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Started by Roadgeekteen, December 27, 2018, 10:34:11 PM

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SEWIGuy

Quote from: jgb191 on July 18, 2024, 09:10:58 PMAnother huge loss for the NBA:  Pat Williams, the architect of (what might have been) the Orlando Magic empire with Penny and Shaq, expired yesterday at the age of 84 years.  His presence during the Draft Lottery was stunning to put it mildly, being seated four times when his team's ping-pong ball bounced his way (once with the Sixers plus the memorable three with the Magic).  He then proceeded to build another very good Magic team that made the 2009 NBA Finals.  Though his teams fell short of the titles, Pat had accomplished in his career what most GMs today could only dream of.

Fun Fact, it was the recently passed Jerry West, arguably the greatest executive in NBA history, that stole away Shaquille O'Neal to the Lakers from Pat Williams to add to his collection of championship empires that he built.  Unfortunately, Pat's fatal flaw in his career was that he couldn't offer Shaq more than Jerry did, and it was the demise of the promising Magic team that might have contended for many years had Shaq stayed in Orlando.

Orlando COULD have offered more. They had his Bird rights and there was no luxury tax back in the day. But they low balled him from the start.


jgb191

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2024, 09:24:12 PMEmpire?  The Magic got blown out in one Finals with Shaq and Penny Hardaway.

The 1995 Finals wasn't a blowout.  As a Rockets fan, the Magic made me sweat and I was nerve-racked for all four games they were all close contests; even coach Rudy T confirmed that the Finals was a lot harder than the 4-0 sweep indicated.    And a fact lost on just about everybody, the 1995 Magic were the last team to eliminate a team with Michael Jordan in the playoffs.

I also think had Shaq stayed in Orlando, he and Penny could have dominated the East in the late 1990s/early 2000s.
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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: jgb191 on July 19, 2024, 10:33:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2024, 09:24:12 PMEmpire?  The Magic got blown out in one Finals with Shaq and Penny Hardaway.

The 1995 Finals wasn't a blowout.  As a Rockets fan, the Magic made me sweat and I was nerve-racked for all four games they were all close contests; even coach Rudy T confirmed that the Finals was a lot harder than the 4-0 sweep indicated.    And a fact lost on just about everybody, the 1995 Magic were the last team to eliminate a team with Michael Jordan in the playoffs.

I also think had Shaq stayed in Orlando, he and Penny could have dominated the East in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

That Bulls team definitely was wonky in 94-95.  Jordan actually looked wonky and out of shape until the 95-96 season.  Had Shaq stayed I don't think they were going to make through the Bulls again until Jordan retired for real.

Stephane Dumas

Quote from: Henry on July 10, 2024, 10:36:56 PMNow it's official!

ESPN/ABC, unfortunately, will continue to be the big guns in town, but NBC returns as the Number 2 partner, and Amazon will claim their own piece of the pie. Cue in the TPIR theme...


To see NBC as the number 2 partner, let's hope they would bring back the theme song who was used in the 1990s.

Henry

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 22, 2024, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 10, 2024, 10:36:56 PMNow it's official!

ESPN/ABC, unfortunately, will continue to be the big guns in town, but NBC returns as the Number 2 partner, and Amazon will claim their own piece of the pie. Cue in the TPIR theme...


To see NBC as the number 2 partner, let's hope they would bring back the theme song who was used in the 1990s.
John Tesh says a new recording is on the way. But for now, we'll have to settle for one more season of the original theme being heard on FOX's college hoops games (no matter how wrong it feels to be used on another network). Let me be the first to admit, I'd rather the NBA come to FOX than stay on ESPN/ABC; let's see if that idea materializes in a dozen years. This is another sign that the NBA is trying way too hard to be like the NFL (and MLB had that same problem in the 80s, when NBC and ABC were broadcasting its games).

Turner may not be out of it just yet, as it's set to match Amazon's offer for the third section of the upcoming contract:

https://sports.yahoo.com/tnt-submits-matching-nba-rights-offer-reportedly-targeting-amazons-package-202846401.html

I do hope that next season will not be their last, so stay tuned.
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On a side note, I always liked how the lasers would cut out the NBC logo.

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I doubt NBC would use Roundball Rock given that NBC Sports Regional like NBC Sports Bay Area and NBC Sports California have been using this as their NBA theme since 2019. It had to be updated one way or another. It's the era of the recent champs that's at play here.

Henry

I listened to the two themes you mentioned, and they sound nothing like the theme I remember that's on FOX now (well, they did include a snippet of the original melody, but otherwise, it feels like a completely different song). For comparison purposes, let's do three versions of the CBS college hoops theme (the 1993 original, the 2004 remake, and the 2021 update):


At least the current theme stays faithful to the classic one.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: bing101 on July 24, 2024, 11:17:26 AM


I doubt NBC would use Roundball Rock given that NBC Sports Regional like NBC Sports Bay Area and NBC Sports California have been using this as their NBA theme since 2019. It had to be updated one way or another. It's the era of the recent champs that's at play here.

They have already said that Roundball Rock is returning. Why would they care what a regional is using?

Ted$8roadFan

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I'm happy that the NBA is returning to NBC after 22 years. Many fond memories of their 1990-2002 run which were some of the best in league history. I'm sad for TNT, though. The pending demise of the TNT studio show/Inside the NBA - the best studio show in sports - is a crime and should be a stain on the honor of those who are responsible.

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Henry

I think it's fitting that NBC will air Sunday Night Basketball as a spinoff of their popular Sunday Night Football series. It's kind of like how ABC once had Monday Night Baseball in the summer to complement their Monday Night Football fall programming back in the late 70s and throughout the 80s.
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mgk920

The Bucks defeated the Orlando magic 112-107 last night at the fiserv.forum in Milwaukee to advance to face the Oklahoma City Thunder in the semi-final game on the mid-season NBA Cup tournament, Friday night in Las Vegas, NV.  It is an interesting something to break the usual flow of the season.

:nod:

Mike

mgk920

Why was I thinking that the Bucks would be playing the Thunder in the semifinal on Friday night?   :banghead:  They defeated the Atlanta Hawks  on Saturday night (110 - 102) and will play the Thunder on Tuesday Night for the NBA Cup title.

Mike

Henry

Quote from: mgk920 on December 16, 2024, 11:19:07 AMWhy was I thinking that the Bucks would be playing the Thunder in the semifinal on Friday night?   :banghead:  They defeated the Atlanta Hawks  on Saturday night (110 - 102) and will play the Thunder on Tuesday Night for the NBA Cup title.

Mike
The Bucks did beat the Thunder in the NBA Cup final. And they didn't celebrate like the Lakers did last year.

The talk of the Christmas Day games was the Spurs-Knicks game that was re-created into Dunk the Halls, basically Disney's take on Space Jam. After seeing the sideshow, I tend to agree with Bugs Bunny, who once asked "what kind of Mickey Mouse organization would do something like that?"
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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on December 27, 2024, 01:04:22 PMLots of sports on Christmas Day, on multiple platforms. As for the ratings:

https://nypost.com/2024/12/26/sports/nfl-netflix-set-ratings-record-in-battle-with-nba-on-christmas-day/
NFL preseason games get better ratings than NBA games. Not even in the same universe of competition.
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Ted$8roadFan

Agree, which makes the NBA's attempts to try to compete (NBA Cup!) kind of sad.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on December 31, 2024, 12:54:59 PMAgree, which makes the NBA's attempts to try to compete (NBA Cup!) kind of sad.

The NBA Cup is fine.

But the NBA has been on Christmas day for years. In fact, the NFL avoided Christmas to the point where if Christmas fell on a Sunday, they would play most of the games on Saturday. I think the fear was that not enough people would show up, but they have since realized that family gatherings can be rescheduled!

jgb191

What is going on with Jimmy Butler??  He had a great thing going in Miami making two improbable NBA Finals run in 2020 and 2023.  I guess I understand him wanting to go to a title contender, but Pat Riley is the last person in the NBA you want to tick off.  I wonder if he and Nikola Jokic might make an interesting combo....might Denver be interested in getting him if Jimmy Butler can help push the Nuggets to the top?  The Joker is my favorite NBA player right now, and I'd love to see him return to the top and hoist another Larry O'Brien trophy.
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SEWIGuy

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Quote from: jgb191 on January 07, 2025, 10:22:01 AMWhat is going on with Jimmy Butler??  He had a great thing going in Miami making two improbable NBA Finals run in 2020 and 2023.  I guess I understand him wanting to go to a title contender, but Pat Riley is the last person in the NBA you want to tick off.  I wonder if he and Nikola Jokic might make an interesting combo....might Denver be interested in getting him if Jimmy Butler can help push the Nuggets to the top?  The Joker is my favorite NBA player right now, and I'd love to see him return to the top and hoist another Larry O'Brien trophy.

It's simple. He wants a significant contract extension and the Heat don't want to give him one. Why is Riley "the last person in the NBA you want to tick off?" What's he going to do about it?

Also, as someone who has followed Jimmy since he first stepped on the court at Marquette, he has a sad history of sabatoging relationships. He might be the only MU basketball alumnus I know of, who wants nothing to do with the program. He reportedly has strained relationships with former teammates as well. His time in Chicago, Minnesota and Philadelphia ended terribly.

Could it be related to the trauma he suffered during his childhood? Where his parents just kicked him out of the house? Who knows...

Henry

Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 07, 2025, 10:47:23 AM
Quote from: jgb191 on January 07, 2025, 10:22:01 AMWhat is going on with Jimmy Butler??  He had a great thing going in Miami making two improbable NBA Finals run in 2020 and 2023.  I guess I understand him wanting to go to a title contender, but Pat Riley is the last person in the NBA you want to tick off.  I wonder if he and Nikola Jokic might make an interesting combo....might Denver be interested in getting him if Jimmy Butler can help push the Nuggets to the top?  The Joker is my favorite NBA player right now, and I'd love to see him return to the top and hoist another Larry O'Brien trophy.

It's simple. He wants a significant contract extension and the Heat don't want to give him one. Why is Riley "the last person in the NBA you want to tick off?" What's he going to do about it?

Also, as someone who has followed Jimmy since he first stepped on the court at Marquette, he has a sad history of sabatoging relationships. He might be the only MU basketball alumnus I know of, who wants nothing to do with the program. He reportedly has strained relationships with former teammates as well. His time in Chicago, Minnesota and Philadelphia ended terribly.

Could it be related to the trauma he suffered during his childhood? Where his parents just kicked him out of the house? Who knows...
It wouldn't be the first time we've seen this drama play out with an individual. James Harden is the same way, with his days in Oklahoma City, Houston, Brooklyn and Philly also ending badly. As for Jimmy Butler, I can't say much about him other than what's been already said, but the Miami-haters are counting the days until the Heat finally get blown up. The last time it happened was back in '08, when they did get blown up only two years after winning it all, although Dwyane Wade (a Chicago native and Marquette alum) managed to survive that disaster and forge a new dynasty with LeBron James and Chris Bosh that produced two more championships to go with the one he already had in '06 and four Finals appearances. It's not like Pat Riley's a cheapskate, especially with those Armani suits he's been known for wearing, but if he's not going to give Butler what he wants, then good riddance, and let the next team have Butler as their latest cancer.
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Ted$8roadFan

The Dallas Mavericks have traded Luka Doncic to the LA Lakers for Anthony Davis. Wonder how many saw that coming.

thspfc

First time the NBA makes national headlines since June is via an awful trade.

Max Rockatansky

I'm not sure what the thinking was but the Lakers at least got a guy that will keep them relevant past LeBron's playing days.



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