This is completely out of left field, but beginning in fall 2023, NBC (the same network that once prided itself on Must-See TV) may stop programming its 10 PM shows and give that hour back to its local affiliates (including WMAQ in Chicago and KING in Seattle). Obviously Sunday Night Football and other sports-related programming (like the Olympics) will be unaffected by the change, but what about Fallon and Myers? And might the other two networks (CBS and ABC) follow suit? Hopefully not, as they've been the strongest-performing ones over the last several years.
The full story is below:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nbc-considers-dropping-10-pm-175645713.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Quote from: Henry on August 30, 2022, 12:40:03 PMObviously Sunday Night Football and other sports-related programming (like the Olympics) will be unaffected by the change, but what about Fallon and Myers?
QuoteThe move would also impact late-night, with "The Tonight Show With Jimmy Fallon" likely moving up from its current 11:30 p.m. slot, where he currently competes against Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel for nighttime viewing.
Although, considering their fanbases seem to skew pretty heavily towards people under 40, they could probably shift both shows to Peacock and not lose any viewers.
Not really shocking that NBC is talking about that. But this is in relation to NBC's campaign to get more viewers to the Peacock app on their TV's.
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/big-ten/what-is-peacock-another-new-home-for-big-ten-games/article_3c9b00da-23fe-11ed-819f-5313197ad507.html (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/big-ten/what-is-peacock-another-new-home-for-big-ten-games/article_3c9b00da-23fe-11ed-819f-5313197ad507.html)
This is where the Peacock app comes into play in making NBC consider cutting hours to the 10pm timeslots.
https://news.yahoo.com/peacock-become-next-day-streaming-164712930.html (https://news.yahoo.com/peacock-become-next-day-streaming-164712930.html)
The biggest moneymaker for most affiliates for the past years has been news. News, like most sporting events is something that is normally watched live (although a lot of stations have packaged their previous news reports for online and streaming with ads) Fox has shown that it is profitable to just have two hours of primetime a night, and their affiliates have enjoyed the early hour long news rather than 30/35 minutes at 10 (or 11 on east/west coasts). "Hit" television show ratings of today would be an utter embarrassment to a network programmer of even 10 years ago. It is totally unreal how fast this has all occurred, even faster than you can say "Beta, VHS, Floppy disk".
Quote from: Henry on August 30, 2022, 12:40:03 PM
This is completely out of left field, but beginning in fall 2023, NBC (the same network that once prided itself on Must-See TV) may stop programming its 10 PM shows and give that hour back to its local affiliates (including WMAQ in Chicago and KING in Seattle). Obviously Sunday Night Football and other sports-related programming (like the Olympics) will be unaffected by the change, but what about Fallon and Myers? And might the other two networks (CBS and ABC) follow suit? Hopefully not, as they've been the strongest-performing ones over the last several years.
The full story is below:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nbc-considers-dropping-10-pm-175645713.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
So FOX has never had a 10pm (9pm CT) hour, and in any city where the FOX station or an independent station (like WGN in Chicago) have a strong local 10pm/9pm newscast, the era of streaming has provided TV viewers the convenience of watching their news an hour earlier and just streaming the NBC/ABC/CBS show later. So from that standpoint this makes total sense in allowing those networks to have more competitive local newscasts.
NBC tried a version of this about 10 years ago with the Leno show. Leno was moved to 10 PM with the hope he would get a "respectable third" every night. This made money for NBC, as the cost of the show was tiny compared to a filmed drama. The issue was the affiliates. Leno's show did so poorly it became a bad lead in for the late local news, which is highly profitable. The affiliates revolted and Leno went back to the Tonight Show.
The affiliates are again put in a bad spot with this move. They can either do local news at 10, which puts them in competition with established such shows on Fox and CW and out of sync with their real competitors at ABC and CBS. Compounded that in most mid sized and small markets the 10 PM news is produced by one of the big three affiliates (in my area NBC produces the CW news and ABC the Fox News at 10). And then show the (very unfunny IMHO) Tonight Show at 10:35 or toss up something filmed at 10 and keep everything on pattern at 11 and 11:35. But there is nothing out there available to show.
The secret is that, like every streamer except Netflix and Hulu, both of which are headed for a decline, all streamers are bleeding money by the bucket full. NBC wants to drive more people to its very mediocre Peacock service.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 29, 2022, 06:35:37 PM
20th century technology was all about solving problems.
21st century technology is about creating new problems so they can sell you solutions you didn't need before they started changing things that were perfectly fine how they were.
Quote from: Henry on August 30, 2022, 12:40:03 PM
NBC (the same network that once prided itself on Must-See TV) may stop programming its 10 PM shows and give that hour back to its local affiliates (including WMAQ in Chicago and KING in Seattle).
Quote from: bing101 on August 30, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
This is where the Peacock app comes into play in making NBC consider cutting hours to the 10pm timeslots.
:hmmm: Did anyone else make this connection?
Quote from: kphoger on August 30, 2022, 02:23:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 29, 2022, 06:35:37 PM
20th century technology was all about solving problems.
21st century technology is about creating new problems so they can sell you solutions you didn't need before they started changing things that were perfectly fine how they were.
Quote from: Henry on August 30, 2022, 12:40:03 PM
NBC (the same network that once prided itself on Must-See TV) may stop programming its 10 PM shows and give that hour back to its local affiliates (including WMAQ in Chicago and KING in Seattle).
Quote from: bing101 on August 30, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
This is where the Peacock app comes into play in making NBC consider cutting hours to the 10pm timeslots.
:hmmm: Did anyone else make this connection?
Nope. There's a difference between bad unnecessary technology, and good helpful technology that is used too much or in the wrong way.
Peacock is by far the most annoying of any of the streaming services I've seen. Actually, it's not even Peacock that's the issue - it's the company that owns it, taking their flagship programs off networks and forcing people to get peacock. No other networks have forced their streaming services on viewers to nearly the extent NBC has.
In the interest of full disclosure... my family hasn't had cable TV in 10½ years, but we subscribe to Peacock. So this sort of thing actually benefits me.
Quote from: kphoger on August 30, 2022, 02:23:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 29, 2022, 06:35:37 PM
20th century technology was all about solving problems.
21st century technology is about creating new problems so they can sell you solutions you didn't need before they started changing things that were perfectly fine how they were.
Quote from: Henry on August 30, 2022, 12:40:03 PM
NBC (the same network that once prided itself on Must-See TV) may stop programming its 10 PM shows and give that hour back to its local affiliates (including WMAQ in Chicago and KING in Seattle).
Quote from: bing101 on August 30, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
This is where the Peacock app comes into play in making NBC consider cutting hours to the 10pm timeslots.
:hmmm: Did anyone else make this connection?
Once HBO figured out that they could produce their own television shows instead of just showing movies, without the broadcast restrictions against language and nudity no less, and came up with their first huge hit in The Sopranos, we were always going to end up here with the broadcast networks.
Once streaming technology advanced, and streaming services like Netflix started producing original content, the big four networks were all going to have to have their own streaming platforms, and they were going to have to move a certain amount of content to it to generate demand. Having all of your favorite shows remaining on network TV was never going to be realistic.
I do think things will improve in one way in that within the next 10 years, I think you'll be able to subscribe to bundle channels and streaming platforms directly from providers rather than having to get your channels through a 3rd party provider.
I'll use NBC/Comcast as an example. I think packages like this will soon be available for smart TVs:
Free: NBC Broadcast, Peacock free
Standard: NBC Broadcast, USA, MSNBC, Universal Kids, Peacock Premium
Entertainment: Standard + Bravo, E!, Oxygen, Syfy
Sports/Business: Standard + CNBC, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, NHL Network
Deluxe: Standard + Entertainment + Sports/Business + MSNBC World + CNBC World
Perhaps there's a deal with sports networks not owned by the big four like NFL Network and MLB Network to be in the Sports/Business package as well.
Traditional broadcast radio and TV in America have declined greatly in the past 25 years, but the wounds are self-inflicted. This didn't have to happen.
In radio, a station with a 10 share today is roughly equivalent to a station with a 0.1 share in the 1980s in terms of how much they will be remembered years from now. That's not an exaggeration. In fact, it may be an understatement. I don't think WCLU in the 1980s even got a 0.1, yet people who listened to it back then still talk about it fondly. Yet nobody can even remember what today's top-rated stations aired just yesterday.
It's humiliating.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 31, 2022, 09:48:51 AM
Traditional broadcast radio and TV in America have declined greatly in the past 25 years, but the wounds are self-inflicted. This didn't have to happen.
In radio, a station with a 10 share today is roughly equivalent to a station with a 0.1 share in the 1980s in terms of how much they will be remembered years from now. That's not an exaggeration. In fact, it may be an understatement. I don't think WCLU in the 1980s even got a 0.1, yet people who listened to it back then still talk about it fondly. Yet nobody can even remember what today's top-rated stations aired just yesterday.
It's humiliating.
And syndicated shows don't help radio's cause either, with iHeart as the main culprit behind it. In fact, I think there are too many of those as it is. Delilah, American Top 40 and Rush Limbaugh I have no problem with, but right now, there are lots more national shows than local hosts/DJs, and it's ruining what was once a great listening experience.
Quote from: Henry on August 31, 2022, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 31, 2022, 09:48:51 AM
Traditional broadcast radio and TV in America have declined greatly in the past 25 years, but the wounds are self-inflicted. This didn't have to happen.
In radio, a station with a 10 share today is roughly equivalent to a station with a 0.1 share in the 1980s in terms of how much they will be remembered years from now. That's not an exaggeration. In fact, it may be an understatement. I don't think WCLU in the 1980s even got a 0.1, yet people who listened to it back then still talk about it fondly. Yet nobody can even remember what today's top-rated stations aired just yesterday.
It's humiliating.
And syndicated shows don't help radio's cause either, with iHeart as the main culprit behind it. In fact, I think there are too many of those as it is. Delilah, American Top 40 and Rush Limbaugh I have no problem with, but right now, there are lots more national shows than local hosts/DJs, and it's ruining what was once a great listening experience.
This is part of the overall fragmentation of the advertising market and available options. With radio you also have satellite radio to contend with as well as Spotify, Pandora, etc. A lot of the national shows (not so much of the countdown shows from weekends) came out of the fact that it was cheaper to run those shows than pay for "talent" on the air. You could first pay minimum wage for the board op in a lot of small markets, or in this day and age you buy the computer software to run the commercials and broadcast the pre-recorded news and weather. No one is necessarily sitting at the board. For a lot of these small market stations, that's the difference between staying on air and going dark. The ad market is so scattered that you can't charge even inflation adjusted amounts anymore. In the case of iHeart, you also have to include the service cost for all the money they spent buying up radio stations, and now most of them are worth less.
Delilah and Rush Limbaugh both make me want to hurl, for completely opposite reasons.
That being said, even though Oklahoma City still has local talent for the most part, I don't really feel like they add a whole lot to the experience. If a guy is just reading out the name and artist of the song they just played and the station ident and nothing else, I don't care whether they're in Oklahoma City or American Falls, Idaho because they're not doing anything special. After all, Spotify or whatever will give you the same information.
KOMA (and before that KRXO) used to have a DJ named Dave Kelso, who was a font of random information about various classic rock songs and artists. He'd usually ramble off a few factoids about what he was about to play, which definitely made listening to him more entertaining. Unfortunately, he died of cancer a year or so ago.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 31, 2022, 08:12:57 PM
Delilah and Rush Limbaugh both make me want to hurl, for completely opposite reasons.
I thought Rush Limbaugh was dead.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 31, 2022, 09:48:51 AM
Traditional broadcast radio and TV in America have declined greatly in the past 25 years, but the wounds are self-inflicted. This didn't have to happen.
In radio, a station with a 10 share today is roughly equivalent to a station with a 0.1 share in the 1980s in terms of how much they will be remembered years from now. That's not an exaggeration. In fact, it may be an understatement. I don't think WCLU in the 1980s even got a 0.1, yet people who listened to it back then still talk about it fondly. Yet nobody can even remember what today's top-rated stations aired just yesterday.
It's humiliating.
I don't remember the last time I listened to music on the radio. Only thing I listen to radio for is sports. If I listen to music, it's from my playlist.
Quote from: thspfc on August 31, 2022, 08:41:07 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 31, 2022, 09:48:51 AM
Traditional broadcast radio and TV in America have declined greatly in the past 25 years, but the wounds are self-inflicted. This didn't have to happen.
In radio, a station with a 10 share today is roughly equivalent to a station with a 0.1 share in the 1980s in terms of how much they will be remembered years from now. That's not an exaggeration. In fact, it may be an understatement. I don't think WCLU in the 1980s even got a 0.1, yet people who listened to it back then still talk about it fondly. Yet nobody can even remember what today's top-rated stations aired just yesterday.
It's humiliating.
I don't remember the last time I listened to music on the radio. Only thing I listen to radio for is sports. If I listen to music, it's from my playlist.
The only thing I still listen to on regular radio is the old 'American Top 40' broadcasts from the Casey Kasem era on WGRR.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 31, 2022, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 31, 2022, 08:12:57 PM
Delilah and Rush Limbaugh both make me want to hurl, for completely opposite reasons.
I thought Rush Limbaugh was dead.
One thing I will give credit to him was the fact the man made millions off of insulting public officials. Something many of us do each and every day, but get paid nothing.
Quote from: thspfc on August 31, 2022, 08:41:07 PM
I don't remember the last time I listened to music on the radio. Only thing I listen to radio for is sports. If I listen to music, it's from my playlist.
I listen to music on the radio when I'm too lazy to connect my phone to the car, which usually means I'm driving in town for no more than 15-20 minutes at a time.
I enjoy Throwback 2K (to the point where I stream the last half hour online once I finish watching This Week and Empire State Weekly from a station I know broadcasts it Sunday mornings), but otherwise prefer the regular radio station programming over the syndicated shows.
At least one Audacity station I'm aware of pre-records some of their programming, probably for the same reason that many stations run syndicated shows.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 30, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 30, 2022, 02:23:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 29, 2022, 06:35:37 PM
20th century technology was all about solving problems.
21st century technology is about creating new problems so they can sell you solutions you didn't need before they started changing things that were perfectly fine how they were.
Quote from: Henry on August 30, 2022, 12:40:03 PM
NBC (the same network that once prided itself on Must-See TV) may stop programming its 10 PM shows and give that hour back to its local affiliates (including WMAQ in Chicago and KING in Seattle).
Quote from: bing101 on August 30, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
This is where the Peacock app comes into play in making NBC consider cutting hours to the 10pm timeslots.
:hmmm: Did anyone else make this connection?
Once HBO figured out that they could produce their own television shows instead of just showing movies, without the broadcast restrictions against language and nudity no less, and came up with their first huge hit in The Sopranos, we were always going to end up here with the broadcast networks.
Once streaming technology advanced, and streaming services like Netflix started producing original content, the big four networks were all going to have to have their own streaming platforms, and they were going to have to move a certain amount of content to it to generate demand. Having all of your favorite shows remaining on network TV was never going to be realistic.
I do think things will improve in one way in that within the next 10 years, I think you'll be able to subscribe to bundle channels and streaming platforms directly from providers rather than having to get your channels through a 3rd party provider.
I'll use NBC/Comcast as an example. I think packages like this will soon be available for smart TVs:
Free: NBC Broadcast, Peacock free
Standard: NBC Broadcast, USA, MSNBC, Universal Kids, Peacock Premium
Entertainment: Standard + Bravo, E!, Oxygen, Syfy
Sports/Business: Standard + CNBC, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, NHL Network
Deluxe: Standard + Entertainment + Sports/Business + MSNBC World + CNBC World
Perhaps there's a deal with sports networks not owned by the big four like NFL Network and MLB Network to be in the Sports/Business package as well.
I wouldn't presume MSNBC will be around long enough for NBC/Comcast to create such channel tiering. Not to get too political, but MSNBC's base audience can get along just fine without that channel. And Comcast knows this, which is why MSNBC gets LESS per cable subscriber per month than NBCSN did just before that channel was taken down.
Golf Channel and CNBC, on the other hand, are high-dollar advertising platforms.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 31, 2022, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 31, 2022, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 31, 2022, 08:12:57 PM
Delilah and Rush Limbaugh both make me want to hurl, for completely opposite reasons.
I thought Rush Limbaugh was dead.
One thing I will give credit to him was the fact the man made millions off of insulting public officials. Something many of us do each and every day, but get paid nothing.
Again, not to get too political, but it does say something about both the news/talk radio business AND the Limbaugh legacy audience that Clay Travis+Buck Sexton, Dana Loesch, and Dan Bongino, PUT TOGETHER, are having considerable difficulty even reaching 50% of Limbaugh's cumulative per-week 12-3PM Eastern live audience.
Quote from: Life in Paradise on August 31, 2022, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 31, 2022, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 31, 2022, 09:48:51 AM
Traditional broadcast radio and TV in America have declined greatly in the past 25 years, but the wounds are self-inflicted. This didn't have to happen.
In radio, a station with a 10 share today is roughly equivalent to a station with a 0.1 share in the 1980s in terms of how much they will be remembered years from now. That's not an exaggeration. In fact, it may be an understatement. I don't think WCLU in the 1980s even got a 0.1, yet people who listened to it back then still talk about it fondly. Yet nobody can even remember what today's top-rated stations aired just yesterday.
It's humiliating.
And syndicated shows don't help radio's cause either, with iHeart as the main culprit behind it. In fact, I think there are too many of those as it is. Delilah, American Top 40 and Rush Limbaugh I have no problem with, but right now, there are lots more national shows than local hosts/DJs, and it's ruining what was once a great listening experience.
This is part of the overall fragmentation of the advertising market and available options. With radio you also have satellite radio to contend with as well as Spotify, Pandora, etc. A lot of the national shows (not so much of the countdown shows from weekends) came out of the fact that it was cheaper to run those shows than pay for "talent" on the air. You could first pay minimum wage for the board op in a lot of small markets, or in this day and age you buy the computer software to run the commercials and broadcast the pre-recorded news and weather. No one is necessarily sitting at the board. For a lot of these small market stations, that's the difference between staying on air and going dark. The ad market is so scattered that you can't charge even inflation adjusted amounts anymore. In the case of iHeart, you also have to include the service cost for all the money they spent buying up radio stations, and now most of them are worth less.
One of the smarter things the likes of iHeartMedia and Cumulus have done with property and equipment (and I think Audacy has done this as well) is sell their towers to a company called Vertical Bridge, which uses those towers to colocate wireless communications equipment and services on them in addition to the radio stations.
https://www.rbr.com/vertical-bridge-issues-360-5m-of-secured-tower-revenue-notes/
The thing is in general, people tend to like abrasive talk as well as perverted talk. I think with Rush he was very abrasive to attract people whether you liked or disliked the guy. Though, he wasn’t perverted, look at Howard Stern who was perverted.
To respond to your comment, the others who don’t have the audience are not that abrasive as Limbaugh was, or perverted like Stern is. I went to school and learned about advertising and demographics, so it’s delivery and how you say it as supposed to just being there talking about it.
And also annoyance is big attention grabber. So people like Limbaugh and Stern will attract.
This just demonstrates how traditional "linear" programming has deteriorated in the past decade or so. To put this in the proper context... prior to the 1980s, it was extremely uncommon for homes to have more than one television. The "family" theoretically decided on what to watch that evening, but in reality, the hierarchy was that papa the breadwinner had first choice, followed by mama the homemaker, then everyone else. The first cracks emerged in the early to mid 1980s when video cassette recorders (VCRs) become cheap enough to be commonplace, and not did people try to time-shift programs, but they also rented movies as well. Cheaper televisions followed as well.
Anyone who remembers the show Airwolf knows that the first three seasons (totaling 56 one-hour episodes) aired on CBS, and that Universal commissioned 24 additional episodes that aired in 1987 on the USA network (at a very reduced budget) for the sole purpose of having 80 episodes for syndication repeats (16 weeks). After that season ended at the beginning of August, 1987, Star Trek: The Next Generation began airing at the end of September, 1987, and became one of the biggest first-run syndication hits. Nowadays, it's the cable and streaming series which eventually come to syndicated television. And, what are the talked-about recent series? Stranger Things (Streaming), The Mandalorian (Streaming), Game Of Thrones (Cable), Squid Games (Streaming), Yellowstone (Cable). Did I miss any series airing on over-the-air television?
To be quite honest, I'm hard-pressed to even have one series, either broadcast, cable, or streaming, that I'm actively watching. Right now, I don't have much free time due to work, so I place a premium on what I have available to me.
Of course, the problem with streaming is that if at any time the streaming service figures that the royalties/residuals they have to pay to host a show exceeds the amount they get in new subscriptions from hosting it, they can just delete it. Of course, shows got cancelled on network TV all the time, and that meant no more would be made. But since the streaming service still has the rights to the show that they're merely not exercising, that means that not only will no more be made, but nobody can legally watch the extant episodes until those rights expire (if they ever do).
In a way we're going back to the days of the pre-VCR era, where once your favorite show stopped being shown, you would never see it again. But today's viewers are used to being able to at least buy a DVD of what existed of their favorite prematurely-cancelled show. They're not likely to adjust well to "the streaming service decides you can't watch it anymore and that's final".
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 01, 2022, 04:09:55 AM
Of course, the problem with streaming is that if at any time the streaming service figures that the royalties/residuals they have to pay to host a show exceeds the amount they get in new subscriptions from hosting it, they can just delete it. Of course, shows got cancelled on network TV all the time, and that meant no more would be made. But since the streaming service still has the rights to the show that they're merely not exercising, that means that not only will no more be made, but nobody can legally watch the extant episodes until those rights expire (if they ever do).
In a way we're going back to the days of the pre-VCR era, where once your favorite show stopped being shown, you would never see it again. But today's viewers are used to being able to at least buy a DVD of what existed of their favorite prematurely-cancelled show. They're not likely to adjust well to "the streaming service decides you can't watch it anymore and that's final".
You just happen to not name any particular particular streaming service (https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/hbo-max-originals-removed-1235344286/), are you? One can only hope that those actions result in a renewed interest in physical media.
I want to know how things will be shaken up once Nexstar takes control of the CW, of which it just upped its stake to 75%.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 31, 2022, 08:21:16 PM
I thought Rush Limbaugh was dead.
RIP
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The fact that there are no terrestrial radio stations in my area that are worth listening to in my area plays a huge role in the fact that I don't listen to much radio.
The advent of customizable portable music -- players onto which one can load dozens upon dozens of albums -- makes the need for music over the air even less crucial for entertainment.
I've dropped satellite radio, but I rarely listened to the music channels on it even when I had it -- and it was definitely easier to receive than terrestrial stations in my area -- because I tend to listen to albums. I don't even put my MP3 player on "shuffle" mode. I'll play albums straight through and skip songs I don't like.
As far as talk radio goes, my understanding is that Travis and Sexton are the "official" successors to Limbaugh on his "EIB Network" of syndicated affiliates. I think most of the iHeart-owned stations play their program from noon to 3 Eastern.
OTOH, I have migrated to Bongino for talk radio in that time slot. Since reception in my area is so bad -- for both the former EIB broadcast and Bongino stations -- I listen to Bongino on the iHeart app via a couple of Cumulus-owned stations. I'm a bit surprised that Cumulus uses iHeart and doesn't have its own streaming app.
To me, Bongino is the true Limbaugh heir. His attitude seems to be harder-edged than Limbaugh's was.
Local radio in my area? Mostly country music and terrible local announcers. "Tradio" and "swap shop" and those type shows don't interest me in the least.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 01, 2022, 08:36:38 PMLocal radio in my area? Mostly country music and terrible local announcers. "Tradio" and "swap shop" and those type shows don't interest me in the least.
Isn't 94.5 really clear there? I know it doesn't have any listeners anymore like it used to, but I was actually able to get it here.
Quote from: bandit957 on September 01, 2022, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 01, 2022, 08:36:38 PMLocal radio in my area? Mostly country music and terrible local announcers. "Tradio" and "swap shop" and those type shows don't interest me in the least.
Isn't 94.5 really clear there? I know it doesn't have any listeners anymore like it used to, but I was actually able to get it here.
Nope. It's very static-y.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 02, 2022, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on September 01, 2022, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 01, 2022, 08:36:38 PMLocal radio in my area? Mostly country music and terrible local announcers. "Tradio" and "swap shop" and those type shows don't interest me in the least.
Isn't 94.5 really clear there? I know it doesn't have any listeners anymore like it used to, but I was actually able to get it here.
Nope. It's very static-y.
It probably used to be better. I used to listen to it when it was WLAP-FM, and they always talked about how they had people calling in from Owsley County, Lee County, Morehead, Flemingsburg, Maysville, etc. They once said someone called from Portsmouth, Ohio, and another time from Bedford, Indiana. They had someone who listened from Quicksand in Breathitt County. I could even pick it up on my small clock radio in Highland Heights, and it was even clearer on car radios and boom boxes.
I have a terrible time getting some of the Cincinnati stations now, but 94.5 in Lexington used to be really clear.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 01, 2022, 08:36:38 PMThe fact that there are no terrestrial radio stations in my area that are worth listening to in my area plays a huge role in the fact that I don't listen to much radio.
Since moving to the DFW market (https://markholtz.info/dfwradio) 3½ years ago, I've only listened to one terrestrial station: WRR 101 (https://markholtz.info/wrr101) which has classical music on it. I do have the EAS stations WBAP and KSCS set on my radios, but otherwise don't listen to them. I had given up on terrestrial radio when it felt like I was getting 15 minutes of actual content, and 45 minutes of commercials and jib-jabbering. While I have Radio Garden (https://markholtz.info/radiogarden) installed in my phone, I'm more likely to listen to my Plex Media Server (https://markholtz.info/plex) or Apple Music. SiriusXM is being cancelled at the end of the month.
Consider this one if your TV and Internet provider is Xfinity expect their sales staff to push the peacock app as part of their sales if you get TV or Internet service from them.
https://www.xfinity.com/local/ca/sacramento
Quote from: bing101 on September 04, 2022, 10:09:04 AM
Consider this one if your TV and Internet provider is Xfinity expect their sales staff to push the peacock app as part of their sales if you get TV or Internet service from them.
https://www.xfinity.com/local/ca/sacramento
My internet/tv provider is Xfinity and the free Peacock is a nice perk.
I have read that the reason Fox doesn't have a 10 PM hour is that this exempts its affiliates from FCC rules that apply to network affiliates. According to the FCC, it's not a network unless it has a 10 PM hour.
From what I recall (and I don't know if this is still true), network affiliates have to fill the 7 PM hour with first-run programs, like current news or things like 'Entertainment Tonight'. They can't show old sitcom reruns that might bring higher ratings. But Fox affiliates can.
Quote from: bandit957 on September 04, 2022, 10:15:12 AM
I have read that the reason Fox doesn't have a 10 PM hour is that this exempts its affiliates from FCC rules that apply to network affiliates. According to the FCC, it's not a network unless it has a 10 PM hour.
From what I recall (and I don't know if this is still true), network affiliates have to fill the 7 PM hour with first-run programs, like current news or things like 'Entertainment Tonight'. They can't show old sitcom reruns that might bring higher ratings. But Fox affiliates can.
That's how I was able to catch up on old Seinfeld episodes back when they led right into American Idol. Of course, after changing the channel from something like ABC to FOX.
Quote from: bandit957 on September 04, 2022, 10:15:12 AM
I have read that the reason Fox doesn't have a 10 PM hour is that this exempts its affiliates from FCC rules that apply to network affiliates. According to the FCC, it's not a network unless it has a 10 PM hour.
From what I recall (and I don't know if this is still true), network affiliates have to fill the 7 PM hour with first-run programs, like current news or things like 'Entertainment Tonight'. They can't show old sitcom reruns that might bring higher ratings. But Fox affiliates can.
Is this why when Fox has a sporting event that will run through the 10 PM ET hour, they always have a pregame show starting at 7 PM ET?
Quote from: Big John on September 04, 2022, 09:30:12 PMIs this why when Fox has a sporting event that will run through the 10 PM ET hour, they always have a pregame show starting at 7 PM ET?
That might have something to do with it. It might have also had something to do with CBS having '60 Minutes' at 7 PM on Sundays.
Quote from: bandit957 on September 04, 2022, 10:15:12 AM
They can't show old sitcom reruns that might bring higher ratings. But Fox affiliates can.
As Archie and Edith Bunker might says: "those were the days". ;)
And there was a time when some affiliates stations like CKVR in Barrie, Ontario (who beginned as a CBC affiliate and now a CTV-2 affiliate) also produced other shows besides news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FymtMSm36YY
I was lucky to have The Arseno Hall Show on a Fox affiliate for most of its early run. They didn't have news on that station, so the show started at the reasonable hour of 10:00. Maybe they'll move the NBC late night talk shows up an hour, or leave it to the affiliates to decide. Here in Seattle, the NBC affiliate already has news at 10 on the co-owned KONG. With NBC going off at 10, perhaps the other station will add another talk show to their schedule.
I stopped listening to music radio shortly after leaving college, in the early 1990s. I was driven away from CHR radio by "I Will Always Love You" and "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You", the themes from two Kevin Costner movies. This coincided with the decline of the vinyl single, without another viable single format for a while. Instead of playlists being driven by sales, the playlists were now decided by the suits, and that meant that fewer hits stuck around until long after you were sick of them. Everyone stops following current music after leaving college and growing up. It would have been something or another that drove me away from the radio, but the death of the vinyl single is my excuse.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on September 12, 2022, 03:28:54 AM
Everyone stops following current music after leaving college and growing up.
I don't know that that's universally true. I still get exposed to current music through things like intercom systems, and I'll listen to current music on over-the-air radio on occasion. There's a lot I don't like, but every once in a while I'll find something new that's good enough I would buy it (if I were in the habit of doing so).
Don't know why the news article speculates that Jimmy Fallon would move from 1135 PM ET. If NBC gives the local affiliates the 10 PM hour but then takes half of it back by moving Fallon to 1030 PM ET, it's not a net win for the affiliates.
I'd expect Fallon will remain right where he is, and the affiliates will provide a "news at 10"/"news at 11" (ET) format, using the same anchors (they do more work but get paid the same), same set (no additional cost), and all that extra ad revenue from Honest Al's Used Cars.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 12, 2022, 07:30:07 PM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on September 12, 2022, 03:28:54 AM
Everyone stops following current music after leaving college and growing up.
I don't know that that's universally true. I still get exposed to current music through things like intercom systems, and I'll listen to current music on over-the-air radio on occasion. There's a lot I don't like, but every once in a while I'll find something new that's good enough I would buy it (if I were in the habit of doing so).
Definitely not true in my case. Once I was out of college (December 1983) and had more disposable income, I purchased more music -- specifically, more NEW music, as I spent my high school and college years collecting the back catalogs of artists I had discovered.
This continued until about 2001 or so, when I began to discover that new artists were nowhere near as good as the artists I already liked. I'm having trouble discovering the 2022 heirs to Rush, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Metalllica, etc.
In the last 20 years I've acquired more new releases from artists I already liked than I have releases from new artists.
There's a reason people who came of age in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s say music isn't the same as it used to be.
NBC cutting 10pm is going to be another failure......again. Comcast can't even GIVE AWAY Peacock. Even with the free Peacock Premium bundled with their internet service, the actual viewership is pretty damned low. No real growth in the service
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/comcast-nbcuniversal-second-quarter-earnings-peacock-1235187274/
Regarding radio, the consolidation in ownership did a good job of killing it. The only decent part of the radio dial is if you are lucky enough to have a college radio station that plays whatever it wants. I long gave up on OTA radio when my tasted changed to niche genres of music. Even satellite radio managed to screw up. Both Sirius and XM started out with a wide variety of music programming only to be consolidated into a whole bunch of rock/pop variations and payola "artist" channels.
Just as technology enabled OTA TV and radio to expand their programming (digital broadcasts with subchannels), they managed to blow it.
Yeah, I find myself flipping around on the radio dial a lot, and I only listen when I'm in the car. The one station I stop at a lot is a college station, whose format is "music that matters", basically anything from the late 60s on that was a hit.
I'm not so sure about "college radio." Most of the official college stations that can be picked up in this area are NPR affiliates (gag) from Morehead State and Eastern Kentucky universities. A lot of national lack-of-passion talk -- NPR talk shows have always been, to me, a good insomnia cure -- and classical music.
I guess the bigger schools have lower-power student-run stations staffed by volunteers, where the type of music played depends on the DJ's preferences. UK had one back in the late 1980s/early 1990s that couldn't be picked up until you got near Richmond, and it quickly faded going south on I-75 past Berea. The Friday noontime DJ was a metal fan. At the time I was having to make a weekly Friday run from Irvine to London via Richmond, so I got to listen to that station. If I was still in range when the DJ changed, it was usually an abrupt change in musical styles.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 13, 2022, 12:03:12 PM
I'm not so sure about "college radio." Most of the official college stations that can be picked up in this area are NPR affiliates (gag) from Morehead State and Eastern Kentucky universities. A lot of national lack-of-passion talk -- NPR talk shows have always been, to me, a good insomnia cure -- and classical music.
I guess the bigger schools have lower-power student-run stations staffed by volunteers, where the type of music played depends on the DJ's preferences.
In WV, NPR is as you describe, classical music (AKA a musical genre that cannot make it on the free market, so its fans demand taxwaste for it) and NPR's take on the news (which isn't very different from the MSM).
However this is unrelated to the colleges. The state's two real universities have student run stations, WMUL and WWVU, which play music as you describe, plus some talk shows where they will let anybody try their hand so you get a lot of wingnut types, and people wanting to be sportscasters so they do all the not football and not men's basketball sports.
The deal is that, before automation ruined local radio, you could volunteer at these places and learn a useful skill, in front of the mike or on the tech side. I know a lot of people who learned the radio business at WMUL, went back home to the small towns, and who could moonlight at the local radio station for some $$.
Well, it seems to me that all NPR affiliates (in the 88.1-91.9 range) are either classical or jazz (and not the Kenny G type either!). I was born at a time when freeform radio was all the rage, because these stations allowed anybody with an eclectic collection to showcase their records on the air, so for example, Santana could be followed by Johnny Cash, then Herbie Hancock and so on, and several of my friends in college took advantage of this opportunity and had fun with it. I really wish they would come back, at least to the commercial side of the dial (92-108 FM, or if you wanted to be precise, 92.1-107.9), but sadly, that time is long gone, thanks to an over saturation of syndicated shows that has affected damn near every format that you could think of.
Around here, NPR has a variety of programming, depending on when you tune in. I can easily get two different stations, and I listen to them regularly in the car.
On my morning commute to work, I listen to programming that's a combination of news and interviews. Then, depending on the day of the week, there's also a short bit about new video games, local events in town, mental health topics, book review, or movie review. On my afternoon commute home, I have my choice between news on one station or classical music on the other.
On Saturday mornings, on the way to the grocery store and while driving between stores, we listen to Says You! and A Way with Words, which interest me because I love language. By the time we're done shopping, there's some BBC news blurbs and/or a discussion about climate issues. I think Saturday afternoons have jazz and blues and I don't remember what else, because I'm not usually driving then. On Wednesday evenings on the way home from church activities, I can choose between jazz on one station or classical on the other. Late in the evenings, one of them airs ambient and similar new-age music, which is awesome for driving after dark.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2022, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 12, 2022, 07:30:07 PM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on September 12, 2022, 03:28:54 AM
Everyone stops following current music after leaving college and growing up.
I don't know that that's universally true. I still get exposed to current music through things like intercom systems, and I'll listen to current music on over-the-air radio on occasion. There's a lot I don't like, but every once in a while I'll find something new that's good enough I would buy it (if I were in the habit of doing so).
Definitely not true in my case. Once I was out of college (December 1983) and had more disposable income, I purchased more music -- specifically, more NEW music, as I spent my high school and college years collecting the back catalogs of artists I had discovered.
This continued until about 2001 or so, when I began to discover that new artists were nowhere near as good as the artists I already liked. I'm having trouble discovering the 2022 heirs to Rush, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Metalllica, etc.
In the last 20 years I've acquired more new releases from artists I already liked than I have releases from new artists.
There's a reason people who came of age in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s say music isn't the same as it used to be.
My guess is that the new music you'd like is still getting made, you'd just have to deep dive into Spotify or YouTube or something like that to discover it, rather than the radio handing it to you.
My wife still listens to new music in the same vein as the pop-punk music she listened to when she was in high school in the mid-2000s, even though that style is no longer what's pushed on the radio–the difference is that now it's all bands I've never heard anyone but her talk about.
I volunteered at the Washington State University student radio station KZZU, so when I started getting disposable income I started searching out the good music I discovered from that station. Then I settled not into current music but newer music from the few artists I got to like. Later I got forced to listen to the rap station at work, playing the same songs once an hour over and over again. Only babies like hearing the same song over and over again. By then, radio was for people too stupid to figure out how to use an iPod. At least currently the unavoidable work music is from streaming services, and they don't play the same few songs over and over again.
And please, no one recommend Greta Van Fleet as an artist I should look into given my oft-mentioned tastes. I've tried listening to them and just can't get into them. I've heard people say "if you like Rush..." and "if you like Zep..." and I know they toured with Metallica, but they aren't the tunes I've been looking for.
Quote from: SP Cook on September 13, 2022, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 13, 2022, 12:03:12 PM
I'm not so sure about "college radio." Most of the official college stations that can be picked up in this area are NPR affiliates (gag) from Morehead State and Eastern Kentucky universities. A lot of national lack-of-passion talk -- NPR talk shows have always been, to me, a good insomnia cure -- and classical music.
I guess the bigger schools have lower-power student-run stations staffed by volunteers, where the type of music played depends on the DJ's preferences.
In WV, NPR is as you describe, classical music (AKA a musical genre that cannot make it on the free market, so its fans demand taxwaste for it) and NPR's take on the news (which isn't very different from the MSM).
However this is unrelated to the colleges. The state's two real universities have student run stations, WMUL and WWVU, which play music as you describe, plus some talk shows where they will let anybody try their hand so you get a lot of wingnut types, and people wanting to be sportscasters so they do all the not football and not men's basketball sports.
The deal is that, before automation ruined local radio, you could volunteer at these places and learn a useful skill, in front of the mike or on the tech side. I know a lot of people who learned the radio business at WMUL, went back home to the small towns, and who could moonlight at the local radio station for some $$.
As a young and easily manipulated college student, I let my advisor (who got fired after my sophomore year for a variety of reasons) talk me into not minoring in radio/TV. She said, "print journalists and broadcast journalists don't get along" and forced me into a government minor instead.
I wish I'd forced the issue. My knowledge of parliamentary democracies and the United Nations gleaned in those GOVT classes hasn't done me a bit of good in the real world, although I know what "Bundestag" and "Bundesrat" mean. At the very least, I should have taken the voice and articulation class that was offered as part of the R/TV curriculum. It could have helped me in broadcast interviews and public speaking, two things I'm called on to do fairly often but two things I'm not good at because I sound awful when I talk.
I probably could have gotten some gigs moonlighting as a sports color commentator over the years if I had some broadcast experience and voice and articulation training.
NPR has a few stations in the Seattle area, the big two being KUOW and KNKX. I mostly listen to KUOW, which has a good mix of both local programming and syndicated national/international broadcasts. Depending on when I'm out and about in the car, I'll try to tune into BBC Newshour, The Daily, All Things Considered, Marketplace, and Fresh Air.
What if NBC affiliates use their free hour at 10 to show Supertrain reruns?
Quote from: GCrites80s on October 05, 2022, 10:59:18 AM
What if NBC affiliates use their free hour at 10 to show Supertrain reruns?
Stop threatening me with a good time!
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 05, 2022, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on October 05, 2022, 10:59:18 AM
What if NBC affiliates use their free hour at 10 to show Supertrain reruns?
Stop threatening me with a good time!
<Searches internet>
Good lord, what a bonkers premise for a TV show.
Pretty much Love Boat on nuclear-powered high speed train?
Wow. Just, wow...
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 05, 2022, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 05, 2022, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on October 05, 2022, 10:59:18 AM
What if NBC affiliates use their free hour at 10 to show Supertrain reruns?
Stop threatening me with a good time!
<Searches internet>
Good lord, what a bonkers premise for a TV show.
Pretty much Love Boat on nuclear-powered high speed train?
Wow. Just, wow...
Keep researching, it only gets more bonkers as you keep digging.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 05, 2022, 02:37:26 PM
<Searches internet>
Good lord, what a bonkers premise for a TV show.
Pretty much Love Boat on nuclear-powered high speed train?
Wow. Just, wow...
It was actually worse than the description makes it seem.
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 05, 2022, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 05, 2022, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 05, 2022, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on October 05, 2022, 10:59:18 AM
What if NBC affiliates use their free hour at 10 to show Supertrain reruns?
Stop threatening me with a good time!
<Searches internet>
Good lord, what a bonkers premise for a TV show.
Pretty much Love Boat on nuclear-powered high speed train?
Wow. Just, wow...
Keep researching, it only gets more bonkers as you keep digging.
Supertrain makes
Ressha Sentai ToQger look perfectly sane.
The Today show did a big feature on Supertrain prior to its debut.
https://youtu.be/gy8Qe7hTcBE
Also, Supertrain gets the Wikipedia treatment, including a list of episodes and cast, the production costs, as well as airtimes of the few episodes aired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertrain
I wonder if the episode of Quincy that aired after Supertrain was better than Supertrain.
Crazy
Best describes this showww
Millions of dollars
Thrown in a hole
Maybe
It's not too late
To clone the Love Boat
Wednesdays at 8
Nobody is watching
Such a bitter shame
Model's going off the rails to make Supertrain
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on October 06, 2022, 11:43:21 AM
Also, Supertrain gets the Wikipedia treatment, including a list of episodes and cast, the production costs, as well as airtimes of the few episodes aired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertrain
Can you imagine what the ratings of a show today would be ranking 69th of 114 in a year? A 15.7 rating in 2022 is about three times higher than the #1 show in a week. What a landscape change.
Comcast shuts down G4 Network. Not shocking though given that the company has been putting all it's efforts to boost attention to Peacock app.
https://deadline.com/2022/10/comcast-pulls-plug-on-g4-tv-ending-comeback-try-video-game-network-1235145219/
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2022, 09:01:33 AM
Comcast shuts down G4 Network. Not shocking though given that the company has been putting all it's efforts to boost attention to Peacock app.
https://deadline.com/2022/10/comcast-pulls-plug-on-g4-tv-ending-comeback-try-video-game-network-1235145219/
It's also not shocking given how G4 in the modern era just can't compete with the amount of content on YouTube and Twitch. Its only claims to fame were (1) nostalgia, and (2) "Video games on TV!!! OMG!" Of course G4's reboot was gonna flop.
^I admit that news did make me go back and watch an episode of The Screen Savers on ZDTV from 1999.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 05, 2022, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 05, 2022, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on October 05, 2022, 10:59:18 AM
What if NBC affiliates use their free hour at 10 to show Supertrain reruns?
Stop threatening me with a good time!
<Searches internet>
Good lord, what a bonkers premise for a TV show.
Pretty much Love Boat on nuclear-powered high speed train?
Wow. Just, wow...
Oh, god, I had just about suppressed all memory of that. I watched one episode back when it was first run. I still want that hour back!
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2022, 09:01:33 AM
Comcast shuts down G4 Network. Not shocking though given that the company has been putting all it's efforts to boost attention to Peacock app.
https://deadline.com/2022/10/comcast-pulls-plug-on-g4-tv-ending-comeback-try-video-game-network-1235145219/
G4 was still around?
Quote from: golden eagle on February 21, 2023, 11:51:47 PM
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2022, 09:01:33 AM
Comcast shuts down G4 Network. Not shocking though given that the company has been putting all it's efforts to boost attention to Peacock app.
https://deadline.com/2022/10/comcast-pulls-plug-on-g4-tv-ending-comeback-try-video-game-network-1235145219/
G4 was still around?
No, it had just been brought back.
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on February 22, 2023, 02:35:34 AM
Quote from: golden eagle on February 21, 2023, 11:51:47 PM
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2022, 09:01:33 AM
Comcast shuts down G4 Network. Not shocking though given that the company has been putting all it's efforts to boost attention to Peacock app.
https://deadline.com/2022/10/comcast-pulls-plug-on-g4-tv-ending-comeback-try-video-game-network-1235145219/
G4 was still around?
No, it had just been brought back.
Maybe third times the charm