/EZ-Pass (instead of having the EZ-Pass only signs over the booths which originally had it, back in the days when you HAD to use an EZ-Pass lane). This has happened at other places, especially places with booths that were recently rebuilt, such as Exit 12 and Exit 8. Recently, they changed the cash lanes signs. Instead of saying CASH/EZ-Pass (top in white on green, bottom in white on purple), it instead is a green sign with the M4-17 symbol from the MUTCD (to indicate an "attended" lane) and the words Full Service. I also noticed the approach signage to the Raritan tolls on the Parkway is using the wording "Full Service" as well. I feel like someone at the NJTA thinks people will know what that means even though many will likely NOT know what that means. The proper MUTCD way of signing those lanes is "Cash-Change-Receipts", so I feel like the previous signs made more sense.

Finally had a chance to grab a picture of this:



Exit 13 has the same signs. I'm assuming we'll start seeing them in more toll plazas as time goes on.

Exit 7 has then as well.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #2498 on: July 18, 2018, 11:19:48 PM »

Just like the state's gas stations LOL!
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« Reply #2499 on: August 02, 2018, 12:37:48 AM »

So I drove through the toll plaza at Exit 10, and they added the signs above each booth which can be changed from EZ-Pass only to cash/EZ-Pass (instead of having the EZ-Pass only signs over the booths which originally had it, back in the days when you HAD to use an EZ-Pass lane). This has happened at other places, especially places with booths that were recently rebuilt, such as Exit 12 and Exit 8. Recently, they changed the cash lanes signs. Instead of saying CASH/EZ-Pass (top in white on green, bottom in white on purple), it instead is a green sign with the M4-17 symbol from the MUTCD (to indicate an "attended" lane) and the words Full Service. I also noticed the approach signage to the Raritan tolls on the Parkway is using the wording "Full Service" as well. I feel like someone at the NJTA thinks people will know what that means even though many will likely NOT know what that means. The proper MUTCD way of signing those lanes is "Cash-Change-Receipts", so I feel like the previous signs made more sense.

Finally had a chance to grab a picture of this:



Exit 13 has the same signs. I'm assuming we'll start seeing them in more toll plazas as time goes on.

Exit 7 has then as well.

Also at 15W.
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