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Unnumbered Roads that warrant State Route status

Started by webny99, February 14, 2018, 08:36:47 PM

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webny99

Which roads have the volume to warrant a state route designation? You can include county routes (signed or unsigned) if you think they need a status bump.

Look for:
1] Unnumbered roads with four or more lanes
2] Gaps in your state's highway network
3] Roads serving considerable long-distance traffic

I don't personally consider this fictional  territory (nothing requiring new construction allowed  :-P), but would not raise any objections if it were to be moved. Examples to follow.


Avalanchez71

Foothills Parkway in Tennessee.
I would like to see numbers for the NY named parkways and the NJ ones as well.

hotdogPi

Stafford St., Charlton MA to Worcester MA (should be an extension of MA 148 169)

Main St., Everett MA to Wakefield MA (new number); I would also have this go north to MA 114 through North Reading and ending in North Andover. I've imagined this as MA 48, but the number doesn't really matter.

A route starting at MA 133 in Lowell/Tewksbury, using River Rd., going through Lawrence, and then connecting the town centers of North Andover, Boxford, Topsfield, and Ipswich. I've imagined this as MA 34, but the number doesn't really matter.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

webny99

I'd be interested in Google Maps links (showing directions between endpoints, thereby highlighting the route) for the proposed routes.


theline

The road in my area that springs to mind is Elkhart County Road 17. The portion between the Indiana Toll Road and US-33 is part of the National Highway System, indicating its importance. I know the portion from US-20 to the ITR very well, as it's the connector of choice for traveling from South Bend to all points east.

I'd favor upgrading the designation to a state route of the entire NHS portion. It could well be extended north to the Michigan border, since the road continues in Michigan as M-217. That portion, like the NHS part, is all 4+ lanes expressway with limited cross traffic. The state route could also be extended to the south, though it would likely have a dangling end at CR-38. At that point the road downgrades to a narrow 2 lane road.

INDOT could even retain the number. SR-17 would fit the Indiana grid perfectly. There is a 17 downstate, but Indiana has shown no reluctance to have discontinuous highways.

Here's the map: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/41.7592885,-85.8776665/41.551511,-85.8862699/@41.6554832,-85.9550217,12z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en&authuser=0

Brandon

They could warrant it, but I wouldn't want to curse county highways in Illinois with IDOT status.  The counties do a better job of maintenance and widening.
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Techknow

In California, the one road that comes to mind here is the Westside Parkway in Bakersfield, which will no doubt be part of CA-58 once the Centennial Corridor gets completed to connect it at the CA-58/99 interchange.

The only other road that comes to mind for me is County Route G12 in Monterey County, it's a connection between CA-1 and US-101 and it is very commonly used as a way to get to and from Santa Cruz County. It probably warrants enough traffic that it could be state maintained - at rush hour the off ramp to the east end can get jammed up. I think as of now it is fine as a signed county route, no need for Caltrans to take on more unnecessary maintenance

Hurricane Rex

Restore river road as OR 219 from its current route.

Delta Highway in Eugene.
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Max Rockatansky

Old FL 4a/US 1 from Sugarloaf Key to Stock Island would make a handy FL A1A segment in the Florida Keys.  I would like to see CA 190 get completed and if I had my way have CA 178 routed on Trona Road to CA 190 in Panamint Valley.  I would like to see the gaps in Arizona state routes eliminated with AZ 99 being extended down Wallace and Rim Road to AZ 260.  AZ 288 could be extended via the Young Highway to AZ 260 and Maricopa Road east out of Gila Bend becoming a complete AZ 238.  For something local Clovis Avenue from CA 99 north to CA 168 wouldn't make a bad northern extension of CA 43 given it is a divided highway.  But...this is all conjecture and fantasy with a lot of expensive roadway that states really wouldn't want to adopt.

PHLBOS

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hotdogPi

Quote from: PHLBOS on February 15, 2018, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 14, 2018, 10:01:04 PM
MA 148 extension:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/42.1470338,-71.9880573/42.2131204,-71.8804167/42.2587941,-71.8062841/@42.2131427,-71.9315038,11.74z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0
Don't you mean MA 169 extension?  MA 148 is located about 7 miles west of your southerly starting point.

Yes. Sorry. MA 148 would deserve a southward extension to CT 19 if CT 148 didn't already exist, though.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

paulthemapguy

I think this would be an appropriate time to show Bill Burmaster's list of state ID routes--routes with mile markers that make it evident the road is maintained by the state, but having no official route number or signage.  This list is part of a much longer list of roads maintained by IDOT but with no intuitive route signage.

http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/misc/il900.html

Other secret Illinois state routes include:
- Richards St. in Joliet from I-80 south
- Manhattan-Monee Rd from Center Rd. to US52 (Will Co.)
- Hill Ave. in Aurora from US34 north to at least Montgomery Rd.
- Arsenal Road from Elwood Port Rd. west to I-55 exit 244
- Makanda Rd. from US51 east to Makanda, IL
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WillWeaverRVA

#13
In Richmond, VA: Parham Road, namely the parts of it that aren't VA 73; and Laburnum Avenue, namely the parts of it that aren't VA 197. Both are part of the NHS despite being mostly unnumbered.
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webny99


cl94

#15
OP: are we including county routes here?

If not, NY has Warren CR 11 (the east-west leg), Essex CR 84, Ulster CR 47. The former was built by the state to connect NY 9N with I-87 Exit 24, the latter two were once state routes.
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jp the roadgeek

Quote from: 1 on February 15, 2018, 09:10:20 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 15, 2018, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 14, 2018, 10:01:04 PM
MA 148 extension:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/42.1470338,-71.9880573/42.2131204,-71.8804167/42.2587941,-71.8062841/@42.2131427,-71.9315038,11.74z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0
Don't you mean MA 169 extension?  MA 148 is located about 7 miles west of your southerly starting point.

Yes. Sorry. MA 148 would deserve a southward extension to CT 19 if CT 148 didn't already exist, though.

Actually, I would extend MA 148 south to take over CT 171 via Holland Rd/Sturbridge Rd and Mashapaug Rd.  I would just renumber CT 148 to CT 48, which is available.  I would also extend route 272 across the MA line to end at MA 57/183 in New Marlborough

I have many ideas for CT cities, since many have a habit of sending routes around them or having them end at some point.:



Bridgeport: Extend CT 111 south along Main St to end at US 1
Bristol: Entend CT 372 west along the old CT 72 route to end at CT 229.

Danbury: Return US 6/202 to its old route through downtown. US 6 follows Newtown Rd to its current route, and US 202 branches off onto Federal Rd. to rejoin its current route.

Hartford area: Extend CT 218 south to CT 175 in Newington along North/South Main, Newington Rd, West Hartford Rd, and Fenn Rd. Extend CT 4 east on  Farmington Ave, Asylum Ave, Jewell St, and Whitehead Highway to end at I-91.  Extend CT 99 north through Hartford along Wethersfield Ave and Main St to take over the southern half of CT 159 to Windsor.  CT 159 south end rerouted to end at Kennedy Rd/I-91 in Windsor.  Reroute US 6 off of I-84 via New Britain Ave, Barnard St, Main St, over the Founders Bridge, and on its old route through East Hartford on Pitkin St, Jace St, East River Dr, and Silver Lane/Spencer St/West Center St to join its current route in Manchester.

Meriden/Waterbury area:  Extend CT 66 west to Woodbury along East and West Main St in Meriden, CT 322, SR 844, duplex with CT 69, East and West Main St, Chase Parkway, and CT 64.  I-691 extended to end of freeway.  Extend CT 70 west to CT 69.
   
Middletown:  Extend CT 154 north along Saybrook Rd, Main St Ext, Pleasant St, and Main St to end at CT 66.  Extend CT 155 east to Saybrook Rd.

New Britain: Extend CT 174 west to CT 372 via East Main St, Main St, and SR 555.  Reuse the CT 171 number on CT 71A and extend it to CT 4 in Farmington along Arch St, Main St, Beaver St, Farmington Ave, Fienemann Rd, SR 549, and South Rd.  Extend CT 175 west along Allen St to end at Farmington Ave.  In Newington, extend CT 287 west along the rest of Robbins Ave.

New Haven: US 5 should be re-extended along State St in New Haven to end at US 1 as it used to.  CT 10 should continue on Whitney Ave from Hamden Center and continue on Church and Temple St to end at US 1.  CT 63 can be extended along Whalley Ave and other streets to end at Church St by the Green.  Give all of Dixwell Ave a new route number from Broadway to US 5 in North Haven.  Ella Grasso Blvd can also be renumbered, while the section of CT 10 through SCSU can be decommissioned.

Waterbury: Extend CT 70 west along East Main St to CT 69

Statewide: Old routings of CT 2 and CT 8 can be numbered.  Extend CT 85 north to CT 83 in Rockville.  Extend CT 194 south to US 6/44 in Manchester on Buckland St and Adams St. 


Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

cl94

State routes in CT generally end where state maintenance ends. Unlike most other states in the Northeast, ALL of the CT route system is state-maintained with ~2 exceptions. For stuff to get extended, ConnDOT must be willing to sign stuff on locally-maintained roads.
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index

#18
Old Monroe Road, Old Charlotte Highway, N Charlotte Avenue, and E John street in Union/Meck Counties, NC are very busy, are planned to be upgraded to a 4 lane super street by NCDOT, and are the same street path, just different names.

They're a vital corridor through the area, yet only possess a secondary road numbering of SR 1009 (which is not anywhere close to a state route/road in NC) in Union County and no secondary number in Mecklenburg County. N Charlotte Avenue in Monroe used to have NC 200 routed on it until it was put on a western bypass of Monroe by NCDOT. It also possibly had NC 75 routed on it. There's an old black marker on top of a stop sign along that road that says "NC 75 <->" on it, but there's no data that supports this, so it's probably a signage error oops no it wasn't.

Also in Union County, Wesley Chapel Stouts Road (SR 1377), Wesley Chapel Road (SR 1377), Porter Road (SR 1162), Sardis Church Road (SR 1367), and Unionville-Indian Trail Road (SR 1367) are the same path, a vital corridor, very busy, and have no state route designation.
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Mapmikey

Quote from: index on February 15, 2018, 04:18:11 PM
Old Monroe Road, Old Charlotte Highway, N Charlotte Avenue, and E John street in Union/Meck Counties, NC are very busy, are planned to be upgraded to a 4 lane super street by NCDOT, and are the same street path, just different names.

They're a vital corridor through the area, yet only possess a secondary road numbering of SR 1009 (which is not anywhere close to a state route/road in NC) in Union County and no secondary number in Mecklenburg County. N Charlotte Avenue in Monroe used to have NC 200 routed on it until it was put on a western bypass of Monroe by NCDOT. It also possibly had NC 75 routed on it. There's an old black marker on top of a stop sign along that road that says "NC 75 <->" on it, but there's no data that supports this, so it's probably a signage error.

Also in Union County, Wesley Chapel Stouts Road (SR 1377), Wesley Chapel Road (SR 1377), Porter Road (SR 1162), Sardis Church Road (SR 1367), and Unionville-Indian Trail Road (SR 1367) are the same path, a vital corridor, very busy, and have no state route designation.

NC 75 was briefly assigned to Charlotte/Church St after NC 200 was moved to the western bypass.  NC 75 also at one time used Skyway Dr out to US 74.

http://vahighways.com/ncannex/route-log/nc075.html

Start at page 12 here:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2011_08_15.pdf

index

Quote from: Mapmikey on February 15, 2018, 04:24:09 PM
Quote from: index on February 15, 2018, 04:18:11 PM
Old Monroe Road, Old Charlotte Highway, N Charlotte Avenue, and E John street in Union/Meck Counties, NC are very busy, are planned to be upgraded to a 4 lane super street by NCDOT, and are the same street path, just different names.

They're a vital corridor through the area, yet only possess a secondary road numbering of SR 1009 (which is not anywhere close to a state route/road in NC) in Union County and no secondary number in Mecklenburg County. N Charlotte Avenue in Monroe used to have NC 200 routed on it until it was put on a western bypass of Monroe by NCDOT. It also possibly had NC 75 routed on it. There's an old black marker on top of a stop sign along that road that says "NC 75 <->" on it, but there's no data that supports this, so it's probably a signage error.

Also in Union County, Wesley Chapel Stouts Road (SR 1377), Wesley Chapel Road (SR 1377), Porter Road (SR 1162), Sardis Church Road (SR 1367), and Unionville-Indian Trail Road (SR 1367) are the same path, a vital corridor, very busy, and have no state route designation.

NC 75 was briefly assigned to Charlotte/Church St after NC 200 was moved to the western bypass.  NC 75 also at one time used Skyway Dr out to US 74.

http://vahighways.com/ncannex/route-log/nc075.html

Start at page 12 here:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2011_08_15.pdf

Bah. So it was. My bad then.
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webny99

Quote from: cl94 on February 15, 2018, 02:06:08 PM
OP: are we including county routes here?

The OP itself answers your question  :-P
Affirmative - if you think it should be a state route.

You could also suggest a road to bump from no number to a county route, if for whatever reason you think that should be done in a specific case.

KeithE4Phx

#22
In Arizona, any road that serves a city/town of 500 or more people should be under ADOT control and numbered as a state highway.  Such as...

Yavapai County Rte. 15, which connects AZ 96 (Bagdad to Hillside) to Prescott.  Call it AZ 196.

Fain Rd. east of Prescott Valley, between AZ 69 and 89A.  This was proposed as AZ 48 a few years back, but never commissioned.

Mohave County Rte. 125, through Chloride.  Connects to US 93 at both ends.  This is the former AZ 62.  Supposedly Chloride is trying to attract tourism, so maybe this should be recommissioned.  But since it's a short route, it probably shouldn't have a two-digit number.  AZ 193?

Mohave County Rte. 25, from US 93 through Dolan Springs to Meadview.  How about AZ 293 for this one?

Mohave County Rte. 143, from US 93 to Temple Bar Marina.  AZ 393?

Bullhead Parkway, the bypass around Bullhead City.  Connects to AZ 95 at both ends.  How about AZ 295?

Old US 80, between Goodyear and Gila Bend.  Call this one AZ 185?

Extend AZ 238 from Mobile to Gila Bend.  Currently it's Maricopa County Rte 238.

Power Rd./Bush Hwy between Loop 202 in Mesa and AZ 87 north of Saguaro Lake.  Despite being on National Forest land, it's maintained by Maricopa County.  Pick an unused number here. How about AZ 787?

Ellsworth Rd. and Hunt Hwy from the off-ramp that they call AZ 24 to AZ 79 in Florence.  There are currently no state highways serving the San Tan Valley.  At least until they decide whether or not to build a freeway through here, it'd be a good extension of AZ 24.

Florence-Kelvin Hwy between, believe it or not, Florence and Kelvin.  AZ 477?

Veterans Memorial Blvd. between AZ 77 and San Manuel.  This was proposed as AZ 76 or AZ 176 many years ago, but never commissioned despite appearing on some maps.

Apache Trail/Old West Hwy between the Loop 202 and US 60.  This is the old US 60/70/80/89, and the parts that are in Maricopa and Pinal County islands are still on ADOT's books as unsigned US 60X.  How about AZ 360, the original number for what is now US 60, the Superstition Freeway?

Northern Parkway between Loop 303 and wherever it'll eventually end (Loop 101?) in the West Valley, once it's finished.  Maybe resurrect AZ 50 for this one, since the Paradise Freeway in Phoenix is long dead?

National Forest Highway 3, Lake Mary Rd. between AZ 87 and Flagstaff.  This was once supposed to be taken over by ADOT and signed AZ 487 (shown on some maps) a couple of decades ago, but it never happened.  It should.
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RobbieL2415

CT 194 should be extended south down Buckland Road, South Windsor/Manchester.

Middle Turnpike West/East in Manchester, CT should really be signed CT 44A.

MA 148 should probably be extended into Holland, MA via Holland Road, Sturbridge Road, and Stafford Road.  Once in CT it should probably given a different number because IIRC 148 is already taken here. Holland isn't served directly by any SR.




RobbieL2415

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 15, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 15, 2018, 09:10:20 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 15, 2018, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 14, 2018, 10:01:04 PM
MA 148 extension:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/42.1470338,-71.9880573/42.2131204,-71.8804167/42.2587941,-71.8062841/@42.2131427,-71.9315038,11.74z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0
Don't you mean MA 169 extension?  MA 148 is located about 7 miles west of your southerly starting point.

Yes. Sorry. MA 148 would deserve a southward extension to CT 19 if CT 148 didn't already exist, though.

Actually, I would extend MA 148 south to take over CT 171 via Holland Rd/Sturbridge Rd and Mashapaug Rd.  I would just renumber CT 148 to CT 48, which is available.  I would also extend route 272 across the MA line to end at MA 57/183 in New Marlborough

I have many ideas for CT cities, since many have a habit of sending routes around them or having them end at some point.:



Bridgeport: Extend CT 111 south along Main St to end at US 1
Bristol: Entend CT 372 west along the old CT 72 route to end at CT 229.

Danbury: Return US 6/202 to its old route through downtown. US 6 follows Newtown Rd to its current route, and US 202 branches off onto Federal Rd. to rejoin its current route.

Hartford area: Extend CT 218 south to CT 175 in Newington along North/South Main, Newington Rd, West Hartford Rd, and Fenn Rd. Extend CT 4 east on  Farmington Ave, Asylum Ave, Jewell St, and Whitehead Highway to end at I-91.  Extend CT 99 north through Hartford along Wethersfield Ave and Main St to take over the southern half of CT 159 to Windsor.  CT 159 south end rerouted to end at Kennedy Rd/I-91 in Windsor.  Reroute US 6 off of I-84 via New Britain Ave, Barnard St, Main St, over the Founders Bridge, and on its old route through East Hartford on Pitkin St, Jace St, East River Dr, and Silver Lane/Spencer St/West Center St to join its current route in Manchester.

Meriden/Waterbury area:  Extend CT 66 west to Woodbury along East and West Main St in Meriden, CT 322, SR 844, duplex with CT 69, East and West Main St, Chase Parkway, and CT 64.  I-691 extended to end of freeway.  Extend CT 70 west to CT 69.
   
Middletown:  Extend CT 154 north along Saybrook Rd, Main St Ext, Pleasant St, and Main St to end at CT 66.  Extend CT 155 east to Saybrook Rd.

New Britain: Extend CT 174 west to CT 372 via East Main St, Main St, and SR 555.  Reuse the CT 171 number on CT 71A and extend it to CT 4 in Farmington along Arch St, Main St, Beaver St, Farmington Ave, Fienemann Rd, SR 549, and South Rd.  Extend CT 175 west along Allen St to end at Farmington Ave.  In Newington, extend CT 287 west along the rest of Robbins Ave.

New Haven: US 5 should be re-extended along State St in New Haven to end at US 1 as it used to.  CT 10 should continue on Whitney Ave from Hamden Center and continue on Church and Temple St to end at US 1.  CT 63 can be extended along Whalley Ave and other streets to end at Church St by the Green.  Give all of Dixwell Ave a new route number from Broadway to US 5 in North Haven.  Ella Grasso Blvd can also be renumbered, while the section of CT 10 through SCSU can be decommissioned.

Waterbury: Extend CT 70 west along East Main St to CT 69

Statewide: Old routings of CT 2 and CT 8 can be numbered.  Extend CT 85 north to CT 83 in Rockville.  Extend CT 194 south to US 6/44 in Manchester on Buckland St and Adams St.
This switch is literally as simple as putting shields up as Cidermill Road, Lake Street, Tunnel Road, and West Street are already State-maintained.  I'm not sure as to why they haven't extended it yet.



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