Iowa says US-20 is too dangerous in Illinois

Started by edwaleni, November 30, 2020, 04:58:53 PM

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Crash_It

Quote from: SSOWorld on December 05, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
Quote from: I-39 on December 04, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
So let me ask this, if US 20 truly doesn't need four lanes at all between Freeport and Galena, even as a simple four lane expressway, why did US 151 need four lanes between Dodgeville and Dubuque? What makes it different?
Pre-2010 WisDOT* vs IDiOT. 

As in the first one goes balls to the wall, while the latter does not do jack shit.

*Before the budget was cut by Chicken Walker.

You really want to go there? Is that why the former has a much higher amount of shitty pavement than the latter?


Brandon

Quote from: Crash_It on December 13, 2020, 03:19:52 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 05, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
Quote from: I-39 on December 04, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
So let me ask this, if US 20 truly doesn't need four lanes at all between Freeport and Galena, even as a simple four lane expressway, why did US 151 need four lanes between Dodgeville and Dubuque? What makes it different?
Pre-2010 WisDOT* vs IDiOT. 

As in the first one goes balls to the wall, while the latter does not do jack shit.

*Before the budget was cut by Chicken Walker.

You really want to go there? Is that why the former has a much higher amount of shitty pavement than the latter?

Last I looked, IDOT usually has crappier pavement.  WisFOT freeways are nice and smooth.  IDOT, not so much.
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froggie

QuoteWisFOT freeways are nice and smooth

At the expense of everything else...

edwaleni

I do remember well when WisDOT repaved the 90-94 combo (pre I-39) from the Dells down to Madison back in the early 1980's.

Down to one lane in many spots, it was a nightmare to traverse. Warning signs all the way back at LaCrosse and Eau Claire of backups.

And backups there were, miles of them.

This is where a US-20 enhancement can play a huge role.

Rather than sending trucks all the way down to-from I-80 or up I-41 to Oshkosh, this is where a US-20 can play a strategic traffic management role.

Back then alternatives weren't very good. IowaDOT had not upgraded US-20 between Dubuque and Waterloo.

WisDOT had not built the WI-20 Trunk yet from Green Bay to Chippewa Falls.

Today with AADT's growing and truck volumes increasing, it also increases the need to perform maintenance on these primary routes to/from the northwest and Chicago.

So if one was thinking long term, any of these routes could go into maintenance mode and the traffic load redirection would not overwhelm the other routes.

That is what I mean by resiliency and capacity.

Crash_It

Quote from: Brandon on December 13, 2020, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 13, 2020, 03:19:52 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 05, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
Quote from: I-39 on December 04, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
So let me ask this, if US 20 truly doesn't need four lanes at all between Freeport and Galena, even as a simple four lane expressway, why did US 151 need four lanes between Dodgeville and Dubuque? What makes it different?
Pre-2010 WisDOT* vs IDiOT. 

As in the first one goes balls to the wall, while the latter does not do jack shit.

*Before the budget was cut by Chicken Walker.

You really want to go there? Is that why the former has a much higher amount of shitty pavement than the latter?

Last I looked, IDOT usually has crappier pavement.  WisFOT freeways are nice and smooth.  IDOT, not so much.

I take it you haven't driven on US12 in walworth county.....shitty pavement from the state line all the way through a majority of the county. Haven't encountered a similarly deteriorated stretch in IL and I've almost driven on all the freeway miles in the state. Wis 32 feels like driving on train tracks from the state line to 92nd street in Kenosha. I41 was crap from Milwaukee through washington county. I can go on and on

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I-39

Quote from: Crash_It on December 14, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 13, 2020, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 13, 2020, 03:19:52 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 05, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
Quote from: I-39 on December 04, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
So let me ask this, if US 20 truly doesn't need four lanes at all between Freeport and Galena, even as a simple four lane expressway, why did US 151 need four lanes between Dodgeville and Dubuque? What makes it different?
Pre-2010 WisDOT* vs IDiOT. 

As in the first one goes balls to the wall, while the latter does not do jack shit.

*Before the budget was cut by Chicken Walker.

You really want to go there? Is that why the former has a much higher amount of shitty pavement than the latter?

Last I looked, IDOT usually has crappier pavement.  WisFOT freeways are nice and smooth.  IDOT, not so much.

I take it you haven't driven on US12 in walworth county.....shitty pavement from the state line all the way through a majority of the county. Haven't encountered a similarly deteriorated stretch in IL and I've almost driven on all the freeway miles in the state. Wis 32 feels like driving on train tracks from the state line to 92nd street in Kenosha. I41 was crap from Milwaukee through washington county. I can go on and on

Don't you know that maintenance is at the bottom of WisDOT's priority list? They have too many oversized four lane freeways/expressways along local corridors to build.

Crash_It

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 14, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.


That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

edwaleni

Quote from: Crash_It on December 14, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 13, 2020, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 13, 2020, 03:19:52 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 05, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
Quote from: I-39 on December 04, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
So let me ask this, if US 20 truly doesn't need four lanes at all between Freeport and Galena, even as a simple four lane expressway, why did US 151 need four lanes between Dodgeville and Dubuque? What makes it different?
Pre-2010 WisDOT* vs IDiOT. 

As in the first one goes balls to the wall, while the latter does not do jack shit.

*Before the budget was cut by Chicken Walker.

You really want to go there? Is that why the former has a much higher amount of shitty pavement than the latter?

Last I looked, IDOT usually has crappier pavement.  WisFOT freeways are nice and smooth.  IDOT, not so much.

I take it you haven't driven on US12 in walworth county.....shitty pavement from the state line all the way through a majority of the county. Haven't encountered a similarly deteriorated stretch in IL and I've almost driven on all the freeway miles in the state. Wis 32 feels like driving on train tracks from the state line to 92nd street in Kenosha. I41 was crap from Milwaukee through washington county. I can go on and on

I always assumed WisDOT was waiting on Illinois to actually pull the trigger on the IL-53 Extension with IL-120 in Lake County.

This would allow the Wilmette types to reach their wine and cheese tastings near Lake Geneva faster.

Revive 755

Quote from: Crash_It on December 14, 2020, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 14, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.


That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

I thought IDOT had already started resurfacing much of I-39?

As for US 12 just north of the Illinois border, I recall a lot of it being recently resurfaced, except near one older looking bridge south of WI 50.

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: Crash_It on December 14, 2020, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 14, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.


That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

I-80 across Illinois is the most bitched about interstate in the Midwest. I-55 sucks in Springfield. IDOT still has a lot of work to do so I wouldn't be overreacting to a little shade.
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Crash_It

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 12:28:55 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 14, 2020, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 14, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.


That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

I-80 across Illinois is the most bitched about interstate in the Midwest. I-55 sucks in Springfield. IDOT still has a lot of work to do so I wouldn't be overreacting to a little shade.

I55 has just been resurfaced and 80 will be as well.

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 04:28:19 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 12:28:55 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 14, 2020, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 14, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.


That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

I-80 across Illinois is the most bitched about interstate in the Midwest. I-55 sucks in Springfield. IDOT still has a lot of work to do so I wouldn't be overreacting to a little shade.

I55 has just been resurfaced and 80 will be as well.

Resurfacing is like putting lipstick on a pig. Need to be doing more than that, which a shitty DOT like IDiOT can't afford.
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Crash_It

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 04:22:56 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 04:28:19 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 12:28:55 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 14, 2020, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 14, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.


That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

I-80 across Illinois is the most bitched about interstate in the Midwest. I-55 sucks in Springfield. IDOT still has a lot of work to do so I wouldn't be overreacting to a little shade.

I55 has just been resurfaced and 80 will be as well.

Resurfacing is like putting lipstick on a pig. Need to be doing more than that, which a shitty DOT like IDiOT can't afford.


I55 was reconstructed as well. At least our bridges don't crumble and kill thousands of people like a certain bridge in your state did. So you aren't qualified to speak on this.

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Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
I55 was reconstructed as well. At least our bridges don't crumble and kill thousands of people like a certain bridge in your state did. So you aren't qualified to speak on this.

Since when is thirteen "thousands"?
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Crash_It

Quote from: 1 on December 15, 2020, 05:01:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
I55 was reconstructed as well. At least our bridges don't crumble and kill thousands of people like a certain bridge in your state did. So you aren't qualified to speak on this.

Since when is thirteen "thousands"?

My mistake, but it was still negligence on the part of a DOT that caused that.

TheHighwayMan3561

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.
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Crash_It

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 05:36:05 PM
I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 05:36:05 PM
I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.
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Crash_It

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 05:36:05 PM
I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

ilpt4u

Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 05:36:05 PM
I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.
Not yet, anyway. IDOT needs to get moving on those I-80 bridges in Joliet, tho

Crash_It

Quote from: ilpt4u on December 15, 2020, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 05:36:05 PM
I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.
Not yet, anyway. IDOT needs to get moving on those I-80 bridges in Joliet, tho


Minor repairs have already been made but more substantial ones will be made over the next couple years

hobsini2

Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 05:36:05 PM
I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.
Umm, Crash. You may want to do some research on bridges in Illinois before claiming that it "never" happens here.
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Brandon

Quote from: Crash_It on December 15, 2020, 04:28:19 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2020, 12:28:55 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on December 14, 2020, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 14, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.


That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

I-80 across Illinois is the most bitched about interstate in the Midwest. I-55 sucks in Springfield. IDOT still has a lot of work to do so I wouldn't be overreacting to a little shade.

I55 has just been resurfaced and 80 will be as well.

Yep, I-55 has been resurfaced, just a patch at a time.  A patch here, a patch there, pretty soon, IDOT will have replaced all the old pavement piecemeal.
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