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Started by mtantillo, August 14, 2012, 11:02:35 PM

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froggie

Quote from: sprjus4 on October 21, 2023, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 21, 2023, 09:59:57 PM
All well and good in Stafford County.  The problem is there isn't room for such in Fairfax County without some pretty significant engineering and construction (and probably right-of-way).
Perhaps VDOT should get the ball rolling on such a thing. Elevated or sunken express lanes are both options, and both have been successfully implemented in other areas. They're not impossible.

I never said they were impossible.  Technically and engineering-wise, yes it is possible.  But what you continually ignore on this forum is the political and financial reality.

Sure, Transurban sold the state on a "sweet deal" to invest a few billion in the existing lanes.  But to get bi-directional through the aforementioned choke points would require a order-of-magnitude higher investment.  How high would tolls have to get for Transurban to pony up that much more cash?  And, moreso, would the traveling public be willing to accept that higher toll?  They're already screaming enough as it is.


1995hoo

Here is something new starting next week. I'm having trouble envisioning where this "diversion" will occur. The only slip ramp I can picture for northbound traffic in that area is down by the Prince William Parkway.

https://twitter.com/VAExpressLanes/status/1720075304612642904
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Mapmikey

Quote from: 1995hoo on November 02, 2023, 09:51:36 AM
Here is something new starting next week. I'm having trouble envisioning where this "diversion" will occur. The only slip ramp I can picture for northbound traffic in that area is down by the Prince William Parkway.

https://twitter.com/VAExpressLanes/status/1720075304612642904

This is the ramp they mean...
https://maps.app.goo.gl/PtUENt1U1o92VXGf7

froggie

Given the description, the slip ramp near PW Pkwy does seem logical.

1995hoo

Quote from: Mapmikey on November 02, 2023, 12:57:20 PM
This is the ramp they mean...
https://maps.app.goo.gl/PtUENt1U1o92VXGf7

Thanks. That's the one I thought of, but I wouldn't consider that to be "near" Route 123, especially in view of the map they posted.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Mapmikey

Quote from: 1995hoo on November 02, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on November 02, 2023, 12:57:20 PM
This is the ramp they mean...
https://maps.app.goo.gl/PtUENt1U1o92VXGf7

Thanks. That's the one I thought of, but I wouldn't consider that to be "near" Route 123, especially in view of the map they posted.

It's signed for VA 123 which may be the source of their description.  If they said "at VA 294" that would confuse people because there is no VA 294 posting NB on the express lanes.

1995hoo

Channel 4 just reported that the remaining new access points for the I-95 HO/T lanes' southern extension will open on December 7.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Mapmikey

They have now redone the segments at the south end of I-95 in both directions.  As was predicted, SB the last segment is SR 610 to US 17; NB the first segment is US 17 to the first possible exit, the slip ramp to access Exit 148 Quantico MCB.

Two unusual things:  NB from US 17, the toll rates are shown for Quantico and Dumfries, always the same price.  Because you would use the same Exit 148 slip ramp.  But it is not signed as being for Dumfries.

The other is that at both the SR 610 entrance ramps to NB and the new last entrance ramp from 95 SB to the lanes, they list prices for destinations that are not in the same segment.  Then shortly after entering the lanes you get another set of toll rates if you don't depart at the next exit.  The values are always less than what was on the mainline signs you just went under.  This may be confusing to motorists when they think they should be charged the lower numbers.

Also, they have not expanded the 70 mph zone with the opening of the Quantico area ramps (though there are still some temporary jersey walls up).

02 Park Ave

Have the weekday hours of southbound operation of the I-95 Express lanes changed?  They used to open before Noon but now 1:00 pm is listed for their opening.
C-o-H

1995hoo

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on May 05, 2024, 08:31:35 PMHave the weekday hours of southbound operation of the I-95 Express lanes changed?  They used to open before Noon but now 1:00 pm is listed for their opening.

In past years it has varied by season. They open earlier in the summer and later in the winter. I don't remember when they make the adjustment, though, nor do I know whether the latest extension will affect the schedule.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

NJRoadfan

They also change the holiday/weekend schedules from time to time. New Year's Day they had the lanes pointed south all day when they are usually north.

Mapmikey

Quote from: Mapmikey on December 28, 2023, 06:35:00 AMThey have now redone the segments at the south end of I-95 in both directions.  As was predicted, SB the last segment is SR 610 to US 17; NB the first segment is US 17 to the first possible exit, the slip ramp to access Exit 148 Quantico MCB.

Two unusual things:  NB from US 17, the toll rates are shown for Quantico and Dumfries, always the same price.  Because you would use the same Exit 148 slip ramp.  But it is not signed as being for Dumfries.

The other is that at both the SR 610 entrance ramps to NB and the new last entrance ramp from 95 SB to the lanes, they list prices for destinations that are not in the same segment.  Then shortly after entering the lanes you get another set of toll rates if you don't depart at the next exit.  The values are always less than what was on the mainline signs you just went under.  This may be confusing to motorists when they think they should be charged the lower numbers.

Also, they have not expanded the 70 mph zone with the opening of the Quantico area ramps (though there are still some temporary jersey walls up).

This morning they have appeared to changed the first NB segment to be US 17 to SR 644 Springfield.  Toll rates were shown for Quantico, VA 123 and SR 644 at Fredericksburg.  This is probably a net benefit for me as I lock in a lower price for the entire 37 miles when there's little congestion at 5 a.m. most days.

bluecountry

BTW why is it when I enter 95 SB at 123, the control city is Fredericksburg not Richmond?

Rothman

Quote from: bluecountry on June 21, 2024, 01:58:29 PMBTW why is it when I enter 95 SB at 123, the control city is Fredericksburg not Richmond?

Wrong thread.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

sprjus4

Quote from: bluecountry on June 21, 2024, 01:58:29 PMBTW why is it when I enter 95 SB at 123, the control city is Fredericksburg not Richmond?
Because I-95 southbound goes through Fredericksburg?

Mapmikey

Quote from: bluecountry on June 21, 2024, 01:58:29 PMBTW why is it when I enter 95 SB at 123, the control city is Fredericksburg not Richmond?

Fredericksburg (and Alexandria) used to be control cities on I-95.  Some vestiges of this remain...

Exit 104 - https://maps.app.goo.gl/QDy9rrGWqafZdihm6
Exit 110 - https://maps.app.goo.gl/LPwzu1tGUcbfxvcA6
Exit 119 - https://maps.app.goo.gl/cDU76aXu4MgHYGNr7
Exit 148 - https://maps.app.goo.gl/jC5RiJ9WXkxD64EX6
Exit 148, now removed - https://maps.app.goo.gl/dwmf6aYJBgtJpQtNA
Exit 150 - https://maps.app.goo.gl/XHhpXfqm6S4HWG4x5

bluecountry

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 21, 2024, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on June 21, 2024, 01:58:29 PMBTW why is it when I enter 95 SB at 123, the control city is Fredericksburg not Richmond?
Because I-95 southbound goes through Fredericksburg?
But on other signs it is Richmond.

sprjus4

Quote from: bluecountry on June 23, 2024, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 21, 2024, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on June 21, 2024, 01:58:29 PMBTW why is it when I enter 95 SB at 123, the control city is Fredericksburg not Richmond?
Because I-95 southbound goes through Fredericksburg?
But on other signs it is Richmond.
They're both accurate control cities.

bluecountry

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 23, 2024, 11:20:04 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on June 23, 2024, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 21, 2024, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on June 21, 2024, 01:58:29 PMBTW why is it when I enter 95 SB at 123, the control city is Fredericksburg not Richmond?
Because I-95 southbound goes through Fredericksburg?
But on other signs it is Richmond.
They're both accurate control cities.
They should be consistent.  Use 1 or the other or both on the sign.



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