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Started by FLRoads, January 21, 2009, 12:31:13 AM

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RoadPelican

US 17 is pretty nice from Palatka to Green Cove Springs, 4 lanes, rural, 60 MPH Speed Limit.
After Green Cove Springs, you start getting into the sprawl of Jacksonville (Orange Park)

US 301 is also great from Baldwin to Callahan, 4 lanes, rural, 65 MPH Speed Limit.

I wouldn't mind seeing an northern extension of the First Coast Expressway, it could go NW to US 301, follow that corridor and put it on a new bypass of Callahan to the NW. Then it would go NE and link up with I-95 just south of the Georgia border.

The population of Nassau County has doubled since 2000. The intersection of US 301 and US 1 in downtown Callahan handles a lot of traffic. I was there in April and traffic was backed up at least a good half-mile on US 1 at the traffic light. This was around 3 PM on a Weekday.


Max Rockatansky

Quote from: RoadPelican on June 27, 2024, 02:24:35 PMUS 301 is also great from Baldwin to Callahan, 4 lanes, rural, 65 MPH Speed Limit.


Heh, now that is a statement I never thought I would see. 

ElishaGOtis

Quote from: RoadPelican on June 27, 2024, 02:24:35 PMUS 17 is pretty nice from Palatka to Green Cove Springs, 4 lanes, rural, 60 MPH Speed Limit.
After Green Cove Springs, you start getting into the sprawl of Jacksonville (Orange Park)


Interesting that it's 60 instead of 65 despite not being within an urban area, which if it was, would activate the 60mph cap (unlike 301 in Duval County).

For context, there's a little known quirk about FL's speed limit cap. 4-lane divided highways can be 65, but only outside urban areas of 5,000 or more persons. The other cap of 60 would apply unless it's a "limited access highway" (capped at 70). Since 301 south of Baldwin is supposedly in an urban area, it's capped at 60. However, 17 is not.
I can drive 55 ONLY when it makes sense.

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VTGoose

Quote from: RoadPelican on June 27, 2024, 02:24:35 PMUS 17 is pretty nice from Palatka to Green Cove Springs, 4 lanes, rural, 60 MPH Speed Limit.
After Green Cove Springs, you start getting into the sprawl of Jacksonville (Orange Park)

US 301 is also great from Baldwin to Callahan, 4 lanes, rural, 65 MPH Speed Limit.

I wouldn't mind seeing an northern extension of the First Coast Expressway, it could go NW to US 301, follow that corridor and put it on a new bypass of Callahan to the NW. Then it would go NE and link up with I-95 just south of the Georgia border.

The population of Nassau County has doubled since 2000. The intersection of US 301 and US 1 in downtown Callahan handles a lot of traffic. I was there in April and traffic was backed up at least a good half-mile on US 1 at the traffic light. This was around 3 PM on a Weekday.

I would vote for a bypass of Callahan, although we really don't encounter heavy traffic there. It's the long slog north of town posted at 45 MPH that slows things down.

I would also like to see a direct connection from U.S. 301 to I-75 to bypass Zuber, especially when exiting I-75 when the truck stops are backed up. It will be interesting to see if Buc-ee's has a connection to U.S. 301, providing an effective "bypass" if things aren't jammed up with crazy tourists.
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Avalanchez71

Looks like Miami-Dade County now has marked a county road.  Card Sound Road is now marked in Miami-Dade County as CR 905A.  What precipitated Miami-Dade marking a county road?


Max Rockatansky

Old alignment of US 1 and has been signed for quite a long time (at least in Monroe County). 

https://flic.kr/p/UUAuw9

Avalanchez71

I am familiar with Card Sound Road.  My understanding was that Miami-Dade County didn't consider any of its roads as part of any marked number county highway.  I have been on Card Sound Road several times in the past.

Max Rockatansky

Never really thought to look for Miami-Dade shields.  I was more interested in stuff like this:

https://flic.kr/p/UHgGpY

Avalanchez71


1995hoo

Quote from: 1995hoo on June 12, 2024, 09:09:30 AMDoes anyone know how long I should expect it to take for Greater Miami Expressway Agency tolls to post to my E-ZPass account? On Sunday we went to a restaurant in North Miami (an excellent restaurant, BTW—Battubelin on 79th Street) and on the way down, I used Gratigny Parkway (FL-924), which has two toll gantries. Those tolls haven't posted yet. On the way back, I used the Turnpike instead and that toll posted within 24 hours. Just wondering whether I should be expecting Hertz to sock me with a surcharge or whether that particular toll agency is just slow.

So I posted the above on June 12. The two Gratigny Parkway tolls still haven't posted to my E-ZPass, but Hertz hasn't billed me for them either. Maybe I'll get off the hook for those.
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D-Dey65

#3860
The reconstruction of Exit 48 on Interstate 4 sucks. They brought the ramps between the rest areas and the west corners of the interchange too close to one another. I thought they were going to have through lanes that were separate from the off and on ramps of the interchange and the rest areas, like I-95 at the Dale City Rest Area in Virginia.

And the I-4/Exit 44 interchange still needs traffic signals.


formulanone

#3861
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 29, 2024, 09:00:53 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 12, 2024, 09:09:30 AMDoes anyone know how long I should expect it to take for Greater Miami Expressway Agency tolls to post to my E-ZPass account? On Sunday we went to a restaurant in North Miami (an excellent restaurant, BTW—Battubelin on 79th Street) and on the way down, I used Gratigny Parkway (FL-924), which has two toll gantries. Those tolls haven't posted yet. On the way back, I used the Turnpike instead and that toll posted within 24 hours. Just wondering whether I should be expecting Hertz to sock me with a surcharge or whether that particular toll agency is just slow.

So I posted the above on June 12. The two Gratigny Parkway tolls still haven't posted to my E-ZPass, but Hertz hasn't billed me for them either. Maybe I'll get off the hook for those.

I use Avis a lot, and sometimes they tend to post multi-day toll usage in two batches. One charge for the overall daily/weekly convenience fees plus tolls for the first few days, and a separate toll charge (without the fee) for any toll charges incurred towards the end of the rental period, which usually arrives a week after the aforementioned first charge. MDX is also a separate toll entity than Florida's Turnpike system (likewise, Central Florida Expressway, et al) so that is usually also billed on a different schedule.

Not sure if Hertz woks the same way.

ElishaGOtis

Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 29, 2024, 09:12:39 AMThe reconstruction of Exit 48 on Interstate 4 sucks. They brought the ramps between the rest areas and the west corners of the interchange too close to one another. I thought they were going to have through lanes that were separate from the  off and on ramps of the interchange and the rest areas, like I-95 at the Dale City Rest Area in Virginia.

And the I-4/Exit 44 interchange still needs traffic signals.



You're partly correct. The shifted alignment is meant to be for eventual express toll lanes in the area, in addition to the Brightline extension. The overpass before that did not accommodate for HSR like the new one. You may notice the bridge is slightly higher than most newer overpasses.

Regardless, you have an extremely valid concern over the ramp spacing. Adding an auxiliary lane wouldn't hurt to accommodate these closely spaced ramps IMHO.
I can drive 55 ONLY when it makes sense.

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SilverMustang2011

Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 27, 2024, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on June 27, 2024, 02:24:35 PMUS 17 is pretty nice from Palatka to Green Cove Springs, 4 lanes, rural, 60 MPH Speed Limit.
After Green Cove Springs, you start getting into the sprawl of Jacksonville (Orange Park)


Interesting that it's 60 instead of 65 despite not being within an urban area, which if it was, would activate the 60mph cap (unlike 301 in Duval County).

For context, there's a little known quirk about FL's speed limit cap. 4-lane divided highways can be 65, but only outside urban areas of 5,000 or more persons. The other cap of 60 would apply unless it's a "limited access highway" (capped at 70). Since 301 south of Baldwin is supposedly in an urban area, it's capped at 60. However, 17 is not.

I always wondered why the speed limit on 301 dropped to 60 when you hit Duval County. It's cool to know there's a legal technicality for it. I just guessed it was a way to make money off unsuspecting tourists still going 70-ish, especially with how notorious the Ocala-I-10 stretch of 301 is for speed traps.

SilverMustang2011

Quote from: VTGoose on June 27, 2024, 05:32:45 PMI would vote for a bypass of Callahan, although we really don't encounter heavy traffic there. It's the long slog north of town posted at 45 MPH that slows things down.

I would also like to see a direct connection from U.S. 301 to I-75 to bypass Zuber, especially when exiting I-75 when the truck stops are backed up. It will be interesting to see if Buc-ee's has a connection to U.S. 301, providing an effective "bypass" if things aren't jammed up with crazy tourists.


Exit 358 may be the most consistently backed-up exit I've seen that's not in an inherently high-congestion area. At the least, I wish FDOT would allocate some funds to make double right turn lanes from NB 75 to EB 326, since traffic from the ramp routinely backs up onto the right lane of 75. Can't imagine that's safe.

ElishaGOtis

#3865
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on June 29, 2024, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 27, 2024, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on June 27, 2024, 02:24:35 PMUS 17 is pretty nice from Palatka to Green Cove Springs, 4 lanes, rural, 60 MPH Speed Limit.
After Green Cove Springs, you start getting into the sprawl of Jacksonville (Orange Park)


Interesting that it's 60 instead of 65 despite not being within an urban area, which if it was, would activate the 60mph cap (unlike 301 in Duval County).

For context, there's a little known quirk about FL's speed limit cap. 4-lane divided highways can be 65, but only outside urban areas of 5,000 or more persons. The other cap of 60 would apply unless it's a "limited access highway" (capped at 70). Since 301 south of Baldwin is supposedly in an urban area, it's capped at 60. However, 17 is not.

I always wondered why the speed limit on 301 dropped to 60 when you hit Duval County. It's cool to know there's a legal technicality for it. I just guessed it was a way to make money off unsuspecting tourists still going 70-ish, especially with how notorious the Ocala-I-10 stretch of 301 is for speed traps.

I'm not the biggest fan of that cap, or any cap in that matter, as this state is growing fast. It's only a matter of time until an only small number of 4-lane divided highways are designated as being "outside an urban area." I'm curious to see how the 2020 census data will change these boundaries, added or removed. I'm not even sure every district (or even county) is aware of this technicality.

On a similar note, CR-524 down in Port Richey has a section posted at 65, for instance. Counties are also capped at 60, except this cap applies regardless of lane count, corridor type, or urban status. Not sure what happened here, as this is technically not permitted (I am not a lawyer, but on its face that's what I understand the law to be)...

Regardless, that's not to say the speed trap "aura" is outdated. Lawtey now has speed cameras on 301... :pan:
I can drive 55 ONLY when it makes sense.

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SilverMustang2011

Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 29, 2024, 03:33:49 PMRegardless, that's not to say the speed trap "aura" is outdated. Lawtey now has speed cameras on 301... :pan:

I was wondering why I don't see a cop stationed in Lawtey all the time anymore....

roadman65

Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 29, 2024, 03:33:49 PM
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on June 29, 2024, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 27, 2024, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on June 27, 2024, 02:24:35 PMUS 17 is pretty nice from Palatka to Green Cove Springs, 4 lanes, rural, 60 MPH Speed Limit.
After Green Cove Springs, you start getting into the sprawl of Jacksonville (Orange Park)


Interesting that it's 60 instead of 65 despite not being within an urban area, which if it was, would activate the 60mph cap (unlike 301 in Duval County).

For context, there's a little known quirk about FL's speed limit cap. 4-lane divided highways can be 65, but only outside urban areas of 5,000 or more persons. The other cap of 60 would apply unless it's a "limited access highway" (capped at 70). Since 301 south of Baldwin is supposedly in an urban area, it's capped at 60. However, 17 is not.

I always wondered why the speed limit on 301 dropped to 60 when you hit Duval County. It's cool to know there's a legal technicality for it. I just guessed it was a way to make money off unsuspecting tourists still going 70-ish, especially with how notorious the Ocala-I-10 stretch of 301 is for speed traps.

I'm not the biggest fan of that cap, or any cap in that matter, as this state is growing fast. It's only a matter of time until an only small number of 4-lane divided highways are designated as being "outside an urban area." I'm curious to see how the 2020 census data will change these boundaries, added or removed. I'm not even sure every district (or even county) is aware of this technicality.

On a similar note, CR-524 down in Port Richey has a section posted at 65, for instance. Counties are also capped at 60, except this cap applies regardless of lane count, corridor type, or urban status. Not sure what happened here, as this is technically not permitted (I am not a lawyer, but on its face that's what I understand the law to be)...

Regardless, that's not to say the speed trap "aura" is outdated. Lawtey now has speed cameras on 301... :pan:

You are right as far as the high rural speed limits will last. US 27 in Lake and Polk counties from I-4 to Clermont. Used to be not only 65 mph in 2000, but no stoplights. Only a flasher at Hooks Street after the 65-55 change in Clermont. Now since 2000, a stoplight every half mile occurs that used to be signal less for almost 30 miles. For example the first stoplight north of I-4 was in Groveland at the Turnpike Entrance before the big boom took off.
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D-Dey65

Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on June 29, 2024, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on June 27, 2024, 05:32:45 PMI would vote for a bypass of Callahan, although we really don't encounter heavy traffic there. It's the long slog north of town posted at 45 MPH that slows things down.

I would also like to see a direct connection from U.S. 301 to I-75 to bypass Zuber, especially when exiting I-75 when the truck stops are backed up. It will be interesting to see if Buc-ee's has a connection to U.S. 301, providing an effective "bypass" if things aren't jammed up with crazy tourists.


Exit 358 may be the most consistently backed-up exit I've seen that's not in an inherently high-congestion area. At the least, I wish FDOT would allocate some funds to make double right turn lanes from NB 75 to EB 326, since traffic from the ramp routinely backs up onto the right lane of 75. Can't imagine that's safe.
If they did that, they'd also have to extend the northbound off-ramp, even if they don't do it to the extent of Exit 301 in Ridge Manor West. This is guaranteed to create a lot of weaving with the proposed interchange with 49th Street, which is why I still wish there could be local and express lanes in Ocala.

Hey, does traffic along I-75 in Gainesville ever get as bad as Ocala, besides during UF sports events?


formulanone

Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 30, 2024, 12:49:30 PMHey, does traffic along I-75 in Gainesville ever get as bad as Ocala, besides during UF sports events?

Not really; it slows down traffic but doesn't typically stop traffic like Ocala. Probably because most of the exits are spaced at least miles apart (except for the shorter gap between the SR 121 and Archer Road exits).

pianocello

Quote from: formulanone on June 30, 2024, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 30, 2024, 12:49:30 PMHey, does traffic along I-75 in Gainesville ever get as bad as Ocala, besides during UF sports events?

Not really; it slows down traffic but doesn't typically stop traffic like Ocala. Probably because most of the exits are spaced at least miles apart (except for the shorter gap between the SR 121 and Archer Road exits).

Also, based on where many people in Gainesville live and work, I-75 is useless for most local trips due to its angle and the hub-and-spoke nature of the streets it intersects.
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ElishaGOtis

Quote from: pianocello on July 01, 2024, 08:05:43 AM
Quote from: formulanone on June 30, 2024, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 30, 2024, 12:49:30 PMHey, does traffic along I-75 in Gainesville ever get as bad as Ocala, besides during UF sports events?

Not really; it slows down traffic but doesn't typically stop traffic like Ocala. Probably because most of the exits are spaced at least miles apart (except for the shorter gap between the SR 121 and Archer Road exits).

Also, based on where many people in Gainesville live and work, I-75 is useless for most local trips due to  its angle and the hub-and-spoke nature of the streets it intersects.

WOW, it's almost as if properly designing an urban interstate means there won't be many traffic delays. :bigass:  :pan:  :pan:

I just did a speed study on I-75 in Gainesville a week or so ago. Got an 85%ile of about 83mph at 9-10-ish PM from about 500 vehicles headed northbound. Clearly the area does mathematically slow traffic down a little, although that really depends on how a motorist would perceive "slowing down" to be. Curious to see how this would compare to other locations on I-75; I wouldn't be surprised if I'd get an 85%ile of higher than 85mph, if not 90mph.
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formulanone

Quote from: ElishaGOtis on July 01, 2024, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: pianocello on July 01, 2024, 08:05:43 AM
Quote from: formulanone on June 30, 2024, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 30, 2024, 12:49:30 PMHey, does traffic along I-75 in Gainesville ever get as bad as Ocala, besides during UF sports events?

Not really; it slows down traffic but doesn't typically stop traffic like Ocala. Probably because most of the exits are spaced at least miles apart (except for the shorter gap between the SR 121 and Archer Road exits).

Also, based on where many people in Gainesville live and work, I-75 is useless for most local trips due to  its angle and the hub-and-spoke nature of the streets it intersects.

WOW, it's almost as if properly designing an urban interstate means there won't be many traffic delays. :bigass:  :pan:  :pan:

I just did a speed study on I-75 in Gainesville a week or so ago. Got an 85%ile of about 83mph at 9-10-ish PM from about 500 vehicles headed northbound. Clearly the area does mathematically slow traffic down a little, although that really depends on how a motorist would perceive "slowing down" to be. Curious to see how this would compare to other locations on I-75; I wouldn't be surprised if I'd get an 85%ile of higher than 85mph, if not 90mph.
It was rare for me to use I-75 for local trips when I lived in Gainesville, but I also lived several miles away from its exits.

VTGoose

Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 30, 2024, 12:49:30 PMIf they did that, they'd also have to extend the northbound off-ramp, even if they don't do it to the extent of Exit 301 in Ridge Manor West. This is guaranteed to create a lot of weaving with the proposed interchange with 49th Street, which is why I still wish there could be local and express lanes in Ocala.

Express lanes would be nice. It could be even better if there was a way to get from Zuber to FL 589 to go south and avoid I-75 altogether. A few years ago (when it was just me without my wife, who was providing daycare to our new grandson) I took the Suncoast Parkway north just for grins. At that time it ended at U.S. 98 and I got killed on time getting from there east to I-75.
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1995hoo

Quote from: formulanone on June 29, 2024, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 29, 2024, 09:00:53 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 12, 2024, 09:09:30 AMDoes anyone know how long I should expect it to take for Greater Miami Expressway Agency tolls to post to my E-ZPass account? On Sunday we went to a restaurant in North Miami (an excellent restaurant, BTW—Battubelin on 79th Street) and on the way down, I used Gratigny Parkway (FL-924), which has two toll gantries. Those tolls haven't posted yet. On the way back, I used the Turnpike instead and that toll posted within 24 hours. Just wondering whether I should be expecting Hertz to sock me with a surcharge or whether that particular toll agency is just slow.

So I posted the above on June 12. The two Gratigny Parkway tolls still haven't posted to my E-ZPass, but Hertz hasn't billed me for them either. Maybe I'll get off the hook for those.

I use Avis a lot, and sometimes they tend to post multi-day toll usage in two batches. One charge for the overall daily/weekly convenience fees plus tolls for the first few days, and a separate toll charge (without the fee) for any toll charges incurred towards the end of the rental period, which usually arrives a week after the aforementioned first charge. MDX is also a separate toll entity than Florida's Turnpike system (likewise, Central Florida Expressway, et al) so that is usually also billed on a different schedule.

Not sure if Hertz woks the same way.

Well, Hertz billed me $11.87 today for two tolls that came to less than a dollar. I guess the toll equipment didn't read my E-ZPass even though the gantry on the Turnpike read it just fine.
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