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Started by Stojko, February 04, 2010, 06:56:42 PM

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SignGeek101

Another major stub I can think of comes from the A-40/73, A-573 interchange in Quebec City:

https://goo.gl/maps/2izEgmmzD8n

A-40 was supposed to be extended west of here I believe, but of course, never happened.



ATLRedSoxFan

I confess, I haven't done a thorough search, but does anyone have any insights as to what is happening with the Boneventure in Montreal? Is it just being demolished and decommissioned?

ATLRedSoxFan

A friend just explained to me that it's being converted to a ground-level boulevard of sorts with "green spaces" in an effort to reconnect the neighborhood.

noelbotevera

Quote from: SignGeek101 on August 10, 2016, 10:02:16 PM
Another major stub I can think of comes from the A-40/73, A-573 interchange in Quebec City:

https://goo.gl/maps/2izEgmmzD8n

A-40 was supposed to be extended west of here I believe, but of course, never happened.
I find the ending of A-40 more stubby than that. It should end at A-440, but for some reason continues to QC 368 and magically becomes QC 138.

7/8

#254
Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on August 21, 2016, 11:14:17 PM
I confess, I haven't done a thorough search, but does anyone have any insights as to what is happening with the Boneventure in Montreal? Is it just being demolished and decommissioned?

Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on August 21, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
A friend just explained to me that it's being converted to a ground-level boulevard of sorts with "green spaces" in an effort to reconnect the neighborhood.

I found this article which says your friend is right. :nod: Though the article says only part of the highway is being demolished.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/say-goodbye-to-elevated-stretch-of-bonaventure-expressway

(Normally I would quote from the article, but it's more work on my iPad than a computer)

Transportfan

Here's two videos of the entire length 185/A-85. It looks like even the northern section of 185 definitely needs twinning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0vfHp_N0Cg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PliEIc9ft1g

vdeane

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 22, 2016, 05:10:38 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on August 10, 2016, 10:02:16 PM
Another major stub I can think of comes from the A-40/73, A-573 interchange in Quebec City:

https://goo.gl/maps/2izEgmmzD8n

A-40 was supposed to be extended west of here I believe, but of course, never happened.
I find the ending of A-40 more stubby than that. It should end at A-440, but for some reason continues to QC 368 and magically becomes QC 138.
Technically QC 138 enters from the interchange with QC 368.  While they could have extended A-440 to that point, MTQ probably wanted to go from one through number to another to make it easier for long distance travelers, who just need to follow A-40 and QC 138 without worrying about a section of A-440 in between.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Fugazi

#257
Exit renumbering on R-175:

Crossing the Quebec Bridge northbound into Quebec City on R-175 there are two numbered exits (132 and 133) for Boul. Champlain and Chemin St-Louis respectively. Before the recent surface and sign works on the bridge the BGS looked like this (GSV captures):





New signs have been installed as of August 2016:





Exits 132 and 133 are now become 22 and 23, following the mileage of R-175 starting in St-Lambert. The former exit numbers were based on the exit numbers of parallel autoroute A-73.

There's a third gantry down the road for exit 23, of which I have no picture yet.

Of note, this southbound unnumbered exit early warning sign:



Has been replaced by this:



Southbound, exit "23" for Ch. St-Louis is unnumbered, and there's no exit "22" for Boul. Champlain due to the presence of the CN track along the west side of R-175.

Alps

#258
I guess that really cements 175 ending at 218 instead of 173. Don't forget the important acknowledgement of QC 136!

vdeane

I think it's funny that they're acknowledging QC 136 when they're planning on duplicating the number.
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Fugazi

#260
Quote from: Alps on August 30, 2016, 12:03:32 AM
I guess that really cements 175 ending at 218 instead of 173. Don't forget the important acknowledgement of QC 136!
Indeed, R-136 is pretty well advertised now at its western end, with still no other acknowledgment along its length or eastern end! (wherever that is!).



Quote from: vdeane on August 30, 2016, 01:33:45 PM
I think it's funny that they're acknowledging QC 136 when they're planning on duplicating the number.
Yeah, that's a bit lame in my opinion. There's no vital need to duplicate numbers. And Boul. Champlain should probably be downgraded to a R-3xx with the low speed limits and short length (it's the shortest extant R-1xx unless I'm mistaken).

7/8

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/roadwork-more-hell-on-the-way-this-fall

QuoteRoadwork: More hell on the way this fall on Montreal highways

If you thought traffic was bad now, road planners have an ominous message: it's going to get even worse, and the added pain could last two years or longer.

"It's the worst I have ever seen it,"  said long-time traffic observer Rick Leckner. "We have to stop complaining and do what we can to try to reduce the problem by staying off the roads."

Planners from Transport Quebec, the city, and several other agencies called reporters in for an hour-long briefing Thursday about the roadwork planned for the next few months, most of it on main routes to downtown.

The bulk of the interruptions will occur in what's being called the Bonaventure-Champlain-Turcot triangle, the three major projects underway in the city's centre.

Ville-Marie Expressway: reduced lanes for two years or longer

The Ville-Marie Expressway, used by more than 100,000 motorists daily, will never be the same again as of November. That's when cars on the eastbound side will be diverted to part of the rebuilt expressway, which will be known as Route 136 when it reopens fully in 2020.

Only two lanes of the rebuilt expressway will be built by November, so traffic will be reduced to two lanes from the current four lanes until some time in 2018. The section affected is from the Highway 20/Décarie entrance until the entrance to Ville-Marie tunnel. Sarah Bensadoun, a spokesperson for Transport Quebec, said it was not possible to say when in 2018 the expressway would be back up to four lanes.

It gets worse: the eastbound expressway will be completely closed for 15 to 20 weekends on the same stretch of road, starting in mid-October.

The lane closures are added to long-term closures already in place in Notre-Dame-de-Grâce, where the Montreal West and St-Pierre interchanges have been closed since December, and will remain so until 2019. A possible alternate road, St-Jacques St. was demolished over the Décarie Expressway and won't be reopened for at least a year, Bensadoun said. 

Bridge work

There are six weekends of work blitzes scheduled for both the Champlain and the Mercier bridges. On the weekends of Sept 10-11, and Oct. 1-2, the South Shore-bound Champlain Bridge will be closed for work on the structure's beams. Montreal-bound traffic will be closed on the bridge over the Sept. 17-18 and Oct. 15-16 weekends. Lanes of the Mercier Bridge leading to the South Shore will be closed on Oct. 8-9 and Oct. 22-23, but traffic will be diverted to the other side of the bridge, so one lane of traffic in each direction will be maintained during those weekends. The Montreal-bound Mercier will be closed on the weekend of Oct. 29-30, with no Montreal-bound traffic permitted.

Other closures

A portion of St-Patrick St. in the Sud-Ouest borough, from around Pitt St. to Atwater Ave., will be closed from September to December.

Greene Ave. from Dorchester Blvd. to St-Antoine St. will be closed starting in September for undetermined period.

The exit for Wellington St. in Verdun from Highway 15 will be closed until 2017 as part of work on the new Champlain Bridge.

There will also be work done around the Louis-Hippolyte-La Fontaine tunnel that will cause some lanes to be reduced, and some overnight closures.

Commuters called to do their part

Both Transport Minister Jacques Daoust and Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre called on commuters to do their part by trying to stay off the roads and take public transit. Montreal's Chamber of Commerce said it will try to help by bringing together businesses to put in place measures like alternative hours, or carpooling incentives, to try to ease rush hour traffic.

Mitigation measures

The province said it is pouring in $60 million into incentives to take public transit. Among the measures are 25 new buses for the Société de transport de Montréal, which will result in 130 new departures. There will also be more buses added to the commuter routes off-island, more departures on the métro's Green Line, and more parking spaces around transit hubs. A new train station in Lachine on the Candiac Line is due to open at the end of the year.

Stephane Dumas


Alps

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 30, 2016, 05:43:10 PM
A-73 construction is complete, all it need is the marked paint lines
http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/quebec/2016/09/23/007-prolongement-autoroute-73-ouverture-saint-georges.shtml

Althought then the former mayor of St-Georges complained about that detail.
http://www.enbeauce.com/actualites/politique/299664/autoroute-73-claude-morin-met-le-frein-a-lenthousiasme-de-roger-carette

Edit: A-73 is now open! http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/09/29/lautoroute-de-la-beauce-ouvre-vendredi-1
Assuming it still has southern end at QC 204 roundabout, instead of continuing a few km farther south to a proper ending at 173.

oscar

Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2016, 06:21:23 PM
Assuming it still has southern end at QC 204 roundabout, instead of continuing a few km farther south to a proper ending at 173.

Right. But if the auto-translation of the article Stephane linked is correct, MTQ plans to study a short southward extension (not all the way to 173), to address the anticipated congestion in downtown St.-Georges.
my Hot Springs and Highways pages, with links to my roads sites:
http://www.alaskaroads.com/home.html

SignGeek101

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 30, 2016, 05:43:10 PM
Althought then the former mayor of St-Georges complained about that detail.
http://www.enbeauce.com/actualites/politique/299664/autoroute-73-claude-morin-met-le-frein-a-lenthousiasme-de-roger-carette

He seems a bit demanding on this freeway. I read the mayor of St Georges wants A-73 to I-95 near Skowhagan.  :-D   :rofl:

Traffic counts on US 201 don't go above 5000 for most of the length north of I-95 (so it won't happen).

(in french, translate to kind of understand it):
http://www.journaldequebec.com/2016/09/29/lautoroute-de-la-beauce-ouvre-vendredi

webfil

Quote from: oscar on September 30, 2016, 07:36:07 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2016, 06:21:23 PM
Assuming it still has southern end at QC 204 roundabout, instead of continuing a few km farther south to a proper ending at 173.

Right. But if the auto-translation of the article Stephane linked is correct, MTQ plans to study a short southward extension (not all the way to 173), to address the anticipated congestion in downtown St.-Georges.

In fact, the article says the mayor will push for study concerning a southward extension. MTQ says it will evaluate the traffic patterns, and that if it reveals either a southern extension (albeit a surface street, a bypass boulevard alike to 74e Rue, a 4-lane 'freeway') or improvements to the actual networks are needed, it will consider building it.

AsphaltPlanet

I was out on the recently completed section of Autoroute 73 south of Quebec City last weekend.  I took some pictures:















The whole and full size images can be found here:
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/PQ/A/73/index.html
AsphaltPlanet.ca  Youtube -- Opinions expressed reflect the viewpoints of others.

Chris

Great photos.

French placenames aren't too favorable for signage due to the amount of -de-xxx ,or sur-xxx, or -les-xxx or -sous-xxx, etc, which makes placenames twice as long.

Imagine placenames like Washington-on-the-Potomac or New York City-at-the-Hudson :)

Stephane Dumas

Quote from: Chris on October 15, 2016, 03:57:51 AM
Great photos.

French placenames aren't too favorable for signage due to the amount of -de-xxx ,or sur-xxx, or -les-xxx or -sous-xxx, etc, which makes placenames twice as long.

Imagine placenames like Washington-on-the-Potomac or New York City-at-the-Hudson :)

There's still Niagara-on-the-lake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara-on-the-Lake Close but no cigar I guess. ;)

webfil

#270
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 15, 2016, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: Chris on October 15, 2016, 03:57:51 AM
Great photos.

French placenames aren't too favorable for signage due to the amount of -de-xxx ,or sur-xxx, or -les-xxx or -sous-xxx, etc, which makes placenames twice as long.

Imagine placenames like Washington-on-the-Potomac or New York City-at-the-Hudson :)

There's still Niagara-on-the-lake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara-on-the-Lake Close but no cigar I guess. ;)

Stratford upon Avon, Newcastle upon Tyne, Barmby on the Marsh, Newton-le-Willow, Ashton-under-Lyne, Burley in Wharfedale, Shipton by Beningbrough.
Frankfurt am Main, Sankt Peter im Sulmtal, Bad Sankt Leonhard im Lavanttal, Sankt Michael in der Obersteiermark, Spittal an der Drau, Eggersdorf bei Graz.
Sveti Jurij ob Å čavnici, Ribnica na Pohorju.
San Vito al Tagliamento, Limone Sul Garda.
Heist-op-den-Berg, Bredene-aan-Zee.

Nothing to do with the language. Case in point.

lordsutch

Quote from: webfil on October 15, 2016, 05:29:14 PM
Stratford upon Avon, Newcastle upon Tyne, Barmby on the Marsh, Newton-le-Willow, Ashton-under-Lyne, Burley in Wharfedale, Shipton by Beningbrough.

At least in the UK usually they're abbreviated on signage unless there's ambiguity, and the locals typically use an abbreviated name (Geordies don't say "Newcastle upon Tyne" unless they're being pedantic); same in Germany.

Chris

U.S. placenames are generally not as long as those in Québec (or those listed in Europe). Usually the longest are like 'North xxx' or 'New xxx' or 'Cape xxx'.

GenExpwy


vdeane

How wasteful.  They shouldn't have replaced the bridge without accommodating the additional width.  Even if they hadn't picked an alternative yet, they should still be saying, "these are the options on the table, we need to accommodate them".  I hope the engineers are personally paying for this via fines and garnished wages and not the taxpayers of Canada.

Stuff like this makes me wonder if the Federal Bridge Corporation has anyone who can plan things out.  When they replaced the Seaway bridge, they build everything out really nice for the new bridge... and then proceded to rip some of it up just a couple months later for the temporary traffic pattern (and toll booth) to demolish the old bridge.  Not only did they rip up brand new infrastructure, the toll booths and permanent roadway are situated in such a way that there will be a permanent kink in the road where the old bridge pier was.  What they should have done is build the new bridge with the temporary connecting road and toll booth and built the permanent connections after the bridge pier was demolished (also, I would have built the booths on the other side of customs, so that people going from the US to Cornwall Island could make the trip without paying two bridge tolls, as used to be possible before customs was moved off the island).  It's as if someone designed the bridge not realizing that it would need to be built around the old bridge until they were nearly done.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0104431,-74.7390249,242m/data=!3m1!1e3
https://goo.gl/maps/wprUd1WQ4ak
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