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Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 29, 2024, 11:26:38 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on August 14, 2024, 07:51:57 PMVideo on the FlexRoad project on I-80/94 (Borman), Indiana's BUSIEST roadway.

It seems like they'll be installing quite a few gantries here. I count 66 overall, including some in Illinois.


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Joe The Dragon

Now will the tollway install some gantries in that area in the 80/I-294 part?

thenetwork

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 29, 2024, 11:26:38 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on August 14, 2024, 07:51:57 PMVideo on the FlexRoad project on I-80/94 (Borman), Indiana's BUSIEST roadway.

It seems like they'll be installing quite a few gantries here, way more than one ever half mile.


You know what makes you feel old?  When it doesn't feel like 30 YEARS since the last major renovation (although the last time I drove The Borman was 18 years ago).

Get off my lawn!!!

hobsini2

I'm not sure if the Kingery Expy part of 80/94 is IDOT or the Tollway jurisdiction. If it is the Tollway Authority, they likely would use the smart road gantries eventually that they have been installing on 294 and 90.
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Great Lakes Roads

Quote from: hobsini2 on August 29, 2024, 03:19:33 PMI'm not sure if the Kingery Expy part of 80/94 is IDOT or the Tollway jurisdiction. If it is the Tollway Authority, they likely would use the smart road gantries eventually that they have been installing on 294 and 90.

The Kingery Expy part of 80/94 is owned and maintained by IDOT.
-Jay Seaburg

hobsini2

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on August 29, 2024, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 29, 2024, 03:19:33 PMI'm not sure if the Kingery Expy part of 80/94 is IDOT or the Tollway jurisdiction. If it is the Tollway Authority, they likely would use the smart road gantries eventually that they have been installing on 294 and 90.

The Kingery Expy part of 80/94 is owned and maintained by IDOT.
Ok. Because the free section of I-90 up by South Beloit is maintained by the Tollway but owned by IDOT.
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: hobsini2 on August 29, 2024, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on August 29, 2024, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 29, 2024, 03:19:33 PMI'm not sure if the Kingery Expy part of 80/94 is IDOT or the Tollway jurisdiction. If it is the Tollway Authority, they likely would use the smart road gantries eventually that they have been installing on 294 and 90.

The Kingery Expy part of 80/94 is owned and maintained by IDOT.
Ok. Because the free section of I-90 up by South Beloit is maintained by the Tollway but owned by IDOT.

Probably because it's such a short stretch of road with no other IDOT freeways nearby. That section of the Kingery is attached to the Bishop Ford and IL 394 so IDOT already has freeways in the area.
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Revive 755

Quote from: thenetwork on August 29, 2024, 03:02:27 PMYou know what makes you feel old?  When it doesn't feel like 30 YEARS since the last major renovation (although the last time I drove The Borman was 18 years ago).

Considering that the Borman just had concrete restoration in the past couple of years (2022 per Streetview, and is shown to be getting it again, maybe it's time to just go for a complete full depth rebuild?

Great Lakes Roads

Quote from: Revive 755 on August 29, 2024, 10:14:51 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 29, 2024, 03:02:27 PMYou know what makes you feel old?  When it doesn't feel like 30 YEARS since the last major renovation (although the last time I drove The Borman was 18 years ago).

Considering that the Borman just had concrete restoration in the past couple of years (2022 per Streetview, and is shown to be getting it again, maybe it's time to just go for a complete full depth rebuild?

I'll give it another 10-15 years before the Borman goes a complete rebuild...
-Jay Seaburg

Moose

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3b1de6d

The former US 52 bridge on the Sagamore parkway is being worked on.

Funny thing is, they are still calling is US 52


NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Moose on August 30, 2024, 07:29:26 PMhttps://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3b1de6d

The former US 52 bridge on the Sagamore parkway is being worked on.

Funny thing is, they are still calling is US 52



When INDOT rerouted US 52 off Sagamore, they kept ownership of the bridge while the cities took over the rest. Sounds like it's still listed as US 52 in INDOT's inventory, since it's never had any other route number.
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ilpt4u

#3187
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 10, 2024, 11:16:26 PMhttps://wsbt.com/news/local/new-diverging-diamond-interchange-coming-state-road-2-construction-highway-amazon-data-center-gm-general-motors-battery-plan-st-joseph-county-indot-indiana

New interchange coming to SR 2 in St. Joseph County (a diverging-diamond interchange)...
The concept video shows a DDI at IN SR 2 and I-69. St Joseph County is the South Bend area...I-69 is not in this county nor area. Is this theoretically replacing the standard cloverleaf with the US 31 Freeway? Is this a new grade separation with a cross-road? The specific crossing for SR 2 is never verbally referenced

After re-watching and re-reading 2 or 3 times, I *think* this is a proposed new grade separation at SR 2 and Larrison Dr/Blvd, but shouldn't 2 get the "freeway" treatment for a potential DDI here?

Overall not a very good news piece...leaving out a lot of the "who/what/when/where/why" questions imho. Stock footage of a Utah DDI was unnecessarily confusing. Almost like this was a hit piece to kill the proposal

ITB

#3188
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 10, 2024, 11:50:53 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 10, 2024, 11:16:26 PMhttps://wsbt.com/news/local/new-diverging-diamond-interchange-coming-state-road-2-construction-highway-amazon-data-center-gm-general-motors-battery-plan-st-joseph-county-indot-indiana

New interchange coming to SR 2 in St. Joseph County (a diverging-diamond interchange)...
The concept video shows a DDI at IN SR 2 and I-69. St Joseph County is the South Bend area...I-69 is not in this county nor area. Is this theoretically replacing the standard cloverleaf with the US 31 Freeway? Is this a new grade separation with a cross-road? The specific crossing for SR 2 is never verbally referenced

After re-watching and re-reading 2 or 3 times, I *think* this is a proposed new grade separation at SR 2 and Larrison Dr/Blvd, but shouldn't 2 get the "freeway" treatment for a potential DDI here?

Overall not a very good news piece...leaving out a lot of the "who/what/when/where/why" questions imho. Stock footage of a Utah DDI was unnecessarily confusing. Almost like this was a hit piece to kill the proposal

Here's another story about the potential DDI. According to the piece, the interchange would indeed be located at Larrison Boulevard/Strawberry Road and State Road 2. The project, which is expected to cost $50 million, with $31 million coming from INDOT, appears to be moving rapidly forward.

JREwing78

The stretch of US-20 and IN-2 connecting I-94 to South Bend is well within the zone where, in theory, InDOT is not allowed to upgrade the roadway to freeway. The idea is to not compete with the Toll Road.

There's a couple of challenges with this roadway:

- The eastern end approaching US-20/31 narrows down to a 5-lane roadway (2 lanes each way with TWLTL) and lacks any kind of median or access controls to handle turning traffic. These plants are going to drive traffic levels up to the point that, for safety reasons, InDOT is going to need to reconfigure the roadway.

Further complicating this plan - IN-2 goes straight through St. Joseph's Cemetery approaching the US-20/31 interchange. Gravesites are jammed right up against the roadway; there's no way to expand it without building an overpass or digging a tunnel, either of which would block access to Pine Rd and Lancer Dr (the only access to a small neighborhood just north of IN-2 right up against the interchange).

It appears InDOT is going to be forced to disturb at least an acre or two of gravesites and take several other properties through eminent domain to implement any substantive safety improvement to this section of IN-2. This would also be an excellent opportunity to underground the overhead utilities and put in noisewalls through the cemetery section.

- There's no direct connection to the Toll Road. The closest you get is IN-39, west of the existing IN-2/US-20 interchange and so close to I-94 that one might as well skip the Toll Road and use I-94 instead. InDOT and the Toll Road could team up for a new interchange where US-20 and the Toll Road cross each other, which would be a few miles closer to GM and Amazon. But, it's also not that far away from IN-39 and hard to justify - it would largely poach traffc from the IN-39 exit.

Looking north, the Toll Road soars several miles north, nearly touching the Michigan border and complicating the plants' access options. There are no existing N-S state highways, nor any direct N-S roadways connecting the two.

The best option would be to extend Strawberry Rd/Larrison Dr north, bypassing I/N Tek and overpassing the railroad to intersect the Toll Road at a new interchange just short of the Michigan line. Likely Michigan would want to extend this roadway to US-12 and provide near-direct access to Galien from the Toll Road. That would be 9 miles of new 2-lane highway with 300' ROW to allow for future conversion to a 4-lane divided highway. This would only partially relieve the need for safety improvements on IN-2, as for a lot of traffic it would be shorter to take IN-2 eastward.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: JREwing78 on September 12, 2024, 01:13:16 PMThe stretch of US-20 and IN-2 connecting I-94 to South Bend is well within the zone where, in theory, InDOT is not allowed to upgrade the roadway to freeway. The idea is to not compete with the Toll Road.

There's a couple of challenges with this roadway:

- The eastern end approaching US-20/31 narrows down to a 5-lane roadway (2 lanes each way with TWLTL) and lacks any kind of median or access controls to handle turning traffic. These plants are going to drive traffic levels up to the point that, for safety reasons, InDOT is going to need to reconfigure the roadway.

Further complicating this plan - IN-2 goes straight through St. Joseph's Cemetery approaching the US-20/31 interchange. Gravesites are jammed right up against the roadway; there's no way to expand it without building an overpass or digging a tunnel, either of which would block access to Pine Rd and Lancer Dr (the only access to a small neighborhood just north of IN-2 right up against the interchange).

It appears InDOT is going to be forced to disturb at least an acre or two of gravesites and take several other properties through eminent domain to implement any substantive safety improvement to this section of IN-2. This would also be an excellent opportunity to underground the overhead utilities and put in noisewalls through the cemetery section.

- There's no direct connection to the Toll Road. The closest you get is IN-39, west of the existing IN-2/US-20 interchange and so close to I-94 that one might as well skip the Toll Road and use I-94 instead. InDOT and the Toll Road could team up for a new interchange where US-20 and the Toll Road cross each other, which would be a few miles closer to GM and Amazon. But, it's also not that far away from IN-39 and hard to justify - it would largely poach traffc from the IN-39 exit.

Looking north, the Toll Road soars several miles north, nearly touching the Michigan border and complicating the plants' access options. There are no existing N-S state highways, nor any direct N-S roadways connecting the two.

The best option would be to extend Strawberry Rd/Larrison Dr north, bypassing I/N Tek and overpassing the railroad to intersect the Toll Road at a new interchange just short of the Michigan line. Likely Michigan would want to extend this roadway to US-12 and provide near-direct access to Galien from the Toll Road. That would be 9 miles of new 2-lane highway with 300' ROW to allow for future conversion to a 4-lane divided highway. This would only partially relieve the need for safety improvements on IN-2, as for a lot of traffic it would be shorter to take IN-2 eastward.

I go back and forth from Lake County to South Bend several times a year, and this is the route I take, so I'm extremely familiar with this roadway.

A new terrain, 4-lane highway (IN 21 anybody?) connecting IN 2 at Strawberry/Larrison with the Toll Road near Hamilton Tr would be wonderful (I've always thought that New Carlisle could use a TR exit), but that seems to really be pie in the sky, especially given that INDOT does not control the Toll Rd.

Extreme outside the box idea: Make US 20 and IN 2 a one way pair between their interchange and US 31.
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JREwing78

My bad. I thought the cemetery north of IN-2 near the US-20/31 interchange was part of St. Joseph's. On later review, it looks like a separate cemetery, the Hungarian Sacred Heart Cemetery. Same issues with trying to widen IN-2 in the area. Hell, probably worse.


Great Lakes Roads

https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/indot-to-unveil-plans-for-construction-project-at-i-465-us-31-in-carmel/

Not even 10 years since this interchange was upgraded as part of the Hamilton County portion of US 31 to freeway standards, this interchange with I-465 will go through the 3rd upgrade since the '90s.

Started out as a standard diamond interchange, upgraded into a Parclo A-4 sometime in the '90s, then upgraded into a partial free-flowing interchange in the mid-2010s, and now this!
-Jay Seaburg

ilpt4u

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 17, 2024, 03:14:28 AMhttps://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/indot-to-unveil-plans-for-construction-project-at-i-465-us-31-in-carmel/

Not even 10 years since this interchange was upgraded as part of the Hamilton County portion of US 31 to freeway standards, this interchange with I-465 will go through the 3rd upgrade since the '90s.

Started out as a standard diamond interchange, upgraded into a Parclo A-4 sometime in the '90s, then upgraded into a partial free-flowing interchange in the mid-2010s, and now this!
Just build a 4 Level Stack and be done with it

Or if 31 has frontage roads make it a 5 Level

I-55

Quote from: ilpt4u on September 17, 2024, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 17, 2024, 03:14:28 AMhttps://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/indot-to-unveil-plans-for-construction-project-at-i-465-us-31-in-carmel/

Not even 10 years since this interchange was upgraded as part of the Hamilton County portion of US 31 to freeway standards, this interchange with I-465 will go through the 3rd upgrade since the '90s.

Started out as a standard diamond interchange, upgraded into a Parclo A-4 sometime in the '90s, then upgraded into a partial free-flowing interchange in the mid-2010s, and now this!
Just build a 4 Level Stack and be done with it

Or if 31 has frontage roads make it a 5 Level

The proximity of the Meridian St / 96th St intersection limits the ability to create free flowing movements on all 4 legs of the interchange. Since 31 is only freeway north of 465 a partial system interchange design is adequate.
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I-55

A public hearing is set for this upcoming Monday (9/23) to discuss proposed changes to US 30 just west of Fort Wayne.

QuoteThe proposed project includes the construction of a diverging diamond interchange at U.S. 30 and Flaugh Road in Allen County. The traffic signal at U.S. 30 and Kroemer Road is proposed to be removed and replaced with a median, allowing traffic to only turn right onto or off of U.S. 30. The O'Day Road intersection is recommended to be replaced with an overpass, removing access to U.S. 30. The Stahlhut Road intersection at U.S. 30 is proposed to be closed. To accommodate traffic changes to local roads, new roundabouts are recommended to be constructed at the intersections of California/Flaugh Road and California/Kroemer Road.

This project is independent from any recommendations that come from the Propel US 30 Study, as this area has been an area of concern since before the study began. The hearing is set for 5pm at Sweetwater (link in article, no paywall).
Transportation Engineer
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nwi_navigator_1181

Three major roundabouts are nearing completion in Northwest Indiana.

The first, scheduled to open near the end of the month, is at US 6 and US 421 just south of Westville. Major construction is all but complete; what remains are signage and striping. The intersection is still completely closed to traffic, with the detour utilizing Indiana 49, US 30, and Indiana 39 (which coincidentally is the same detour for US 6, closed for culvert work just east of Indiana 49).

Three of the four spokes of the Indiana 51/US 6/Cleveland Street are open to traffic; the west spoke (Indiana 51 leading to Downtown Hobart) is closed as crews finish the tie in. Work should be completed by mid-October. The official detour utilizes I-80/94, I-65, and US 30 (which may pose a problem this coming week...more later).

The third involves 61st Avenue and Marcella Boulevard, located just east of I-65. Only eastbound 61st Avenue traffic will be allowed to drive through the work zone; Marcella Boulevard traffic will only be able to access 61st Avenue Eastbound.

Westbound 61st Avenue traffic will be detoured via Indiana 51 southbound, 73rd Avenue westbound, and Broadway (Indiana 53) Northbound, with I-65 access being granted via 61st Avenue eastbound. The roundabout is set for early November completion.

Unrelated: next week, US 30 will undergo concrete restoration work at the I-65 interchange. Phase one will involve the eastbound lanes. Two lanes will be closed at a time, with work going round-the-clock during the weekdays, suspended during the weekends. To help mitigate traffic delays, the northbound I-65 ramp to US 30 will be closed during work. Drivers can either double back to US 30 via 61st Avenue and I-65 south, or preemptively exit to 109th Avenue and access US 30 via Broadway.

Work will shift to the westbound lanes afterward, with access to US 30 from I-65 southbound restricted. Local traffic can use 61st Avenue eastbound to Marcella Boulevard to get to US 30, while the official detour will require using the 109th Avenue dogbone interchange to "slingshot" back to US 30. Work should be done by the end of October.
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nwi_navigator_1181

Upthread, there was talk about work to convert the I-80/94 and Ripley Street interchange into a signalized parclo with bridge improvement work as part of the plan. Starting next week, prep work begins for this major project. Ripley Street will be reduced to one lane in each direction, with work starting on the inside lanes, followed by the outside lanes. While there may be shoulder restrictions on the actual ramps, no ramps will be closed during this work.

Work will run through mid-November and will suspend during winter. The project begins in earnest in the Spring of 2025, with all work set to complete at the end of 2026.

One minor correction regarding the US 30 work currently in progress at I-65: The exit to US 30 from BOTH directions are closed to traffic while crews patch the concrete on US 30. The detours I mentioned in the original post do still apply.
"Slower Traffic Keep Right" means just that.
You use turn signals. Every Time. Every Transition.

silverback1065

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on September 23, 2024, 06:53:29 PMUpthread, there was talk about work to convert the I-80/94 and Ripley Street interchange into a signalized parclo with bridge improvement work as part of the plan. Starting next week, prep work begins for this major project. Ripley Street will be reduced to one lane in each direction, with work starting on the inside lanes, followed by the outside lanes. While there may be shoulder restrictions on the actual ramps, no ramps will be closed during this work.

Work will run through mid-November and will suspend during winter. The project begins in earnest in the Spring of 2025, with all work set to complete at the end of 2026.

One minor correction regarding the US 30 work currently in progress at I-65: The exit to US 30 from BOTH directions are closed to traffic while crews patch the concrete on US 30. The detours I mentioned in the original post do still apply.

Can you post a link to more information on this project?  :hmmm:

seicer

Indianapolis shares plan to slow down Madison Avenue traffic, add south side bicycle path

Moments before Indianapolis city leaders spoke Monday to highlight $47 million in construction to slow down traffic and add a greenway path along Madison Avenue, first responders were still cleaning up debris from a nearby car crash on the six-lane south side thoroughfare.

[...]

Starting in spring 2025, the city will heed calls to fix the road that's outlived its use as a former expressway but still lures high-speed traffic and drag racing to the south side.
The city plans a Madison Avenue "road diet" to remove two lanes covering more than three miles of roadway from Ray Street, near Eli Lilly's corporate headquarters, down to Hanna Avenue, near the University of Indianapolis. The narrower four-lane roadway, in addition to new sidewalks and curbs, aims to calm traffic and improve pedestrian safety.

In the section closest to downtown, one lane will be replaced with the roughly 1.3-mile start of the new Interurban Trail, a greenway path which the city eventually plans to extend south more than eight miles to Johnson County. The trail's first section will be finished by 2026, officials say, but its expansion will depend on how soon more money is available."

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I was driving down Madison yesterday and wondered why it was excessively wide. Considering it handles a fraction of the traffic it used to have, these upgrades will improve the infrastructure. It's a shame that the depressed expressway north of Garfield Park will essentially remain.



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