https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/mls-stadium-will-go-north-of-market-street-include-practice/article_c452cf5a-cee8-56a8-b50e-1cbdde830bb4.html#2
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/2a/52ae343c-59e7-5252-a434-9b62bfb209a1/5db8ca67136d7.image.jpg?resize=750%2C482)
view is looking Northwest from Market & 20th
St Louis has been awarded a Major League Soccer Expansion Team, and the new stadium has a site and plan
Best I can tell, the site is at least partially old ROW for the cancelled MO 755 Freeway
I assume the ramps to/from 64-40 going under Market St to Chestnut St and from Pine St will have to to bye-bye
Anyone have any more info on the plans vs what the Post-Dispatch has reported?
From the article it appears MoDOT still owns some of the land, but there is the structure of a deal to get it to the new franchise owners to build the new stadium
This is highway related, since it is cancelled Freeway ROW
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 30, 2019, 06:51:16 PM
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/mls-stadium-will-go-north-of-market-street-include-practice/article_c452cf5a-cee8-56a8-b50e-1cbdde830bb4.html#2
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/2a/52ae343c-59e7-5252-a434-9b62bfb209a1/5db8ca67136d7.image.jpg?resize=750%2C482)
view is looking Northwest from Market & 20th
St Louis has been awarded a Major League Soccer Expansion Team, and the new stadium has a site and plan
Best I can tell, the site is at least partially old ROW for the cancelled MO 755 Freeway
I assume the ramps to/from 64-40 going under Market St to Chestnut St and from Pine St will have to to bye-bye
Anyone have any more info on the plans vs what the Post-Dispatch has reported?
From the article it appears MoDOT still owns some of the land, but there is the structure of a deal to get it to the new franchise owners to build the new stadium
This is highway related, since it is cancelled Freeway ROW
Seems like a good location for a stadium. Pretty close to Downtown. Within a few blocks of Union Station. Near I-64. Available land.
I would imagine if they take out the ramps, they would instead put in a full interchange at jefferson ave (serving all directions with onramps and offramps) to help provide access to the area.
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/2a/52ae343c-59e7-5252-a434-9b62bfb209a1/5db8ca67136d7.image.jpg?resize=750%2C482)
Is anyone else bothered by the scale of the stadium in this image? Comparing the relative scale of the vehicles and lanes of the street on the left end of the image this soccer stadium looks abnormally SMALL. The site footprint looks no bigger than that of an ordinary theater multiplex. Not a facility that can hold tens of thousands of soccer fans.
The site is basically 4 City Blocks...bordered by 20th on the East, Market on the South, 22nd St on the West, and Pine St on the North
Busch Stadium is 6 City Blocks (2 N-S, 3 E-W).
Enterprise Center + Parking Garage + Stifel Theatre + St Louis Government building all occupy a 4 City Block area together
Maybe it is not a good rendering...but there is space on this old Freeway ROW
Also keep in mind that soccer stadiums in the US are not as big as professional football and baseball stadiums. This stadium is planned to seat 22,500, which would be a little above average for MLS. There are very few soccer stadiums in the world that hold over 50,000 (home grounds for Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Barcelona, and AC Milan/Inter Milan are a few that quickly come to mind).
Doesn't Estadio Azteca in Mexico City seat over 80,000?
Soccer is played outside of Europe
That said, yeah, this new St Louis stadium is not exactly a 50,000 seat facility
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 01, 2019, 12:40:26 AM
The site is basically 4 City Blocks...bordered by 20th on the East, Market on the South, 22nd St on the West, and Pine St on the North
Busch Stadium is 6 City Blocks (2 N-S, 3 E-W).
Enterprise Center + Parking Garage + Stifel Theatre + St Louis Government building all occupy a 4 City Block area together
Maybe it is not a good rendering...but there is space on this old Freeway ROW
If the stadium would only take up space north of Market, then they could still keep most of the ramps and just bring them to connect to Market instead of Chestnut and Pine.
But the increased value of the nearby land would probably make it beneficial to develop the area south of Market as well. Then, it would be necessary to provide a WB exit and an EB entrance from I-64 to Jefferson.
It may also be beneficial to connect Clark from 21st to 22nd and to provide a surface street connection of some sort between 18th and 20th south of Union Station (Spruce or Poplar) to provide greater connectivity as the area gets further developed. There is already an access road through the parking lot, it should be turned into a regular street.
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 01, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
Doesn't Estadio Azteca in Mexico City seat over 80,000?
Soccer is played outside of Europe
That said, yeah, this new St Louis stadium is not exactly a 50,000 seat facility
Yes, Azteca seats about 87,000. The ones I listed are just the arenas I could think of off the top of my head as I mostly follow the EPL and UEFA Champions and Europa Leagues. PSG, Bayern, and Dortmund also play in larger stadiums as do River Plate and all the teams that share the Maracana in Brazil.
Quote from: rlb2024 on November 01, 2019, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 01, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
Doesn't Estadio Azteca in Mexico City seat over 80,000?
Soccer is played outside of Europe
That said, yeah, this new St Louis stadium is not exactly a 50,000 seat facility
Yes, Azteca seats about 87,000. The ones I listed are just the arenas I could think of off the top of my head as I mostly follow the EPL and UEFA Champions and Europa Leagues. PSG, Bayern, and Dortmund also play in larger stadiums as do River Plate and all the teams that share the Maracana in Brazil.
This form likes to hate on soccer, so I don't think anyone knows what those teams are (I do, I'm a fellow soccer fan :)
Quote from: thspfc on November 02, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
This form likes to hate on soccer, so I don't think anyone knows what those teams are (I do, I'm a fellow soccer fan :)
Well the new St Louis MLS Franchise just happens to give us a Soccer AND Road/Highway related story, since the stadium is to be built on mostly vacant land that is ROW for a cancelled freeway!
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 02, 2019, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 02, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
This form likes to hate on soccer, so I don't think anyone knows what those teams are (I do, I'm a fellow soccer fan :)
Well the new St Louis MLS Franchise just happens to give us a Soccer AND Road/Highway related story, since the stadium is to be built on mostly vacant land that is ROW for a cancelled freeway!
Idea: Replace the south practice field with a two-level parking garage for the complex, and reconfigure the old ramps to exit to the first level. Put MO 755 signs on the ramps, and keep the route numbering through the structure to the north wall, with end route signs on the support pillars. Clark Street would connect across the gap at the second level of the parking garage, bridging over the ramps. (The area would be graded so that Clark Street is technically a surface street, and the ramps and first level of the garage are "underground" on the south side.)
Text visualization attempt (cross section from I-64 mainline looking north):
Clark Street Parking level 2 Parking level 2 Clark Street
Graded land I-64 ramps (MO 755) Parking level 1 Graded land
Map visualization (overhead):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DAEPk21e--0iWANBSmWrelLVwXu1DEHp&usp=sharing ("Ideas too small for separate categories" section, teal lines)
Too far Fictional?
Could just name the Soccer team "Saint Louis FC 755" ...
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 03, 2019, 01:01:17 AM
Could just name the Soccer team "Saint Louis FC 755" ...
With a sign in front of the main entrance that looks like an official MO 755 state highway sign.
Quote from: X99 on November 03, 2019, 01:03:42 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 03, 2019, 01:01:17 AM
Could just name the Soccer team "Saint Louis FC 755" ...
With a sign in front of the main entrance that looks like an official MO 755 state highway sign.
Unless the team goes with Black and White for Colors, whatever color scheme is employed, I would be ok with a team-colored version of a standard MO Shield...but there should be some type of indicator that its to a Parking Garage, not a State Road, Highway, or Freeway
Other than those of us in the roadgeek community, how many average STL people even know the overpowered Market St Exit near Union Station is from a cancelled Freeway project, let alone the numbered designation of said cancelled Freeway?
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 03, 2019, 01:09:56 AM
Quote from: X99 on November 03, 2019, 01:03:42 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 03, 2019, 01:01:17 AM
Could just name the Soccer team "Saint Louis FC 755" ...
With a sign in front of the main entrance that looks like an official MO 755 state highway sign.
Unless the team goes with Black and White for Colors, whatever color scheme is employed, I would be ok with a team-colored version of a standard MO Shield...but there should be some type of indicator that its to a Parking Garage, not a State Road, Highway, or Freeway
In that case, the "signs" would probably be painted on the walls of the garage. Northbound, the first sign would be on the outer wall above the ramp entrance, and the second would be an end route sign painted on a conveniently located support column at the north end of the parking garage (or if no column is available, painted on the far wall). Southbound would probably only be one sign marking the start of the "route" at the north end of the garage, since a freestanding end route sign just outside of the garage on the ramp would probably be frowned upon by MoDOT. This would also mean no 755 signs on the BGS's on I-64.
Also, I didn't think of the team colors thing. That's a good idea, matching the colors on the sign with the team colors.
it is 11:15 pm and i am severely overthinking this
Couldn't the new soccer team just play their games at the existing stadium The Dome at America's Center, where the St. Louis Rams football team played before they moved back to Los Angeles in 2015?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 05, 2019, 03:14:27 PM
Couldn't the new soccer team just play their games at the existing stadium The Dome at America's Center, where the St. Louis Rams football team played before they moved back to Los Angeles in 2015?
No. Facility is too large and not suited to soccer with a turf field. Yes, some teams play on artificial turf but they try to avoid it if possible. I imagine part of the agreement to grant an expansion franchise was a soccer-specific stadium with natural grass.
Quote from: rlb2024 on November 05, 2019, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 05, 2019, 03:14:27 PM
Couldn't the new soccer team just play their games at the existing stadium The Dome at America's Center, where the St. Louis Rams football team played before they moved back to Los Angeles in 2015?
No. Facility is too large and not suited to soccer with a turf field. Yes, some teams play on artificial turf but they try to avoid it if possible. I imagine part of the agreement to grant an expansion franchise was a soccer-specific stadium with natural grass.
On an area that is currently a bunch of pavement. How do they expect the grass to grow normally with that? I'll bet that in 10 or 15 years, the ROW of the old ramp will still be visible on Google Maps aerials showing differences in the field, unless they put a ton of dirt on top of it.
Quote from: X99 on November 05, 2019, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: rlb2024 on November 05, 2019, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 05, 2019, 03:14:27 PM
Couldn't the new soccer team just play their games at the existing stadium The Dome at America's Center, where the St. Louis Rams football team played before they moved back to Los Angeles in 2015?
No. Facility is too large and not suited to soccer with a turf field. Yes, some teams play on artificial turf but they try to avoid it if possible. I imagine part of the agreement to grant an expansion franchise was a soccer-specific stadium with natural grass.
On an area that is currently a bunch of pavement. How do they expect the grass to grow normally with that? I'll bet that in 10 or 15 years, the ROW of the old ramp will still be visible on Google Maps aerials showing differences in the field, unless they put a ton of dirt on top of it.
The playing surface is planned to be about 40 feet below street level so any trace of the existing pavement will be long gone. This is common with most new stadiums to have the playing field well below the surrounding area -- they don't have to build as high, plus the entry from street level is more aesthetic.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 05, 2019, 03:14:27 PM
Couldn't the new soccer team just play their games at the existing stadium The Dome at America's Center, where the St. Louis Rams football team played before they moved back to Los Angeles in 2015?
The current scheme in Major (sic) League Soccer is to hit up cities for "soccer specific stadiums" which is an entirely North American term which can be translated as "small" .
This is an illiterate term in two ways. First, on the two continents where soccer is popular, Europe and South America, soccer is played in some of the largest stadiums on earth, and the idea that something small would be "soccer specific" would be met with puzzlement. Second, these "soccer specific" places are just fine for regular football, rugby, lacrosse or other rectangular field sports. In fact, Toronto's is used by the CFL, LA's, temporally, by the NFL, Houston's by a small college football team, and Dallas' is the home of the NCAA I-AA football championship. All have hosted other rectangular field sports.
It is mostly a cover for not playing before seas of empty seats.
I'm not a soccer fan, so I wouldn't know any of those things listed above.
Quote from: SP Cook on November 06, 2019, 10:11:05 AM
The current scheme in Major (sic) League Soccer is to hit up cities for "soccer specific stadiums" which is an entirely North American term which can be translated as "small" .
The Chicago Fire are going the other way: They are leaving the Soccer Specific Toyota Park/SeatGeek Stadium in SW Suburban Bridgeview and heading back Downtown to Soldier Field for their Home games beginning next season
Soldier Field is certainly not "Soccer Specific"
The ramp from eastbound I-64 to 20th Street has been removed from Google Maps. The other ramps remain in place, but probably not for long.
Quote from: X99 on February 25, 2020, 07:31:14 PM
The ramp from eastbound I-64 to 20th Street has been removed from Google Maps. The other ramps remain in place, but probably not for long.
That ramp has been removed, and Google Maps reports the other "755" /Market St ramps and 2 blocks of Pine St near the future stadium site are closed until Dec 2021
I'm guessing the 64-40 interchange designed for where MO 755 was to meet is either doomed, or at least it will be completely redesigned as the old Freeway ROW is developed as the new Soccer Stadium
Quote from: SP Cook on November 06, 2019, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 05, 2019, 03:14:27 PM
Couldn't the new soccer team just play their games at the existing stadium The Dome at America's Center, where the St. Louis Rams football team played before they moved back to Los Angeles in 2015?
The current scheme in Major (sic) League Soccer is to hit up cities for "soccer specific stadiums" which is an entirely North American term which can be translated as "small" .
This is an illiterate term in two ways. First, on the two continents where soccer is popular, Europe and South America, soccer is played in some of the largest stadiums on earth, and the idea that something small would be "soccer specific" would be met with puzzlement. Second, these "soccer specific" places are just fine for regular football, rugby, lacrosse or other rectangular field sports. In fact, Toronto's is used by the CFL, LA's, temporally, by the NFL, Houston's by a small college football team, and Dallas' is the home of the NCAA I-AA football championship. All have hosted other rectangular field sports.
It is mostly a cover for not playing before seas of empty seats.
That "small college football team" in Houston happens to be Texas Southern University. They struck a deal to use the local MLS soccer stadium for their home football games because their lease with the University of Houston to use the latter's stadium (Robertson Stadium) expired years ago, and using Reliant Stadium (where the NFL's Houston Texans play) got to be too expensive. (When the Astrodome was still viable, they used that stadium.) TxSU does not have an on-campus football stadium, and don't have the funding to create one.
Funny, but downsizing stadia didn't prevent Atlanta's MLS franchise from using the Falcons' new arena (Mercedes Benz Stadium) for their games....and, their crowd support actually outdid the Falcons last year.
Quote from: Anthony_JK on February 26, 2020, 01:13:49 PM
Funny, but downsizing stadia didn't prevent Atlanta's MLS franchise from using the Falcons' new arena (Mercedes Benz Stadium) for their games....and, their crowd support actually outdid the Falcons last year.
This is off topic, but it's really a shame that Arthur Blank built a masterpiece of a stadium only for it to be half full on Falcons game days. Makes you wonder where he got the money to build that thing.
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 25, 2020, 11:33:16 PM
Quote from: X99 on February 25, 2020, 07:31:14 PM
The ramp from eastbound I-64 to 20th Street has been removed from Google Maps. The other ramps remain in place, but probably not for long.
That ramp has been removed, and Google Maps reports the other "755" /Market St ramps and 2 blocks of Pine St near the future stadium site are closed until Dec 2021
I'm guessing the 64-40 interchange designed for where MO 755 was to meet is either doomed, or at least it will be completely redesigned as the old Freeway ROW is developed as the new Soccer Stadium
MODOT is planning a complete redesign. Link (https://www.modot.org/i-64-jefferson-interchange)
Quote from: thspfc on February 26, 2020, 01:17:19 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on February 26, 2020, 01:13:49 PM
Funny, but downsizing stadia didn't prevent Atlanta's MLS franchise from using the Falcons' new arena (Mercedes Benz Stadium) for their games....and, their crowd support actually outdid the Falcons last year.
This is off topic, but it's really a shame that Arthur Blank built a masterpiece of a stadium only for it to be half full on Falcons game days. Makes you wonder where he got the money to build that thing.
Shoppers at Home Depot (https://money.com/how-the-owner-of-the-superbowl-bound-atlanta-falcons-made-his-billions/)
Quote from: skluth on February 29, 2020, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 25, 2020, 11:33:16 PM
Quote from: X99 on February 25, 2020, 07:31:14 PM
The ramp from eastbound I-64 to 20th Street has been removed from Google Maps. The other ramps remain in place, but probably not for long.
That ramp has been removed, and Google Maps reports the other "755" /Market St ramps and 2 blocks of Pine St near the future stadium site are closed until Dec 2021
I'm guessing the 64-40 interchange designed for where MO 755 was to meet is either doomed, or at least it will be completely redesigned as the old Freeway ROW is developed as the new Soccer Stadium
MODOT is planning a complete redesign. Link (https://www.modot.org/i-64-jefferson-interchange)
Looks like the remnants of MO 755 at the 64-40 interchange at Market St are doomed
I like the plan. Make Jefferson a full interchange, connect 22nd St over 64-40 and make it continuous north to Olive and make the 64-40 interchange serve both 22nd and Jefferson, and making Clark Ave E-W continuous across the existing interchange area
The new design should serve the Union Station area and the new Soccer Stadium and neighborhood around well
^ Except Jefferson, which has greater continuity should get the full access, not 22nd Street.
Quote from: Revive 755 on February 29, 2020, 11:19:01 PM
^ Except Jefferson, which has greater continuity should get the full access, not 22nd Street.
From the plans, it appears Jefferson will have full access, and the Jefferson and 22nd St exits will be a Frontage Rd connected exit system, as the two are pretty short distance from each other
The Frontage Rds will give Jefferson access to 64-40 to/from the east
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 01, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on February 29, 2020, 11:19:01 PM
^ Except Jefferson, which has greater continuity should get the full access, not 22nd Street.
From the plans, it appears Jefferson will have full access, and the Jefferson and 22nd St exits will be a Frontage Rd connected exit system, as the two are pretty short distance from each other
The Frontage Rds will give Jefferson access to 64-40 to/from the east
I lived in STL until Summer 2018. Jefferson at I-40 is a disaster during the morning and evening rush hours with traffic on Jefferson going between I-44 and Wells Fargo (formerly AG Edwards) at Market. This will only get worse once the new NGA campus opens in two years at Jefferson and Cass. The new exit should allow some of the traffic to NGA to divert onto 22nd and prevent a total traffic catastrophe. Adding a DDI at I-40 and Jefferson would help this project (though not as much as getting rid of the cross-traffic at Clark, especially the UPS traffic), but AFAIK that's not in the plans.
Quote from: skluth on March 01, 2020, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 01, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on February 29, 2020, 11:19:01 PM
^ Except Jefferson, which has greater continuity should get the full access, not 22nd Street.
From the plans, it appears Jefferson will have full access, and the Jefferson and 22nd St exits will be a Frontage Rd connected exit system, as the two are pretty short distance from each other
The Frontage Rds will give Jefferson access to 64-40 to/from the east
I lived in STL until Summer 2018. Jefferson at I-40 is a disaster during the morning and evening rush hours with traffic on Jefferson going between I-44 and Wells Fargo (formerly AG Edwards) at Market. This will only get worse once the new NGA campus opens in two years at Jefferson and Cass. The new exit should allow some of the traffic to NGA to divert onto 22nd and prevent a total traffic catastrophe. Adding a DDI at I-40 and Jefferson would help this project (though not as much as getting rid of the cross-traffic at Clark, especially the UPS traffic), but AFAIK that's not in the plans.
I-40?
^^^^^Pretty sure that is supposed to reference I-44, which just west of Downtown STL, pretty much runs parallel to 64-40 for a few miles about a mile or two to the south of 64-40, before it breaks to the Southwest on its way to Springfield, MO then Tulsa, OK
The congestion described on Jefferson is part of the reason the MO 755 Freeway was proposed back in the day, and why the 55/44/Truman Pkwy as well as the 64-40/Market St Interchanges are designed the way they are, although as this thread points out, thanks to a new MLS Franchise and Stadium, not much longer for the 64-40/Market St Interchange
MO 755 was basically supposed to be a just west-to-north of Downtown Freeway Connector from 44-55 up to I-70. The route it would have taken, yeah I can see why it was cancelled. Truman Pkwy/18th St would be a little more useful if it had an Interchange @ 64-40, but I don't see that happening any time soon
Re I-40. Oops. That should be I-64. I'm used to just referring to them as 40 and 44. (At least most of the oldtimers who pronounced it fahr-tee have died off.) But Jefferson at 40/64 is a disaster at rush hour.
Update here. MoDOT will close 64-40 downtown/between the PSB and Jefferson Ave to remove the Overpass for the Flyover from Pine St of the cancelled MO 755/64-40 Interchange this weekend. Closure begins Aug 14th/Friday night at 8
For old time's sake, the STL Post-Dispatch online article refers to 64-40 simply as "Highway 40"
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/all-lanes-of-highway-40-to-close-in-downtown-st-louis-this-weekend-stan-span/article_89737c28-aad5-52f5-ac83-2ceb68c65ba8.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest
The same article also mentions work on the Stan Span/I-70 bridge to repair some of the bridge cables damaged in a car fire. Eastbound lane closures from today Aug 12 thru Friday Aug 14
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 12, 2020, 01:01:45 PMFor old time's sake, the STL Post-Dispatch online article refers to 64-40 simply as "Highway 40"
I know MoDOT made a big push to get everyone on board with calling it I-64 during and after the reconstruction project, and the Post-Dispatch stuck to their guns on their in-house style guide and kept referring to it as Highway 40. I'm a little surprised they haven't given up on that yet, though. Oh well, I guess it's the St. Louis way to sit stubborn as change passes you by. :)
Also, something I noticed on the MoDOT page about the rebuild project:
Quote
What is the problem?
The section of I-64 in St. Louis City between 21st Street and Compton is one of the last sections of the interstate that remains as the original interstate construction from the late 1950s and early 1960s.
But... it wasn't an interstate when that section was built.
The Post-Dispatch's website has posted a story about the overpass being removed on Saturday Aug 15:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/pine-street-bridge-highway-40-interstate-64-in-st-louis-torn-down/collection_2c984770-d6ed-534d-a4aa-af50553799bb.html#1 At least this time the Post-Dispatch recognized the roadway as "Highway 40 (Interstate 64)"
Multiple pictures on the website published with the story, both of the Overpass removal process, in addition to work at the Soccer Stadium site. I'll direct post one with the bridge demolished over the Freeway lanes. Photos from the article, as well as the story itself, are all credited to David Carson dcarson@post-dispatch.com
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/7f/b7f960e4-8365-5056-9982-ccf00cf9c80a/5f38645a9c832.image.jpg?resize=1700%2C1133)
A couple of thoughts:
- It isn't clear from the PDF how the WB entrance from Jefferson merges with 64 before the Market St exit ramp. That looks like an extremely short merge area that will cause massive weaving.
- I hope the City takes out the Market St bridge next to the soccer stadium site before they start with infill.
- I agree with Revive755, Jefferson should have been the fill interchange (IMO a SPUI) with 22nd St being the secondary. I can only assume the reason they didn't is the soccer stadium.
Quote from: rte66man on August 16, 2020, 09:20:32 AM
A couple of thoughts:
- It isn't clear from the PDF how the WB entrance from Jefferson merges with 64 before the Market St exit ramp. That looks like an extremely short merge area that will cause massive weaving.
The WB exit to 3000 Market Street and the EB entrance from Ewing are being removed. Might still be some weaving issues with the WB exit to Grand Avenue and Forest Park Avenue.
The Facebook Group "Missouri's Historic Highways" posted photos from the early 1960s showing the construction of Highway 40 from the Poplar Street Bridge to Market Street. Interestingly, the original plans for the "North-South Distributor" showed ramps on either end connecting 21st and 22nd.
(https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/116907684_3085118041523945_1258832261551355217_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=9RlwQqEveM0AX9Md-Qk&_nc_ht=scontent.fmkc1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=1194f259f430f9ae5407f3dfd39cef49&oe=5F5F24A9)
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I drove down to the arch today. Here are some photos from the Chestnut/20th intersection.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50555218373_6a4be7ce2f_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k2oH76)
Partway demolished flyover ramp from Pine to 64 EB
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50555221708_276a0ffee3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k2oJ6A)
General earth-moving and preparation activity
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50555958391_042b0f6f39_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k2sv62)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50556092057_c7262001c0_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k2tbPB)
Grading and supports for the 22nd St ramps
For a review, a map of the project is here (https://www.modot.org/i-64-jefferson-interchange/).
Bonus at the Tamm overpass
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50556113077_99d14acc95_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k2ti52)
Flickr says all the images in your post are private.
Quote from: adt1982 on November 19, 2020, 10:47:44 PM
Flickr says all the images in your post are private.
Changed it. Should be available.
The project appears to be coming along. The structure of the stadium in particular looks to be nearly finished.
(https://i.imgur.com/DvZk80v.png)
It is further along than that. I didn't take pictures last time I was in town, but it is coming together nicely. The new 22nd St interchange is also coming together
Saw a 360 drone photo of the new soccer stadium area on Facebook. The new 64/40 interchanges are visible if turning to south, also
I'm not even going to try to insert a 360/movable picture here
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=684904716325076&id=100044166620710