Embattled MLB legend Pete Rose, all-time hits leader, dies at 83

Started by ZLoth, September 30, 2024, 09:32:03 PM

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ZLoth

From ESPN:

Embattled MLB legend Pete Rose, all-time hits leader, dies at 83
QuotePete Rose, baseball's career hits leader and fallen idol who undermined his historic achievements and Hall of Fame dreams by gambling on the game he loved and once embodied, has died. He was 83.

Stephanie Wheatley, a spokesperson for Clark County in Nevada, confirmed on behalf of the medical examiner that Rose died Monday. Rose was found by a family member. The coroner will investigate to determine the cause and manner of death, but there are no signs of foul play, according to ABC News.
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From Yahoo Sports:
MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83
Rose, who was banned from the sport for life in the wake of a gambling scandal, won three World Series titles as a player

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From ABC News:
Baseball legend Pete Rose dies at the age of 83
Rose was a 17-time Major League Baseball All-Star.

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Henry

Along with Shoeless Joe Jackson, he's probably the greatest to never make it to Cooperstown. I used to love seeing him come into Wrigley to play against the Cubs (especially with the Big Red Machine of the 70s), and he certainly had flair whenever he stepped up to bat. But unfortunately, his ban in 1989 cost him the chance to win a fourth World Series overall, given that the Reds won it all the very next year with Lou Piniella in his place.

RIP Charlie Hustle
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Konza

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mgk920

IMHO, Jackson's violations were waaaaaay worse than Rose's.

Mike

SEWIGuy

Quote from: mgk920 on October 01, 2024, 02:29:30 AMIMHO, Jackson's violations were waaaaaay worse than Rose's.

Mike

In the sense that first degree murder is worse than second degree murder, yes.

Bobby5280

There is quite a bit of historical dispute about Shoeless Joe Jackson's involvement in the plot to fix the 1919 World Series. The guy had a record 12 hits during the series and the highest batting average out of all players on both teams.

Investigations showed no clear evidence Pete Rose ever threw games or bet against his team. Although as a manager he could have done more subtle things to affect the outcome of games. People also do more than just bet on winners and losers.

The Baseball Hall of Fame has inducted players who've committed other kinds of serious crimes and done so while those players were still alive.

In the cases of Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose I think both should be admitted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. They were banned from baseball for life. Now they're dead. Their on-field achievements are still legendary.

DTComposer

Quote from: Henry on September 30, 2024, 11:04:16 PMAlong with Shoeless Joe Jackson, he's probably the greatest to never make it to Cooperstown.

Bonds is up there. He was a Hall-of-Famer even before the steroids.

Quote from: Konza on September 30, 2024, 11:25:51 PMGreat baseball player.  Terrible human being.

Same with Bonds. You wonder if, with more contrition and a more gracious attitude, they both would have gotten more leniency and been admitted into the Hall.

I would support both of them getting in - good or bad, their impact on the game can't be denied, and I'm old enough to be caught up in the home run fever with the steroid users (Sosa, McGwire, Bonds) that basically brought the sport back from the brink after the strike - nobody was complaining then.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: DTComposer on October 01, 2024, 07:26:46 PMI would support both of them getting in - good or bad, their impact on the game can't be denied, and I'm old enough to be caught up in the home run fever with the steroid users (Sosa, McGwire, Bonds) that basically brought the sport back from the brink after the strike - nobody was complaining then.

I hear this line often, and I just don't think its accurate. I think the Yankees mini-dynasty with winning four World Series in five seasons did more for baseball than anything else. Regardless baseball would have been fine - it wasn't near the brink of anything.

Rothman

Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 02, 2024, 09:14:32 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on October 01, 2024, 07:26:46 PMI would support both of them getting in - good or bad, their impact on the game can't be denied, and I'm old enough to be caught up in the home run fever with the steroid users (Sosa, McGwire, Bonds) that basically brought the sport back from the brink after the strike - nobody was complaining then.

I hear this line often, and I just don't think its accurate. I think the Yankees mini-dynasty with winning four World Series in five seasons did more for baseball than anything else. Regardless baseball would have been fine - it wasn't near the brink of anything.

Maybe for Yankee Fans.  The home run race certainly brought a spotlight back on baseball.

Dark days are always viewed as lighter as they were in retrospect.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Bobby5280

Quote from: SEWIGuyI hear this line often, and I just don't think its accurate. I think the Yankees mini-dynasty with winning four World Series in five seasons did more for baseball than anything else. Regardless baseball would have been fine - it wasn't near the brink of anything.

I couldn't give a damn about the Yankees winning a World Series. They've won so many titles (far more than any other MLB team) my only reaction of them winning another is: BORING.

I'm sure the experience means a great deal to the Yankees players who win the pennant that year. They did the hard work to get there. But it doesn't mean all that much to the fans. Don't get me wrong, Yankees fans do enjoy seeing their team win it all, but their reactions and attitudes are very different from fans of a team that doesn't win all the time. The Yankees adding another World Series trophy to their collection is about as special as the arrival of next Tuesday.

Look at 1986 when the Mets beat the Red Sox in that World Series. New Yorkers were going absolutely nuts. They couldn't believe it. That post-season was excruciatingly painful for Red Sox and Astros fans. But, wow, it was memorable.



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