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Started by jakeroot, May 21, 2016, 01:56:31 PM

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kkt

When I see the name Parkway, I think of a road that's landscaped on both sides, like a Road through a Park.  Not a few miles of strip mall.


jakeroot

Likewise, I don't think of a 40 mph arterial with three hundred traffic lights as a "speedway".

Something brand new would be way cooler. Maybe "Terminal Way".

kkt

You're gonna die if you go that way?

jakeroot

Quote from: kkt on April 28, 2024, 08:48:09 PMYou're gonna die if you go that way?

[Mukilteo Ferry] Terminal Way.

There are quite a few other "Terminal Way" designations in other parts of the country, chiefly near airports or other cargo-handling places.

pderocco

Quote from: jakeroot on April 28, 2024, 05:39:54 PMLikewise, I don't think of a 40 mph arterial with three hundred traffic lights as a "speedway".
Depends on how they time the lights.

TEG24601

Quote from: jakeroot on April 28, 2024, 08:59:55 PM
Quote from: kkt on April 28, 2024, 08:48:09 PMYou're gonna die if you go that way?

[Mukilteo Ferry] Terminal Way.

There are quite a few other "Terminal Way" designations in other parts of the country, chiefly near airports or other cargo-handling places.
It would be hilarious if WSDOT gets involved and they have to call is "Whidbey Island Highway" or "Whidbey Island Blvd", given how much distain residents of old Mukilteo have towards the ferry and ferry traffic.
They said take a left at the fork in the road.  I didn't think they literally meant a fork, until plain as day, there was a fork sticking out of the road at a junction.

Bruce

A new interchange on I-405 has opened at NE 132nd Street in Kirkland. A half-diamond with two roundabouts to serve Totem Lake and EvergreenHealth.

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The Ghostbuster

How common are roundabouts in the state of Washington?

Bruce

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 07, 2024, 10:52:13 PMHow common are roundabouts in the state of Washington?

We've got a few hundred now apparently. Many intersections have been converted, but they're still somewhat rare in interchanges.

Multilane, high-traffic ones are very rare. Lake Stevens opened one months ago that is still having frequent collisions.
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jakeroot

I wouldn't say they're "very rare" but, yes, a plurality of roundabouts are single-lane, but that's true throughout the US.

Unfortunately, it's true that they are usually accident hot-spots. Some that come to mind:

  • WA-20 @ WA-20 Spur (Sharpes Corner): lane reductions have taken place;
  • WA-510 (Marvin Rd) @ Pacific Ave (Lacey): lane reductions have taken place;
  • Steptoe @ Columbia Park Trail (Richland): lane reductions have taken place, and the westbound approach had a meter installed;
  • WA-16 @ Burnham Dr (Gig Harbor): both roundabouts were rebuilt to replace the original British design, but the western roundabout has undergone several changes (i.e. lane reductions) even after rebuilding.
  • I-90 @ Bendigo Blvd (North Bend): lane reductions have taken place so many times, I lost count.

It remains to be seen if 405 @ NE 132nd will prove to be a mess like other multi-lane roundabouts. I'm cautiously optimistic, but the data seems quite telling.

stevashe

At the very least I expect traffic will move better through the intersections.

When NE 132nd St was part of my commute a few years ago, there was always a big backup because the lights on both sides of I-405 were so poorly coordinated, making half of the green time wasted since they didn't line up. Would have been nice to have these roundabouts since they don't have that problem!

To provide one example of a larger roundabout that hasn't had to be revised: US2 @ the Costco Entrance north of Spokane has remained the same since it opened in 2018. Though this one was actually designed by my company to have the option of adding more lanes later, so maybe that's a better strategy than throwing all the lanes in from the start! :P

Bruce

I chose a wonderful day to go to Seattle and return home via I-5. Only took an extra 1.5 hours while detouring to side roads around Lake Stevens.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/traffic-being-diverted-off-northbound-i-5-significant-incident-everett/VBAWNGNHPBGQVFBNECLHHCSOTU/
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roadman65

#1437
Why does US 195 still exist?  US 830 was decommissioned decades ago as that was an intrastate US Route just as this one is. Yes, one could argue US 195 does enter Idaho, but just as ramps to an interchange with its parent.

In reality it could have been eliminated just like historical US 830.  Even US 730 could have gotten the ax even as a two state route, as it's even shorter than US 195.

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kkt

US 195 is an important route in eastern Washington.  I see no reason to eliminate or renumber it.

Bruce

Quote from: roadman65 on August 02, 2024, 10:34:57 AMWhy does US 195 still exist?  US 830 was decommissioned decades ago as that was an intrastate US Route just as this one is. Yes, one could argue US 195 does enter Idaho, but just as ramps to an interchange with its parent.

In reality it could have been eliminated just like historical US 830.  Even US 730 could have gotten the ax even as a two state route, as it's even shorter than US 195.



US 195 is as important as the parallel US 95 section, and also serves to connect US 395 to US 95.
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pderocco

Quote from: Bruce on August 02, 2024, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 02, 2024, 10:34:57 AMWhy does US 195 still exist?  US 830 was decommissioned decades ago as that was an intrastate US Route just as this one is. Yes, one could argue US 195 does enter Idaho, but just as ramps to an interchange with its parent.

In reality it could have been eliminated just like historical US 830.  Even US 730 could have gotten the ax even as a two state route, as it's even shorter than US 195.



US 195 is as important as the parallel US 95 section, and also serves to connect US 395 to US 95.

Yes, it's the only thing that provides some justification for calling US-395 US-395. Otherwise, what the heck does it have to do with US-95? Of course, that's not much of an argument, given that the current iteration of US-191 has no connection to US-91.

But it would be a pointless waste of money to re-sign US-195 as WA-195. It's not harming anything.

Oh, and US-730 is so beautiful, it deserves the honor of a US route designation.

Bickendan

Quote from: pderocco on August 03, 2024, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 02, 2024, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 02, 2024, 10:34:57 AMWhy does US 195 still exist?  US 830 was decommissioned decades ago as that was an intrastate US Route just as this one is. Yes, one could argue US 195 does enter Idaho, but just as ramps to an interchange with its parent.

In reality it could have been eliminated just like historical US 830.  Even US 730 could have gotten the ax even as a two state route, as it's even shorter than US 195.



US 195 is as important as the parallel US 95 section, and also serves to connect US 395 to US 95.

Yes, it's the only thing that provides some justification for calling US-395 US-395. Otherwise, what the heck does it have to do with US-95? Of course, that's not much of an argument, given that the current iteration of US-191 has no connection to US-91.

But it would be a pointless waste of money to re-sign US-195 as WA-195. It's not harming anything.

Oh, and US-730 is so beautiful, it deserves the honor of a US route designation.
I doubt it'd WA 195, a child route of WA 19, but WA 951 would be more likely.

kkt

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Quote from: pderocco on August 03, 2024, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 02, 2024, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 02, 2024, 10:34:57 AMWhy does US 195 still exist?  US 830 was decommissioned decades ago as that was an intrastate US Route just as this one is. Yes, one could argue US 195 does enter Idaho, but just as ramps to an interchange with its parent.

In reality it could have been eliminated just like historical US 830.  Even US 730 could have gotten the ax even as a two state route, as it's even shorter than US 195.



US 195 is as important as the parallel US 95 section, and also serves to connect US 395 to US 95.

Yes, it's the only thing that provides some justification for calling US-395 US-395. Otherwise, what the heck does it have to do with US-95? Of course, that's not much of an argument, given that the current iteration of US-191 has no connection to US-91.

But it would be a pointless waste of money to re-sign US-195 as WA-195. It's not harming anything.

Oh, and US-730 is so beautiful, it deserves the honor of a US route designation.

If we're awarding U.S. routes on beauty, how about restoring WA 410's US route status?

Bickendan

Quote from: kkt on August 06, 2024, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: pderocco on August 03, 2024, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 02, 2024, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 02, 2024, 10:34:57 AMWhy does US 195 still exist?  US 830 was decommissioned decades ago as that was an intrastate US Route just as this one is. Yes, one could argue US 195 does enter Idaho, but just as ramps to an interchange with its parent.

In reality it could have been eliminated just like historical US 830.  Even US 730 could have gotten the ax even as a two state route, as it's even shorter than US 195.



US 195 is as important as the parallel US 95 section, and also serves to connect US 395 to US 95.

Yes, it's the only thing that provides some justification for calling US-395 US-395. Otherwise, what the heck does it have to do with US-95? Of course, that's not much of an argument, given that the current iteration of US-191 has no connection to US-91.

But it would be a pointless waste of money to re-sign US-195 as WA-195. It's not harming anything.

Oh, and US-730 is so beautiful, it deserves the honor of a US route designation.

If we're awarding U.S. routes on beauty, how about restoring WA 410's US route status?

Or bring back US 10 over WA 410 and tell Idaho, Montana, and North Dakota to replace their I-90B and I-94B loops with US 10. Also, MT 1 would be a good candidate routing.

Bruce

I guess there would be some hesitation about putting a US route over a route that has seasonal closures.
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pderocco

Quote from: kkt on August 06, 2024, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: pderocco on August 03, 2024, 06:21:24 PMOh, and US-730 is so beautiful, it deserves the honor of a US route designation.

If we're awarding U.S. routes on beauty, how about restoring WA 410's US route status?

But it's only intrastate. That's why US-299 lost its designation, and that's a beautiful road, too. At least US-730 exists in two states, short as it is.

kkt

Quote from: pderocco on August 07, 2024, 03:50:42 AM
Quote from: kkt on August 06, 2024, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: pderocco on August 03, 2024, 06:21:24 PMOh, and US-730 is so beautiful, it deserves the honor of a US route designation.

If we're awarding U.S. routes on beauty, how about restoring WA 410's US route status?

But it's only intrastate. That's why US-299 lost its designation, and that's a beautiful road, too. At least US-730 exists in two states, short as it is.

It was suggested that states remove their intrastate US routes, not mandatory.

Bruce

Noticed a few days ago that the fourth northbound lane on I-5 between Everett and Marysville was being striped, but now it's official: https://wsdot.wa.gov/about/news/2024/northbound-i-5-hov-extension-everett-marysville-opens

"Contractor crews will do the final paving on this section of northbound I-5 during overnight lane reductions through the end of August, then crews will paint the permanent lane markings in September."

The rest of the project (including the new ramps to and from SR 529 in Marysville) is scheduled to wrap up next spring.
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Henry

Quote from: pderocco on August 03, 2024, 06:21:24 PMOf course, that's not much of an argument, given that the current iteration of US-191 has no connection to US-91..
That's no worse than today's US 163, which is nowhere near connecting to US 63.

Quote from: kkt on August 07, 2024, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: pderocco on August 07, 2024, 03:50:42 AM
Quote from: kkt on August 06, 2024, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: pderocco on August 03, 2024, 06:21:24 PMOh, and US-730 is so beautiful, it deserves the honor of a US route designation.

If we're awarding U.S. routes on beauty, how about restoring WA 410's US route status?

But it's only intrastate. That's why US-299 lost its designation, and that's a beautiful road, too. At least US-730 exists in two states, short as it is.

It was suggested that states remove their intrastate US routes, not mandatory.

Which explains the existence of US 46 in NJ and US 117 in NC; I'm sure they're a thorn in most roadgeeks' sides, but the motoring public in general doesn't care about that.
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So, I just noticed last week when I went to Forks that SR 16 increases in milage from east to west, rather than west to east, as is standard. I know Oregon is weird with its non-interstates, but this is now the only one in Washington that, for whatever reason, does this. That I know of, anyway.
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