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Started by CentralCAroadgeek, June 29, 2012, 08:22:36 PM

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Rothman

Quote from: jakeroot on November 16, 2022, 04:24:23 AM
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What do you guys make of the Australian practice of using road names within an inverted box?

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Scott5114

I think it would be fine if you did street names in a box, but mandated that the text be the usual 16" mixed-case Series E Modified the rest of the sign uses.
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SignBridge

What purpose does it serve to put the road name in a box? Seems to me it adds more visual confusion.

Scott5114

Quote from: SignBridge on November 16, 2022, 07:47:41 PM
What purpose does it serve to put the road name in a box? Seems to me it adds more visual confusion.

The idea was to make road names visually distinct from city names, in much the same way shields make road numbers distinct. So if you had "Sunnylane Rd., Del City" on one sign, you would be able to instantly tell that Sunnylane Road was the street that would take you to Del City.

And yes, the practice was dropped because it led to visual confusion.
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hotdogPi

Very minor error: why is "1/4 MILE" singular but "3/4 MILES" plural?

Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

LilianaUwU

Quote from: 1 on December 27, 2022, 06:53:07 AM
Very minor error: why is "1/4 MILE" singular but "3/4 MILES" plural?



Because 1 is singular and 3 is plural. :bigass:
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JoePCool14

Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 27, 2022, 07:50:36 AM
Quote from: 1 on December 27, 2022, 06:53:07 AM
Very minor error: why is "1/4 MILE" singular but "3/4 MILES" plural?



Because 1 is singular and 3 is plural. :bigass:

Definitely should be "3 quarters of a mile" (singular).

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kphoger

Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 27, 2022, 10:25:13 AM

Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 27, 2022, 07:50:36 AM

Quote from: 1 on December 27, 2022, 06:53:07 AM
Very minor error: why is "1/4 MILE" singular but "3/4 MILES" plural?




Because 1 is singular and 3 is plural. :bigass:

Definitely should be "3 quarters of a mile" (singular).

"3 quarter-miles"   ;-)
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wanderer2575

Quote from: J N Winkler on November 12, 2022, 01:26:48 PM
Divider bar is the actual Michigan DOT phrase for the ruled line that used to be placed underneath the cardinal direction--underlining is the longstanding roadgeek term.  It was used only when the cardinal direction was ranged to the side of a shield, never when it was above or below, and there was more of a gap between the word and the line than is normally the case for underlining in most typographical contexts.

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Even better:  When I-69 between Charlotte and Lansing opened in 1992, the original signs on eastbound I-96 looked like this (except the initial letters of the cardinal directions weren't enlarged, of course).  I thought it was cool that the left sign was designed to match the right one.



CovalenceSTU

Almost posted this in "worst of" but feel like it belongs here instead - these are dotted all over Portland but are slowly being phased out:

jakeroot

I think they're just old one-way signs. Seattle has a ton that look like that too.

Amaury

Quote from: jakeroot on November 15, 2022, 01:46:10 AMI swear I've seen EASTBOUND, NORTHBOUND, etc on some signs in Washington State, but I could be misremembering. I remember it being more common than just the cardinal direction, but most of the examples I've checked only show the cardinal direction.

Maybe thinking of this? https://goo.gl/maps/uDK5ZMvkNRAuBoVe7
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jakeroot

Quote from: Amaury on January 25, 2023, 01:06:32 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 15, 2022, 01:46:10 AMI swear I've seen EASTBOUND, NORTHBOUND, etc on some signs in Washington State, but I could be misremembering. I remember it being more common than just the cardinal direction, but most of the examples I've checked only show the cardinal direction.

Maybe thinking of this? https://goo.gl/maps/uDK5ZMvkNRAuBoVe7

That's definitely an example of what I'm remembering! Thank you. I hate that I couldn't remember that location off-hand.



roadfro

Quote from: SignBridge on February 03, 2023, 10:30:56 PM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on February 03, 2023, 10:11:22 PM
ok this is a really bad error that needs to be fixed itself by Caltrans. Its not supposed to be side ways it has to face south not southeast https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9856906,-118.9450191,3a,24.5y,352.06h,89.9t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5OOM4o9XlNXEZoxaAwooUA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D5OOM4o9XlNXEZoxaAwooUA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D99.562454%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
They need to take a page of what the did to the 198/41 interchange in lemoore having directly facing the road
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.286699,-119.7981428,3a,17.1y,242.51h,92.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdnEAEyn3vQjCiXVjTXpx_g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DdnEAEyn3vQjCiXVjTXpx_g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D137.39835%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Shouldn't there be a mileage to the exit or an arrow on that second photo for Ca. Rt. 41????

I see no blatant design error in the first link. Yes, it's not ideal that the signs are installed flush with the bridge and therefore at a skewed angle, but that's not a problem with the sign design.

The sign in the second link does have a design error (or omission) because it is an advance sign so it should have a distance message. The sign could have been larger to incorporate space for the distance message, or it could've left off the control cities to make room for the distance message.
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JoePCool14

I don't usually see ugly acorn shields in Illinois, but occasionally you'll come across a contractor-designed one that just misses the mark. This one is US-30 in Montgomery.

https://goo.gl/maps/gn57BwiKvtJQgTTY7

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hotdogPi

Forgot a letter? Just add it tiny! Whittier Birthplace, Haverhill, MA.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

Occidental Tourist




Warning: Community college students driving ahead

This sign was installed about six months ago on the 241 toll road near Orange, California.  I confirmed today that it has been removed, though not replaced.

StogieGuy7

Quote from: Occidental Tourist on February 24, 2023, 12:32:04 AM



Warning: Community college students driving ahead

This sign was installed about six months ago on the 241 toll road near Orange, California.  I confirmed today that it has been removed, though not replaced.

I'm surprised there isn't a sub-panel saying "DO NOT PICK UP HITCHHIKERS"

chrismarion100


PurdueBill

Quote from: chrismarion100 on July 10, 2023, 09:44:03 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.893549,-91.4225678,3a,21.1y,293.68h,105.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snWCGd9YKD00A31pz8p39kQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Found this bad boy on street view. Looks like someone accidentally moved the SOUTH over to the right and no one noticed.

Someone thought the entire line of text "SOUTH TO" should be centered, when each word should be centered over its shield (which makes the top line look off-center but that's the way it is).  If someone thought it would look weird with the words centered over the shields, they should see some of the signs in Indiana where one route has a direction and one doesn't and everything is left-justified with the shields vertically stacked...reads sensibly but looks wild.
(e.g., https://goo.gl/maps/Xj4ReTmPTQXfZJJG7 which has the added bonus of the pullthrough showing US 33 NB but fails to mention I-469 WB, and the shields after the interchange don't help with this either! https://goo.gl/maps/3FkxnnvWSdLrk8BU6 )

roadfro

Quote from: PurdueBill on July 10, 2023, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: chrismarion100 on July 10, 2023, 09:44:03 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.893549,-91.4225678,3a,21.1y,293.68h,105.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snWCGd9YKD00A31pz8p39kQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Found this bad boy on street view. Looks like someone accidentally moved the SOUTH over to the right and no one noticed.

Someone thought the entire line of text "SOUTH TO" should be centered, when each word should be centered over its shield (which makes the top line look off-center but that's the way it is). 

Which, if that was the rationale, is also odd...because when you look closely, the shields themselves are not centered horizontally on the overall sign.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

wanderer2575

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Quote from: roadfro on July 13, 2023, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 10, 2023, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: chrismarion100 on July 10, 2023, 09:44:03 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.893549,-91.4225678,3a,21.1y,293.68h,105.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snWCGd9YKD00A31pz8p39kQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Found this bad boy on street view. Looks like someone accidentally moved the SOUTH over to the right and no one noticed.

Someone thought the entire line of text "SOUTH TO" should be centered, when each word should be centered over its shield (which makes the top line look off-center but that's the way it is). 

Which, if that was the rationale, is also odd...because when you look closely, the shields themselves are not centered horizontally on the overall sign.

PurdueBill is correct.  For positioning, the shield and its cardinal direction together should be one unified object.  SOUTH and TO being different lengths may seem to mess it up.  But if SOUTH were correctly centered over the US-53 shield, the distance between the left border and the left side of the "S" in SOUTH would be the same as the distance between the right border and the right side of the WI-124 shield.

wanderer2575

Right now it's only a design in a new contract letting; let's see if it gets corrected before fabrication.  Mixed Clearview and FHWA E-Modified on I-496/US-127 in Lansing, MI:





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